An impressive sanskrit bible site.

[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

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You may take a look at this site for Sanskrit to English translation.
http://www.sanskritbible.in/index.html

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[K S Kannan]

The translation seems suspect -

starting from the very title.

The word bible means only "book" - speaking etymologically

- as evidenced even in words such as biblio-graphy/biblio-phile/biblio-mania etc.

Contrastively, "Veda" means "Knowledge".

Bible can only be translated as pustakam.

To translate a word that means a mere book as "Satya Veda"

is not only unadulterated nonsense, but plain mischief

(look at the audacity of the unwarranted adjective):

plainly meant to imply "You may have the veda; but we have the true veda"!

(By implication, yours is a false veda).

These brazen proselytizers who pontificate on "tolerance" and "equality of religions",

and have a track record of destroying numerous cultures all through history,

just want to desecrate everything. Nothing else.

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[Irene Galstian]

Carey extensively discussed his translation with pundits and made sure
that the meaning is as correct as possible considering the difference
in languages. Still, he was a missionary, and that showed. Perhaps
it's best to skip the New Testament, except maybe the Gospel of Mark
and try his Old Testament in Sanskrit. There are more stories there of
narrative rather than polemic nature.

Irene

On 8/16/19, K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The translation seems suspect -
> starting from the very title.
>
> The word bible means only "book" - speaking etymologically
> - as evidenced even in words such as

> *biblio-graphy/biblio-phile/biblio-mania* etc.

> Contrastively, "Veda" means "Knowledge".

> *Bible *can only be translated as *pustakam.*

>
> To translate a word that means a mere book as "Satya Veda"
> is not only unadulterated nonsense, but plain mischief
> (look at the audacity of the unwarranted adjective):

> plainly meant to imply "You may have the veda; but we have the *true
> *veda"!

>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAFY6qgFZqOj0xNuedT3MmFPMNGYSK-9hSzbk8oHtANHc-fBv-Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>> .

>>
>
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>
> Chair Professor, IIT-Madras.
>
> Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
>
> Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
>
> Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.
> Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.
>
> Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.
>
> Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.
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[Sunil Nakum]

Dear All,

Without going into much details of it's authenticity, the sender "ken p" of this link reminded me someone we are all familiar with in BVP. I'm not providing any link of the replies sent by this person/bot but at certain point of time he/she/it used to send replies to almost every email on the thread. Many members had raised concerned about his/her/it's authenticity but AFAIK there was no reply by him. Most replies were just out of first few links from relevant google search links. I assume this member is already been removed from BVP, since there is no typical reply after January 2019.

So without wasting your valuable time in looking or even clicking such links. My simple suggestion would be to ask the administrator of the group to remove this member or investigate who/why someone does it (since yours is a group of programmers!)?

Dhanyoshmi,

Sunil

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

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Forwarding post was not a moderated one. 

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[Irene Galstian]

Shreevatsa,

I have somewhere a Sanskrit translation of a book by Macdonell on
Sanskrit literature and Katre's book on Indian textual criticism.
These are collection of neutral narrative sentences for the most part.
Please reply if you'd like me to find these files and share them with
you.

Irene

On 8/16/19, Nagaraj Paturi <nagara...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, we removed ken p.
>
> This is a forward from his post to another group.
>
> Forwarding post was not a moderated one.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:57 AM Sunil Nakum <sunil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear All,
>>

>> Without going into much details of it's authenticity, the sender "*ken
>> p*"

>> of this link reminded me someone we are all familiar with in BVP. I'm not
>> providing any link of the replies sent by this person/bot but at certain
>> point of time he/she/it used to send replies to almost every email on the
>> thread. Many members had raised concerned about his/her/it's authenticity
>> but AFAIK there was no reply by him. Most replies were just out of first
>> few links from relevant google search links. I assume this member is
>> already been removed from BVP, since there is no typical reply after
>> January 2019.
>>
>> So without wasting your valuable time in looking or even clicking such
>> links. My simple suggestion would be to ask the administrator of the
>> group
>> to remove this member or investigate who/why someone does it (since yours
>> is a group of programmers!)?
>>
>> Dhanyoshmi,
>> Sunil
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 11:39 AM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The translation seems suspect -
>>> starting from the very title.
>>>
>>> The word bible means only "book" - speaking etymologically
>>> - as evidenced even in words such as

>>> *biblio-graphy/biblio-phile/biblio-mania* etc.

>>> Contrastively, "Veda" means "Knowledge".

>>> *Bible *can only be translated as *pustakam.*
>>>

>>> To translate a word that means a mere book as "Satya Veda"
>>> is not only unadulterated nonsense, but plain mischief
>>> (look at the audacity of the unwarranted adjective):

>>> plainly meant to imply "You may have the veda; but we have the *true *

>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAFY6qgFZqOj0xNuedT3MmFPMNGYSK-9hSzbk8oHtANHc-fBv-Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>>> .

>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Chair Professor, IIT-Madras.
>>>
>>> Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
>>>
>>> Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
>>>
>>> Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.
>>> Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.
>>>
>>> Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.
>>>
>>> Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.
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>
>
> Director, Inter-Gurukula-University Centre for Indic Knowledge Systems.
> BoS, MIT School of Vedic Sciences, Pune, Maharashtra
>
> BoS, Chinmaya Vishwavidyapeeth, Veliyanad, Kerala
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[K S Kannan]

I guess the book is Indian Wisdom by Macdonell,

(said to have been translated into Sanskrit

at the initiative/suggestion of the Senior Swamiji of Kanchi Matha).

Have forgotten the exact Sanskrit title.

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[K S Kannan]

Katre's book has nothing, I believe, to do with translation of Sanskrit passages.

[Siddharth Wakankar]

The book by Dr Katre on Textual Criticism was translated in Sanskrit by,I think, Dr.Viroopaksha Jaddipal from Tirupati.

 

It is a very good attempt to put the English of Dr. Katre in a little bit simple Sanskrit which could be understood by those who know only Sanskrit and are not so familiar with English.

Prof. Siddharth Y Wakankar.

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[Irene Galstian]

Thank you, Professor Kannan, I'll look that one up and try to find it.
The book I was writing about had only the first 9 or so chapters
translated, and these had to do with Vedic literature. Maybe it's the
same book.
Katre's book was originally written in English, then translated into
Sanskrit, so it contains a fairly large number of ordinary English
sentences rendered into Sanskrit.

Irene

On 8/16/19, K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Katre's book has nothing, I believe, to do with translation of Sanskrit
> passages.
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 2:22 PM K S Kannan <ks.kann...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>

>> I guess the book is *Indian Wisdom *by Macdonell,

>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAFPaCQOJ8%2BEYfmxv3uxv2odd94usWNnEw5%2Bg_uX2sk1dqjn9Kg%40mail.gmail.com

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[G S S Murthy]

Ireneji,

I am interested in having a look at them. Could you share them with me?

Thanks and regards,

GSS Murthy

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[Irene Galstian]

Murthy ji,

Once I locate them, I'll immediately share them with you.

Irene

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>> .

>>
>
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> and also my Sanskrit blog :
>
> http://simplesanskrit.blogspot.com/
>

> *http://gssmurthy.blogspot.com <http://gssmurthy.blogspot.com/>*

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[Sivasenani Nori]

Sir

The stance of tanslators of Bible is that the message is what needs to be translated; and often words in source language are replaced by equivalent words in the culture of the destination language. Thus, a lamb is translated as 'baby seal' when translated to languages of the Arctic as baby seal is the equivalent of lamb in the Arctic.

So this is a deliberate act by Bible translators to use Satya Veda. Even the choice of language is strategic. If Indians believe that God speaks in Sanskrit, then the Bible must be in Sanskrit - that was the main purpose of the Monier Williams dictionary. And these objectives are pursued by evangelical institutions spanning across generations.

Regards

N Siva Senani 

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[K S Kannan]

Yes, Prof. Senani, I too stated the obvious as many miss it yet.

Fooling the naive and the innocent has been going on unabated for far too long.

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[Irene Galstian]

Hard to imagine that people who have seen the actual Vedas would fall
for such a transparent trick. The target audience might have been the
naive who thought that anything written in Sanskrit must be true. In
which case, all the missionaries had to do - at least in theory - is
translate the Bible into Sanskrit.

Irene

>>> *biblio-graphy/biblio-phile/biblio-mania* etc.

>>> Contrastively, "Veda" means "Knowledge".

>>> *Bible *can only be translated as *pustakam.*
>>>

>>> To translate a word that means a mere book as "Satya Veda"
>>> is not only unadulterated nonsense, but plain mischief
>>> (look at the audacity of the unwarranted adjective):

>>> plainly meant to imply "You may have the veda; but we have the *true *

>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/bvparishat/CAFY6qgFZqOj0xNuedT3MmFPMNGYSK-9hSzbk8oHtANHc-fBv-Q%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>
>>>> .

>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Chair Professor, IIT-Madras.
>>>
>>> Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
>>>
>>> Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
>>>
>>> Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.
>>> Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.
>>>
>>> Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.
>>>
>>> Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.
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>
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>
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>
> Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.
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[R Balagopal]

Respected Kannan Ji,

Applauding your correct estimation - 'just want to desecrate everything. Nothing else.''

I think in the longer run, all their attempts will only be circumscribed and eventually cannibalized by the very same edifice they are mauling and attempting to overpower. The idiots have no clue that they are swallowing their own tail and the remaining parts of themselves in due time. The land and its contents have come passed such exercises even long before these fellows hadn't even arrived in the jungles!

Regards

Balagopal

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[K S Kannan]

Yes Madam, you speak the truth.

It was a multi-pronged attack on the Indic civilisation,

as elsewhere - and by hook or by crook.

Divide et Impera was the norm.

Destroy the economy and exploit the poor.

Throttle the intelligent and entice the naive.

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[Venkata Sriram]

Our maidservant was devotee of shirdi saibaba....later she got converted into Christianity as the local pastor told her that Jesus & Baba were brothers and Jesus was elder one and more powerful !  

She told us the truth when we insisted her for the reason of getting converted . ...All these gullible, innocent & ignorant folk are being taken for ride by the pastors & fathers who are brainwashing them by saying that hindu gods emanated from Jesus and hindu literature was being copied by Bible !  

I don't understand one thing ! Why can't the christians be 'good christians' by following their own dharma of prayers without poking their nose in somebody's affairs !  Why the hell they have to go to such extent of cheating the innocent people !  By doing this, what are they achieving ultimately....are they not cheating themselves 

rgs,

sriram  

[K S Kannan]

True, Mr. Balagopal, the way churches are getting deserted

by their own folk in the West should be a sign of the times.

But they keep coming for "harvesting the souls" everywhere.

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[K S Kannan]

The picture portrayed by Sri Venkata Sriram has no exaggeration.

How can they shake off "the White Man's Burden"?

** madhu pas'yasi durbuddhe! prapAtam naiva pas'yasi!

** khalas sars"apa-mAtrANi para-cchidrANi pas'yati |

   Atmano bilva-mAtrANi pas'yann api na pas'yati !! ||

[Nagaraj Paturi]

>  Why can't the christians be 'good christians' by following their own dharma of prayers.

- To believe that no one who is not baptized goes to heaven.

- To help all such 'unfortunate' lot to go to heaven by baptizing them. 

is part of being 'good Christians', Sriram garu ! 

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[Irene Galstian]

When we hear 'Christianity', often what's meant is the *institution*
of Christian Church. Unfortunately, this turned out to be a ruthless
organisation that committed atrocities in the name of the divine.

Irene

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>> Dr. K.S.Kannan D.Litt.
>>
>> ​Chair Professor, IIT-Madras.
>>
>> Senior Fellow, ICSSR, New Delhi.
>>
>> Academic Director, Swadeshi Indology.
>>
>> Nominated Member, IIAS, Shimla.
>> Former Professor, CAHC, Jain University, Bangalore.
>>
>> Former Director, Karnataka Samskrit University, Bangalore.
>>
>> Former Head, Dept. of Sanskrit, The National Colleges, Bangalore.
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[Venkata Sriram]

Thank you Nagaraj Raju ....I was not aware & didn't of their ideology...I was thinking in terms of our swadharma :))  

rgs,

sriram

[K S Kannan]

Prof. Paturi has drawn attention to the essential issue.

The Nicene Creed, which no Christian can disavow, states all this explicitly, in ruthless detail.

The problem is not just with Christianity, but is with its more ghastly junior, Islam, too.

Their avowed policy towards others viz. "Convert, or get killed"

is at the root of the twin scourges of humanity. 

Killing "the other", you go to heaven - is what they are officially taught, after all!

Al Taqiyya, the 'art' of cheating in order to convert is common to both.

The tragedy, or rather the evil, is that it is scripturally ordained.

How can these two predator religions ever be at peace with others?

A rhetorical question, indeed.

For them, peace is the time for the preparation for the next war.

Euphemism Extreme that they are religions of Love and Peace!

Verily verily I say unto you : they spell

the love of the praying mantis, and the peace of the grave.

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[Dr BVK Sastry]

Namaste

1. The challenge of translation across language is a widely debated topic.  There are scholars who hold vehemently to the extreme views :  'Translation is  murder' to ' Translation is a re-birth of an idea across languages crossing the barriers'. The colonial dictionaries of Sanskrit -english, which have contributed greatly to preserve the vocabulary of Brahmi language families have also cast a dark shadow in understanding the meaning of the terms. The oldest bible translation to Sanskrit has much to be reviewed and corrected.

If one truly follows the Bible Sanskrit translation , it will position Christianity as one of the ' Guru - model streams under Puranas of Hinduism!  This would not be acceptable to either Hindus or Christians ! The Samskruth terms used to map Biblical concepts to Vedic model are like a double edged knife for both the religions.

2. As the thread has already brought in the reference to Bible translation, the pointing to the link https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/handouts/bible-translation-status.pdf, an ongoing global exercise  may not be out of context to mention here.  When it comes to evangelistic work and translation of  ' Gods words' reaching out to society through the  'Tongue of  People', Papacy has held extreme positions on what need to be the  standards of translation, motive and guidance, the stand on official language of the Church for Religion -ritual needs for mediating between humans and 'Gods (?!). The 'magic of language' that enabled mortals to speak to people on the other side of ' River of death'-  as seen in Ulysses at  Hades ' (Homers Epic) , Hamlets speaking to ghosts ( Shakespeare) was lost way back and religion teams pushed this as 'witch-language and witch craft'. Even now, Papacy is reluctant to talk about ' language magic- miracles - sorcery'  and the like; and keeps the talk on early Greek and (Koine ) Latin translations of Old Testament in a hush-hush wraps!     

3. There is a clear  difference between ' motives in translation (Bhashaa-antarana, anu-vaada)' and 'building popular re-narrated versions ( punar-niroopana, kathaa, pravachana,)  of scripture in peoples tongues for a reach out effort'. The purpose and audience are different. The investors are also different in these projects ! 

   There are plenty of examples for good, bad , worst on both sides. If one is considered as ghastly, then the other side is equally guilty of the same error.

 

4. For academic debate and scholarly research, the challenge of ' language' and  'translation' is handled in Samskruth tradition in a specific way.  This ' indigenous linguistic theory' for ' Indian languages'  is a subject theme for research and falls out of formal academic research in colonial and oriental  studies.

Indian language families are classifiable in to four large segments as below, for the purpose of translation consideration.

4a)  Totally Non-Translatable Indic languages :  The examples are  'Darshana' like 'Vedas', which are considered transcendental. The  'language of Vedas ' is technically called 'Chandas' ( Brahmi, Bharati, sarasvati, Vak, Accented Sanskrit ?). This  is a-historical, transcendental, mystic, not locked to any human of any period. The deliberation on this needs consciousness layers related discussion. This is not an element or a factor in academic indology and linguistics !  The simple clear term is ' A-Paurusheya', (translated as 'Vedic Language of a migrating tribals, and historical society saved by a God, an academic axiom basic to all IE linguistics) , is a  concept that does not exist in Old Testament anchored linguistics and  traditions anywhere. The closest concept for this is ' Logos' - In the beginning, there was Word,.... and Word was God ( John), which does not need a ' Jesus of Nazareth' as a savior under religion language model.

4b) Limited Translatable Indic languages:  This is 'Deva-Bhashaa' also known now as 'Classical Sanskrit, Paninian language, literary Sanskrit, Hybrid Sanskrit, Buddhist sanskrit' ! This is a language with unknown antiquity, integrally connected with 'Chandas' and  a derivative of Chandas.  The relation between Chandas- Bhashaa can be compared to the (Para-Brahma- Devataa)- ( Transcendental Divine - Gods(Devas )-  Parabrahma of Upanishads - Brahma deva of Trimurthy in puranas.

4c) Fairly translatable and Root connectable to  Bhashaa - Indic language:  These are called the Prakruts and Apabhramshas. These are Sanskrit Bhashaa- derivatives which becomes prakruths; Prakrtuh derivatives which become apabhramsha; apabhramsha derivatives  which become Mlecchita and Desi. i.e. This is the largest chunk of Social Historical languages which are emerging out of a ' Proto- source', the nature of which is partially traceable . But not understood fully.  

 What is called today's English, is a far removed derivative in this chain in the Greek- Latin - ....stream. The connection of English to Chandas and Bhashaa are very difficult in translation.

4d) Encrypted Indic languages of Brahmi family: These are technically called 'dramidam' ( or more technically the Siddha-Bhashaa, in contrast to 'Yoga-Bhashaa' classification of Brahmi family of languages). These are Chandas and Bhashaa- encryptions which becomes discipline and teaching context specific. Many classical south Indian languages come uder this category. These encrypted languages are also collocated with 'Bhashaa' and carry their own grammars. These are languages of communities which follow Siddha-Yogi's teachings. These are ' Proto- sourced' to Chandas and Bhashaa.  The encryption nature  of Dramidams to Brahmi are called ' Tatsama-Tadbhava' formations. These are again rule based; different from Bhashaa- Prakrut paradigm of connection. This is native linguistics of Indian languages with in Indian (Bharateeya) landscape.  This part of Indian Language - analytics is not welcome in IE linguistics, as it makes the Indo-Aryan language narrative and  OT origin for Indian languages to become redundant. See IE language family details at  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages .

 Regards

BVK Sastry

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[R Balagopal]

Respected Sriram Ji,

>>>....are they not cheating themselves 

Their objective itself is to trap as many into the net. Once they get them it is their fodder. What else to expect from those unscrupulous ones!

Along with handling these fellows the way they will understand let our faith in the promise 'yatha yatha...' may remain undented.

Regards

Balagopal

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[Bijoy Misra]

It is interesting that Ken P did manage to get in here to cause distractions.

There may be many Ken P agents hired by the system!

I am studying nineteenth century history of India!

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[Dr BVK Sastry]

Namaste

 

On the point < believe that God speaks in Sanskrit, then the Bible must be in Sanskrit - that was the main purpose of the Monier Williams dictionary.   >  :

 

If that be so, then the next corollary is : <  If Vedas are resoruce material to learn Sanskrit (deva-Bhashaa):Gods language, then Bible can also be used to teach Sanskrit.

 

Outcome of this is the web page :  Note on http://www.sanskritbible.in/index.html  (scroll down): Image placed below.

 

Question: How Would this sanskrit be useful , relevant to understand Vedas ? Valmiki, Vyasa,  Vedanta Desika ? Vyasaraja ? Vadi Raja ?

How will grammarians help to justify ' vaada  ' to mean  'Word/ Logos'  ?

 

 

For your contemplation pl.

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

 

 

 

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Sir

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[R Balagopal]

Rightly said, Kannan Ji .

 

In fact the entire Mathura wasn't bad. But the minority aka Kamsa literally ran roughshod over the good majority. This, historically, went on happening world over. Every other civilization were made to bite dust. Except India where Somnath kept on resurrecting. Being 'sanatanattwam', its Swaroopa, the Tree with the fruits will ever stand and the tree fellers will keep up, their efforts like the Godot's wait ! 

Probably it is a 'pRabala pRArabdha', which calls for much stronger handling.

Regards

Balagopal

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[विश्वासो वासुकेयः]

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 6:07:55 PM UTC+5:30, Dr.BVK Sastry wrote:

 

How will grammarians help to justify ' vaada  ' to mean  'Word/ Logos'  ?

λόγος,n  \{log'-os}
1) of speech  1a) a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea  1b) what someone has said  1b1) a word  1b2) the sayings of God  1b3) decree, mandate or order  1b4) of the moral precepts given by God  1b5) Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets  1b6) what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a  weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim  1c) discourse  1c1) the act of speaking, speech  1c2) the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking  1c3) a kind or style of speaking  1c4) a continuous speaking discourse - instruction  1d) doctrine, teaching  1e) anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative  1f) matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter  in dispute, case, suit at law  1g) the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed  2) its use as respect to the MIND alone  2a) reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating,  reasoning, calculating  2b) account, i.e. regard, consideration  2c) account, i.e. reckoning, score  2d) account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment  2e) relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation  2e1) reason would  2f) reason, cause, ground  3) In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the  personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in  creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the  world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement  of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the  Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth  conspicuously from His words and deeds.

The translation is not unreasonable.

The makers of this site have this to say (see their FAQ section at the bottom of the page):

"The general perception among missionares who were also Sanskrit scholars was so: “Such, indeed, is the exuberance and flexibility of Sanskrit language and its power of compounding words that it will probably be found, next to Hebrew and Greek, the most expressive vehicle of Christian truth.”
In other words, “the translated text in Sanskrit is as if the original Greek and Hebrew texts are looking in a mirror. The meanings are not at all lost, but are enhanced.”

The above reason alone is good enough to substantiate this endeavour of Bible in Sanskrit. What it says is that, out of all the thousands of Bible translations (full Bible in 554 and portions in 2,932 languages), the Sanskrit translation is the only one that has preserved or even enhanced the meaning of the original text. It is as if the Hebrew and Greek texts have found their long lost twin sister in Sanskrit texts. Should we say more! "

[Bijoy Misra]

< believe that God speaks in Sanskrit, then the Bible must be in Sanskrit - that was the main purpose of the Monier Williams dictionary.   >  :

I didn't know this.  After the 2001 event in the US, there were efforts in churches to educate people on different faiths

and religions.  I was invited to a big Catholic church called Glastonbury Abbey In Hingham, MA, run by Benedictine monks. 

I had chosen to speak on "Hindu Prayers".  The Church grounds were lovely, overlooking the Atlantic Ocean.  I loved the

audience and engaged them in various chanting.  During the Q&A, a person (linked with our Divinity School) raised hand

and asked the seemingly innocent question "Which language does God speak?"

I replied "God has no language.  He knows our heart."  There was stunned silence in the room.

I did quip "God is reading our hearts."

This was 2003 Oct.  There may be a video in the Catholic archives. 

I should also mention that I had the opportunity to listen to Gregorian chant by Father Nicholas in the service

before we went to the lecture.  His devotion and care in articulation impressed me to create tutorial on chanting

as I did.  https://www.glastonburyabbey.org/    Father Nicholas is the pastor with the stick.  

 

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[विश्वासो वासुकेयः]

On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 11:57:48 AM UTC+5:30, Sunil Nakum wrote:

Dear All,

Without going into much details of it's authenticity, the sender "ken p" of this link reminded me someone we are all familiar with in BVP. I'm not providing any link of the replies sent by this person/bot but at certain point of time he/she/it used to send replies to almost every email on the thread. Many members had raised concerned about his/her/it's authenticity but AFAIK there was no reply by him.

Ken Patel seems to be a real person (an uncle residing in some western country ).

Most replies were just out of first few links from relevant google search links.

 

True

 

So without wasting your valuable time in looking or even clicking such links.

Think - But for him, most of us would not have stumbled upon this (well done) site!

 

My simple suggestion would be to ask the administrator of the group to

remove this member or investigate who/why someone does it (since yours is a group of programmers!)?

That's just his nature - I've found filtering his responses adequate (and worth my time given the fraction of useful posts such as this).

 

Dhanyoshmi,

Sunil

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Thank you, Vishvas, for this example of calm and equanimity.

Irene

On 8/16/19, विश्वासो वासुकेयः <vishvas...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Friday, August 16, 2019 at 11:57:48 AM UTC+5:30, Sunil Nakum wrote:
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>> Dear All,
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>> Without going into much details of it's authenticity, the sender "*ken p*"

>>> *biblio-graphy/biblio-phile/biblio-mania* etc.

>>> Contrastively, "Veda" means "Knowledge".

>>> *Bible *can only be translated as *pustakam.*
>>>

>>> To translate a word that means a mere book as "Satya Veda"
>>> is not only unadulterated nonsense, but plain mischief
>>> (look at the audacity of the unwarranted adjective):

>>> plainly meant to imply "You may have the veda; but we have the *true *

>>> veda"!
>>> (By implication, yours is a false veda).
>>>
>>> These brazen proselytizers who pontificate on "tolerance" and "equality
>>> of religions",
>>> and have a track record of destroying numerous cultures all through
>>> history,
>>> just want to desecrate everything. Nothing else.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 9:07 AM विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki) <
>>> vishva...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote:
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>>>> From: ken p <drk...@gmail.com <javascript:>>
>>>> Date: Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 8:20 AM
>>>> Subject: Is there a corpus of Sanskrit->English translations?
>>>> To: sanskrit-programmers <sanskrit-p...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>>
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>>>> You may take a look at this site for Sanskrit to English translation.
>>>> http://www.sanskritbible.in/index.html
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[K S Kannan]

What minority and majority are you speaking of, Mr. Balagopal?

The systematic genocide the Vatican and the Arab Nationalism are wreaking overtly and covertly

is an open book. The cultural and intellectual genocide they have specialised in are so designed as to never come to a halt.

Their agenda is fixed : it may only assume various allotropic forms.

And as they say, the more they change, the more they remain the same :

"There was but one true Christian, and he was crucified"

Statistics must be easily available as to how many countries have already been doomed to Christianity,

and how many damned to be Islamic. (Alternatively,  study population-wise ie. in terms of percentage of world population).

To destroy others, changing their demography is the chief weapon.

That is why democracy is paramount!

If we do not wake up at least now, the world will be witness to internecine bloodbaths

- between whom ? : only Christians and Muslims, both contenders for Jerusalem.

And wars do not decide who is right, only who is left.

Of course, they have company in Leftists (they will feel left out if left unmentioned).

I do not know whose scores are more - the competion is so fierce! :

the no. of people killed by Christians/Muslims/Marxists of various hues.

All this is, however, not to say that there are no sane voices here and there among them.

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[K S Kannan]

For all his good will, and high education, it is a pity that Prof. Bijoy Misra

did not know the unabashed declarations of Monier Williams and Max Muller,

even the most famous names to reckon with.

If we fail to notice their overt declarations and proud proclamations,

how are we to know what they do subversively and by subterfuge?

This is how we enjoyed slavery for a thousand years.

[Krishna Kashyap]

If someone does not see this youtube video, which makes it obvious and just hears the words.

it can be mistaken to be taken from some Hindu Stotra

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymC0M-WH3f4 

this is known as KRISTHU-BHUJANGAM which is similar to several BHUJANGA style verses.

See that there is a huge controversy regarding a similar subject below:

 

https://www.organiser.org/Encyc/2018/8/28/How-is-Church-Replacing-Shri-Ram-with-Prabhu-Jesus-in-Carnatic-Music.html 

 

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[Megh Kalyanasundaram]

Professor Kannan, 

With regard to your statement "I do not know whose scores are more ... the no. of people killed by Christians/Muslims/Marxists of various hues", while I would be happy to be pointed to (by anyone who is aware of) either a more authoritative or more comprehensive database than Matthew White's The Great Big Book of Horrible Things: The Definitive Chronicle of History's 100 Worst Atrocities , until then, here are some excerpts that might be relevant to your point: 

According to White (on page 554):

1. ‘ONE HUNDRED DEADLIEST MULTICIDES’ got ‘455 million killed overall’.
2. Of that 445 million, ‘IDEOLOGICAL MULTICIDES’ (32 in total: ref. p. 549) accounted for 142 million
3. This is further broken down as ‘RELIGION: 47 million’ (13 of the 32 above), ‘COMMUNISM: 67 million’ (6 of 32) and ‘RED-WHITE CIVIL WARS: 26 million’ (6 of 32).

In the chapter titled RELIGIOUS KILLING (p. 107-112), on page 111, under the heading ‘In God We Trust’, is included:

If we categorise the entries in this list according to which religions came into conflict, we get this simplified breakdown:

Christian vs. Christian: 9

Muslim vs. Christian: 3

Christian vs. Jewish: 3

Eastern vs. Christian: 3

Jewish vs. pagan: 2

Muslim vs. Chinese: 2

Muslim vs. Muslim: 2

Human sacrifice in India: 1

Human sacrifice in Mexico: 1

Ritual killing in Rome: 1

Muslim vs. Hindu: 1

Manichaean vs. Taoist: 1

On p. 529, where White ranks the 100 deadliest multicides, one finds the following:

1. Second world war (1939 – 45): 66,000,000

2. Mao Zedong (1949 – 76): 40,000,000

4. Famines in British India (18th – 20th centuries) – 27,000,000

11. Conquest of the Americas (after 1942) – 15,000,000

23. Aurangzeb (1658 – 1707) – 4,600,000

                                     

Best,

Megh

For those interested, I had cited the above data in this response to a statement by Nivedita Menon.

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[K S Kannan]

Thank you, Megh, for the statistics.

Eye-openers.

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[Bijoy Misra]

Prof Kannan,

I agree.  I am not conversant with the writing of either MW or Max Mueller.

i didn't have an opportunity to study them. 

Now I know, but I avoid. 

When I was asked in 2003, I had zero idea that it was a prevailing

discussion among the missionaries.

I do avoid many of the half-baked writings, which I see are only correlations.

I do see their circulation through media and otherwise.  There is a heavy

amount of colonial interpretation which we must totally reject! 

All must join hands in boycotting useless literature.

Best regards,

Bijoy Misra

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[विश्वासो वासुकिजः (Vishvas Vasuki)]

I am glad that shrI kaNNan seems to refute the popular "we're sanaatan" fallacy - "Being 'sanatanattwam', its Swaroopa, the Tree with the fruits will ever stand and the tree fellers will keep up, their efforts like the Godot's wait ". It is one thing to be vanishing refugees/ survivors like Yezidis or Parsis or zeme Heraka - but that's hardly like the "tree" surviving - more like some neglected twig hanging on to life. Typically, elites of pagan societies hit by the corpse cult (Romans, Egyptians or Greeks) realize the danger too late to take consistent decisive action (Japan being a rare exception).

There are several other popular strains of typical Hindu fallacies (vishva-guru-syndrome, alternate reality syndrome), which I hope get similar counterpoints :-)

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[Dr BVK Sastry]

Namaste

 

In the context of discussion invoking the name of Monier Williams - < Christianity- Sanskrit- bible >   one may prefer to read the following book: Brahminism and Hinduism : Religious thought and life in India  (1891 publication)

 

      https://archive.org/details/brahmanismhindui00moni/page/n10 -

 

This will help in understanding  how oriental anchor of  bearings of History and how long ' Orientalists have pushed this agenda on Sanskrit studies in India.   It is going beyond the 'unabashed declaration', motives and ' lamentation on past'.    It is about the strategy, persistent  work, and apathy of Home teams in swallowing the sugar coated  'poison pills' !  and passing it on as ' authentic for post independence India'.

 

Lot more water has passed  below the bridge over a century. The scholars of pre-internet era need to  answer why they could not educate the generations on these strategies  and counter these studies ?  There are many more resources like this, which has impacted the 'Core of vedic Tradition and Samskruth studies'.  The accident has taken place. the choice is straight forward and clear:  

 

Wake up, stop bashing the old dead horse. Show how the traditions are useful for good living globally in 21st century. Is this not the pooja samkalpa one recites to stand by ?

and the vedic wish -' Bhardam shrunuyama , vyashema devahitam yadaayuh'.

 

What is the model of Loka-hita from Vedic tradition is what needs to be  implemented to answer MW challenge observations .

One needs to answer what Dr. Ambedkar raised the  issues, building his thoughts on Monier Williams and team's writings, in  Who Were The Shudras - by B. R. Ambedkar  (Year-1946  ) Free downloadable book at :  https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.282497

 

Regards

BVK Sastry

 

 

 

 

 

 

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For all his good will, and high education, it is a pity that Prof. Bijoy Misra  did not know the unabashed declarations of Monier Williams and Max Muller,even the most famous names to reckon with.

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"Show how the traditions are useful for good living globally in 21st
century. Is this not the pooja samkalpa one recites to stand by?"

This is so well put, Sir.

Irene

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[G S S Murthy]

Respected Scholars and lovers of Sanskrit,

It is with some hesitation that I am expressing my views.

This august forum sometimes moves away from its main, as I believe, objective of discussing all aspects associated with Sanskrit and texts in Sanskrit. Because of the nature of Sanskrit texts, Sanatana dharma becomes an integral part of any discussion. 

All said and done, Western scholars have contributed immensely in helping English-educated Indians recognize the richness of Sanskrit and Sanskrit texts. The scholars got funds from Christian sources and even the most reluctant scholar had to somehow  justify the utility of his work for the propagation of Christianity. It could be a pure survival strategy. Missionary zeal which is so evident in the Preface of a work rarely raises its head in the main work. This is my impression.

Thanks and regards,

Murthy 

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[Roland Steiner]

> then the Bible must be in Sanskrit -
> that was the main purpose of the Monier Williams dictionary.

"It [= Monier-Willams's dictionary] is little more than a translated abridgement of the great dictionary of Böhtlingk and Roth." (Richard Gombrich: On Being Sanskritic. A Plea for Civilized Study and the Study of Civilization. Oxford: Clarendon Press 1978. p. 18)

The whole booklet can be downloaded here:

http://sangharajamcbs.com/sites/archive/richard009.pdf

(I arrive at the same result in an article which will be published this year.)


Best,
RS

[Kalicharan Tuvij]

Namaste.

Christianity should not be put on the same footing as Islam or Marxism; despite its flaws Christianity has been a net plus for humanity.

Not waging wars - I don't see this as some kind of virtue. Even an intellectual pursuit in my opinion is - has to be - a shadow of a real war. Lack of this attitude is seen in R&D across domains - Defence included - in India. If you can't increase productivity of people then why have the universitites and the R&D centers?

One more personal observation:
With purushartha, a person is able to take one quantum leap in one life-time. I've never seen a good Muslim evolve into a Hindu in a single lifetime; but I've seen a good Christian evolve into a Hindu in one lifetime. For the former it is two leaps and impossible, whereas for the latter it is one leap and possible.

And yes I do believe in all that - sanatana, alternate reality, vishva-guru, etc.

[Roland Steiner]

No comment, but a simple question to the moderators and the members of
the advisory board of this list:

Are the last postings of Dr. K.S. Kannan to this tread
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in accordance with the rules of the BVP?


R. Steiner (German Indologist and "moderated" member, for whatever reason)

[Nagaraj Paturi]

I was not able to reach a post by Prof. Kannan through the link provided by Dr Steiner.  

I was away for my teaching for a few hours before now. 

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[Nagaraj Paturi]

This thread seems to be going in all directions. 

Intention of the thread initiating post , on the basis of what the initiating member posted later in the thread seems to be to focus on suitability of Sanskrit in translating from classical Greek and classical Hebrew sources such as the Greek and Hebrew versions of the Bible. 

The makers of this site have this to say (see their FAQ section at the bottom of the page):

"The general perception among missionares who were also Sanskrit scholars was so: “Such, indeed, is the exuberance and flexibility of Sanskrit language and its power of compounding words that it will probably be found, next to Hebrew and Greek, the most expressive vehicle of Christian truth.”
In other words, “the translated text in Sanskrit is as if the original Greek and Hebrew texts are looking in a mirror. The meanings are not at all lost, but are enhanced.”

The above reason alone is good enough to substantiate this endeavour of Bible in Sanskrit. What it says is that, out of all the thousands of Bible translations (full Bible in 554 and portions in 2,932 languages), the Sanskrit translation is the only one that has preserved or even enhanced the meaning of the original text. It is as if the Hebrew and Greek texts have found their long lost twin sister in Sanskrit texts. Should we say more! 

Prof. Kannan's immediate response was to the title of the book . " Satya Vedah" . He found it to be a wrong and misleading translation. Few can disagree with that observation. 

The ensuing discussion was all about motivations behind such misleadingly wrong translations. 

The focus of the thread initiation as mentioned above and this justifiable discussion triggered by the translation in the title are two different topics. 

The thread is being closed.