Saptarishi Nadi (ஸப்தரிஷி நாடி) - Madras Government Oriental Series

[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Scholars,

   Namaste!

   I would like to know whether this book is available on the net anywhere for all the 12 lagnas. I have seen the printed copy only for the first six available at BORI.

   On the net I could trace only the copy of Kanya Lagnam.

   Any English translation of this important book ?

   Thanks and regards

   Narayan Prasad

[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Scholars,

     Namaste!

     The soft copy of "Saptarishi Nadi (Kanya Lagnam)" - in two parts (Part-I - 784 pp; Part-II - 626 pp), is available here:

           https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.117332/page/n1

     It was scanned from a copy available at  University of Jodhpur Library.

     

    Another copy of the first six lagnas are available at Madras Oriental Library: 
         https://yenbeeyes.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/சப்தரிஷிநாடி/#comments
         "For the first 6 Lagnas beginning from Aries to Virgo, one copy of a printed book is available in Madras Oriental Library. They also do not allow us to scan the book."

   But in the copy available  for Kanya Lagnam on the net, the following pages are missing:

      Part-I : pp.200, 201, 205, 412, 413, 442, 443, 492, 493.

      Part-II: pp.602, 603.

      Page not properly readable: Part-II: p.13.

      Pages duplicate: Part-I: pp.554, 555.

     Regards

     Narayan Prasad

      

[shankara]

Narayan Prasad ji,

DLI collection had a poor scan of 'Meshalagna', I am not able to trace at archive.org. I have uploaded it to https://archive.org/details/saptarisinadimeshalagnamknatesan1951mgos

regards
shankara

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[Narayan Prasad]

Shri Shankara Mahodaya,

    Namaste.

    Thank you so much for uploading the file for Mesha Lagna.

     

    The following pages are missing:

            450, 451, 478, 552, 553, 558, 692, 887

    Duplicate pages:

            360, 361, 778, 840, 841, 886, 899

    Triplicate pages:

            118, 119, 898

     The range of pages in which the back page comes earlier than the front page: 

           780-807; 900-to the end.

      BTW, I have put all the pages in order and removed superfluous duplicate and triplicate pages. If this file is required, I can send it.

      

       Reprint of Saptarishi Nadi (2015) by Shree Prabha Publications

          

               Mesha Lagna

                        https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/saptharishi-naadi-astrology-in-tamil-NZN474/

               Rishabh Lagna

                        https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/saptarishi-nadi-astrology-tamil-NZL746/

               Mithuna Lagna

                        https://www.exoticindiaart.com/book/details/saptarishi-nadi-astrology-tamil-NZL748/

      Thanks and regards

      Narayan Prasad

On Friday, 26 July 2019 20:21:50 UTC+5:30, shankara wrote:

Narayan Prasad ji,

DLI collection had a poor scan of 'Meshalagna', I am not able to trace at archive.org. I have uploaded it to https://archive.org/details/saptarisinadimeshalagnamknatesan1951mgos

regards
shankara

On Friday, 26 July, 2019, 7:34:50 pm IST, Narayan Prasad <hin...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Scholars,

     Namaste!

     The soft copy of "Saptarishi Nadi (Kanya Lagnam)" - in two parts (Part-I - 784 pp; Part-II - 626 pp), is available here:

           https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.117332/page/n1

     It was scanned from a copy available at  University of Jodhpur Library.

     

    Another copy of the first six lagnas are available at Madras Oriental Library: 
         https://yenbeeyes.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/சப்தரிஷிநாடி/#comments
         "For the first 6 Lagnas beginning from Aries to Virgo, one copy of a printed book is available in Madras Oriental Library. They also do not allow us to scan the book."

   But in the copy available  for Kanya Lagnam on the net, the following pages are missing:

      Part-I : pp.200, 201, 205, 412, 413, 442, 443, 492, 493.

      Part-II: pp.602, 603.

      Page not properly readable: Part-II: p.13.

      Pages duplicate: Part-I: pp.554, 555.

     Regards

     Narayan Prasad

      

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[shankara]

Narayan Prasadji,

Please send the revised PDF by email or via Google drive. I will replace the defective file at archive.org with the new one.

regards
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[Narayan Prasad]

Here is the link:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1ZODqmXMcd0iWHpLEehh1jJfG4rcOde4z

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[shankara]

Narayan Prasad ji,

I have replaced the old file with the revised pdf. Link is same.

regards
shankara

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[Narayan Prasad]

<<I have replaced the old file with the revised pdf. Link is same.>>

OK. Thanks.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

I've written to Exotic India to see if they can obtain the full set
from the publisher. If they can, I'll try to negotiate a price for the
set and see where that gets us.
WorldCat doesn't bring up holdings of these, but it could be that they
are catalogued differently.
So far I haven't come across anybody who has seen the complications
for Libra, Scorpio and Sagittarius in person. Is it certain that all
12 volumes exist?
So that we don't double up in the search, please coud you list what
you've tried already to locate these books.

Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Is it certain that all 12 volumes exist? >>

I have seen printed copy only for the initial six lagnas.

<<So that we don't double up in the search, please coud you list what you've tried already to locate these books.>>

As already pointed out, Shree Prabha Publications appear to have published for the first three lagnas. From the preview it appears that this 2015 edition is differently arranged from the earlier ones published under Madras Government Oriental Series (MGOS).

Regards

Narayan Prasad

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[Irene Galstian]

Thank you.
Exotic India can supply the Shree Prabha versions only. Is it still
useful to obtain them, or only the original MGOS volumes are relevant?
Rearrangement can be a significant alteration.

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[Irene Galstian]

Oh wait...

https://cul.worldcat.org/title/saptarisi-nadi/oclc/40552911&referer=brief_results

This should be right here in our library.... I'll set off there once
they open today and confirm later in the day. If our library has it,
we've already made some progress, since they seem to have up to and
including Kanya.

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Rearrangement can be a significant alteration. >>

Shree Prabha versions do not appear to contain the original old text, as the preview indicates.

Moreover, the presentation of the results are also completely different. The text has been made simple and in modern Tamil.

It is preferable to have a look at the available MGOS version on the net and the corresponding preview on the Exotic India site.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

Understood. I'll try to borrow the 6 MGOS volumes today and start
scanning them.
Please hang on for a couple of hours until the library opens, so I can
confirm what I could and couldn't get.

Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Please hang on for a couple of hours until the library opens, so I can confirm what I could and couldn't get.>>

OK. Thanks. Regards. Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

Got all 6 out. They vary in length:

Mesha 904p
Vrsabha 1447p
Mithuna 1050p
Karka 1267p
Simha 2007p
Kanya 626p

It might make sense to save the scans in 300 or so page blocks, since
the files will be gigantic otherwise. Please send
thoughts/instructions so I can get going.

As for the rest of the volumes, I've written to the person in charge
of library acquisitions to see if he's ever seen any of the volumes
after Kanya anywhere.

Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<<It might make sense to save the scans in 300 or so page blocks, since the files will be gigantic otherwise. Please send thoughts/instructions so I can get going.>>

It depends on how you want to save the scanned files. 

         If it is only the pdf format, a book could be divided into a few parts of about 300 to 500 pages. 

        Spacewise, it could be about 50 MB to a maximum of 100 MB per file.

        But if maximum resolution is the aim, better to save each scanned page (two pages of the printed text could be scanned as one) as tiff file and all such scanned tiff files in a single folder. From these tiff files one can prepare a single file of about 500 pp or so as pdf or djvu. 

 

   Regards

   Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

Add to this the time investment needed. I am willing to scan these
with my iPhone, which gives quite large file sizes, but I can put this
task on my to-do list and get through gradually. Based on previous
experience, the files come out readable, that was never a problem.

Irene

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[Yogananda CS]

Namaste,

I would go for Sri Narayana Ji's second suggestion - 2 pages in one tiff. If those high resolution scans are shared on Google drive, I offer to process and make sharable size PDFs.

Since these books seem rare, so it is good to have high resolution scans.

Regards. . .  Yoga

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[Irene Galstian]

Sorry, didn't finish the message.
I'd normally save the scans as PDFs. Fancy things, like saving each
page separately, I can't do for reasons of time, sorry. If having a
number of 300 page PDFs solves your problem and can potentially make
these books available to others, I will gradually do it.

Irene

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[Irene Galstian]

I understand, but I can't commit this kind of time, nor do I have a
suitable app. As it is, scanning this set means scanning 3,500+ 2-page
scans. In addition, the books are very thick, e.g. the Simha one is
about 12cm, so laying these flat enough to scan while still protecting
the spine to preserve the book's life is going to be needed.

Irene

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[Yogananda CS]

Yes, it is a very laborious job. Without assistance it could take many days.

Regards. . .  Yoga

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[Irene Galstian]

Let's try to optimise this somehow, assuming I'd still use the iPhone.

Question: who knows a good iOS app that can scan to tiff? I've got an
iPhone 6s iOS 12.1.4
and usually use ScannerPro (it can't do TIFFs). I've downloaded
Scanbot just now to test it in action. Please reply with your
suggestions so I can download and test them. If there's a way of
producing TIFFs as Yoga suggested, it might be possible to find it.

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< I understand, but I can't commit this kind of time, nor do I have a suitable app. As it is, scanning this set means scanning 3,500+ 2-page scans. In addition, the books are very thick, e.g. the Simha one is
about 12cm, so laying these flat enough to scan while still protecting the spine to preserve the book's life is going to be needed. >>

If iPhone is the most convenient for you to scan, and which should not damage the longevity of the book, only one printed page at a time has to be scanned. I think, the file type of this scan would be jpg. This also can be accumulated as one file to pdf or djvu format.

The work will be certainly a very time-consuming one. I think, in one sitting it may be a boring task to scan more than about 50 to 100 pages. Moreover, it all depends on your commitments in hand about important research oriented work. So this work is not expected to be done in a few days, but maybe months. 

Regards

Narayan Prasad

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Let's try to optimise this somehow, assuming I'd still use the iPhone.>>

Let it be iPhone. The tiff file scanning may be left out to Google. For common people pdf file will be sufficient, if the scans have enough readability.

I scan using HP Scanjet G3110. It does have facility to scan as tiff. Later I convert tiff files to pdf and djvu. Generally I delete tiff files, unless very high resolution is needed in rare cases.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

I've just scanned and shared the first 300 or so pages of Taurus, you
and Yoga should get the notifications soon. Please examine the scan. I
can only read Sanskrit in Tamil script, but if I were presented with
this scan, I'd say it's readable. Part of the problem is thin pages
with print showing through.

Irene

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[Yogananda CS]

Namaste,

I have got the notification, will take a look and get back. Thanks.

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[Irene Galstian]

I've just done the 2nd block of 300 pages, same folder.
I'll be away for a little while answering student queries, but will
continue scanning afterwards. If the scans are legible, then the whole
lot shouldn't take more than 2 weeks.

Question: do we rescan Kanya, or just scan the missing pages to
complete the archive.org file?

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[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Dr Irene Galstian,

    Namaste!

    It was a great pleasure to see scans of 170+151 sheets (one sheet containing 2 pp of the printed text) in so short time!

    I had a cursory look at the two files. The scans are B/W. Could you just send a few sample pages in color to check whether it will increase readability?

    In already sent b/w scans, a zoom of 200% makes the Tamil characters fairly readable. However, in certain pages the scan appears to be faint. But maybe, this is due to the original print itself being faint.

    BTW, I am a North Indian from the Hindi belt. My knowledge of Tamil is highly limited. I do not know enough Tamil to translate the text. But there is no problem in recognizing the Tamil characters and make out the Tamil words of Sanskrit origin.

    Prof. Yogananda CS will be a better person to judge.

<<Question: do we rescan Kanya, or just scan the missing pages to complete the archive.org file?>>

   The scan of Kanya Lagna is very good. Only missing pages need to be scanned.

    Thanks and regards

    Narayan Prasad

     

[Irene Galstian]

Dear Dr Prasad,

Thank you for the input. I've just finished the 4th block of Vrsabha
and will do the 5th in the colour mode for comparison. The 4th block
is done in BW text mode. Please could you look at that too. The first
couple of blocks are in grayscale, so more nuance of gray is shown but
the clarity of characters seems to suffer.
I understand your situation with Tamil. If you could, please monitor
the scans for missing pages and note missing pages. I tried to scan
responsibly but on several occasions I was interrupted by student
questions, so if an extra pair of eyes checks the scans, we'll correct
even more errors. Yogananda and Shankara will probably also check the
scans before they go on archive.org.

Best wishes,

Irene

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[Irene Galstian]

I've already uploaded the pages missing from Mesha.

Where can I find the list of pages missing from Kanya? Or this hasn't
been generated yet and one just needs to look through the PDF?

Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Where can I find the list of pages missing from Kanya? Or this hasn't been generated yet and one just needs to look through the PDF?  >>

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/8Mv0KH7LbTY/PM5xyNCIEwAJ

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Sampath Kumar]

I went once GOML for scanning the Dhruva Nadi, and taken with Cam Scanner app with my android mobile .So we can take any 

manuscript also

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[Irene Galstian]

Thank you. Kanya missing pages now uploaded and need to be integrated
into the existing file and reuploaded to archive.

If this leaves us with Mithuna, Karka, Simha, my earlier estimate of 2
weeks is too long, unless something unusual happens. Please try to
respond with preferences of scan mode: grayscale photo, colour photo
or bw text. Tomorrow is another student-filled day, and I'll be doing
scanning in between.

Irene

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[Irene Galstian]

Can CamScanner scan to tiff? I glanced at the marketing blurbs but
didn't see it mentioned.

Irene

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>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/8Mv0KH7LbTY/PM5xyNCIEwAJ
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>> On Sat, 27 Jul 2019 at 21:14, Irene Galstian <gnos...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> I've already uploaded the pages missing from Mesha.
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>>> Where can I find the list of pages missing from Kanya? Or this hasn't
>>> been generated yet and one just needs to look through the PDF?
>>>
>>> Irene
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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Please try to respond with preferences of scan mode: grayscale photo, colour photo or bw text.>>

Color scan is preferable. I never like bw text, because it is strainful to the eyes. Minimum requirement is grayscale.

<<Kanya missing pages now uploaded and need to be integrated into the existing file and reuploaded to archive.>>

The Kanya Lagnam file is SECURED and can be modified by the owner only.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Sampath Kumar]

Cam scanner can take in image then itself can convert into PDF into one file, clarity also 100% fine

www.jaimini.org Good Luck SK { सॊऽहं हंसः परमहंसः సోsహం హంసః పరమహంసః}

 

            

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[Irene Galstian]

OK, colour it is.

I've just inserted the missing and previously unreadable pages from
your list into Kanya. It's now complete and ready to go back on
archive.org.

Irene

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[Irene Galstian]

I've inserted the missing pages into Mesha and uploaded the result.
However, the scan quality of Mesha seems very grainy. I'd be surprised
if some of these pages are readable, but we'll wait for Yoga to
pronounce his expert opinion as someone who reads Tamil well.
If you decide that Mesha needs to be rescanned from the beginning,
please say so.

Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< If you decide that Mesha needs to be rescanned from the beginning, please say so.>>

I am of the opinion that it needs rescanning. But it may be done after completing Gemini (Mithuna) to Leo (Simha).

Thanks and regards

Narayan Prasad

[Crbala Subramanian]

Hi Irene
Raam raam
Sri maha periyava charanam.
Firstly thanks for the scanning those books and i hope it will uploaded in archive and link will be shared in forum.
After kanya lagna no other volumes were published. Don't know the reason why government funding stopped in publishing other works. But all the twelve lagnas are available in manuscript which is preserved in GOML Madras.

Thanks
C.R.Bala

[Irene Galstian]

Hello C. R. Bala,

Thank you so much for this important clarification!
The 6 published volumes will go on archive. If Shri Shankara will accept them into the collection under his management, then he’ll upload them. If not, other methods will be found, but these case studies will be made available. This is why they’re being scanned.

A request, if I may. Since you know that the remaining lagnas are available in manuscript form, are you able to scan them? Or maybe someone has scanned these manuscripts already? Let’s find or make these scans, gradually produce from them the remaining volumes and make them available. A collection of case studies like this is too valuable to neglect.

Irene

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[Yogananda CS]

Namaste,

I have downloaded on bunch and processing it. Will share the finished one.

Regards. . . . . yoga

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[Irene Galstian]

Big thanks to the Tamil native speakers and fluent readers who sent
private messages willing to help decide which scanning mode is easier
to read. So far BW text mode is the clear winner, and the scanning
will continue in this mode unless strong arguments are made in favour
of grayscale (so far the least preferred mode by the reviwers) and
colour photo. I won't rescan the parts already scanned in colour photo
mode, since these parts were declared readable.

Thank you,
Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

<< Big thanks to the Tamil native speakers and fluent readers who sent private messages willing to help decide which scanning mode is easier to read. So far BW text mode is the clear winner>>

A few years back, a friend of mine informed me that the best image for OCR is bw and the bigger the character size, the better to recognize it. He was developing OCR software for the devanagari script.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

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Big thanks to the Tamil native speakers and fluent readers who sent private messages willing to help decide which scanning mode is easier to read. So far BW text mode is the clear winner, and the scanning

will continue in this mode unless strong arguments are made in favour of grayscale (so far the least preferred mode by the reviewers) and colour photo. I won't rescan the parts already scanned in colour photo

[Irene Galstian]

Update: all except Simha are now complete.

Missing pages have been inserted into archive copies of Kanya and Mesha.
However, Mesha will be rescanned because the archive copy is too
grainy to be readable by Tamil readers. I've started on rescanning
Mesha before doing Simha because a fair number of pages in the Simha
volume need to be cut first; waiting to borrow a good paper knife.

In the meantime, if you find missing or unreadable pages, please write
as soon as you can, so this can be corrected.

Thank you,
Irene

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> sent private messages willing to help decide which scanning mode is

> easier to read. So far BW text mode is the clear winner>>

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> is bw and the bigger the character size, the better to recognize it. He was
> developing OCR software for the devanagari script.
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> Narayan Prasad
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>
>> Big thanks to the Tamil native speakers and fluent readers who
>> sent private messages willing to help decide which scanning mode is
>> easier to read. So far BW text mode is the clear winner, and the scanning
>> will continue in this mode unless strong arguments are made in favour of
>> grayscale (so far the least preferred mode by the reviewers) and colour
>> photo. I won't rescan the parts already scanned in colour photo
>> mode, since these parts were declared readable.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Irene
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[Irene Galstian]

1. Here's what's been scanned so far:

https://archive.org/details/mgos_20190802

I'm still working on Simha.
If you find missing or unclear pages, please report them in this thread.

2. Since the remaining 6 lagnas are still in manuscript form, your
help is needed. If you already have the scans, please consider sharing
them. Otherwise, if you are reliable and located in or near Chennai,
please consider going to GOML and scanning these manuscripts. There
are also other items at GOML that several scholars are looking for. If
you're willing to help, please reply. Since cooperation is by
definition a 2-sided thing, please send the list of items you're
trying to obtain, so more people can look for them and maybe obtain
them quicker.

Thank you,
Irene

[Narayan Prasad]

<<2. Since the remaining 6 lagnas are still in manuscript form, your help is needed. If you already have the scans, please consider sharing them.>>

I hope, you have seen the message by Shri Sampathkumar ji regarding Scorpio lagna: 

         https://groups.google.com/d/msg/bvparishat/A_khWmED6-k/PoysHRkDEgAJ

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Irene Galstian]

Shri Sampathkumar shared a file with me earlier today, but the
resolution was low, and it was very hard to make out the letters. I've
written to him to find out if the larger file he mentioned in the post
might be available. If so, we've got 5 lagnas left to deal with.

Irene

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[Sampath Kumar]

Dear Irene

I will send you high resolution file

167 mb

Through wetransfer.com

Thank you

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[Irene Galstian]

Thank you very, very much!
Thus, we're have 5 lagnas' manuscripts to locate and scan:

Tula
Dhanus
Makara
Kumbha
Meena

Best wishes,
Irene

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[Sampath Kumar]

i am sharing along with you, Narayana prasad and one Chinese scholar, who is learning Tamil script for this

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[Dr. Raghavender Upadhyayula]

Dear Irene,

Indeed, a commendable effort. 

Waiting to see Simha lagnam as well. 

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[Sampath Kumar]

In VuruSchika lagna- Text starts from 4th folio

3rd one is actually second page-bcz in script there are numbers are written.

[Madhivanan]

The published copy of the aries lagna of Saptarishi Nadi is available on archive.org. I am indebted for the good-hearted persons who have shared that with the whole world. I have extensively studied that collection, and I found out that some important corrections need to be made to the published work.

For example, horoscope no. 2 in the print book mentions Mercury in Aquarius. The Tamil verse reads “மதிசனி மாதையாக மால்தினும் சேயும் சாடி”. However, upon referring to the palm manuscript, I found this.

It reads “மதிசனி மாதையாக மால்தனு சேயும் சாடி”. Therefore, Mercury is placed in Sagittarius. Even otherwise, Mercury cannot be placed so far away from the Sun, anyway. There are many more major corrections and a lot more minor corrections to be incorporated in that published work.

I have published an eBook on that collection, the details of which has been shared in this forum earlier. Of the 78 horoscopes, 63 horoscopes have been dealt with in that eBook, and I have corrected the planetary positions, if any, for those horoscopes. Indeed, three horoscopes from that collection actually belong to Cancer ascendant.
Likewise, remaining dasa periods which are not mentioned in the print book, have been mentioned in the eBook after referring to the verses. In fact, I have found numerous corrections in the print book, and these can be corrected only if another edition of that book is published.

For those interested in comparing the horoscopes in the published volume and my ebook, I will supply the corresponding horoscope numbers if you drop me a mail.

Hope this helps.

[Sampath Kumar]

Mercury's position is wrong, it is already mentioned by sri Yenbeeyes in his blog and discussed elaborately in 2014- follow that link here.

https://yenbeeyes.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/saptarishi-nadi-aries-lagna-chart-2/  

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[Madhivanan]

The position of Mercury displayed in that link is Scorpio. it has been arrived at using a hypothetical time of birth. But the position of Mercury specified by saptarishis is Sagittarius, and i have given the proof for that. To clarify again, the position of Mercury in the printed book is aquarius; in the specified link is Scorpio; the position mentioned in the palm manuscript is Sagittarius. Kindly check. Hope this clarifies this issue.

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[Irene Galstian]

Since I haven't received any emails private or via the list, about
missing or unreadable pages in the files uploaded so far, I'll assume
that all pages are where they should be and return the books.

Irene

On 8/7/19, Madhivanan <mad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The position of Mercury displayed in that link is Scorpio. it has been
> arrived at using a hypothetical time of birth. But the position of Mercury
> specified by saptarishis is Sagittarius, and i have given the proof for
> that. To clarify again, the position of Mercury in the printed book is
> aquarius; in the specified link is Scorpio; the position mentioned in the
> palm manuscript is Sagittarius. Kindly check. Hope this clarifies this
> issue.
>
> On Wednesday, 7 August 2019 22:48:41 UTC+5:30, sampathkumar wrote:
>>
>> Mercury's position is wrong, it is already mentioned by sri Yenbeeyes in
>> his blog and discussed elaborately in 2014- follow that link here.
>>
>> https://yenbeeyes.wordpress.com/2014/11/13/saptarishi-nadi-aries-lagna-chart-2/
>>

>> *www.jaimini.org <http://www.jaimini.org>*
>> *Good Luck*

>> *SK { **सॊऽहं हंसः परमहंसः సోsహం హంసః పరమహంసః}*

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>> wrote:
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>>> The published copy of the aries lagna of Saptarishi Nadi is available on
>>>
>>> archive.org. I am indebted for the good-hearted persons who have shared
>>> that with the whole world. I have extensively studied that collection,
>>> and
>>> I found out that some important corrections need to be made to the
>>> published work.
>>>
>>> For example, horoscope no. 2 in the print book mentions Mercury in
>>> Aquarius. The Tamil verse reads “மதிசனி மாதையாக மால்தினும் சேயும் சாடி”.
>>>
>>> However, upon referring to the palm manuscript, I found this.
>>>

>>> email to bvpar...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>.

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[Irene Galstian]

Maybe a higher resolution scan would make deciphering closely written
verses easier.
As for your suggestion of getting a group to decipher together, I
agree, but with a disclaimer.
Since we have a number of volumes already typeset, I personally would
aim to allocate time and gradually translate them into English, and
only after that switch to deciphering manuscripts.
Of course, there could be other people who would be more interested in
deciphering the manuscripts. The thread is here, and people who want
to participate can make themselves known.

Irene

On 8/7/19, Madhivanan <mad...@gmail.com> wrote:

> The position of Mercury displayed in that link is Scorpio. it has been
> arrived at using a hypothetical time of birth. But the position of Mercury
> specified by saptarishis is Sagittarius, and i have given the proof for
> that. To clarify again, the position of Mercury in the printed book is
> aquarius; in the specified link is Scorpio; the position mentioned in the
> palm manuscript is Sagittarius. Kindly check. Hope this clarifies this
> issue.
>
> On Wednesday, 7 August 2019 22:48:41 UTC+5:30, sampathkumar wrote:
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>>> The published copy of the aries lagna of Saptarishi Nadi is available on
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>>> archive.org. I am indebted for the good-hearted persons who have shared
>>> that with the whole world. I have extensively studied that collection,
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>>> I found out that some important corrections need to be made to the
>>> published work.
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>>> For example, horoscope no. 2 in the print book mentions Mercury in
>>> Aquarius. The Tamil verse reads “மதிசனி மாதையாக மால்தினும் சேயும் சாடி”.
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>>> However, upon referring to the palm manuscript, I found this.
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[Narayan Prasad]

<<Since I haven't received any emails private or via the list, about missing or unreadable pages in the files uploaded so far, I'll assume that all pages are where they should be and return the books.>>

Kindly give me some time ( 2 to 3 days) to check the scanned pages. I will report as soon as I complete checking.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Madhivanan]

First, I would like to thank you for your hardwork. You have spend a great deal of time for this. In Taurus ascendant, page 52 and 53 are missing. kindly check. page 602 and 603 have been duplicated, but that is not a problem at all. the rest of the pages appear to be ok in Taurus collection.

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[Irene Galstian]

This is very good of you. I’ll renew the books and wait for an indication from you to return them. 

Irene

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<<Since I haven't received any emails private or via the list, about missing or unreadable pages in the files uploaded so far, I'll assume that all pages are where they should be and return the books.>>

Kindly give me some time ( 2 to 3 days) to check the scanned pages. I will report as soon as I complete checking.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

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Since I haven't received any emails private or via the list, about
missing or unreadable pages in the files uploaded so far, I'll assume
that all pages are where they should be and return the books.

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[Narayan Prasad]

<<This is very good of you. I’ll renew the books and wait for an indication from you to return them.>>

I have just completed checking the scanned pages for Mesha, Taurus, Mithuna and Karka.

All pages have been scanned, except pp.52-53 in Taurus 1 of 5. Dr Madhivanan has also already indicated these missing pages.

In Karka 1 of 4, page CLviii has been wrongly printed as CLiii.

Thanks and regards

Narayan Prasad

[Madhivanan]

The participants in this topic all share a common interest on Saptarishi Nadi gifted by our saptarishis. We realize and appreciate the importance of this monumental work by saptarishis. This is a boon by saptarishis for our mankind.

Our government has brought out six ascendant publications and no more. That too, those books are in Tamil, and therefore cannot be read by non-Tamil people. Luckily, these books are out of copyright, I presume, and therefore interested scholars can translate them into English. Here, I wish to make a point. There are errors in the published works, as has been pointed out by Yenbeeyes in his translations.  Before translating them, it is advisable to proofread the verses with the palm manuscript. I know this first hand as I have proofread the Aries ascendant verses. Any attempt at translating the Aries collection should incorporate these corrections as they are vital to astrological interpretation.

Also, the other six ascendant collections are yet to be deciphered and translated in Tamil/English. In this modern age, the skills necessary to decipher, assimilate, and translate those verses without any mistakes is not common. Indeed, I think it is rare to find someone interested in astrology with a command over English language (for translation) and the necessary skills to decipher the verses from the Tamil manuscript.

In this regard, I find that even those who possess the manuscripts of Saptarishi Nadi are very secretive about it and don’t want to share it with those who can decipher it. There is a good chance that a few of them may be members of this forum. It will be a grave loss to Indian astrology to have those manuscripts and yet not decipher them or share them with someone who can decipher/translate. If the present generation is unable to decipher the manuscripts, the chances that the next generation will decipher it are even less.

I understand that those who possess the manuscripts have acquired them with great effort; not deciphering them will be a waste of all those efforts. Advising those interested in deciphering them to undergo the same hardships they experienced in acquiring the manuscripts may be a logical one, but then that would defeat the very purpose of this forum. Again, it is up to their conscience to decide if they are willing to share those manuscripts with others. All I can do is appeal to their good selves in making the precious knowledge of saptarishis accessible to humanity.

Kindly note that this is not directed at anyone in particular. Thank you.

[Irene Galstian]

Dr Madhivanan,

Your post certainly addresses valid points. My own perception is as follows:

1. Sharing or not of something one has isn't a matter of conscience
but of goodwill. Goodwill can only be granted willingly, it can't
begged, threatened or cajoled. We can only be sincerely grateful for
what we receive from such goodwill and not make people feel guilty for
what they aren't willing to share. That is their choice.

2. The manuscript scans I've seen so far are done is a relatively low
resolution, which compounds the difficulty of deciphering. Sooner or
later someone will read this thread who has high resolution scans and
is willing to share them. Or someone might volunteer to go to Chennai
and produce such scans (this could be one of us, as our circumstances
allow).

3. Considering how much scanned printed matter we already have
available, deciphering manuscripts isn't our priority as a whole.

3a. However, Sampath Kumar has indicated that this is his priority,
and as part of his own project he'll be redering all of us the
valuable favour of posting deciphered Tamil verses on this thread.
It's important that we're fully appreciative of Sampath Kumar's
cooperation and generosity, and if anyone here can reciprocate by
cross-checking the verses with the manuscript, perhaps this person
would be assisting Sampath Kumar in return.

3b. In the meantime, all we have to do is encourage people to
translate the scanned printed matter from Tamil into English. If there
are people who are willing/able to translate from Tamil into Hindi,
that too would be useful. Either way, this skill isn't very hard to
find.

4. As the translation progresses and reaches the proofreading stage,
it's well to also double-check the astrological accuracy of the charts
and add editorial comments. You discovered and corrected some errors,
and there could well be others in the remaining volumes. I suggest
that the translation be done exactly as per the printed original, and
then editorial comments would clearly indicate whether the given
correction came from the manuscript or editor's own astrological
calculations.

Best wishes,
Irene

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[RaviA]

Dear all,

This is great work.

I noticed that Dr.Galstian has posted 5 lagnas on archive.org.

I especially liked the Kanya volume, where CGRajan has interspersed astrological reasoning for some selected

verses. I am also aware of similar analysis of these readings by JNBhasin published in English as Saptarishi Nadi.

I will try to rotate and split pages and also apply tamil OCR on them and get back to you with results.

Dr.Galstian, I do not see Simha lagna files on the archive page.

Would it be possible to upload at your convenience?

Ravi

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[Irene Galstian]

Dear Ravi,

Thank you for mentioning the possibility of OCR. If you can do even a bit, that would be quite nice. We could then see how viable OCR is and what kind of spell-checking can help with OCR errors to produce more or less viable Tamil text. By the way, do you know of a Tamil OCR solution that's better than Google's?

Simha will be done, that's not the issue here. As you see, 5 lagnas are uploaded and are being worked on little by little by a number of people. At the same time, I've been looking for ways of obtaining high resolution scans of the remaining lagnas that can be be shared with everybody. The problem with the scans we have so far is that they are done in low resolution and, what's more important, their owners don't want to share them with everybody. 

As you can see, there are 2 streams to this. 

1. If the case study is already in printed form, it's helpful to have people with enough Tamil and astrology knowledge to translate it into Hindi or English. Remember that as long as the case studies exist only in Tamil, the world at large can't benefit from them. 

2. If the case study is still in manuscript form, we've got to obtain shareable hi res scans and perform 1. on these. Thus, it would be good to find contacts of people in Chennai who are willing and able to help with this step.

As has been observed already, there are some mistakes in the case studies. This is fine. The priority now is to translate the text exactly as it is. Checking can be done later. Note also that the more people have access to the case studies, the quicker and the more fruitful the checking of the calculations will be. This is another reason I think that it's better to translate them as soon as possible in the proceedings. I'm preparing a small system to keep track of all this.

I'd like to take this opportunity to wish everybody on BVP a wonderful new year, full of joy and inspiration.

Irene

[Madhivanan]

Happy new year to all!

I have started publishing the translations of the saptarishi nadi horoscopes from the aries ascendant collection in my website here. As of now, 6 horoscopes are online; more will follow. These horoscopes have been translated by Yenbeeyes and edited by me after proofreading with the palm manuscripts and incorporating the changes; so, the planetary positions differ from those in the book in some cases.

Dr. Madhivanan.

[RaviA]

Dear team, (Prasad, Shankara, Yogananda, Dr.Galstian, Mathivanan, Yenbeeyes)

     Happy New Year to all!

    1. I have completed OCR of the Kanya lagna book using Google Cloud Vision OCR (which is a paid service I have used). I have attached links to the un-edited Word doc and plain text versions.

        I am sharing the result in the spirit of open sharing, just like you and others who have shared the scans themselves. 

         https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/167qBG289Brp50gvwtvVuOJJthI39xQod?usp=sharing

         I can provide edit rights to whoever is planning to edit and probably add translations in place there.

     2. Google Cloud OCR is pretty good. I have not read through this particular book yet, but I find only about one or two errors per page if the scan is good quality.

         In addition Google OCR can automatically identify and transcribe multiple languages in same document. I do not know of other solutions which have similar capabilities/qualities.

         

      3. Google OCR is only for printed text now. One may train special algorithms for manuscript text. For example if one aligns entire mesham readings and their already available text as training data, one can build a manuscript ocr algorithm.

     

      4. The Kanya seems to be using a high resolution scan. I am yet to start on Mesha and other scans for OCR. Hope to do it over the coming weeks. 

      5. As you and others may know, the 'professional' archival solution for scanning is to purchase a overhead (nondestructive) book scanner, I will mention two options here: A low cost personal solution would be a scanner : Fujitsu ScanSnap: https://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/computing/peripheral/scanners/scansnap/sv600/ about $500 available in India too. It would take about two to three hours to scan a 300 page book and finish its editing into a quality PDF. (OCR available in-built for English and European languages)

     6. The archival standard solution is a scanning workstation BookEye v4 that would cost more than $20000 but a book can be scanned with little hand edits in less than an hour.

https://www.imageaccess.de/?page=ScannersBE4-SGS-V2ProfessionalArchive&lang=en

     7. I guess that Mesha and Kanya were scanned at DLI which used to have special purpose Minolta scanners.

     8. Bottomline, I think your scans should be good enough for practical purposes. Let me progress and let you know.

     9. Not to discourage the project itself, but I make these observations:

                1. There is only little bit of explicit astrological reasoning in each reading of 40 or so poems. This is when one rishi is questioned by Parvathi or other rishi.

                      All the rest is just predictions without reasoning.

                 2. The benefit in this case is mostly that these are case histories of horoscopes of specific people, who lived around 1880s - or were reborn for nth time around that time :) - 

                     with not much clue on how the readings were done.

                 3. The other benefit is to understand the astrological and astronomical systems used during the times these were written.

                 4. For an extremely intelligent expert astrologer, the reading itself may fill gaps in knowledge and reinforce their knowledge, 

                         but a non-astrologer and a learning astrologer, can understand close to nothing from these books. 

                 5. The best way to benefit is for an expert astrologer to do a blind reading of the chart first on the following questions:

                                    male or female

                                    father siblings and father's characteristics

                                    mother siblings and characteristrics

                                    natives siblings

                                    natives education and trade

                                    wife and characteristics

                                    children 

                                    timing of marriage, childbirths

                                    timing of deaths of father, mother, native

                                    and then read up what the book said.

                  6. So while this is a rare book of systematic readings  AND I have reasons to believe that the readings are fairly stunningly accurate,

                      these are not text books but case histories.

     So we can only get as much as we put in to 'decipher' the readings themselves and what we get would be only what we put in.

     

Regards and best wishes

Ravi

[Irene Galstian]

Dear Ravi,

Thank you for the detailed post and the OCR sample.

1-2. Thank you, this answers my questions. I too have the Cloud
Vision API, mainly for Roman and Devanagari for now. It's good news
that Tamil works well too.

3. Worth a try. My FloydHub account could be used if needed, but
sounds like you probably have your own setup. ( And all the more
reason in this case to obtain hi res scans.)

4-8 No pressure at all. The scans put on archive were done with
an iPhone, but I've since upgraded my office scanner to CZUR Aura, so
a 400-500 page book can be scanned in about an hour, maybe less. The
software splits the pages while scanning as well, although that's a
simple script anyway. I'll provide you with Simha samples done with
that scanner, both in BW and colour modes. If you find that we'd be
getting better OCR results with CZUR, I can rescan the rest of the
material. It all depends on what's quicker, to rescan the material
with CZUR or to spell-correct OCR inaccuracies, hence my curiosity
about existing Tamil spellcheckers, whether these are part of
worḍ-processing packages or dedicated software.

9. Agreed, this isn't a textbook. However, practice shows that
once something is made available to many people, unexpected
developments arise. There is a lot of creativity in the world, so
including as many people as possible is a priority, in my view. The
combination of Hindi and English would cover a large chunk of
potential readers and contributors.


Best wishes,
Irene

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[Ravi Annaswamy]

Dr.Galstian,

>>    1-2. Thank you, this answers my questions. I too have the Cloud
Vision API, mainly for Roman and Devanagari for now. It's good news
that Tamil works well too.

Google Cloud vision API automatically detects languages, thanks to miraculous developments in deep learning - 

object localization AND detection AND recognition are all integrated as in human brain.

This development in OCR is groundbreaking in the last couple of years.

Not sure if you have code to take a PDF and send through cloud vision and re-assemble. I had to write my own 

to retrieve back OCR results from google bucket and extract text portions by location on page and stitch together.

Still on some pages, you might see mis-ordering. 

 >>     3. Worth a try. My FloydHub account could be used if needed, but
sounds like you probably have your own setup. ( And all the more
reason in this case to obtain hi res scans.)

True this is a long project. For this OCR training I have ocropy based codebase.

 >>     4-8 No pressure at all. The scans put on archive were done with
an iPhone, but I've since upgraded my office scanner to CZUR Aura, so
a 400-500 page book can be scanned in about an hour, maybe less. The
software splits the pages while scanning as well, although that's a
simple script anyway. I'll provide you with Simha samples done with
that scanner, both in BW and colour modes. If you find that we'd be
getting better OCR results with CZUR, I can rescan the rest of the
material. It all depends on what's quicker, to rescan the material
with CZUR or to spell-correct OCR inaccuracies, hence my curiosity
about existing Tamil spellcheckers, whether these are part of
worḍ-processing packages or dedicated software.

I was going to mention CZUR - especially they have a new ad on my inbox for a product called CZUR shine.

CZUR scans are limited to 300DPI whereas Scansnap goes upto 600 DPI.

Please do share a couple of pages from CZUR and I can try OCR on that.

Also, the other volumes scanned 2 per page, there are two options for rotate/split.

One is to use Abbyy Finereader if you have it.

Other is I am writing some code to automaticaly do it. Will let you all know.

 >>    9. Agreed, this isn't a textbook. However, practice shows that
once something is made available to many people, unexpected
developments arise. There is a lot of creativity in the world, so
including as many people as possible is a priority, in my view. The
combination of Hindi and English would cover a large chunk of
potential readers and contributors.

After writing the note, I was thinking the same, you said it best!

When humans look at sparse data, suddenly clues and hidden connections occur in their minds - get revealed.

Some of these may be unsustainable hypothesis (hallucinations) but a disciplined post process can filter out

the ones that work!

For instance Dr.Madhi's note that the zodiac is tropical. (I have not read his arguments and data yet, but very exciting

example of what new insights such a collection can provide).

Also, even though only one or two astrologically explained clues are provided in each horoscope, this collection of

100 horoscopes times 12, will give at least a 1000 clues, which is HUGE to understand the system.

Overall, this collection is so unique and rich and enough of homogenuity to reveal a system.

I just now ordered Dr.Madhivanan's ebook. He has done the right thing. He has extracted the poems containing astrological reasoning

and provided translations of those. Kanya and probably one more book has annotations by the editors, but what Madhi has provided is the

annotations by the predicting person himself/herself. 

I am very happy to see the progress.

Ravi

Best wishes,
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[Irene Galstian]

Ravi,

I'm in the process of writing the code, since it seems easier to do
that than to be limited by the 25 page limit.
Apologies for the earlier awkward phrasing. I meant to say that most
of my Cloud API work is with English and Devanagari documents, and I
haven't tried Tamil OCR because I was on the lookout for a Tamil
reader who'd have a go and assess the OCR quality - and you appeared!

Irene

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[Ravi Annaswamy]

Cool thanks
Ravi

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[RaviA]

Team,

 

I have uploaded single page versions of Vrishab 1 and 2 books, to my google doc share.

 

Also I have uploaded the code I have written for rotate-split-enhance-compress-write of pdf scans into these.

The code has been shared as jupyter notebook as well as html viewable doc.

I notice that some page scans are rather light in the scan. I will try OCR tomorrow and provide feedback if there is a need to rescan specific pages.

Comments welcome.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/167qBG289Brp50gvwtvVuOJJthI39xQod

Ravi

 

[RaviA]

OCR of Book 1 of Vrsabha from the single page cleaned pdf.

 

[RaviA]

Team, I am happy to share some progress.

By God's grace, I was able to write some code to rotate, split images and also (unexpectedly) figure out how to 

remove shadows as well as compress the images without losing quality.

I have attached example of a page (scanned by Dr.Galstian), along with split and enhanced version.

 I will process the Vrisabha book 1 in entirety and share a concise single page version hopefully today.

And also will try OCR on that. I will also share code on my github once I finish this successfully.

Ravi

[Irene Galstian]

Many thanks for the update, Ravi!
If you find faintly scanned pages that resist OCR, please make a note
of the volume and the page number(s) and send these to me, so I scan
try rescanning. The reason the scans are uneven is because the print
itself is uneven in these books.

Thank you,
Irene

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[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Ravi ji,

    வணக்கம்!

    Thank you very much for your recent messages, esp. regarding Tamil OCR and writing code to rotate, split images and also figure out how to 

remove shadows as well as compress the images without losing quality.

    

<<I have attached example of a page (scanned by Dr.Galstian), along with split and enhanced version.>>

BTW, the scan of joint pp.18-19 from the Taurus lagna has both pages with almost same width. 

Could you attach pp.180-181 of the Taurus lagna before and after split, in which the width is not the same and there is a shadowy part in the left margin of page 180?

There should be at least about 5 mm right margin on page 180 after split.

<<I will also share code on my github once I finish this successfully.>>

In that case, it will be highly useful for application in general.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[RaviA]

Narayan Prasad-ji

Thank you!

Let me research the issue you are talking about. Want to make sure, is the text getting clipped or is the issue that the split pages have various margins?

As long as the text does not get cut, the situation is not very bad.

Dr.Galstian has done a great job of scanning and I was surprised to most (if not all) pages are relatively well centered.

I will continue to research this issue and think of some ways to avoid this situation of imbalanced margins.

__

I have also uploaded remaining volumes of Vrishabha to my google docs page, and will be uploading Mithuna too,

so if you or any one can look through to see any pages that need a rescan, we can request Dr.Galstian.

Ravi

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Dear Ravi ji,

    வணக்கம்!

    Thank you very much for your recent messages, esp. regarding Tamil OCR and writing code to rotate, split images and also figure out how to 

remove shadows as well as compress the images without losing quality.

    

<<I have attached example of a page (scanned by Dr.Galstian), along with split and enhanced version.>>

BTW, the scan of joint pp.18-19 from the Taurus lagna has both pages with almost same width. 

Could you attach pp.180-181 of the Taurus lagna before and after split, in which the width is not the same and there is a shadowy part in the left margin of page 180?

There should be at least about 5 mm right margin on page 180 after split.

<<I will also share code on my github once I finish this successfully.>>

In that case, it will be highly useful for application in general.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[Narayan Prasad]

Dear Ravi ji,

       Thanks for your reply.

 

    <<Want to make sure, is the text getting clipped or is the issue that the split pages have various margins?>>

  It does not matter even if the split pages have various margins. But if on certain page the text gets clipped, it will be an issue.

  If the images are well-centred, there is no problem at all, because the Adobe PDF has a built-in facility to split a large image, without reduction in resolution.

  Please see the attached pic.

<<Dr.Galstian has done a great job of scanning>>

Exactly. And that also in so small period! It was rather a surprise for me. 

When I started this topic, I never expected that the matter would reach so much fruitful stage!

<<I will continue to research this issue and think of some ways to avoid this situation of imbalanced margins>>

Thanks. This research will be highly useful in general, even if not required in this particular case.

Regards

Narayan Prasad

[RaviA]

Narayan Prasad-ji

1. I have slightly improved the shadow removal and now placed Mesha and Vrishabha volumes in google docs location.

2. I am attaching the unsplit page p109 from Dr.Galstian's scan of Vrshabha and the corresponding split pages of 180 and 181 from Vrshabha,

I do not see any clipping here. Do you see issues?

Ravi

[Narayan Prasad]

<<I do not see any clipping here. Do you see issues?>>

I also do not see any clipping or any other issues. Thanks.

--- Narayan Prasad

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[Madhivanan]

Hi to all,

As coronavirus is taking its toll, the world is finding it tough to come to terms with this pandemic. Regarding saptarishi nadi, kindly post any updates regarding any work done on this. As to myself, i have uploaded translations of 10 horoscopes in my website. also, i have completed proof reading of the complete aries lagna collection with the manuscript, and i have noted some important changes. i am working on translating the rest of the horoscopes.

One important outcome of researching Saptarishi Nadi is the knowledge that the saptarishis used tropical zodiac. Accordingly, I analyzed the astrology of the pandemic using tropical zodiac in the month of May and posted an article in my website here. I have borrowed ideas from others, whom i have acknowledged, and analyzed it using tropical zodiac. What has transpired over these months strengthens my conviction that tropical zodiac is the zodiac used by our saptarishis. Kindly decide for yourself after going through that article. As to the pandemic, the worst is yet to come. the approaching solar eclipse and the conjunction of Saturn and debilitated Jupiter in mid December is a cause for worry.

Kindly keep us posted of any developments regarding Saptarishi Nadi done over these many months. I will be grateful if the Simha lagna collection is shared, and this appeal goes to Mr. Irene Galstein; that would then complete the 6 published lagna collection. The library was supposed to publish the rest of the volumes by now; if there is any update on this, i would be happy to hear.

Hoping for some good news in this regard amid the depressing pandemic. Thanks in advance.

Dr. Madhivanan.