Unbounded stupidity​ ​

[John Clark]

Recently on the right wing website Breitbart, moronic Trump supporter John Nolte revealed that even moronic Trump supporters know that other Trump supporters are morons. He said:

“I sincerely believe the organized left is doing everything in its power to convince Trump supporters NOT to get the life-saving Trump vaccine, They are putting unvaccinated Trump supporters in an impossible position where they can either NOT get a life-saving vaccine or CAN feel like cucks caving to the ugliest, smuggest bullies in the world.

In a country where elections are decided on razor-thin margins, does it not benefit one side if their opponents simply drop dead? If I wanted to use reverse psychology to convince people not to get a life-saving vaccination, I would do exactly what Howard Stern and the left are doing … I would bully and taunt and mock and ridicule you for not getting vaccinated, knowing the human response would be, "Hey, fuck you, I’m never getting vaccinated".

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[spudb...@aol.com]

It is curious for me, how libs howl about people not accepting the shots with themselves being protected. What virtue signaling to each other are the libs trying to sell themselves? If they are vaxed who are you trying to protect? Oh, I know! You don't wish to be last in line if you get a heart attack. Well in 2020 the Trump had the Javits Center in NY and the Hospital ship Hope waiting for Covid patients all the while, and Gov Cuomo and his money dealings with the Care Home businesses owners and campaign contributors send convalescents to the Care Homes, where they died, and were often infected. Maybe they were all trumpies eh?   

Golly JC. Are these people secret trumpies too? 

Poll: Black parents most hesitant about COVID-19 vaccines for kids

https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/09/29/covid19-vaccination-kids-hesitation-black-parents-poll/6531632936095/

UPI must be very trumpy to publish this...oh wait!

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[Brent Meeker]

People who have not been vaccinated adversely affect the rest of us in two ways.  First, they stress the health care system.  Just yesterday the LA Times ran a story about a woman whose husband died of a heart problem without being able to be put in an ICU because all the facilities were taken by covid patients who were not vaccinated.

Second, the more people the virus infects and the more it reproduces the more likely that a new variant will arise which circumvents the vaccinations we have.

And finally, that Trump once did something useful or someone else did something wrong or which turned out badly, doesn't make the stupid things done by Trump and his supporters any less stupid.  Whataboutism is not a good argument.

Brent

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Whataboudism is simply a way for some people to avoid comparing and contrasting. This is true be it particles at CERN, or public policy on health. A possible fix would be to expand vastly specialize Covid clinics. That is to say a return on the idea that Gov Cuomo avoided of setting many facilities for Covid care again. Yes, let's spend the money. Unlike JC I am all for spending cash on plague victims. Once identified as delta patients they get taken to large set ups. Unlike JC I totally am good with spending the cash or printing it on Mono Clonal Antibodies which seems to be the cure in many (not all) patients. I am willing to spend da' cash. 

It is way cheaper to have people vaxed.

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:58 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> If they are vaxed who are you trying to protect?

Smart vaccinated people are trying to protect themselves in two different ways:

1) When these terminally stupid unvaccinated Trump supporters discover that a horse deworming nostrum they took did not prevent them from getting deathly ill they will whine and demand that they receive the finest medical treatment money can buy, and thus clog up our hospital intensive care rooms leaving no room for anybody else, and make matters even worse they won't pay for that fine medical treatment, they will demand that smart vaccinated people pay for it in the form of higher taxes and insurance premiums. 

2) Filthy unhygienic Trump supporters are wonderful virus factories, even better than bats, and thus terrific breeding grounds for a COVID-19 mutation that is more virulent than the original and that can evade the vaccine.  

 > Gov Cuomo and his money dealings [blah blah blah] campaign contributors  [blah blah blah] Black parents [blah blah blah]

Yet more of spudboys100's patented irrelevancies in a desperate attempt to change the subject and distract from the fact that Trump supporters are as dumb as a bag of hammers.

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[Brent Meeker]

On 9/30/2021 2:27 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Whataboudism is simply a way for some people to avoid comparing and contrasting.

No it's not.  It's dishonest rhetorical tactic to divert attention from a valid argument to addressing some different question which even if answered would have no bearing on the original question.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

Well JC, consider this evolution in action. Your blessed democrats (now all elitists) will get to exterminate your enemies through your superior intellect alone which permits you to survive to breed young. Would this then be termed natural selection or are we past that phase?

Meanwhile, I literally stumbled across this shared advert by BLM on Twitter :-) It's from BLM.

As the saying goes, "politics makes strange bedfellows," John. 

"Pipes and chains and swinging hands, whose your daddy, yes I am!" 

~Cherry Pop'in Daddies Zoot Suit Riot

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[Brent Meeker]

It's not race if black and white people can get the same vaccine free.  The "discrimination" is black people harming themselves with no help from white people.

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 11:52 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 > I literally stumbled across this shared advert by BLM on Twitter :-) It's from BLM.

Unless you tripped over your cell phone you did not literally stumble over something on Twitter, you figuratively stumbled over it. And I wish you'd stop assuming that I'm going to defend every stupid thing a black person does, I have precisely zero sympathy for anybody who was laid off because they were too dumb to get vaccinated regardless of their color. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Your logic is true. Nevertheless, that aforementioned subset of voters is opposed to the vaccines and a plurality on Donny voters are vaccine subscribers. I am, as a Partisan, with a capital P, ask why Joe and the DNC is not personally speaking to his constituents who are Vaccine averse? This would have been the wisest course of action. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

My reason is that in all your past statements you have claimed that it is the beastial trumpy voters who are to blame for the rise of the delta, and probably for storms, and floods. This witch hunt is actively done via climate accusations aka witch hunts. On the vaccine resistance, it seems to not simply be a trumpy thing as you assert, but is obviously cross cultural and international. Halloween is nearing JC so in the spirit of the season please do continue your witch hunt, which is party line. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/2/2021 6:56 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
> a plurality on Donny voters are vaccine subscribers.

Hmmm.  There's only two choices: vaccinated and not-vaccinated.  So a
plurality is what??  A minority?

Maybe when JKC learns to decipher potato-speak he can explain it to me.

Brent

[spudb...@aol.com]

Typically, in political analysis a plurality means a slight majority. We should vaccinate, and get boosters and I just read 99+ % of the infections to  date is now delta. If you are a progressive you had better be addressing your brothers on why they won't get vaxed. Try talking to them. If your goal is merely to gin up a massive attack on white trumpies, (witch huntr) I would ponder that this practice will likely lead to things unpredicted. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/2/2021 7:34 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Typically, in political analysis a plurality means a slight majority.

I don't think plurality means what you think it means. 

We should vaccinate, and get boosters and I just read 99+ % of the infections to  date is now delta. If you are a progressive you had better be addressing your brothers on why they won't get vaxed. Try talking to them.

What makes you think they are vaxxed.  It's your white Trumpists that aren't vaccinated.

If your goal is merely to gin up a massive attack on white trumpies, (witch huntr) I would ponder that this practice will likely lead to things unpredicted.

I'm just waiting for covid to thin the herd.

Brent

[Lawrence Crowell]

The t'Rump cult is a case of where insanity meets stupidity galvanized around a popular guru. Most of these people are short bus people, and we have one or two here, and many are mentally delusional and mad. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Thinning the herd is something that can be done by self selection as you have indicated (Would Darwin have agreed with this statement?). Herd immunity and its efficacy is a side topic that I would rely on the biologists to determine, if it is true or not? Side topic-comment follows.

What I am forced to notice is that why we see if Covid does its job, to your benefit, the current administration seems really good at inducing Black Swans that cause things to it's detriment via policy driven by ideology. But duly noted, this is another topic. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Merely dismissive and inaccurate. It does take the pressure off the amygdala and shows one another, solidarity. 

For myself, I will typically chose cause and effect. Or, what's the pay out? 

For the academically inclined, being a progressive means never problem solving, but rather, holding to the ideology, which is sacred. Or ,as one of the DNC doyen spoke, "Never let a good crisis go to waste." -Rahm Emanuel. Obama spokesman, and failed Chicago mayor.

I am suspecting, that as things start to degrade from a middle class pov, many people will desert the democrats for survival reasons, which at least seems understandable.  This is just my guess of course. 

Be well, Get the vax booster, all!

Spud, the Proconsul ape, denizen of the Miocene.

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[John Clark]

On Sun, Oct 3, 2021 at 1:52 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> What I am forced to notice is that why we see if Covid does its job, to your benefit, the current administration seems really good at inducing Black Swans that cause things to it's detriment via policy driven by ideology.

I don't speak the Spudboy100 language and I lost my Spudboy to English dictionary so I am unable to parse that sentence.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Not a problem JC. Allow me. Here is the simplest definition for a Black Swan event, plural, Black Swans.

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/black-swan

The main originator of this term is Nassim Nicolas Taleb, economist. Here is a 2007 book excerpt from the NYT.

https://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/22/books/chapters/0422-1st-tale.html

Here is a Youtube video about Comrade Xi, the premier of the Chinese Communist Party, being played with by his rivals in the CCP from the South China, who have seen China experience Black Swan events over the last 2 years, with flooding, aggressor foreign policy backfiring, quakes. His rivals on Tiananmen Square day Sept 7, planted a literal black swan at the site in from of visitors and news people. Mind games and such. In China, the work of Nassim Nicolas Taleb is well known, thus, the public shaming. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Xrlx_2NB30

Thus, I am thinking that because Joe and company think ideologically, they will in this fashion induce multiple black swans, aka troubles. 

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[John Clark]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 3:28 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

Not a problem JC. Allow me. Here is the simplest definition for a Black Swan event,

 

https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/black-swan

The main originator of this term is Nassim Nicolas Taleb, economist. Here is a 2007 book 

I know perfectly well what a Black Swan Event means, probably better than you do because I read Taleb's Book as soon as it came out, but I still can't parse that cryptic sentence of yours that starts "What I am forced to notice is that why we see if Covid does its job, to your benefit, the current administration seems [blah blah]

> Here is a Youtube video about Comrade Xi, the premier of the Chinese Communist Party

How nice for you, but I really don't need yet another Spudboy irrelevant link. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Funny, I read Taleb's book as well. Small world. I mean 't in the previous post that when those terrible nazi Trump voters refuse the shots, according to Team Dem, they will perish from this earth. Thus, if its what you are good with, and it is, then it will assure your claim and hold on power, Mr. Dem. How is this a loss for you? They die off, progressives rule and you are made happy. I mean the death rates must have smoked a bunch of us off already, and if you need help at your nearest emergency room, your table is waiting. 

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[Brent Meeker]

On 10/4/2021 4:51 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:

Funny, I read Taleb's book as well. Small world. I mean 't in the previous post that when those terrible nazi Trump voters refuse the shots, according to Team Dem, they will perish from this earth. Thus, if its what you are good with, and it is, then it will assure your claim and hold on power, Mr. Dem. How is this a loss for you?

It's been explained to you at least three times:

(1) We have family and friends that can't take the vaccine (too young, immune system problems...) and so need to rely on herd immunity.

(2) All you unvaccinated yahoos are just a big incubator for more variants of covid, one of which may prove resistant to the vaccine. 

(3) The unvaccinated Trumpists are taking up hospital beds, staff, and ICU's which leaves other people unable to get emergency and elective care.

Why don't you try printing this out and keeping it in your wallet so when you're temped to repeat your BS for a fourth time you can take it out and read it and you'll know how it's a loss for the smarter part of humanity.

Brent

[John Clark]

On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:51 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

 > I mean 't in the previous post that when those terrible nazi Trump voters refuse the shots, according to Team Dem, they will perish from this earth.

Not will, have.  Hundreds of thousands of terrible nazi Trump voters have already died from advanced stupidity although the numbers have been coming down during the last week, only 677 imbeciles died yesterday, 5 days ago it was 1,986.

 

> Thus, if its what you are good with, and it is, then it will assure your claim and hold on power, Mr. Dem. How is this a loss for you?

For Darwin's sake! Debating with you is like arguing with a three year old child. I've already explained at least twice why it's a bad thing, even for smart vaccinated people, for the epidemic to rage through unvaccinated stupid people, and Brent has also tried to explain it to you; but you don't dispute any of the points we raised or even give an indication that you've read the answers we provided, instead you just keep repeating the exact same idiotic question like a parrot over and over again. 

And you call me "Mr.Dem" but as I've said before, for most of my life I was a registered Republican, the party of Lincoln, it was only when the lunatic fringe of the Republican party became the only part of the Republican party that I gave up on them. Lincoln must be spinning in his grave at a very high rpm.

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[spudb...@aol.com]

You mentioned Dawkins and I have long been a Dawkins reader. Now I ask if you have read this philosopher's works, and if you have read this book, because I have? 

https://www.amazon.com/Believing-Dawkins-New-Spiritual-Atheism/dp/3030430510

I am looking at your life philosophy, and if memory serves, I remember you have declared yourself to be a supporter of cryonics, so much so, that you will preserve said remains. Has it ever occurred to you that the most dislocating things for a stable society to perfect cryonics, are the progressives that you support?  I could see a later generation of progressives shutting down the preservation process because it is racist.

I keep repeating myself to your eyes, because I have seen no sweepingly, convincing, arguments from yourself to change my view. I too, am evidential. I simply, massively, am opposed to forcibly, vaccinating the people you despise. I am opposed, to death camps, and gulags to disappear my opponents. I am in no way able to claim for myself either, for righteousness or self righteousness, because I have no reason to claim as such. But, I am still opposed to totalitarianism, be it nazi, commie, islamist, or Spudist. 

Points:

1. To achieve your long term goal, you will need a stable society, and that ain't the progressives.

2. I am simply opposed to forced vaccinations to guarantee easy access to ER's. 

    Yes, I could change my mind. 

3. If you like Dawkin's you will possibly like the academic philosopher's work I linked to on Amazon.

    *Eric Steinhardt.

Addendum+

4. For scientifically inclined people we seem unwilling to go for this Task. Problem Solving. This could be societal problems, economic problems, climate problems, energy problems Plus, whatever else?

5. On The Donald, I cannot even persuade beloved family members on him. It's always an emotional reaction. I need to see specific policy problems on his governance from 2017-2020?

Addendum+1. No, Nothing has persuaded me YET that January 6th, 2021 was a threat to the Constitution, a well thought plan for dictator for life, or even a Bumbled Plan for dictator for life. I could be persuaded by from your point of view, my responses will just aggravate you, and in any case, I am just a SERF. Nothing special, nobody power, and nobody greatly Monied $.  Essential!

Let us skip this issue for now. 

On the plague, it is irrational to cavil against either Vaccinations OR treatments. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Brent, kindly remember from an epidemiological basis, to rid ourselves finally from Covid and all its strains we are going to have to vaccinate everyone on earth. This from a vax standpoint comes from not the public health experts, but also from my brother in law, a Biden voter, who informed me of this and I corroborated online, and agree with. 

Lets not argue the point in this thread, but we now have open borders, which is a political and ideological contention. It is also, a rapid means also of infection. If you wish to spend US tax payer dollars on such a global approach, I will will say yes, yes yes!  I am just opposed to using this plague in a dictatorial manner, and am suspicious, and paranoid that it is being used as an excuse for dictatorial goals. Call it my bad. 

A related feature of this, whoever you voted for or against, keep your eye on the economy. 

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 4:40 PM spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> from an epidemiological basis, to rid ourselves finally from Covid and all its strains we are going to have to vaccinate everyone on earth.

Not everyone, if 95% were vaccinated the disease would have a very difficult time spreading. And we drove the smallpox vaccine into extension and have nearly done the same with polio.  

> we now have open borders

That is not only Bullshit it's irrelevant Bullshit. Open borders has nothing to do with our current COVID-19 epidemic, and if we have open borders why are all those Haitians stuck at the border, and why did did we set such a mountain of confusing red tape in front of our Afghanistan translators that they were unable to enter the country?

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[John Clark]

Make that "drove the smallpox virus into extinction". 

[Brent Meeker]

No.  We eliminated smallpox without vaccinating everyone on Earth.  Unfortunately we can't do that with covid because it exists in some animals (as does ebola).  But that's still a stupid argument against someone getting the vaccine.  It's like saying that even with seatbelts people will get killed in car accidents, therefore it's reasonable to refuse to wear seatbelts, because...Freedumb!

Brent

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Let me simply address that later portion of your epistle. It is not bullshit because when the people who come to work in the US and get thru Biden's open border, that have the capability to spread delta to to the general populace who are unvaccinated. You and I are not included in the group that is under threat from this, because we like vaccinations. For the unvaccinated it is different. 

Answer using science if not logic on "how" open borders that let people in who are unvaccinated not accurate? I don't care about charges of racism, I am looking for accuracy here, feelings aside.

How are unvaccinated poor people not a venue for infection? Is there something magical about them? Have they developed herd immunity and won't speak about it? 

This was Joe Biden's decision from 2 months ago, this is the VOA, how was Joe Biden wrong?

https://www.voanews.com/a/usa_us-extends-restrictions-travel-canada-and-mexico/6209811.html

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[spudb...@aol.com]

I encourage getting the vaccine and yet I do wonder if some people are vulnerable to its use?
This is from today and it is not the Moderna or the Pfizer vaccine. 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Washington-woman-dies-from-rare-J-J-vaccine-16511225.php

If there was some test that could quickly identify those at risk from a vaccination, it would help to round up 99% of the vaccine averse. Baring such a development, people don't trust the government, as it is now constituted, and I don't simply mean Joe + Kamala. 

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[Stathis Papaioannou]

On Wed, 6 Oct 2021 at 12:37, spudboy100 via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

I encourage getting the vaccine and yet I do wonder if some people are vulnerable to its use?
This is from today and it is not the Moderna or the Pfizer vaccine. 

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Washington-woman-dies-from-rare-J-J-vaccine-16511225.php

If there was some test that could quickly identify those at risk from a vaccination, it would help to round up 99% of the vaccine averse. Baring such a development, people don't trust the government, as it is now constituted, and I don't simply mean Joe + Kamala. 

You are being extremely generous to the vaccine averse if you think 99% of them are rational. Also, a screening test for a one in a million condition would likely have a false positive and false negative rate far in excess of one in a million, making it useless.

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[John Clark]

On Tue, Oct 5, 2021 at 9:16 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> It is not bullshit because when the people who come to work in the US and get thru Biden's open border [...]

Perhaps the problem here is that English is obviously not your native language and I've lost my Spudboy to English dictionary, so please tell me how to translate the words  "open border"  from your strange exotic language into English. In your language would you say that every country on Earth except for North Korea has an "open border"? 

> that have the capability to spread delta to to the general populace who are unvaccinated.

If somebody from a foreign country moves to the USA they are far more likely to dilute the percentage of the population that has COVID-19 not increase it, because from March 2020 the highest concentration of the virus on planet Earth was in the good old USA, and during the Trump administration the highest concentration of the virus in the USA was on the 18 acres surrounding the White House. Today the USA is the filthiest, most unhygienic place on the planet, and the place where that uncleanliness is most likely to kill you. So Americans don't need to worry about Mexicans entering their country, but Mexicans need to worry about Americans entering their country.

> who are unvaccinated.

The unvaccinated are primarily native born Trump voters, so from a purely health perspective it would make more sense to deport them to Mexico rather than keep native born Mexicans out of the country.

> How are unvaccinated poor people not a venue for infection?

They are a venue for infection, but being poor is not the same as being stupid, and there is an easy cheap cure for being unvaccinated. But unfortunately for Trump voters there is no easy cheap way to cure the affliction of stupidity.  

  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

You are likely correct in my characterization of the vaccine-afraid. But even when politics or science is written of here, Stathis, it

is over ruled by ideology. If it turns out next year in the news that there is a mortality rate associated with the major vaccines, who gets to avoid responsibility? Big Pharma? Their paid politicians, news propagandists who discarded medical reports that John doesn't want to hear about because it offends his sensibilities?  

For me, I am grateful for the results from the vaccines, but if you want the earth's population inoculated, which has been stated before, then developing better vaccines, treatments, and testing for adverse reactions needs to be in the cards. False positives or no. We can push for no testing for this, which is how things are at the minute, or work on something reliable. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

They are human, they are unvaccinated, they are let in by your party, thus, there is have non-zero certainty, that some possessed the delta and spread it to the unvaccinated. Now, you can say, are these people the main avenue for infections of Americans? If you can show me an epidemiological study indicating that all of the Delta was brought in via plane travel, I would give this credence. Please make your citation a recent study in the last 120 days an not something from 2020, if you please?

Having searched a bit yesterday, the only thing I saw was opinion that showed me that public health and academics simply never bothered to examine this issue as medical science. I thus concur that these people simply avoid the question because they don't want to be accused of racism, or have their careers disrupted, See? No testing mean No Numbers and No Numbers simply gives us opinion. 

This is from the US Citizen and Immigration Services. Their manual.

https://www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-8-part-b-chapter-9

Now here is coverage on the Biden Teams actual practice regard undocumented immigrants. 

https://nypost.com/2021/09/10/biden-wont-order-illegal-immigrants-to-get-covid-vaccine/

Now is this a central issue for me? Nada. It is a side venue,  and I rank it alongside your fury against Trump voters, vaccinated and unvaccinated. We need more vaccinations, we need better treatments, and better tests on both Covid and any biomedical reaction to the treatments & vaccines. 

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 12:56 AM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> They are human, they are unvaccinated, they are let in by your party, thus, there is have non-zero certainty, that some possessed the delta

and spread it to the unvaccinated

Yes, but there is an absolute CERTAINTY that millions of imbeciles supported by your party DO have the Delta virus, and they spread it to other unvaccinated imbeciles that are also of your party, and also to children who are not imbeciles, and not vaccinated, and not members of your party.

> If you can show me an epidemiological study indicating that all of the Delta was brought in via plane travel, I would give this credence. [...] the only thing I saw was opinion that showed me that public health and academics simply never bothered to examine this issue as medical science.

Of course they didn't, scientist are not idiots and they know  it's impossible to prove something like that, you can never prove 100% of X came from Y, and it wouldn't make any difference even if they could because it's a fact that the Delta variation very quickly spread to every nation on Earth, I'm sure it's even in North Korea although naturally they'll never admit it. So I'll be damned if I see what your point is.  

> Now is this a central issue for me? Nada.

I should damn well hope not!!

>We need more vaccinations,

A keen grasp of the obvious.

> we need better treatments

Yeah, because the world just doesn't have enough imbeciles, we can't afford to lose a single one.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

What about the other imbeciles around the world that have constantly protests against 'vaccine passports'? I did two days ago present you with a news item confirming the Johnson & Johnson vaccine killed some women. Does this not, as a science affirming person, not give you even a bit of pause? Is it not science to identify avenues of infection and close these off, whether it is anti-vax people, or new immigrants in seek of work and such? There surely are other means of infection that I have not mentioned, but if you locate such a avenue of contact, please share. 

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[John Clark]

On Thu, Oct 7, 2021 at 3:10 PM <spudb...@aol.com> wrote:

> What about the other imbeciles around the world that have constantly protests against 'vaccine passports'?

I don't know, you tell me. What about the fact that some non-Trump voters are almost as stupid as Trump voters? And as far as vaccine passports are concerned I'm all in favor of them, and yes that does put them in the category of second class citizens, but that's fine with me, I think such scum should indeed be treated as second class citizens because they have definitively demonstrated that these people are quite literally filthy, unhygienic and dangerous second class human beings.

 

> I did two days ago present you with a news item confirming the Johnson & Johnson vaccine killed some women. Does this not, as a science affirming person, not give you even a bit of pause?

No it does not! If that report turns out to be true then 1 shot out of 6.33 billion turned out to be lethal; 1 person died from taking the vaccine, but as of today at 18:33 GMT 4,845,037 died from NOT taking the vaccine. No matter how hard you try to spin it there is just no way to ignore the reality that the 200,000+ Americans who died AFTER the vaccine became widely available did so because they were brain dead dumb. And most of them were Trump voters. 

> Is it not science to identify avenues of infection and close these off

Indeed it is, and we know exactly what the avenue of infection is, but these mentally challenged Trump voters won't even wear a facemask in a closed aluminum tube flying at 600 miles an hour at 40,000 feet, much less get vaccinated like a civilized human being. 

 

> There surely are other means of infection that I have not mentioned,

The only source of infection worth talking about is filthy unhygienic human beings, and most of them are Trump voters.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Thoughts JC. 
1. Those aluminum tubes called airplanes do possess Hepa filters, if I recall correctly? This resulting in this study.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/covid-19-transmission-risk-less-than-01-on-flights-according-to-recent-study/6QG7YFBYK62SQK4GFZSGTUIFU4/

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02669-2

2. I am not confident how your campaign against the crackers (and others!) who are not persuaded by your kind words will fare?

Meanwhile, here is a Business Insider article on Covid treatments. This, to cheer you all up.

https://www.businessinsider.com/promising-covid-treatments-pills-nasal-sprays-2021-10

Sincerely, 

Spud, the incredible Anthro Porcines Gigantica Innoculatus

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