Django newbie issues

[Janelle O'Dea]

Hi all,

I have two separate Django questions. 

One: I am trying to learn how to use Django on my computer (Mac OS, Mavericks) and was first getting the error "unable to open database" when running "python manage.py syncdb." To fix it, I followed instructions from here: https://coderwall.com/p/gl_grw 

Now, I can't save settings.py. I realize this may have to do with the advice to change permissions on the page I just linked to; how can I change them back? 

When I run the "python manage.py syncdb" command now, it tells me there's a syntax error in settings.py. When I try to fix settings.py and save it, it tells me ERRNO 13 permission denied. 

I'm mainly trying to get a feel for Django because I may want to use it in the near future. 

Two: At my workplace, someone produced a Django app on Ubuntu. The app is a source database for reporters to view and add to (I work at a newspaper). The main question: can I get the source information out of this database so that we can recover it and use it, even if the original creator of this app/database is not available? He isn't responding to phone calls or emails, and bosses want me to see if I can extract the info. I've never worked in Ubuntu before. 

Thanks for any help that anyone can provide. 

[Mike Dewhirst]

Janelle

Your quickest solution is to reveal your location and ask for someone to
help out on a short-term basis. There are heaps of Django people
everywhere and many inhabit this list.

What you are asking for is possibly quite easy but can defeat you if you
are unfamiliar with the environment/infrastructure or don't have the
necessary password at hand. You have to know where to look.

In any case try this on Ubuntu

1. In a terminal enter python manage.py runserver

2. Cross your fingers

3. In a browser on the same machine visit ...

http://127.0.0.1:8000/admin

If you can't get past there start looking in settings for clues.

Good luck

Mike

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[Janelle O'Dea]

Thank you, Mike. I haven't tried your first option yet, but I will either today or tomorrow. What kinds of clues would I look for in settings? Also: any ideas about my first question?

Everyone: I'm in Naples, Florida. If anyone is in the Southwest Florida area and wants to try and help, I'll get you a Randy's key lime pie. Or take you out for seafood. Or something. 

[Mike Dewhirst]

On 8/07/2014 2:22 AM, Janelle O'Dea wrote:
> Thank you, Mike. I haven't tried your first option yet, but I will
> either today or tomorrow. What kinds of clues would I look for in
> settings?

Django needs credentials to access the database and there should be a
mechanism specified in settings to get them. I don't keep such things
directly in my settings because I keep them under version control. But
if you had unfettered acccess to my machine you could discover where
they are. You say you have the Ubuntu machine in question so you might
be able to find them.

The fingers crossed part is because the developer might have settled for
the Django Admin superuser credentials being the same as for the database.

If not, but you do have the database credentials you can dump the db,
start another Django project with the same source code and load a new
database to gain complete access to everything.

Also: any ideas about my first question?

No. I'm not a Mac person. But permissions on Macs are (I believe) the
same as for Linux/Unix.

Good luck

Mike

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[Janelle O'Dea]

Again, super helpful. I just have a few more (hopefully not terribly obvious) questions: this mechanism specified in settings.py; will I access settings.py the same way as manage.py? python settings.py runserver?

If I find the credentials for the database (if they aren't in settings.py, I probably don't have them...am I screwed?) how can I get to and dump the db?

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If they aren't in settings, then the software would never have worked
(if it needed a DB) :)

You can just open settings.py with a text editor - notepad, wordpad,
gedit, emacs/vim, even word if you want. It's just a text file.

Cheers
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[Janelle]

I've never worked in Ubuntu before, but from what I understand, there is no text editor or Word or anything like that; everything is done through the command line and there is no "desktop." 

So, how would I open settings.py with Ubuntu? 

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There are a lot of graphical user interfaces available for Linux, and Ubuntu bundles some of them. And there are a lot of text editos (like Sublime)
In command line you could use some command line editor like "vim" or "nano" or "emacs" or "F4" in Midnight Commander.

But I believe you need to read some books or tutorials about Ubuntu before.


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On 9/07/2014 6:24 AM, Janelle wrote:
> I've never worked in Ubuntu before, but from what I understand, there is
> no text editor or Word or anything like that; everything is done through

> the command line and there is no "desktop."Â
>
> So, how would I open settings.py with Ubuntu?Â

You could try something like the Filezilla FTP client which will give
you a pseudo-desktop and let you view files using a familiar editor. You
would need login credentials of course.

The learning curves are not terribly steep but it seems you are facing a
number of them.

Ilya is correct but you might make faster progress if you set out the
problem(s) and ask for a local contractor to get in touch.

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> On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Lachlan Musicman <dat...@gmail.com
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> If they aren't in settings, then the software would never have worked
> (if it needed a DB) :)
>
> You can just open settings.py with a text editor - notepad, wordpad,
> gedit, emacs/vim, even word if you want. It's just a text file.
>
> Cheers
> L.
>
> On 8 July 2014 14:05, Janelle O'Dea <jnod...@gmail.com

> >> > Â Â Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > Â Â I have two separate Django questions.
> >> >
> >> > Â Â One: I am trying to learn how to use Django on my
> computer (Mac OS,
> >> > Â Â Mavericks) and was first getting the error "unable to
> open database"
> >> > Â Â when running "python manage.py syncdb." To fix it, I
> followed
> >> > Â Â instructions from here: https://coderwall.com/p/gl_grw
> >> > Â Â <https://coderwall.com/p/gl_grw>
> >> > Â Â Now, I can't save settings.py. I realize this may have
> to do with
> >> > Â Â the advice to change permissions on the page I just
> linked to; how
> >> > Â Â can I change them back?
> >> > Â Â When I run the "python manage.py syncdb" command now, it
> tells me
> >> > Â Â there's a syntax error in settings.py. When I try to fix
> settings.py
> >> > Â Â and save it, it tells me ERRNO 13 permission denied.
> >> > Â Â I'm mainly trying to get a feel for Django because I may
> want to use
> >> > Â Â it in the near future.
> >> >
> >> > Â Â Two: At my workplace, someone produced a Django app on
> Ubuntu. The
> >> > Â Â app is a source database for reporters to view and add
> to (I work at
> >> > Â Â a newspaper). The main question: can I get the source
> information
> >> > Â Â out of this database so that we can recover it and use
> it, even if
> >> > Â Â the original creator of this app/database is not
> available? He isn't
> >> > Â Â responding to phone calls or emails, and bosses want me
> to see if I
> >> > Â Â can extract the info. I've never worked in Ubuntu before.
> >> >
> >> > Â Â Thanks for any help that anyone can provide.

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[Lachlan Musicman]

On 9 July 2014 06:24, Janelle <jnod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've never worked in Ubuntu before, but from what I understand, there is no
> text editor or Word or anything like that; everything is done through the
> command line and there is no "desktop."
>
> So, how would I open settings.py with Ubuntu?
>

GEdit is a text editor that comes with Ubuntu by default if it is a
desktop computer. If you only have command line access, use "less" or
"more", which are both pre-installed.

less /path/settings.py

or

more /path/settings.py

Ilya is technically correct ("vim" or "nano" or "emacs"), although
these are explicitly editors. You only need to read the file, so less
or more should be sufficient.

cheers
L.

[Janelle]

Thanks, all, for the advice. 

I am facing a number of learning curves, and I appreciate that you all take time from the more advanced work you do to help me out. I'll seek someone local. 

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literally the equivalent of Notepad, less and more are what the 70s
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L.

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The idea is that a beautiful image is frameable. Everything you need

to see is there: It’s everything you want, and it’s very pleasing
because there’s no extra information that you don’t get to see.

Everything’s in a nice package for you. But sublime art is
unframeable: It’s an image or idea that implies that there’s a bigger
image or idea that you can’t see: You’re only getting to look at a
fraction of it, and in that way it’s both beautiful and scary, because

it’s reminding you that there’s more that you don’t have access to.

It’s now sort of left the piece itself and it’s become your own
invention, so it’s personal as well as being scary as well as being