AB 1188 Bicycle DRIVER Handbook

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Jim Baross

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Mar 11, 2023, 12:57:01 PM3/11/23
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Bob Shanteau

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Mar 13, 2023, 2:24:12 AM3/13/23
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Better yet would be a requirement that the CHP Redi Ref include the exceptions for CVC 21201. (We can dream, can't we?

Bob Shanteau

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Judy Frankel

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Bob Shanteau

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Yes, I meant CVC 21202. Thanks.

clint.sandusky

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Mar 13, 2023, 7:42:28 PM3/13/23
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Folks,

The CHP's Redi-Ref is only a drop in the bucket!

More widely used here in CA and beyond by the vast majority of municipal, county, and specialized agencies officers is what I used for 23+ years as a police officer (as attached).  At least it shows the first three exceptions.  Perhaps I'll reach out to them to ADD the 4th (where right turns are authorized).

Clint Sandusky
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Bob Shanteau

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Mar 13, 2023, 7:53:04 PM3/13/23
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Clint,

I see it's from Lowtech Publishing Group. Do you know if they're responsive to constructive input?

Bob Shanteau

David Takemoto-Weerts

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Mar 13, 2023, 8:02:05 PM3/13/23
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Isn't the real problem with this document's 21202 text for (a)(3) that it doesn't list the specific conditions under which it applies? I can imagine many LEOs, or the public in general, not even thinking about "substandard width lanes". 

CVC 21202(a)(3):"When reasonably necessary to avoid conditions (including, but not limited to, fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes) that make it unsafe to continue along the right-hand curb or edge, subject to the provisions of Section 21656. For purposes of this section, a “substandard width lane” is a lane that is too narrow for a bicycle and a vehicle to travel safely side by side within the lane."

David Takemoto-Weerts
Davis, CA

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clint.sandusky

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Mar 13, 2023, 8:05:32 PM3/13/23
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We'll see!

Clint



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clint.sandusky

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Mar 14, 2023, 12:29:53 AM3/14/23
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Jim - Sent request to contact me...





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... and a lane too narrow ...

clint.sandusky

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Mar 14, 2023, 12:31:47 AM3/14/23
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See attachment.

Clint
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Serge Issakov

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Mar 14, 2023, 3:20:52 AM3/14/23
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Yes. 

1000x yes. 

The missing exception 4 (right turns) is trivial compared to the missing narrow lane info for #3. 

Serge


Gary Cziko

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Mar 14, 2023, 11:16:43 AM3/14/23
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 12:20 AM Serge Issakov <serge....@gmail.com> wrote:

Yes. 

1000x yes. 

The missing exception 4 (right turns) is trivial compared to the missing narrow lane info for #3. 

Serge

The exception for anywhere a right turn is authorized is important for places where there are truly wide lanes because of the frequent presence of residential and commercial driveways.

Although it is probably more important for 21208, the mandatory bike lane law where the narrow lane exception doesn't exist and the right-turn exception effectively makes many if not most bike lanes optional.

--Gary

Clinton Sandusky

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Gary & Serge - Good thoughts!  I will include them in my hopeful communications with the publisher (LawTech Publishing Group) of the Qwik-Codes.

Clint


Jim Baross

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Mar 14, 2023, 12:09:42 PM3/14/23
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Clint. Great, thanks! 
I sort of wonder if it would be helpful to provide them with short proposed wording for the ready ref that encapsulates the intent but without all the text. How about text just saying bikes may be in the way except, and then fill in the blanks because the exceptions list is shorter than the vehicle code list?

Michael Graff

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Mar 14, 2023, 1:03:19 PM3/14/23
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In the past, we've suggested turning the logic around.

Instead of this: "Keep right except when one of these conditions is true"

Write it like this: "May use the entire lane under ANY of these conditions"

And list those conditions in order of importance. Start with "lane too narrow to share", probably.

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Gary Cziko

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Mar 14, 2023, 5:24:30 PM3/14/23
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Here's the CyclingSavvy flowchart approach to presenting CVC 21202 which I believe I've shared here before. It is part of the California Addendum to the California version of Bicycling Street Smarts.

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Jim Baross

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Mar 14, 2023, 6:01:22 PM3/14/23
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Now distill it?

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John Serafin

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Mar 14, 2023, 9:18:34 PM3/14/23
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On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 02:23:52PM -0700, Gary Cziko wrote:
> Here's the CyclingSavvy flowchart approach to presenting CVC 21202 which I
> believe I've shared here before. It is part of the California Addendum to
> the California version of Bicycling Street Smarts
> <https://cyclingsavvy.org/streetsmarts/ca/>.


Why is it that nobody on either side ever assigns any relevance to the
"but not limited to" clause?


> --Gary


Serge Issakov

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Gary Cziko

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Isn’t “not limited to” covered by “ . . . encountering unsafe conditions on the edge”?

That flowchart it like good moonshine whisky for California cyclists!


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Serge Issakov

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Mar 14, 2023, 10:45:13 PM3/14/23
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Because, at least as far as I can tell, “fixed or moving objects, vehicles, bicycles, pedestrians, animals, surface hazards, or substandard width lanes” is pretty exhaustive. 

The story I remember is there was a meeting about 21202 where Forester listed all the reasons to not require cyclists ride far right, and that list was taken and turned into the list of exceptions. 

Serge

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Clinton Sandusky

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Jim Baross

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Mar 15, 2023, 2:23:25 AM3/15/23
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Then later the right turn exception got added. 
Who recalls how that happened?

clint.sandusky

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Mar 15, 2023, 10:11:05 AM3/15/23
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The ABEA/CyclingSavvy CVC 21202 Video explains the history of the statute.

Clint



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Alan Wachtel

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Mar 20, 2023, 10:13:48 PM3/20/23
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Jim Baross wrote:
Then later the right turn exception got added. 
Who recalls how that happened?

That was added by SB 515 of the 1995-96 legislative session, known as the Safe Bicyclist Protection Act, which took effect in 1997. The bill was authored by Senator Lucy Killea of San Diego, and either sponsored by or developed in close cooperation with CABO. Besides adding the right-turn exception to §§21202 and 21208, it limited mandatory bicycle licensing to residents and removed the authority of local agencies to impound unregistered bicycles (both of which had been subject to abuse), and made some additional minor changes. A lot of other good stuff was lost during the legislative process.

I remember writing the right-turn language, and I may have written other language in the bill (though it's hard to be sure after so many years), including most of the legislative findings and declarations:

The Legislature finds and declares all of the following:
(a) Bicycles are a legitimate means of transportation used by many Californians on state and local streets and highways.
(b) Bicyclists have the same rights and responsibilities as the drivers of motor vehicles.
(c) Bicyclists are entitled to the full use of the state’s streets and highways, unless otherwise prohibited, including safe use and passage on the roadway.
(d) Bicycles are an integral part of the state’s transportation system.
(e) It is in the best interests of California to encourage bicycle transportation because the result is a reduction in traffic congestion and motor vehicle noise and pollution.
(f) The United States Department of Transportation’s National Bicycling and Walking Study recently established a goal to reduce bicycling and pedestrian injuries by 10 percent.
(g) Efforts to improve safety and convenience for bicyclists are a proper use of transportation funds.
~ Alan

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