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John Clark
May 4, 2025, 7:56:00 AM5/4/25
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Donald Trump posted this picture on his truth social account without comment, but then he really didn't need to comment because the picture told us everything we need to know about where his mindset is.
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May 4, 2025, 8:18:04 AM5/4/25
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Because he knew it woulds piss you and yours off JC.
You know the old saying, Fuck em if they can't take a joke.
You get to zing, and he his team gets to zing back.
Like the sign in the bars of the 19th century displayed,
"This ain't no Sunday school."
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May 4, 2025, 3:14:35 PM5/4/25
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Here is why neither Trump, Spudmitch, forearm etc. lack qualities that British people traditionally value and why they perhaps never will acquire them, no matter how hard they try to fake them. Regardless even of how much they win.
On this point, I agree with the viral post making the rounds and don't care about authenticity.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
"“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?”
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.
Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.
Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.
There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."
So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.
This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.
And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set."
Class doesn't imply "being rich". As Trump and Musk demonstrate, you can be classless while wealthy and vice versa. If you have some measure of it, you're core is untouched by the multiverse: I can criticize the inefficiency of democracy, the elitism of progressive forces around the world, their corruption through special interests, their failure to genuinely expand freedoms, to confuse their expansion with the overreach of schooling people on their morality and be politically active against those tendencies (instead of merely whining online). But I can - at the same time - point towards a key trait of authoritarianism: the loss of the ability to distinguish what's funny from what is political ideology.
E.g. I can joke "against my Team" as Spudmitch would describe it: “I recycle religiously, feel guilty for owning a gas stove, and spend more time researching oat milk brands than calling my own mother.” or "To stay up on long drives, I listen to Trump speeches." I'm saying "you have to find this funny" but it could be funny because it’s rooted in truth—it gently mocks genuine tendencies, and the audience laughs not just at others, but with themselves. There's vulnerability in humor, and it invites connection rather than masking an agenda. The joke lands even for conservatives because it’s not loaded with contempt. It doesn't seek to harm or dominate. Because fun doesn't need to "score points for a team".
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May 4, 2025, 4:21:50 PM5/4/25
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Yeah, celibacy isn't a problem at his age.
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May 4, 2025, 4:23:07 PM5/4/25
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Actually, yes he is bombastic, and puts that in the process with negotiations. Sometimes it even works! At the end of the day, its not personality that we serfs live and die upon, but rather public policies. I hold that the Starmer-Soros-Schwab-WEF-Macon-Obama- policies have worked very, aggressively badly. In real life, planet earth. Just as Britons tend to think differently than yanks, Comrade Xi, Putin, and the Ayatollahs think differently than both of us. For pragmatic reasons, I'd have sided with the previous boys IF these were good for the middle class. Sadly they weren't.
So, for most of us, its substance over style. One can be extremely charming as all UK PM's ever is, but either accomplish zero (not the worst option) or force things to go sideways. For me, to quote the late, humor writer PJ O'Rourke, "I'm an American, I want to solve problems with technology, not politics." An imaginary example of this might be 3D printing. If we could print all we needed via 3D printing (Or nanotech), then the disparities supposedly provided by socialislm, would never be needed. Because, if we print all we need, cheap, who needs a government?
Also, because I never miss an opportunity to promote technology as useful to us primates, I will end this convo with today's vid by physicist Sabine Hossenfelder regarding a somewhat improved hypothesis on why black holes are suitable for quantum computing. Older idea, new take.
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PGC
May 5, 2025, 12:18:29 PM5/5/25
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Actually, yes he is bombastic, and puts that in the process with negotiations. Sometimes it even works! At the end of the day, its not personality that we serfs live and die upon, but rather public policies. I hold that the Starmer-Soros-Schwab-WEF-Macon-Obama- policies have worked very, aggressively badly. In real life, planet earth. Just as Britons tend to think differently than yanks, Comrade Xi, Putin, and the Ayatollahs think differently than both of us. For pragmatic reasons, I'd have sided with the previous boys IF these were good for the middle class. Sadly they weren't.So, for most of us, its substance over style. One can be extremely charming as all UK PM's ever is, but either accomplish zero (not the worst option) or force things to go sideways. For me, to quote the late, humor writer PJ O'Rourke, "I'm an American, I want to solve problems with technology, not politics." An imaginary example of this might be 3D printing. If we could print all we needed via 3D printing (Or nanotech), then the disparities supposedly provided by socialislm, would never be needed. Because, if we print all we need, cheap, who needs a government?
All you do is quote other fringe ideas when questioned. Nothing of that benefits or feeds people now. Irrelevant. Calling Trump “substance over style” misses the point entirely. His style—cruelty without wit, mockery without humor—isn’t some negotiating tactic, it’s how he consolidates power. He silences critics, not with arguments, but with smears and jeers. That’s not leadership, that’s bullying.
As for substance: there is no serious plan to help the middle class. Tariffs and tax cuts are not a strategy—they're a smokescreen. Tariffs raise prices on everyday goods, hurting working families, not billionaires. Meanwhile, tax cuts—like those he passed in 2017—disproportionately benefit the ultra-wealthy. Cutting government jobs and “draining the swamp” sounds tough, but it’s just a way to slash services while funneling more money upward.
If you're in the middle class and supporting this, you'd better hope it doesn’t work—because you're the one paying for it. There’s no plan for sustainable jobs, no serious industrial policy, and no honest accounting of how gutting agencies while ballooning defense spending to $1 trillion will do anything but shift more burden onto you.
Also, because I never miss an opportunity to promote technology as useful to us primates, I will end this convo with today's vid by physicist Sabine Hossenfelder regarding a somewhat improved hypothesis on why black holes are suitable for quantum computing. Older idea, new take.
Technology is useful for robbing you and is out-of-topic. But the idiot here is yours truly, as the expectation for you to focus on one thing and discuss it, is more ludicrous than answering where the money for those tax breaks and military spending will come from. You want to speak physics of quantum computers? Then do the list a favor and have a single thought of your own, an equation, a contribution, without quoting some woke expert. Otherwise it's your usual camo of dressing up your "posts" with woke work to fake a sophistication and/or depth that doesn't exist. Nobody cares about our opinions, Mitch. There are billions of us and I haven't seen you make a single point/contribution for years on this list that fits the topic.
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May 6, 2025, 8:31:31 AM5/6/25
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Technology may rob us all if the super rich can profit off each other alone, and ignore the useless eaters of the middle class and poor? Like the scifi film 2013 Elysium. That is a discussion beyond the capabilities of this wee forum, say I. Globalism and NAFTA its a failure. for the middle class. Even NYT economist and agiotprop Paul Krugman, declared it so a couple of years back. Plus, the wonder-world promised by money men, Soros and his brother Klaus Schwab never came about. Their anti-nationalist ideology paid nothing out, like a bad slot machine that never pays. The UN for war-a failure. The WEF/EU? A sad experiemnt that looks like it was a means to crush the locals, by importing their own voters and enforcers.
The Democrats did this with the open border policiy. 11.5 million illegals in, to be counted in the US Census as residents to apportion the Dems more congressional seats. Globally for immigration and street crime? A very bady move, again playing immigrants directly against nationalist-leaning locals, purposefully.
In the US the amount of cash gone to NGO's, a wholly -owned subsidiary of the D-party's leaders and their offspring, mean't to appear virtuous, has caused 4.7 trillion dollars in over 12 years become untraceable. Much of this went to USAID, which JC has lamented its closure.
I say we can all do better. What's the fixes? Well, politically, I do have to say (being a nutter) that AI governance is worth looking at.Yes, he he owns the companies, would then rule the serfs via AI. But its a way potentially of breaking oligarchs. In any case, reducing the immigration of hostiles is a start. Deportation of hostiles is something I support. Having US taxpayers invest a tiny portion of their income to the markets, has made US Congressional politicians quite wealthy. So if it works for Nancy Pelosi, and it does, , why not for the rest of us? Let us copy their corrupt method to ensure a R.O.I.? R&D with directed goals, say on energy and medicine is another factor. Space, yes, energy and minerals in abundance. Blank checks, say with fusion for 70 years seems unproductive. I'm still waiting pervoskite solar cells too.
That's my laundry list for now, The US has long not been a republic. We're an oligarchy, a plutocracy, properly, where the very rich get their policies enacted for their benefit, while appearing virtuous. Typically, via a single party.
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May 6, 2025, 8:58:18 AM5/6/25
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Zero facts and nothing but parroting the worst quality right wing feeds. Also, still not anything on-topic for this list.
Ironically, you propose AI governance as a “fix” to the oligarchy, even as you fear it being controlled by billionaires. That contradiction captures the core issue: rage against elites without a coherent solution. Trump isn’t the enemy of oligarchy—he’s its current mascot. His policies, his instincts, his allies all serve the concentration of power and wealth. The middle class is a talking point, not a beneficiary.
If you're serious about solutions, start by demanding transparency, fairness in taxation, real infrastructure investment, labor empowerment, and a democratic system where both parties are accountable to the public, not just donors. On this, everybody agrees. No matter party lines. But that means rejecting empty populism and looking closely at results—not just slogans and flattering feeds; to go around and pretend you know something beyond your opinion. If you can't take part in the science orientation of the list without re-posting woke work, stick to facts that are verifiable from multiple perspectives instead of blindly following the algorithm and a "leader", whose actions lead to increased deaths of children etc. for his bottom line. Also wonder: where is Ukrainian peace and all the affordability with money falling from the sky. Let us know, when tariffs materialize that for you and you can buy yourself a dinner with Jesus through meme coin purchase.
You say “technology may rob us all,” yet back a political figure whose actual economic policies fast-track that very outcome. Under Trump, wealth consolidation accelerated: massive tax cuts went to corporations and the ultra-wealthy, with no structural plan for middle-class revival. Tariffs were sold as populist rebalancing but were passed onto consumers, raising prices while the promised return of industrial jobs never materialized in any sustained way. If anything, his approach gutted government capacity to respond to crises while increasing military spending—classic upward wealth transfer disguised as populism.
Your lament about globalism and NAFTA mirrors critiques even centrists like Krugman have admitted, but cherry-picking Krugman’s disillusionment ignores the broader context: the devastation came not just from trade deals but from how governments responded. Instead of reinvesting the gains into worker retraining, infrastructure, or regional development, politicians—yes, across parties—let financial elites capture the surplus. Trump didn’t reverse this trend; he turbocharged it. His administration systematically weakened labor protections, environmental regulations, and oversight of wealth concentration while appointing Goldman Sachs alumni to key economic posts.
As for immigration and crime, the evidence doesn't support your narrative. Violent crime rates have trended down for decades and immigrants—documented or otherwise—commit crimes at lower rates than native-born citizens. The Census counting noncitizens has always been part of constitutional apportionment; it’s not a Democratic conspiracy, it’s how representative democracy functions. If that bothers you, your problem is with the Constitution, not a political party.
The idea that NGOs are a front for DNC offspring is a conspiratorial red herring. USAID and similar agencies, while imperfect, operate under bipartisan oversight and fund a wide range of global programs including health initiatives, disaster relief, and democratic development. If $4.7 trillion is “untraceable,” that’s not a documented fact but an inflated, context-free talking point—often spread through misreadings of budget line items over decades. If you cheer cuts to USAID and global aid efforts, understand what you're applauding: more children without clean water, more mothers unable to access medicine, more communities left to starve after floods and droughts. These aren't abstract numbers—they're kids going blind from vitamin deficiency, infants dying from preventable diarrhea, entire generations locked into cycles of poverty and illness. That’s the real-world impact of defunding humanitarian infrastructure. It’s what Pope Francis tried to warn against: a world where cruelty is excused as efficiency, and solidarity dismissed as weakness. Supporting leaders who gut aid while boosting military budgets and shielding billionaires isn't anti-elitist—it's just punishing the poor for being born on the wrong side of a border. The suffering is real. And if we fund bombs but not bread, history will remember who made that choice. And if you cannot see this, then it's you and people like you who don't have genuine faith in their god/religion while bashing godless progressives.
Your lament about globalism and NAFTA mirrors critiques even centrists like Krugman have admitted, but cherry-picking Krugman’s disillusionment ignores the broader context: the devastation came not just from trade deals but from how governments responded. Instead of reinvesting the gains into worker retraining, infrastructure, or regional development, politicians—yes, across parties—let financial elites capture the surplus. Trump didn’t reverse this trend; he turbocharged it. His administration systematically weakened labor protections, environmental regulations, and oversight of wealth concentration while appointing Goldman Sachs alumni to key economic posts.
As for immigration and crime, the evidence doesn't support your narrative. Violent crime rates have trended down for decades and immigrants—documented or otherwise—commit crimes at lower rates than native-born citizens. The Census counting noncitizens has always been part of constitutional apportionment; it’s not a Democratic conspiracy, it’s how representative democracy functions. If that bothers you, your problem is with the Constitution, not a political party.
The idea that NGOs are a front for DNC offspring is a conspiratorial red herring. USAID and similar agencies, while imperfect, operate under bipartisan oversight and fund a wide range of global programs including health initiatives, disaster relief, and democratic development. If $4.7 trillion is “untraceable,” that’s not a documented fact but an inflated, context-free talking point—often spread through misreadings of budget line items over decades. If you cheer cuts to USAID and global aid efforts, understand what you're applauding: more children without clean water, more mothers unable to access medicine, more communities left to starve after floods and droughts. These aren't abstract numbers—they're kids going blind from vitamin deficiency, infants dying from preventable diarrhea, entire generations locked into cycles of poverty and illness. That’s the real-world impact of defunding humanitarian infrastructure. It’s what Pope Francis tried to warn against: a world where cruelty is excused as efficiency, and solidarity dismissed as weakness. Supporting leaders who gut aid while boosting military budgets and shielding billionaires isn't anti-elitist—it's just punishing the poor for being born on the wrong side of a border. The suffering is real. And if we fund bombs but not bread, history will remember who made that choice. And if you cannot see this, then it's you and people like you who don't have genuine faith in their god/religion while bashing godless progressives.
Ironically, you propose AI governance as a “fix” to the oligarchy, even as you fear it being controlled by billionaires. That contradiction captures the core issue: rage against elites without a coherent solution. Trump isn’t the enemy of oligarchy—he’s its current mascot. His policies, his instincts, his allies all serve the concentration of power and wealth. The middle class is a talking point, not a beneficiary.
If you're serious about solutions, start by demanding transparency, fairness in taxation, real infrastructure investment, labor empowerment, and a democratic system where both parties are accountable to the public, not just donors. On this, everybody agrees. No matter party lines. But that means rejecting empty populism and looking closely at results—not just slogans and flattering feeds; to go around and pretend you know something beyond your opinion. If you can't take part in the science orientation of the list without re-posting woke work, stick to facts that are verifiable from multiple perspectives instead of blindly following the algorithm and a "leader", whose actions lead to increased deaths of children etc. for his bottom line. Also wonder: where is Ukrainian peace and all the affordability with money falling from the sky. Let us know, when tariffs materialize that for you and you can buy yourself a dinner with Jesus through meme coin purchase.
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May 6, 2025, 10:07:43 AM5/6/25
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I usually can back uo my claims when its worth it? I, also can claim, with great, confidence, that the MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the D party. If you cannot objectively look at counter claims, that is not my cross to bear. The Donald is a gambler, so based on what happens in the real world, I am willing to see when he succeeds or fails? Let us all FAFO and consider it an experiement? Color me Not Risk Averse. Krugman is a centrist like Bernie Sanders is a "Social Democrat," a figleaf to cover Joe Stalin, or as I term it, Joe Stalin in a Dior evening gown. More precisely, its the flavor or the EU and its increasingly, tyranical, practices. Starmer arrests and jails people for posting unpleasent items in FaceBook. France and Germany ban parties, & candidates, obstensibly to save us all from Nazis.Personally, for National Socialists, I'd prefer to battle them in the streets myself, then ban AdD, which is less anti-Semitic in action, then, say, Macron's Socialist Party, or the German Social Democrats, Starmer's Labor, in my opinion. The US Demoicrats have surely become the true party of hate domestically, So for me, there's no going back..
Domestically, the last Democratic candidate I voted for was Al Gore. He promised me a hydrogen powered car. So after 25 years, where's my hydrogen powered car? So, we all evolve as we must to survive. Or as a real economist, Thomas Sowell said: "Life isn't always about fixes. Life is often about trade offs."
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Souch falsehood on one email, unfortunately magats are irredeemable, you’re brainwashed and part of cult... to paraphrase you... ciao !
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer)
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May 6, 2025, 12:45:16 PM5/6/25
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On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 4:07:43 PM UTC+2 spudb...@aol.com wrote:
I usually can back uo my claims when its worth it? I, also can claim, with great, confidence, that the MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the D party. If you cannot objectively look at counter claims, that is not my cross to bear. The Donald is a gambler, so based on what happens in the real world, I am willing to see when he succeeds or fails? Let us all FAFO and consider it an experiement? Color me Not Risk Averse. Krugman is a centrist like Bernie Sanders is a "Social Democrat," a figleaf to cover Joe Stalin, or as I term it, Joe Stalin in a Dior evening gown. More precisely, its the flavor or the EU and its increasingly, tyranical, practices. Starmer arrests and jails people for posting unpleasent items in FaceBook. France and Germany ban parties, & candidates, obstensibly to save us all from Nazis.Personally, for National Socialists, I'd prefer to battle them in the streets myself, then ban AdD, which is less anti-Semitic in action, then, say, Macron's Socialist Party, or the German Social Democrats, Starmer's Labor, in my opinion. The US Demoicrats have surely become the true party of hate domestically, So for me, there's no going back..Domestically, the last Democratic candidate I voted for was Al Gore. He promised me a hydrogen powered car. So after 25 years, where's my hydrogen powered car? So, we all evolve as we must to survive. Or as a real economist, Thomas Sowell said: "Life isn't always about fixes. Life is often about trade offs."
What do you know about Life or trade offs? You want to discuss quantum computing but cannot comprehend basic pie charts on government expenditure. As for the rest of it:
→ $7.8 trillion added to the debt
→ Tariffs = higher prices for Americans
→ Corporate tax cuts = no wage growth
→ Manufacturing? Flat
[Source: CBO, Brookings, Moody’s]
2/ Tariffs didn’t "bring jobs back"—they hiked prices and sparked trade retaliation. U.S. consumers and farmers paid. The rich didn’t.
[Source: Peterson Institute, Bloomberg]
3/ You want to “FAFO” with middle-class livelihoods? That’s not courage. It’s reckless. The burden isn’t on you—it’s on the people who can’t absorb the hit.
4/ MSM isn’t “owned” by Democrats. Fox News, Newsmax, Sinclair dominate huge markets. Bias exists, but pretending only Dems control media is fantasy.
[Media Bias Chart, Pew Research]
5/ Starmer isn’t “jailing people for Facebook posts.” UK hate speech laws predate him. And comparing Bernie Sanders to Stalin is just unserious.
6/ AfD isn’t banned for being “unpleasant”—they’re under surveillance for extremism. Jewish groups in Germany are warning about them, not the SPD.
[Source: DW, BBC, German domestic intel (BfV)]
7/ You say the Dems are “the true party of hate” but offer no policy critique—just culture war slogans. Hate isn’t disagreement. It’s what you fuel with dehumanization.
8/ No one promised hydrogen cars in 2000 with a delivery date. Al Gore spoke in speculative terms. But we do have EVs now, in part because climate policy evolved.
9/ Quoting Sowell on trade-offs? Great. Let’s talk trade-offs:
→ You want tax cuts for billionaires? That’s a trade-off.
→ You want defense at $1 trillion? That’s a trade-off.
→ Who pays? Not the hedge fund class. You do.
10/ Trumpism isn’t anti-elitist. It is the elite—just in gold trim. His policies help the wealthy, punish the poor, and sell it as populism. That’s not rebellion. That’s branding.
11/ You claim Christian roots and admire the bombastic style of policy that denies starving children food and meds to self-enrich. You shouldn't be asking where your hydrogen car is. You should be looking for dying children in foreign countries, steal their their nourishment/rations, and deprive them and their moms' access to health services at gunpoint. Then bring the cash home and invest in Donald's meme coin to have dinner with him and tour the White House to "help the middle class". Then you could also buy your woke-ass hydrogen car.
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May 6, 2025, 1:03:33 PM5/6/25
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I did like the irony of the Roy Batty scene, so keep using it.
You have zero refutation of what I have claimed, which is ok, supposidly the reader must rely on your own, personal, authenticity? Let us know, if you'd like, if you have any reasons from someone authoratative? Or, are you just venting your amygdala? That's ok too. Lets just say we all have tried things your way, and it ain't so great, in the streets of the US & the world. .
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May 6, 2025, 1:07:44 PM5/6/25
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I cite sources. You tag woke shit.
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May 6, 2025, 1:21:38 PM5/6/25
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I did like the irony of the Roy Batty scene, so keep using it.You have zero refutation of what I have claimed, which is ok, supposidly the reader must rely on your own, personal, authenticity? Let us know, if you'd like, if you have any reasons from someone authoratative? Or, are you just venting your amygdala? That's ok too. Lets just say we all have tried things your way, and it ain't so great, in the streets of the US & the world. .On Tuesday, May 6, 2025 at 11:18:34 AM EDT, Quentin Anciaux <allc...@gmail.com> wrote:Souch falsehood on one email, unfortunately magats are irredeemable, you’re brainwashed and part of cult... to paraphrase you... ciao !All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. (Roy Batty/Rutger Hauer)Le mar. 6 mai 2025, 16:07, 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> a écrit :I usually can back uo my claims when its worth it? I, also can claim, with great, confidence, that the MSM is a wholly owned subsidiary of the D party.
It's blatantly false and not backed by anything.
If you cannot objectively look at counter claims, that is not my cross to bear. The Donald is a gambler,
The Donald is a lie IQ individual who can't see badly superimposed letters on a photo and who insist to a journalist that they are real...
so based on what happens in the real world, I am willing to see when he succeeds or fails? Let us all FAFO and consider it an experiement? Color me Not Risk Averse. Krugman is a centrist like Bernie Sanders is a "Social Democrat," a figleaf to cover Joe Stalin, or as I term it, Joe Stalin
Bernie sanders is at most at center of political spectrum in European standard... far far away from communism.
in a Dior evening gown. More precisely, its the flavor or the EU and its increasingly, tyranical, practices. Starmer arrests and jails people for posting unpleasent items in FaceBook.
Blatantly false, a lie, hate speech laws exists for a reason, spreading hate and lies is *not* free speech.
France and Germany ban parties
They do not, RN is not banned, Marine leoen was condemn because she stole public funds to finance her own party (and we can say offer fake jobs to friends and family), by the way his father was a negationist and the party created by ex nazi collabo.
, & candidates, obstensibly to save us all from Nazis.
Yes, Hitler did go to power through hate and lies, it's not free speech and this shouldn't happen again.
You’re a mononeuronal brainwashed being, and you're in a cult and people like you are leading us in hell.
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What doesn't appear in globby reporting? Well this-
American Manufacturers Overwhelmed With Orders After Trump’s Tariff Crackdown On China
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/29/five-years-nonviolent-protest-wrong-keir-starmer
/5 Starmer The Guardian-
/2 Bloomberg is Short Mike, eh? Poor former Mayor of NYC tsk! Still huting?
6/AfD? I can accuse you of being a witch, yet Afd is not deliberately importing Islamists in-country. This has been a SD thing for decades. Like the French, for blood work, they Gernans outsource their violence to the jihad brothers. Something the dems do nationally. So do the Brits. alas.
/7 Al Gore Me: Did A lGore promise hydrogen cars? I voted for him for that reason.
/8 We are headed now for the buggest FAFO is US history. Your team will either do a Civ War 2 in hopes of our elimination, or we do a nat split, which sounds interesting to me.
/9 The Hedge Funds run the parties anyway. The US hasn't been a Republic maybe since 1939? I could list your oligarchs v my oilgarchs, but its better simply to list this old article for your perusal?
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/11 seems the sketchiest accusation. Look at it this way, John Kerry, an environmentalist chieftain/ and globalist, has long espoused the electric car. Fine, but he's not going to sell me. about his virtue, when this occurs as a result. :-)
Now as Chicago atty and (Commie) Civil Activist Saul Alinksy said in 'Rules for Radicals,' "The Price of a criticism, is the offering of an alternative." Now what about this? Forward into the past! Whatdya say? Clear the west coast forest waste and their fire hazzard too!
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Woke? no, I am anti-Woke. Simply cuz its damaging to the societies that do woke crap, based on being nice nice on say, race, sex, with no other discerning qualification, such as say, temperment, or math skill. Are you going to hold yourself as the "authority," on all issues? I don't. Especially, if I get my conclusions by people who seem to be accurate. But, knock yourself out, if this suits you?
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May 6, 2025, 2:09:29 PM5/6/25
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Splendid! I also liked Philip K. Dick's, Man in the High Castle. I liked even Dick's hallucinations in 1974!
"Philip K. Dick experienced a series of intense and prolonged hallucinations starting in 1974, which he later termed "2-3-74" for the February-March period. These hallucinations were primarily visual and religious in nature, involving geometric patterns, visions of Jesus and ancient Rome, and what Dick described as an "intelligent pink beam of light". He initially attributed them to medication side effects but later came to believe they were an invasion of his mind by a "transcendentally rational mind," which he later named VALIS (Vast Active Living Intelligence System)."
Based on physicst Federico Faggin, I am guessing that Dick's Valis may actually be fact! But there ya go, each to their own.
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> Because he knew it woulds piss you and yours off JC. You know the old saying, Fuck em if they can't take a joke
Before the election Trump said he would inflict astronomically high tariffs on the American people which, as any economist would tell you, would devastate the Country's GDP; people like you said that was just Trump being Trump, he was just joking and wouldn't really do it. But now look at us! I predicted 2020 would be the last presidential election this country ever has, but Trump's stupidity has exceeded even my very low expectations, so now I think we will be saved from dictatorship if Trump sticks to his guns and doesn't change his monumentally idiotic trade policy. Even the MAGA faithful will not forgive a self generated Trump slump.
> I never miss an opportunity to promote technology as useful to us primate
Then tell me what you think of Trump's war, not on cancer but his war on cancer research? That primate has already canceled billions of dollars of research into cancer because some of the scientists involved may have political views that differ from Trump's, even though cancer doesn't care if you're a republican or a democrat. And you'd think after our experience with Covid we'd be better prepared for the next pandemic, but instead Trump is cutting the budget for the Center For Disease Control, and Trump picked Robert Kennedy Junior, perhaps the only man in America even stupider than Trump, to be the head of the National Institute of Health. Does that sound like promoting useful technology to you?
> the Democrats did this with the open border policiy. 11.5 million illegals in
1sz
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Absolutely hilarious. I doubt he knows the first thing about the order of a mass.
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JC, at the end of the day, we have spent decades on basic research and it takes God's own time to get anything really good out of it. Do I need to tell you of this, via, cancer, fusion, solar power, space? Joey,, wasn't so great on this either and neither was Barack, nor, Bush 43, nor Wild Bill. Instead, let Donald gamble. $$$ In for a penny, in for a pound. Let's be good capitalists my Comrades, and see if we can get more, like ROI? IF old capitalism with its rewards for the wealthy, can also, using AI, Boost our medical, energy, space, and materials science capabilities by decades? Its worth a try, and your duly, noted, pessimism hasn't served us all that well, TBH. What's to lose?
Meanwhile, changing Topic here===========
I remember you and physicist Guilio Prisco did a review of Oxford physicist, Tim Palmer's book Primacy of Doubt back in 2022. I prompted, Gemini,Co-Pilot, and Grok-3 with the same prompt line, and I found Grok-3 the best of a bad lot. Gemini and Co-pilot sucked badly, from my pov. Here is a long response from Grok. Presue at leisure if you want to?
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Exploring Physicist Tim Palmer's View of an Afterlife in his Book Primacy of Doubt
In The Primacy of Doubt: From Quantum Physics to Climate Change, How the Science of Uncertainty Can Help Us Understand Our Chaotic World, physicist Tim Palmer explores a wide range of topics, including consciousness, free will, and theological questions, but he does not explicitly focus on the concept of an afterlife in a traditional religious sense. His discussion of topics related to spirituality and theology, including any potential implications for an afterlife, is speculative and grounded in his scientific framework, particularly the geometry of chaos and uncertainty. Below, I’ll outline how Palmer’s views in the book might relate to the idea of an afterlife, based on the available information, and clarify the limitations of his treatment of this topic.
Palmer’s Framework: Uncertainty, Chaos, and Consciousness
Palmer, a Royal Society Research Professor at the University of Oxford, is known for his work on ensemble weather forecasting and the application of chaos theory to various domains, from climate to quantum physics. In The Primacy of Doubt, he argues that embracing uncertainty—through concepts like the geometry of chaos (fractal structures) and ensemble prediction—offers insights into complex systems, including the human brain, consciousness, and even philosophical questions about free will and theology.
The book’s third section, “The Science of Uncertainty to Understand Our Chaotic World,” includes a chapter (Chapter 14: “Free Will, Consciousness and Theology”) where Palmer ventures into speculative territory, addressing big questions about human existence. He connects the low-energy efficiency of the brain, chaos theory, and quantum mechanics to consciousness and free will, suggesting that the brain’s ability to operate creatively in uncertain conditions might reflect deeper principles of the universe. This sets the stage for his brief exploration of theological ideas, which could indirectly touch on concepts like the afterlife.
Palmer’s View on Theological Questions and the Afterlife
Palmer’s approach to theology is not rooted in traditional religious doctrine but rather in a physicist’s attempt to interpret profound mysteries through the lens of science. He acknowledges the limitations of his expertise, noting that his speculations in philosophy and theology are outside his primary domain of natural sciences. Specifically, in Chapter 14, he explores whether the geometry of chaos and his proposed “invariant set theory” (a novel interpretation of quantum mechanics involving counterfactual indefiniteness) could provide insights into questions about God, consciousness, and human purpose.
Regarding the afterlife, Palmer does not explicitly endorse or deny its existence. Instead, his discussion of theology appears to focus on whether scientific principles, like the fractal geometry of chaos or quantum uncertainty, might offer a framework for understanding spiritual or metaphysical phenomena. For example:
- He suggests that the universe’s chaotic structures could imply a deeper order or purpose, which some might interpret as compatible with spiritual ideas, including the possibility of consciousness persisting in some form. However, this is highly speculative and not a direct claim about an afterlife.
- His invariant set theory, which proposes a deterministic yet unpredictable framework for quantum mechanics, might allow for philosophical interpretations of consciousness or free will that could intersect with theological ideas about the soul or persistence of identity. However, reviewers note that this section feels “hand-wavy” and lacks rigorous mathematical grounding, suggesting it’s more exploratory than conclusive.
Palmer’s Jesuit reader (mentioned in a review) appreciated the philosophical background of ensemble forecasting but did not comment on afterlife-specific insights, indicating that the book’s theological discussion is broad and not focused on afterlife details. Similarly, reviews highlight that Palmer’s treatment of theology is ambitious but limited by his physicist’s perspective, where “everything looks like particle interactions and mathematical expressions.”
Key Points on Palmer’s Afterlife View
- No Direct Discussion of an Afterlife: Palmer’s book does not provide a clear stance on the afterlife as understood in religious contexts (e.g., heaven, reincarnation, or spiritual continuation). His focus is on consciousness, free will, and theological possibilities through a scientific lens.
- Speculative Theology: In Chapter 14, he speculates on how chaos theory and quantum mechanics might relate to theological questions, but these are abstract and tied to his invariant set theory rather than concrete claims about life after death.
- Consciousness and Chaos: Palmer’s ideas about the brain’s low-energy creativity and chaotic dynamics could imply that consciousness is a fundamental aspect of the universe, potentially leaving room for metaphysical interpretations of its persistence, but he does not develop this into an afterlife theory.
- Limitations of Expertise: Palmer admits to crossing into speculative territory where he lacks expertise, and reviewers note that his theological arguments are less convincing than his discussions of chaos or climate.
Critical Perspective
While Palmer’s work is praised for its ambition and interdisciplinary scope—called “quite possibly the best popular science book” by some—his venture into theology and metaphysical questions is seen as less robust. Critics argue that his physicist’s worldview limits his ability to engage deeply with philosophical or theological traditions, which might include established perspectives on the afterlife. For instance, a reviewer with a PhD in theoretical physics found his invariant set theory intriguing but unconvincing, suggesting that Palmer’s theological speculations are more provocative than definitive.
From a skeptical standpoint, Palmer’s approach risks overextending scientific tools (chaos theory, quantum mechanics) into domains where they may not apply, such as the afterlife, which is inherently untestable by current scientific methods. Conversely, his openness to exploring these questions aligns with his broader theme of embracing doubt, reflecting a willingness to question established boundaries between science and spirituality.
Conclusion
Tim Palmer’s The Primacy of Doubt does not offer a specific view on the afterlife. Instead, it includes speculative discussions about consciousness, free will, and theology, using chaos theory and quantum mechanics as lenses. While these ideas might inspire readers to consider whether consciousness could persist in some form, Palmer does not make explicit claims about an afterlife. His approach is that of a physicist exploring big questions with scientific tools, acknowledging his limitations in philosophy and theology. For a deeper understanding, readers might focus on Chapter 14, but should approach it as a thought-provoking rather than conclusive treatment of spiritual topics.
If you’d like, I can search for additional reviews or discussions of The Primacy of Doubt to see if other readers or critics have interpreted Palmer’s theological views as relating to the afterlife, or I can analyze specific passages if you have access to the book. Let me know how you’d like to proceed!"
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NOTE: Palmer Does have direct references to an Afterlife. I can see this on my phone now,
and Prisco notes this in his latest book. Palmer posits it using his Invariant Set Theory where we return, largely as copies of ourselves (precise) re-experiencing as adults, this world, but during a later time in the Universe. This seems to describe more closely a technological resurrection for us? "For example, in the invariant set model there is an afterlife. We and our loved onesbe coming back in future epochs of the universe, on trajectories in state space, none precisely the same as the present one.We have the opportunity not to make the same mistakes again. Equally, we will likely mess up some of the successes we have made of our lives this time round. Perhaps it will be better the next time round, perhaps it will be worse. Who knows? That makes it all the more exciting and somdthing to look forward to (arguablymuch more exciting than a future of perfect bliss and happiness).For each epoch there will be an afterlife;there is no ending to the number of trajectories on the cosmological invariant set. Indeed, as someone who rejected the Catholic religion of his childhood, I tend in my more metaphysical moments to think of cosmological invaraint set as a logical alternative to the god of my early years...
I am not sure I agree with Palmer on all this. Tho' it seems to coincide with a technological resurrection us nerds dream of. His 'god' seems interesting in any case. The moral? Lets be careful of how AI engines have been ideologically programmed?
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The order of mass you say?
Pater Noster,
qui es in caelis,
sanctificetur nomen tuum.
Adveniat regnum tuum.
Fiat voluntas tua,
sicut in caelo et in terra.
qui es in caelis,
sanctificetur nomen tuum.
Adveniat regnum tuum.
Fiat voluntas tua,
sicut in caelo et in terra.
For physics when I read articles, I tend to go by the Powers of Ten.
So, where's our fusion reactors? ;-)
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Woke? no, I am anti-Woke. Simply cuz its damaging to the societies that do woke crap, based on being nice nice on say, race, sex, with no other discerning qualification, such as say, temperment, or math skill. Are you going to hold yourself as the "authority," on all issues? I don't. Especially, if I get my conclusions by people who seem to be accurate. But, knock yourself out, if this suits you?
You’ve panicked and gone full kitchen sink—tariffs, Islamists, civil war, John Kerry, Saul Alinsky, cobalt mines, hydrogen cars, witch trials, and a 2014 oligarchy study—without addressing a single claim with real evidence or updated economic data. That’s the clearest sign you’re dodging: flood the conversation with chaos, so no fact can breathe.
The MSN headline about manufacturers being “overwhelmed” sounds dramatic, but it’s cherry-picked PR from trade groups and doesn't reflect sustained economic impact. Real data shows Trump's tariffs raised costs for U.S. companies and consumers, shrank export markets, and didn't bring supply chains home.
[Source: Peterson Institute, Brookings, National Bureau of Economic Research]
As for AfD and immigration: nobody needs to “accuse”—AfD is officially under surveillance by German intelligence for extremist ties. Jewish and democratic watchdogs aren’t buying the “they’re just patriotic” spin. That’s not witch-hunting, that’s called evidence-based national security.
[Source: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV), Deutsche Welle]
The MSN headline about manufacturers being “overwhelmed” sounds dramatic, but it’s cherry-picked PR from trade groups and doesn't reflect sustained economic impact. Real data shows Trump's tariffs raised costs for U.S. companies and consumers, shrank export markets, and didn't bring supply chains home.
[Source: Peterson Institute, Brookings, National Bureau of Economic Research]
As for AfD and immigration: nobody needs to “accuse”—AfD is officially under surveillance by German intelligence for extremist ties. Jewish and democratic watchdogs aren’t buying the “they’re just patriotic” spin. That’s not witch-hunting, that’s called evidence-based national security.
[Source: Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV), Deutsche Welle]
But no, I am not for prohibiting them. They should, like you here, be made to answer questions. Then everybody gets to see the full kitchen sink of dodging + nonsense they're offering without the algorithmic glow of the forbidden tinfoil thing only they have been able to uncover.
Your rant about Gore promising hydrogen cars and being let down is cute, but also irrelevant. Or do you feel entitled to get a car from voting? Mitch, you just confused... boy. Meanwhile, EVs are booming thanks to policies Gore advocated. That’s progress, not betrayal.
Citing the 2014 “oligarchy” study from UPI doesn’t prove "your side" is right—it proves the entire system has deep structural issues. But guess what? Trump didn't dismantle oligarchy. He staffed it. Hedge funds, oil barons, media owners—they didn’t lose power under him. They gained.
On cobalt: yes, mining it is a serious ethical issue. So is oil extraction, rare earth exploitation, and coal burning. Progress means fixing the problems, not retreating into 1950s nostalgia with wood-fired nationalist fantasy and tinfoil geopolitics.
Your rant about Gore promising hydrogen cars and being let down is cute, but also irrelevant. Or do you feel entitled to get a car from voting? Mitch, you just confused... boy. Meanwhile, EVs are booming thanks to policies Gore advocated. That’s progress, not betrayal.
Citing the 2014 “oligarchy” study from UPI doesn’t prove "your side" is right—it proves the entire system has deep structural issues. But guess what? Trump didn't dismantle oligarchy. He staffed it. Hedge funds, oil barons, media owners—they didn’t lose power under him. They gained.
On cobalt: yes, mining it is a serious ethical issue. So is oil extraction, rare earth exploitation, and coal burning. Progress means fixing the problems, not retreating into 1950s nostalgia with wood-fired nationalist fantasy and tinfoil geopolitics.
Finally, quoting Alinsky doesn’t cover the fact you haven’t offered a real alternative—just a patchwork of slogans, resentments, and threats of civil war. That’s not vision. That’s emotional escapism. And it's why conspiratorial movements always have to up the ante: because reality doesn't validate them—so the fiction must grow louder.
And citing every topic under the sun to divert attention from the lack of substance and no ability to read pie charts... Why anybody would talk physics or fundamental science with you, who is both woke (where's my hydrogen car, mom? Mom?! Look at me, I is doing Physics! Cuz I is as smart as the woke cuz I post with them? I read PkD? I knows the bible...) and anti-woke (tariffs, islamists, civil war, Alinsky). This is 1984 doublespeak par excellence.
Lol, ROI? Cutting fundamental cancer research because it lacks immediate ROI is short-sighted. Fundamental discoveries often take years, sometimes over a thousand—or a moment of insight—to revolutionize medicine, engineering, and all the other woke projects running since 2000 years. Penicillin, mRNA tech, CRISPR: all came from basic research. If we must speak economically, fundamental science delivers the highest long-term return of any human endeavor. The fact that we can’t predict when a breakthrough comes is why we keep funding it. You suck up to woke authors, hate the woke, call them Professor, pretend to be interested in their work, like the sycophant culture around the guy, you were disillusioned with a few years ago, only to vote him back in, and believe the Coollaid a second time, with full access to evidence the first time around.
Nah, you don't deserve to be silenced and I won't be your authority. You deserve to be platformed for all to see. Like every despot-in-chief, like the last time, and the times ahead. We need your historical example. And nope, you don't need my refutation. I just have to hold up a pie chart and you run to PKD, Alinsky, cry about your missing hydrogen car, and denounce fundamental science while sucking dicks on a fundamental science list.
And yes, people should see this over and over again. So post yourself forward to forget this as fast as you can. And just go kitchen sink as far out as you can to prove your "points".
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The bottom line is that your fix for the world's ills have gotten us nowhere. But because of ideology, you won't self correct. Promising and never delivering is not a cool thing. That a plurality of the American people have walked away from this should be no surprise. Deliver the goods or go home. This is factual in the US, Canada and yes, dear Europe. No excuses for Dem paymasters like the Open Society Foundation (George), The Rockerfeller Brothers Fund, Reid Hoffman of LinkedIn, or some declining Entertainment Bozos.While I have your attention, what do you feel about a national split? Could it work?
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Yes, a split where california splits of from the people's democratic Republic of America would be good for the californians. I certainly agree.
Do you think that people, not just US citizens, but everyone are entitled to due process before getting deported?
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wrote:
Yes, a split where california splits of from the people's democratic Republic of America would be good for the californians. I certainly agree.
I want California, Oregon, and Washington to become the 11th
province of Canada. Canada would then be the wealthiest nation and
China's biggest trading partner.
Do you think that people, not just US citizens, but everyone are entitled to due process before getting deported?
Absolutely. The Constitution refers to persons, not just citizens.
And more to the point even a due process finding to deport does not
imply a due process finding to imprison.
Brent
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> JC, at the end of the day, we have spent decades on basic research and it takes God's own time to get anything really good out of it. Do I need to tell you of this, via, cancer,
So out of the millions of different extraordinary complex chemicals that the human body uses and produces you think the decision about which one deserves deeper investigation and is more likely to lead to a cancer cure should not be made by Nobel prize winning organic chemists but by Robert Brainworm Kennedy, Donald Trump and his clown car cabinet. I humbly disagree. A strong analogy can be made between the present situation in America and the way that Trofim Lysenko destroyed medical research in the USSR.
> your duly, noted, pessimism hasn't served us all that well
I'm not pessimistic, the situation is still not hopeless. I think the human race has about a 30% chance of existing 10 years from now; before Trump got reelected I would've said there was a 50% chance of surviving the Singularity.
> What's to lose?
Well for one thing, experimental cancer treatments that were terminated halfway through their planned trial run so, thanks to Trump, they are now scientifically useless. Hey but at least we've got the Gulf Of America!
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Henrik, no. Those who enter illegally have no due process, historically. Due process only applied to citizens and legal residents. This has been supported by consecutive Supreme Court rulings. It is also reciprocated by other nations the illegals enter from where illegals have come from. I can't go to Bolivia and demand due process before they kick me out, for example.
Now, the succession of California seems achievable, and since the neighboring states Oregon and Washington are similarly ideological, yourPeople's Republic has a better chance. Should we plan for hostilities netqween us, or are you going to have the People's Republic of China defend you, an outsourcing?
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We''l succeed never the less. Why? Even Adolf was first in Jet fighters and rocketry. Technologies have their own trajectory. Americans will leave for Canada. Indian researchers will set up shop stateside.
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May 7, 2025, 12:10:57 PM5/7/25
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The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights.
Cited from your own legal stuff. So, no.
Illegals should be treated with due process of law. That's not the same as being allowed into a country or getting whatever you want. However, the US has not been great at due process before Maga et al so maybe we should not be surprised at the current state of affairs.
If you come to Sweden in an illegal way you will be kindly kicked out with due process of law. There are lots of rights afforded to someone entering the country illegally. Not being sent to a concentration camp abroad for example? Even more to your own citizens and your heroic jackboots seems to ignore even that.
When it comes to people's democratic Republics, I do not want any fuck at all with them. Not China, not Russia not north Korea nor anything with MAGA USA.
Europe (Sweden in my case) don't want nothing with China, bunch of autocratic fascist. If you suddenly are so bloody paranoid about them, maybe you shouldn't alienate the continent that foolishly thought they were allied with you. And also who until a tradewar started by trump wanted nothing more than continuous trade with the USA.
Now fascist in the west, fascist in the east. Who should we give our money?
We don't want no-one of them. Maybe all the other continents?
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May 7, 2025, 1:40:33 PM5/7/25
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Frankly, if this forum is as stupid and ideologically captured as you claim—why are you here? Shouldn’t you be off delivering the master “fix”? Where’s the legislation that ends war, cures inflation, feeds everyone, and rebuilds the nation with laser-guided fusion-powered hydrogen cars? Did your blueprint get lost in the mail?
Where’s the plan that neutralizes the Rockefellers, vaporizes Klaus Schwab’s teleportation satellites, deregulates every molecule of existence, and still gets the crops watered? Where’s the anti-woke AI system that scans every NGO for signs of empathy and shuts it down in real time?
Why trust antibiotics? Aren’t they embedded with nanotech social credit devices secretly funded by George Soros and LinkedIn? Shouldn’t we be purifying our water with Alinsky-free charcoal and letting Comrade Xi finish the railway while we split the nation into pre-ROI and post-ROI zones?
And remind me—does your miracle fix come before or after the national divorce, the great bug ban, the banning of parties in France, the fall of the UN, and the reanimation of Al Gore holding a cobalt-powered windmill?
It’s all so confusing. Maybe the scientists are making things up. Or maybe, just maybe—not everything is a simplistic Bond villain plot? Maybe we just live in a messy, complicated world where people disagree, try, fail, try again, and sometimes—just sometimes—care enough to feed a starving child without checking their ideology first.
So before you declare war on the fire extinguisher for being too woke—ask yourself "why?". Water seems woke too. It will extinguish fires for both illegal immigrants and trans folk. Isn't there a conspiracy between fire extinguishers and water? Isn' this exactly the kind of thing the globalized media left does not want you to discover?
Where’s the plan that neutralizes the Rockefellers, vaporizes Klaus Schwab’s teleportation satellites, deregulates every molecule of existence, and still gets the crops watered? Where’s the anti-woke AI system that scans every NGO for signs of empathy and shuts it down in real time?
Why trust antibiotics? Aren’t they embedded with nanotech social credit devices secretly funded by George Soros and LinkedIn? Shouldn’t we be purifying our water with Alinsky-free charcoal and letting Comrade Xi finish the railway while we split the nation into pre-ROI and post-ROI zones?
And remind me—does your miracle fix come before or after the national divorce, the great bug ban, the banning of parties in France, the fall of the UN, and the reanimation of Al Gore holding a cobalt-powered windmill?
It’s all so confusing. Maybe the scientists are making things up. Or maybe, just maybe—not everything is a simplistic Bond villain plot? Maybe we just live in a messy, complicated world where people disagree, try, fail, try again, and sometimes—just sometimes—care enough to feed a starving child without checking their ideology first.
So before you declare war on the fire extinguisher for being too woke—ask yourself "why?". Water seems woke too. It will extinguish fires for both illegal immigrants and trans folk. Isn't there a conspiracy between fire extinguishers and water? Isn' this exactly the kind of thing the globalized media left does not want you to discover?
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May 7, 2025, 2:00:35 PM5/7/25
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The state of the world is very sad and reflects on this list that has been hijacked by crazies... on one side we have a misogynistic solipsist nazi..
On the other side mononeuronal magat fafo nazism... it's impossible to argue with cultists and impossible to have this list back to discuss about everything theories, it’s very sad.
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May 7, 2025, 4:57:48 PM5/7/25
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I would say that many times the US has kicked out illegals and the Supreme Court hasn't upheld oppostion to this practice. Moreover, since illegal aliens are a global issue, consider the actions of other nations regarding immigration. Germany has adapted to change. I suspect Sweden will too.Meanwhile....
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May 7, 2025, 5:04:41 PM5/7/25
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Team progressive hasn't ameliorated the world's problems. We have tried it this way for 3 decades and things have gotten worse. If one cannot change policies when they fail or harm the locals, because of ideology, I can't help them there. The tech promised by the Greens hasn't worked as yet. In any case the American people have gone back, as a plurality away from the progressive (neocommunist) mentality. People have resisted in Europe and supression occurs. Be careful what one posts in FaceBook!
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May 7, 2025, 9:51:28 PM5/7/25
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You want American Greatness? I'll get to it but It’s easy to forget what any trader, business person, or bank clerk would confirm: amidst the noise of outrage and cultural conflict, just how strange and privileged the global economic system of the last half-century has been—especially for the United States. Since the 1970s, the world has run on a kind of financial perpetual motion machine, with the U.S. at the center. America consumed the world’s goods. The world, in return, saved its profits in the U.S. financial system. This wasn’t a scam. It was a complex, mutually beneficial loop. But like any loop that depends on unspoken trust, it is fragile.
Economists have called it many things—“exorbitant privilege,” “surplus recycling,” “the dollar trap.” One Chinese official once described it more plainly: “Your trade deficit is our demand engine. In return, we fund your lifestyle.” That’s the deal. A magic motor running on U.S. trade deficits, global production, and Wall Street’s gravitational pull.
The U.S. imported far more than it exported since the 1970s, sending dollars to countries like China, Japan, Germany etc. Those countries, instead of spending those dollars elsewhere, turned around and reinvested them in U.S. assets—Treasury bonds, real estate, equities. The result? The U.S. could run massive deficits, borrow cheaply, and still maintain strong global demand for its currency. Meanwhile, exporting nations got stable consumers for their goods and a dependable place to park their earnings. Everybody wins, right? Lol
This system didn’t just help Wall Street or coastal elites. It also quietly benefited working- and middle-class Americans in real, material ways. Imported goods stayed cheap. Inflation was kept low. Mortgage and loan rates were modest. Public spending—from schools to highways to national defense—could be funded with low-interest borrowing. Even during recessions, investors ran toward the dollar, not away from it. The world trusted the U.S. with its savings. That trust became the backbone of American risk culture.
Yes, Americans work hard. They build. They strive. But it’s simply easier to take risks when you know failure won’t mean catastrophe. Venture capital, startup culture, long-term product R&D, and yes—even outpacing the world in becoming a space-faring civilization—were possible not just because of ingenuity, but because of the financial backstop provided by global dollar demand. Other countries don’t lack creativity. They lack the luxury of failure. Their currencies don’t buy them a second, or even multiple chances.
Silicon Valley, in this light, is not just a triumph of vision. It’s a monument to financial privilege—where massive investments could be made with little short-term return, because someone, somewhere, was always willing to buy the debt and hold the currency. In that sense, even America’s boldest economic narratives rest on something much quieter: trust.
And this is why the current populist backlash—particularly from the U.S. right—is both tragic and surreal. We now see citizens declaring victory over an imagined globalist-communist elite, claiming to have reclaimed their country, as if America had spent the last 50 years under socialist rule. They don’t see that what looked like economic decline was actually a trade—deindustrialization in exchange for global financial dominance. It’s true the factories disappeared. But the ability to import goods and print money without collapse remained. The problem wasn’t that “China stole our jobs.” The deeper truth is that US outsourced production and kept the benefits of imperial financial status. There's no need to invade the rest of the planet if you dominate its pocketbook, set the rules, and print cash to pay for anything/everything with the cash coming back!
So when MAGA voices cheer global market turmoil as proof of American resurgence, the world stares back—confused. Because from outside, it doesn’t look like victory. It looks like the one country that gets to have its cake and eat it too is now smashing the cake, setting fire to the kitchen, and demanding applause.
This isn't communism. It's not socialism across the board. Quite the opposite: It’s a system built on structural capital flows, asymmetric risk, and the centrality of the dollar in global trade settlement and investment. America’s fiscal and trade deficits weren’t signs of weakness—they were signs of dominance. They allowed the U.S. to shape global monetary conditions without lifting a hammer or casting a mold.
If there’s a Marxist twist, it’s that those most harmed by this system—the folks left behind by automation, offshoring, and financialization—began to see the pattern. They recognized “socialism for the banks” and demanded something similar for themselves. But instead of turning left, they were seduced by a loud, orange guy, his nationalism (= loyalty to him), nostalgia, and easy villains. They blame immigrants. They blame DEI. They blame ecologists and crazy notions of trees, clean air, clean water, un-poisoned food, and compassion. They blamed “wokeness". And now, the world is asking the question that somehow wasn’t asked enough in 2008: If the U.S. nearly destroyed global markets through subprime madness and was still rewarded with more trust—what happens if that trust finally erodes or breaks?
The threat is not that America/Dollar collapses overnight. But that the quiet recycling loop that keeps global capital anchored, American risks tolerable, and the dollar unrivaled, begins to fray. The world isn't scrambling because "our team finally won"; it's scrambling because it was banking on the US maintaining and growing its greatness.
The stupidity is not that the world took advantage of the United States. It’s that the world now appears to have trusted it too much—and that trust was spent, not reinvested. So now we face a choice: rebuild the scaffolding of credibility, fairness, and cooperation (you can't impose that via executive order btw)—or continue shouting victory from a tower slowly cracking at the base, which looks more likely.
Everyone got high. Everyone got dependent. And now, coming down, the real question is: who’s ready to sober up and do the work of building something that lasts? Something immune to elections and idiots following idiots perhaps? Where's the magical fix that some supreme leader brings? In what theory? What is "your team" fixing, Mitch? Who is "your team"? Where's the promised salvation?
John Clark
May 8, 2025, 7:29:06 AM5/8/25
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> Team progressive hasn't ameliorated the world's problems.
Bullshit. Thanks to the spread of the enlightenment movement, which started in Europe in the late 17th century, even though there are more people alive today than ever before, they are also healthier, longer lived, better educated and far far richer than ever before. And per capita the last 80 years have been the most peaceful 80 years in human history. But Donald Trump and his team of anti-enlightenment nitwits are determined to put a stop to all of that, you need to look no further than their astoundingly idiotic trade policy.
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May 8, 2025, 8:36:06 AM5/8/25
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I am not concerned with gretaness. I am concerned with survival. Our ability to survive as a nation state declined under King Joey. The trust you claim, only ran one-way. The Europeans protested the install of the Pershing missiles after the USSR installed SS20's. They danced to the tune that benefited the CCCP. Today? They dance to Qatari cash which Europe is flush with, all the time expecting us to fight Putin for them. Incongrience here. The export import imbalance was a thing by the wealthy to max profit and min loss. It has failed for the rest of us. Now? We will see if Don's hardball works for us or not? If not we can always go back to the Socialist International crap.
John Clark
May 8, 2025, 8:48:50 AM5/8/25
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> I am not concerned with gretaness. I am concerned with survival.
You believe your chances of survival are better if you take your medical advice from Donald Trump and Robert Brainworm Kennedy rather than Nobel Prize winning scientists?!
> Now? We will see if Don's hardball works for us or not?
Oh I'm sure that the richest man in the world, and Donald Trump, and Trump's cabinet full of billionaires, all have your best interest as their highest priority. And if you believe that then there's a Nigerian Prince that would like to talk to you.
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May 8, 2025, 8:50:30 AM5/8/25
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If one views progressivism as something reaching back nearly 400 years, you'd be mistaken. Team Rep is closer to Adam Smith & Milton Friedman. Team Dem is too busy doing socialism for their own upper class or trying to undermine the middle class. Example, Buttigeig was allocated 7.5 bil to create thousands of EV charging stations. Instead he took the 7.5 bil and gave it to EBT cards for illegals in country. Only 8 EV chargers were built. This is not the future I expected.
This is the Party way. Gemini, has links to its sources. But here is what it had to indicate. If the money had gone to technology building, you;d be accurate. Sadly it did not. Gemini-Google:
"Yes, there have been instances of fraud involving USAID funding to NGOs, as reported by the USAID Office of Inspector General (.gov) (OIG) and other sources.
These cases involve individuals and organizations diverting funds, submitting false claims, and engaging in other fraudulent activities.
Here's a more detailed look:
Types of Fraudulent Activities:
- Diversion of Funds:NGOs have been caught diverting USAID-funded commodities to terrorist groups or using them for other unauthorized purposes.
- False Claims:NGOs have submitted inflated invoices, fabricated documents, and engaged in kickback schemes to fraudulently obtain funds from USAID.
- Individual Fraud:Individuals working on USAID-funded projects have been charged with defrauding their employers or USAID directly, for example, by claiming housing benefits they weren't entitled to.
- Business Email Compromise (BEC) Scams:USAID OIG has reported that scammers are using BEC scams to steal USAID funds, often targeting NGOs.
Examples of Investigations and Actions:
- An investigation by USAID OIG led to a $6.9 million settlement with an international NGO for false claims related to aid to refugees in Syria.
- A Syrian national was charged with diverting millions of dollars in USAID funding to support a terrorist group.
- A finance officer in Papua New Guinea was charged with embezzling $117,341 from a USAID-funded program.
- A former project director of a North Carolina-based NGO was arrested and charged with defrauding the organization of approximately $240,000.
OIG's Role:
The USAID OIG plays a crucial role in investigating and addressing fraud and waste within USAID-funded programs. They conduct audits, investigations, and provide oversight to ensure the integrity of foreign assistance funding.
Beyond Fraud:
It's important to note that there are also instances of wasted spending and questionable use of funds by USAID, which may not necessarily constitute fraud but still represent a misuse of taxpayer money. "
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Well, Churchill said that experts should be on-tap, not on-top. Should we praise physicist, Nobelist, Philippe Lenard, for his physics or his embrace of Hitler?
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May 8, 2025, 9:08:04 AM5/8/25
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> Team Rep is closer to Adam Smith & Milton Friedman.
BULLSHIT!! Adam Smith & Milton Friedman were both ferociously strong advocates of free trade, but Donald Trump and his team of billionaire troglodytes are the exact opposite of that. Both Smith and Friedman insisted that free trade promotes economic efficiency and consumer welfare and trade barriers only benefit special interests not the general public; and they said international trade drives innovation and keeps domestic producers from becoming lazy and complacent.
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May 8, 2025, 9:22:29 AM5/8/25
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> Well, Churchill said that experts should be on-tap, not on-top.
Churchill was a great man but he was not always right, he was responsible for the Dardanelles blunder during the first world war when he was first Lord of the Admiralty, it very nearly destroyed his entire political career. It certainly didn't enhance his reputation, and neither did the above quotation.
> Should we praise physicist, Nobelist, Philippe Lenard, for his physics or his embrace of Hitler?
I don't think I need to answer that silly question, but feel free to gargle with Clorox or do any other silly thing that Trump or Kennedy claims will improve your health.
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May 8, 2025, 11:13:46 AM5/8/25
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I am not concerned with gretaness.
Then make the list less "gretaness" again.
I am concerned with survival. Our ability to survive as a nation state declined under King Joey. The trust you claim, only ran one-way. The Europeans protested the install of the Pershing missiles after the USSR installed SS20's. They danced to the tune that benefited the CCCP. Today? They dance to Qatari cash which Europe is flush with, all the time expecting us to fight Putin for them. Incongrience here. The export import imbalance was a thing by the wealthy to max profit and min loss. It has failed for the rest of us. Now? We will see if Don's hardball works for us or not? If not we can always go back to the Socialist International crap.
Chill with the straw men and make some attempt to engage in discussion instead of the whataboutism deluge. It makes your position seem - what's the Maga term for this again - ah yes "weak". Nobody reasonable would dispute your concern about fraud or waste—whether it’s in USAID, EV chargers, or anywhere else. Misuse of public funds should be exposed and corrected. The fact that you think that "team progressive" is walking around trying to defend fraud and waste... I admire the openness but you're proving with every post how you'll believed any contrived, out-of-context statement. Fraud and waste do matter. But let’s be real about scale and focus.
A few bad actors siphoning $6 million or a poorly executed rollout of EV chargers should be criticized. But these stories are small fires compared to the inferno of wealth transfer the US continues to quietly normalized. Trump's 2017 tax cuts handed $1.9 trillion to the top income brackets. His businesses profited directly from government travel and campaign events. COVID relief saw hundreds of billions flow to corporations that laid off workers anyway. So the question isn’t: “Is waste bad?” Of course it is. But you lack belief in your own judgement and ability to question, instead always paroting your MAGA media consumption. Because why not ask: "Why am I only being fed/parotting outrage when it’s helping someone poorer than me?"
Because let’s face it: a lot of this fraud-flavored outrage isn’t about corruption. It’s emotional bait. It’s algorithmically optimized to tell you that someone somewhere—immigrant, aid recipient, poor foreigner—is stealing your money. But you’re not supposed to get angry when a billionaire parks your tax refund in the Caymans or buys back stock with bailout money. That silence? That’s designed. And your whataboutism propagates it. And then we come to the word you use: survival. If we really mean “survival,” then it has to mean systems-level thinking: infrastructure, education, housing, energy, clean air, economic dignity. Not just here—but abroad too. Because starving kids/parents don’t stay put. Collapsing states become migratory pressure points. Survival means reducing the instability that breeds collapse, and that’s what public investment and foreign aid should do—when managed well.
And that leads to the heart of it: relevance and responsibility. The problem isn’t that aid or green tech investments are fraudulent. It’s that you don't demand better from those with actual power. If you believe in accountability, then start asking: Why is it that corruption at the bottom enrages you, but corruption at the top earns loyalty, cults of personality, and silence?
If you're serious about national survival, then start demanding returns from the real beneficiaries of this privileged system built around the dollar: the hedge/investment funds, the monopolies, silicon valley, the families with dynastic wealth. And if they scream “class war,” why not let them? They’re cleaning the floor with you guys; dominating you up to the flavor/direction of your outrage as I demonstrate here. Helping people isn’t the problem. Mismanaging it isn’t an excuse. Worshipping power while punching down is exactly what your dreaded elite wants you to do: Sit around online and post your outrage instead of getting ahead by asking the those with the resources/influence where your cut is from the Dollar privilege and global financial dominion. That would get you your hydrogen car but I don't think you even want that. You'd rather cling to your obviously engineered outrage and continue whataboutism.
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May 8, 2025, 12:45:25 PM5/8/25
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Spuddude, your MAGA guys are doing serious FAFO nowadays.
The embassy of the USA (soon the people's democratic Republic of America) demanded of the city of Stockholm that the city are required to stop behave in an inclusive manner. Just because an embassy says so.
Right, fuck you.
The threat, the city of Stockholm won't be allowed to sell stuff to the usa, that's is a threat with reaaal weight. Or as the mayor equivalent says, very literally, the usa can fuck of and import their water, food and what not from somewhere else.
We can discuss a reduktion in whatever Swedish policy's when you scrap your 2 amendment. Afterwards, I mean you are not to be trusted right now, to much dementia up top.
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I am not wedded to Friedman or Smith. I go John Maynard Keynes depending entirely upon the circumstances? Yes, in case of deflation-depression, break glass to criculate cash into an economy. Today? Let's see if this Tariff policy works in real life? Starmer seemed to be good with it. But I won't know until impact is experienced. Roll the dice and see if this pays out?
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The bleach thing was a joke and I watched when DJT was yapping about it live back then. Churchill and Roosevelt both, for wartime reasons permitted Adolf to burn my peeps up up, like a roast at a Tx BBQ place-I still love the guys! They won, so we could all listen to the Dulcet tones of Elvis, and the Temptations. Also. to have a nice space race. Based on the occasional comment on this wee forum, I still am not worshipping a physicist in a lab coat regarding, Politics, But a few I tend, seriously, to follow, Yea! Theologiocally.
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May 9, 2025, 6:46:37 AM5/9/25
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I am noit deciding to forget about an untraceable 4.7 tril in US treasury payouts. Here's Google-Gemini.
"The U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) reported that approximately $4.7 trillion in Treasury payments were previously missing critical traceability codes, specifically the Treasury Account Symbol (TAS).
The TAS is an identification code that links a Treasury payment to a specific budget line item, enabling financial transparency. The issue was that the TAS field was optional for these payments, and often left blank, making it difficult to track where the money was going. As of February 17, 2025, the TAS field is now a mandatory requirement for all Treasury payments, aiming to increase transparency and accountability, as reported by DOGE on X."
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Well, the political agenda, paid for, by say George Soros, his baby brother Klaus Schwab, (Retired!) the EU, the WEF, seem not to function well at all in the streets of the US or the world. Enjoy the under-funding of defense, in dealing with Vlad and the embrace of the importation of hostile foreigners too! Very impressive.
I am no great US super-patriot, I am more of a pragmatist. Does something work well, or poorly?I hold this old article to be factual, in any case. Thus, we all work with what we have got or has got us.
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On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 6:34 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> I am not wedded to Friedman or Smith.
Obviously.
> Let's see if this Tariff policy works in real life
It has about as much chance of working as gargling with Clorox has of turning out to be a good way to prevent Covid. And when it fails, which won't take long, Trump will at first deny that it is failing but when that denial becomes impossible he will insist that the colossal blunder was entirely Joe Biden's fault and he had nothing to do with it. I mean how could it, it failed yet Trump never fails therefore the only logical conclusion is that Trump must've had nothing to do with those astronomically high tariffs. It's a simple Aristotelian syllogism. Right?
> Starmer seemed to be good with it
Trump said that. Starmer most certainly did not.
> Roll the dice and see if this pays out
In other words you and Trump are advocating that the economic policy of the USA should be random mutation and natural selection. Well that's the way biological brains got invented but it took about 3 billion years to go from the first living cell to something that could be called a primitive brain. It also entailed an astronomical amount of suffering. But humans, or at least most humans, have brains so we could do things much faster; the first electronic computer is only about 80 years old but today we have an AI that is smarter than most people about most things and much smarter than any person about some things, and they are still evolving at a far far faster rate than anything biological evolution can manage.
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May 9, 2025, 7:42:04 AM5/9/25
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On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 6:46 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> The U.S. Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) reported [blah blah blah]
You must be among the couple of dozen people on the planet who still believes anything that very silly thing called "DOGE" says! I hate to break it to you but the fact is the richest man in the world may have reasons for not always telling the unvarnished truth.
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I’ve tried to make this exchange productive by engaging seriously with the points you’ve raised—even conceding that fraud, inefficiency, and poor implementation exist on all sides of the political spectrum. I've acknowledged that progressive and conservative policies both have room for improvement, and I’ve treated your concerns about spending and accountability with the seriousness they deserve. But when every question I pose—about the real economic costs of tariffs, the erosion of trust in U.S. financial leadership, the ethics of cutting aid to the neediest, the long-term weakening of democratic institutions, reasearch, and academic freedom—is simply sidestepped with whataboutism, conspiracy innuendo, or another story meant to provoke moral panic, then we’re no longer having a discussion. You’re performing ideological theater while I am struggling to find traces of good faith or just a single fresh point of view.
Whataboutism is not dialogue. It’s a rhetorical strategy designed to flood the field, evade accountability, and ensure that questions flow only in one direction. That’s not conversation. It’s deflection. It’s why serious questions about economic stability, public trust, and basic decency go unanswered while social media outrage cycles churn endlessly through keywords like “Soros,” “WEF,” and “illegal aliens”—not to clarify anything, but to activate suspicion and tribal rage. If your goal is to reinforce team narratives, to rehearse the enemy lines of a culture war, then I encourage you to take that performance to lists where it still works. There, you’ll find people who confuse slogans for policy and emotional validation for truth.
But here, I’d prefer not to waste time. I’ve posed real questions about how your proposals will actually deliver peace, economic prosperity, or trust. I’ve asked where the lower and middle class find the promised salvation in your vision. Where peace on earth is. I’ve challenged the ethics of abandoning the vulnerable when the US budget easily allows for their protection. And I've asked why you keep asking questions in a woke forum while simultaneously repeatedly assuming everybody to be ideologically captured? The amount of posts from you and their deflection makes whataboutism pretty clear by now. If none of those questions merit even a hint of reply—just more deflection—then the conversation has run its course. T
Whataboutism is not dialogue. It’s a rhetorical strategy designed to flood the field, evade accountability, and ensure that questions flow only in one direction. That’s not conversation. It’s deflection. It’s why serious questions about economic stability, public trust, and basic decency go unanswered while social media outrage cycles churn endlessly through keywords like “Soros,” “WEF,” and “illegal aliens”—not to clarify anything, but to activate suspicion and tribal rage. If your goal is to reinforce team narratives, to rehearse the enemy lines of a culture war, then I encourage you to take that performance to lists where it still works. There, you’ll find people who confuse slogans for policy and emotional validation for truth.
But here, I’d prefer not to waste time. I’ve posed real questions about how your proposals will actually deliver peace, economic prosperity, or trust. I’ve asked where the lower and middle class find the promised salvation in your vision. Where peace on earth is. I’ve challenged the ethics of abandoning the vulnerable when the US budget easily allows for their protection. And I've asked why you keep asking questions in a woke forum while simultaneously repeatedly assuming everybody to be ideologically captured? The amount of posts from you and their deflection makes whataboutism pretty clear by now. If none of those questions merit even a hint of reply—just more deflection—then the conversation has run its course. T
Talking to a wall would be more fruitful. At least the wall doesn’t try to rewrite history or ban the books that explain how these systems work. Instead of the constant deflection, just read up on economics, international financial flows, geopolitics, history, or the US constitution... Get a library card with online access before someone decides all of this is too woke to read.
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May 9, 2025, 6:24:33 PM5/9/25
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On Fri, May 9, 2025 at 6:43 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> The bleach thing was a joke
Like hell it was! Have you even looked at that video? I don't see how you could've because Trump was dead serious. And by the way, that momentous trade deal with the UK that Trump was bragging about turned out to be a classic nothing burger, the one and only concrete thing that came out of it was that Trump agreed to reduce the tariff on Rolls Royce automobiles from 25% to 10%. I'm sure that will come as a huge relief to his working class MAGA followers that billionaires won't have to spend so much on their super luxury cars.
> Churchill and Roosevelt both, for wartime reasons permitted Adolf to burn my peeps up up, like a roast at a Tx BBQ
Permitted Adolf? They both spent trillions of dollars and tens of thousands of their countrymen's lives to stop Adolf!
> I still am not worshipping a physicist in a lab coat
But you are willing to worship Donald Fucking Trump!
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May 10, 2025, 7:19:54 AM5/10/25
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Mutation and risk taking are worth a try, The Business Cycle closes at some point. Personally, I would never have thrown a lifeline to Starmer. But then I play the short game. I look back on the world since 1945 and credit those old pols with doing quite well. But the institutions since then, have become inherited by less and less qualified offsrping.
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May 10, 2025, 7:32:07 AM5/10/25
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I am number 11. The corruption fundung DNC NGO's has been ginormous. Mind you, if they were any good, the outcry would have been deafening. I am disappointed that the 47K spent on the Trans opera wasn't teleivised however. However, I was ok with watching the Chicago Bulls lose.
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May 10, 2025, 7:35:04 AM5/10/25
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Whataboudism is a socialist invention where one can never compare and contrast. Please feel free to declare victory and have a nice life.
John Clark
May 10, 2025, 8:23:24 AM5/10/25
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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 7:20 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> Mutation and risk taking are worth a try,
Before you start turning knobs at random in the control room of a nuclear reactor it might be a good idea to at least glance at the operating manual. And the world economy is far more complex than a nuclear reactor. Taking a huge risk might be a good idea if it was a desperate situation and doing nothing would be an even bigger risk, but that is not the case. The US economy was doing great, it recovered from Covid much faster than any other large economy, but Trump believes if something is NOT broken then you need to fix it. Take a look at the picture below, it's from the cover of the British magazine "The Economist" way way back in the olden days of October 19, 2024. They sure as hell wouldn't print a cover like that today!
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May 10, 2025, 11:53:01 AM5/10/25
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My confidence in the Economist has shriveled over the past few years, so its not a sales pitch that will work upon me. What follows is my shit list for the Economist. Not in hopes of convincing you, merely to justify my reasoning.
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May 10, 2025, 2:08:59 PM5/10/25
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On Sat, May 10, 2025 at 11:53 AM 'spudb...@aol.com' via Everything List <everyth...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> How often is The Economist proved wrong?
The Economist was certainly wrong when back in October it predicted the US economy would continue growing at an extremely rapid rate, they didn't take into account the possibility that Donald Trump could win the election, and they vastly underestimated the jaw dropping imbecility of the man.
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--> Mutation and risk taking are worth a try,Before you start turning knobs at random in the control room of a nuclear reactor it might be a good idea to at least glance at the operating manual. And the world economy is far more complex than a nuclear reactor. Taking a huge risk might be a good idea if it was a desperate situation and doing nothing would be an even bigger risk, but that is not the case. The US economy was doing great, it recovered from Covid much faster than any other large economy, but Trump believes if something is NOT broken then you need to fix it. Take a look at the picture below, it's from the cover of the British magazine "The Economist" way way back in the olden days of October 19, 2024. They sure as hell wouldn't print a cover like that today!John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis7v2It has about as much chance of working as gargling with Clorox has of turning out to be a good way to prevent Covid. And when it fails, which won't take long, Trump will at first deny that it is failing but when that denial becomes impossible he will insist that the colossal blunder was entirely Joe Biden's fault and he had nothing to do with it. I mean how could it, it failed yet Trump never fails therefore the only logical conclusion is that Trump must've had nothing to do with those astronomically high tariffs. It's a simple Aristotelian syllogism. Right?> Starmer seemed to be good with itTrump said that. Starmer most certainly did not.> Roll the dice and see if this pays outIn other words you and Trump are advocating that the economic policy of the USA should be random mutation and natural selection. Well that's the way biological brains got invented but it took about 3 billion years to go from the first living cell to something that could be called a primitive brain. It also entailed an astronomical amount of suffering. But humans, or at least most humans, have brains so we could do things much faster; the first electronic computer is only about 80 years old but today we have an AI that is smarter than most people about most things and much smarter than any person about some things, and they are still evolving at a far far faster rate than anything biological evolution can manage.--https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv08K%3DWia3eqdrWkDfBEYDpc_rGTpFLn4WzW%3D15vqnDeTw%40mail.gmail.com
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John I have been waiting for a recession for 4 years including when Joey held office. We may get one this year, and you'll be in ecxtasy. It my upend the Republicans in 2026. Your gal AOC may be prez in 2028! Enjoy! For me the political take on The Economist suck pig dick for political reasons alone. Aside from being, as most British are, inately anti-American. But that is what makes Baseball.
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