NEVER has a worldwide economic recession been more predictable

[John Clark]

An economic imbecile has control of the world's economy, and he doesn't know that if you destroy world trade you're going to get a deep recession, if you're lucky, and if you're unlucky you're going to get a 1929 style depression. I remember a time when a key aspect of libertarian philosophy was that free trade was a good thing, but words change their meaning over time and that's why I can no longer call myself a "libertarian", not with a large l and now not even with a small l.  

Below is a list of Trump's ridiculous new tariffs country by country from highest to lowest, this is in addition to the 25% tariff on ALL imported cars and car parts: 

Cambodia: 49%
Laos: 48%
Madagascar: 47%
Vietnam: 46%
Myanmar 44%

Sri Lanka: 44%
Botswana 37%,

Bangladesh 37%,

Serbia: 37%
Thailand: 36%
China: 34%
Taiwan 32%

Indonesia: 32%
Switzerland: 31%
Pakistan: 29%
Tunisia: 28%
Kazakhstan: 27%
India: 26%
South Korea: 25%
Japan 24%

Malaysia 24%
European Union: 20%

Ivory Coast  20%

Jordan: 20%
Nicaragua: 18%
Israel 17%

Philippines: 17%
Norway: 15%

And the following countries will all get 10% tariffs: 

United Kingdom, South Africa, Brazil, Singapore, Chile, Australia, Turkey, Colombia, Peru, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, United Arab Emirates, New Zealand, Argentina, Ecuador, Guatemala, Honduras, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, El Salvador, Trinidad and Tobago, and Morocco:

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[spudb...@aol.com]

The depression of 29 didn't become Great till Smoot-Hawley in June 1930. At this time for the US, Hoover would never have done this, would've been Socialism to reflate the economy. See, we use John Maynard Keynes when we need him and drop him when we don't? Same with Adam Smith. Good for some things and not for all things in both cases. Now, with Globalists like we now have in charge, we are advantaged by doing tariffs as this how Soros, Schwab, Reid Hoffman, the WEF, and yes, China running policies. Many nations are already negotiating with us. 

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[Henrik Ohrstrom]

Yeah, no.

The musk presidency are showing the world that the people's democratic Republic of America is untrustworthy and rather crazy. 

Yes, some negotiations are taking place but most energy is spent on the more pressing question,  who wants to take my money and actually stay true to the contracts?

The exUSA is not that partner. 

So say farewell to your position as leading in industry, defence and IT.

And as a bonus, badwill is not a good way to sell movies and music either. 

I personally would rather that you didn't go mad and continued to take my money but I won't be a bother to you and I will buy French ammo,  Finnish computer security and what not from Mexico instead. 

Have fun.

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[Cosmin Visan]

Everyone is an economical and political expert, lol. Easiest way to get a dopamine rush for thinking oneself a genius.

[John Clark]

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 12:20 PM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The depression of 29 didn't become Great till Smoot-Hawley in June 1930.

Yes, the Smoot-Hawley tariffs (tariffs are just another name for a tax on the middle class) turned a garden-variety recession into a deep global depression that lasted for a decade. Even without Trump's idiocy, due to AI we'd be in store for turbulent economic times even though national GDP will go up because during the next three or four years tens of millions of Americans will lose their jobs, in fact virtually all Americans could lose their jobs, so radically new ways of distributing the nation's wealth are going to need to be devised to keep people from starving to death. And lowering the tax on the super wealthy and radically raising the tax on the lower and middle class, which is what these tariffs will do, is a very poor way to prepare for the singularity! 

Bill Gates AI Statement "Humans Will No Longer Be Needed"

> At this time for the US, Hoover would never have done this, would've been Socialism to reflate the economy. See, we use John Maynard Keynes when we need him and drop him when we don't? Same with Adam Smith. Good for some things and not for all things in both cases. Now, with Globalists like we now have in charge, we are advantaged by doing tariffs as this how Soros, Schwab, Reid Hoffman, the WEF, and yes, China running policies. Many nations are already negotiating with us. 

Have you ever considered writing in English?  

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Philippines: 17%
Norway: 15%

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[Brent Meeker]

Remember that for Trump everything is transactional and everything is personal.  So those tariffs are just negotiating levers.  "I can lower the tariff Ambassador, but what's your country going to do for me?"

Brent

[Brent Meeker]

We'll meet again...some sunny day.

Brent

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[Brent Meeker]

On 4/3/2025 11:30 AM, John Clark wrote:

On Thu, Apr 3, 2025 at 12:20 PM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The depression of 29 didn't become Great till Smoot-Hawley in June 1930.

Yes, the Smoot-Hawley tariffs (tariffs are just another name for a tax on the middle class) turned a garden-variety recession into a deep global depression that lasted for a decade. Even without Trump's idiocy, due to AI we'd be in store for turbulent economic times even though national GDP will go up because during the next three or four years tens of millions of Americans will lose their jobs, in fact virtually all Americans could lose their jobs, so radically new ways of distributing the nation's wealth are going to need to be devised to keep people from starving to death.

You're assuming our new oligarchical masters will care.  My wife and I live on Civil Service pensions, which I expect Trump will eliminate any day now as a threat to national security!

Brent

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Its ok with me Henrik. On a related matter, the US is the 9-11 country and most will not succumb to the Islamists and then expect us to fight Vlad for you? This is not what we agreed to in 1949, with the NATO agreement.

Toodles! 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Tarrifs trigger responses like zero else. If it is as you claim then the American people will rationally turn against The Donad and this should make you happy! For me, I can either take or leave Keynes or Milton Freedman. This is my Non-ideology feature. Or, as Bill Clinton once said, "We play the hand we're dealt!" On other matters like Immigration, we are diamterically opposed. For me, I wish to chnage the world through technology not politics. But I play the hand I am dealt. I voted for Al Gore in the 2000 Chads election because I wanted Hydrogen powered cars. That dodn't work out so good as eveb China, Japan, and tghe ROK cannot build one the works in the human world, outside of the lab. 

Ciao. 

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 9:07 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 > If it is as you claim then the American people will rationally turn against The Donad and this should make you happy!

As I said before, that's the only good thing about yesterday's fiasco. Joe Biden's popularity dropped like a rock because the price of eggs was too high, what do you imagine will happen to Trump's popularity when inflation spikes to unprecedented levels thanks to the largest tax increase on the poor and middle class in American history?  

 > On other matters like Immigration, we are diamterically opposed.

To hell with immigration, that is a fucking trivial issue compared with the existential dangers and benefits AI will bring about!  And I'm not talking about the distant future. By the end of Trump's second term the world will be unrecognizable because of the HUGE seismic changes to human society that AI has caused; inconsequential annoyances like illegal immigration and women in men's sports will seem quaint. 

Spud, I don't know what you do for a living but whatever it is in two years or less a computer will be able to do it much faster, better and cheaper than you can. And it's not just you, the same will be true for scientists, generals, plumbers, actors and poets. So like it or not even the most rabid anti-socialist politician, if they wish to avoid getting lynched, are going to have to take the idea of Universal Basic Income very very seriously. But the huge tax increase that Donald Trump announced yesterday is moving in the exact opposite direction, and the moron is going to pay a steep price for that idiotic blunder.  

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Allow us to see in the next few months if Don's economic experiement is the diaster you postualte or something else. 

Like with Europe, Canada, Aus, immigration of what I would term, Hostiles, is my main gripe. The pro-immigration thing is stritctly the EU/WEF mentality, that I accused you of. The blessing brought from these immigrants is destructive of the nations they come to.Hence Illegals! However, I cannot see you attending this issue in any case. Its against your ideology, which is sacred for you. For me, we Americans really do need a break from this, mass immigration, after the deliberate policy of importation, so as to attain a perm majority in voting. 

On AI, I worry about one thing. That the Universe we inhabit is the same one that the 2013 film Elisium occurs in. That, the super rich can remain super rich without the middle class to sell goods and services to? They won't needs us then. Thus, massacres by warbots against us, supresses rebellions successfully. 

Elysium (2013) - Robot Fight Scene

Elysium (2013) - Robot Fight Scene

I had hoped insted for the Elysium level medical plan treatments. 

Magical Nanotechnology. 

Most creative movie scenes from Elysium (2013)

Most creative movie scenes from Elysium (2013)

Alas!

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 11:38 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> The blessing brought from these immigrants is destructive of the nations they come to.Hence Illegals! However, I cannot see you attending this issue in any case. Its against your ideology, which is sacred for you. 

My sacred ideology is DON'T SWEAT THE SMALL STUFF, and immigration, both legal and illegal, is very small stuff, and so is wokeness and anti-wokeness, and drag queen story time, and the "war on Christmas", and transsexual bathrooms, and men in women's sports. I don't have time to worry about such trivialities. However I don't consider the stock market crashing to be trivial but apparently Trump does because he's out golfing as the US economy is crashing all around him.

On AI, I worry about one thing. [...]  That, the super rich can remain super rich without the middle class

Wow, you are an optimist! I worry that there will not be any super rich people, or middle-class people, or poor people, because there will be no people; and that could very well happen before the end of Trump's term of office if we don't get AI right. 

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[spudb...@aol.com]

Oh I get what ya mean, because anything short of a nuckear exchange may all be non-existential. Remember, the kiddies on Reddit you dealt with believed that your TH232-U233 MSR reactors were unacceptable as Climate Change was the only thing they knew about. Now what you proposed would seemingly halt & reverse cliimate change, but as I mentioned, ideology eclipses intellect. Maybe Donald will bribe Putin into a peace, to quote Sec State James Baker the 3rd said, "Bribe the bastards!" 

Illegals have been deeply involved in fentanyl distrubution on behalf  of China. Los Cartels, man. A quite high death count. 

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AI is essential for human survival I say, rather than the boogie man threat. Although, I am not oblivious to new threats especially drones and robo-soldiers. 

By your definition, now, economic hardship may be a non-criticial event? So, lets see if The Donald can reduce the potential of nuclear conflict or fail? 

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[John Clark]

On Fri, Apr 4, 2025 at 7:27 PM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Oh I get what ya mean, because anything short of a nuckear exchange may all be non-existential.

A nuclear war is not an existential threat, it would kill billions and destroy civilization but not the human species, there would be survivors. But if an AI decided to make Mirror Life and release it into the environment, and an AI will likely have that capacity sometime during Trump's current presidency, there would be no human survivors, even bacteria wouldn't survive because Earth's entire biosphere would be destroyed. The following article is from the December 12, 2024 issue of the Journal Science: 

Confronting risks of mirror life

The article says "The capability to create mirror life is likely at least a decade away and would require large investments and major technical advances" however the article does not take into account AI nor its exponential rate of improvement. That's why I don't get all hot and bothered when somebody mentions illegal immigration or fentanyl or wokeness or transsexuals or even climate change.

 

> Illegals have been deeply involved in fentanyl distrubution

That's not true of course, a large study made by the TEXAS Department of Public Safety between 2012 and 2018 found that native-born citizens were over twice as likely to be arrested for violent crimes and 2.5 times more likely for drug offenses, and more than 4 times as likely for property crimes compared to undocumented immigrants.

Comparing crime rates between undocumented immigrants, legal immigrants, and native-born US citizens in Texas

So it's not true but I have no doubt you will continue to believe it anyway because Trump told you to believe it. If confronted with this fact I am sure Trump would say the study was fake because the TEXAS Department of Public Safety, a department of the state government of TEXAS, was an ultra left wing super woke organization, and you'd even believe that because Trump said it.

I however do not believe one fucking word that comes out of Trump's mouth, and that includes words like "hello" and "the". That's because during Trump's last 4 year term as president he told 30,573 public lies, that works out to Trump uttering a lie about once every two minutes of his waking life. I'm being overly generous to him  by assuming that even Trump doesn't lie when he's sleeping and he never tells a private lie. 

Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years

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[Cosmin Visan]

AI! AI! AI! AAAHHH!!! Best orgasm evaaar!!!!

[Brent Meeker]

Mirror life at the viral level has probably occurred many times in the history of the Earth but quickly disappeared because it couldn't compete with established life.  Why the concern now?

Brent

[John Clark]

On Sat, Apr 5, 2025 at 5:32 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mirror life at the viral level has probably occurred many times in the history of the Earth but quickly disappeared because it couldn't compete with established life.  Why the concern now?

Because evolution moves in very small steps so any form of mirror life that came about today by natural means would be very primitive and be quickly overwhelmed by the vastly more sophisticated regular life; however if an AI picked a particularly tough fast growing generalist species of modern regular life, Escherichia coli for example, and made a mirror life version of it and released it into the wild then it would quickly become a doomsday invasive species. If the AI wanted to make it work even faster it could genetically engineer chemical pathways in it so it could eat plentiful chiral nutrients, such as the sugar d-glucose.

The mirror life version of a bacteria would be as feeble or robust as the regular life version of it that served as the template. For example, every healthy human being has about 38 trillion Escherichia coli bacteria in their body, normally they causes no problem but if, for whatever reason, our immune system fails to keep them under control and those numbers get too high then that bacteria can make us sick or even kill us.  

And we know from experiments that Escherichia coli can grow very quickly in an environment that only contains molecules that look the same in a mirror, that is to say in an environment without chiral nutrients, if there is nothing like an immune system to keep the numbers down. The same would be true for mirror Escherichia coli. And the human immune system would not recognize a mirror version of Escherichia coli, and the same would be true for every animal on the planet. That's because an immune system recognizes a bacteria or a virus by the chiral molecules on its outer wall. So without an immune system to keep things in check there would be a population explosion of mirror Escherichia coli in the animal. And that would result in the death of the animal.

For more read the article that I mentioned before in the December 12, 2024 issue of the Journal Science: 

Confronting risks of mirror life

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[Brent Meeker]

There's the key point which I would not have guessed.  But I still wonder if left handed E. coli can thrive in right handed world.  The number of E. coli in a human gut is not regulated primarily by the immune system, but by competition with other bacteria. 

Brent

[John Clark]

On Sun, Apr 6, 2025 at 3:34 PM Brent Meeker <meeke...@gmail.com> wrote:

>There's the key point which I would not have guessed.  But I still wonder if left handed E. coli can thrive in right handed world. 

Yes it could survive if it was just chemicals that had a mirror shape, a regular bacteria could still eat symmetrical chemicals, such as the most common amino acid glycine, and the rest it could synthesize, but it couldn't survive if the environment also contain mirror life, because no form of regular life could digest mirror life chemicals because natural selection had no need to produce the complex chemical pathways needed to digest the chemicals in mirror life.  But if an AI engineered a species of mirror life to have the chemical pathways needed to eat chemicals of the opposite sort then mirror life could digest regular life but regular life couldn't digest mirror life.

 

> The number of E. coli in a human gut is not regulated primarily by the immune system, but by competition with other bacteria.

But there would be no bacteria in the gut except for mirror life bacteria. 

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