What is a Conselho de Familia in an inventario?

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IslandRoutes

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Aug 11, 2019, 8:42:08 PM8/11/19
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I am helping a cousin interpret the inventario she got on her relative. We keep seeing the term conselho de familia and noticed that people were selected for it.

Is this a normal part of the inventario process? What is their role in the proceedings?

Thanks,
Melody

Cheri Mello

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Aug 11, 2019, 8:44:35 PM8/11/19
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I saw that in a bunch of inventories that I copied last year. I kinda interpreted the "concelho de familia" as the interested blood lines in the deceased's estate.
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Ângela Loura

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JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

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I still don’t understand when a family council is needed, but using Google translate, there are these guidelines for family councils—

They should consist of 5 parents (relatives?) closest to the family and who resides in the legal jurisdiction, three from the paternal side and two from the maternal side.  Preferably they should be older, but they each will have an equal degree of judgement.  

1. If there are no relatives other than one of the lines, the other _________ will be named from the friends of the minor's parents, except that in this case, even if this line is maternal, it will supply three __________. (The term
Hais comes up vowel... must mean something like person.)

2. The German brothers, and the husbands of the German sisters, may all be members of the family council together, even if they are more than five; but if they form an even number, one more relative will be called. (Does Germanos and Germanas mean German as translate says?)

Do you know when these were needed?

Debbie

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Aug 12, 2019, 10:41:09 AM8/12/19
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I can not read Portuguese but Germanos is not people from Germany because it is called something different in Portuguese. I think they are referring to twins.

 

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Margaret Vicente

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Aug 12, 2019, 10:57:56 AM8/12/19
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The Concelho de família could be interpreted as a “board of directors” these directors were, five in the the 19th Century but presently only two are required.

This is Civil Code and is enforced when there’s a death in the family of one of the heads of that family and there is no Will and Testament in most cases.
They play the role of overseers for the Court and have the right to vote when there’s disagreement.  They’re also responsible to take inventory of all assets and are responsible for it. Main role is to ensure that minors are taken care of.

Irmãos Germanos - are the children who are born of the same parents.

Margaret

Nancy Couto

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A brother german or sister german is someone you share both parents with. It means a full sibling rather than a half- or step-sibling. A cousin german is the same as a first cousin. The term comes from the Latin word “germanus,” which means “full” or “own.”

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IslandRoutes

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Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very helpful.

I have another question. Who selects the conselho members? Are there elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?

Thank you all for your help!

Margaret Vicente

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You’re welcome!

 

The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the “widow”.  She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one to be the head of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next door neighbor.

 

What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link for the present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in Portuguese.

 

Margaret

 

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Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very helpful. 

 

I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

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Mary Bordi

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See the one of the alternate meanings of “germano”.  

  :)

Mary


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You’re welcome!

 

The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the “widow”.  She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one to be the head of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next door neighbor.

 

What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link for the present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in Portuguese.

 

Margaret

 

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Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very helpful. 

 

I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

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JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

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Vogais is the other term that was not translated correctly.   Margaret, what does it mean?   My spellcheck changed it in my earlier email.   It goes where the line was in the google translation.    

Glad for the correct Germanos translation.   Does that term at all connect with the similar surname that I have come across several times?

Debbie




JesseAndDeborah Mendonca

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Aug 12, 2019, 8:06:16 PM8/12/19
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Thank you, Mary!

Debbie



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See the one of the alternate meanings of “germano”.  

  :)

Mary

On Monday, August 12, 2019, Margaret Vicente <margare...@gmail.com> wrote:

You’re welcome!

 

The file should include a page with the Court’s instructions regarding the election of the Council.  In my  case the members were elected by the “widow”.  She selected 3 of her husband’s brothers of which she named one to be the head of Council, and the other two were her brother and the next door neighbor.

 

What Angela provided is right for that time period but, here’s the link for the present Civil Code regulations of the Family Council.  It’s in Portuguese.

 

Margaret

 

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Thank you all for your answers! Angela and Margaret your descriptions are very helpful. 

 

I have another question.  Who selects the conselho members?  Are there elders in the family who are automatically appointed, would the widow or grown children select them, or is the court the one that names them?

 

Thank you all for your help!

 

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Debbie,

 

A ‘vogal’  translates to “member ”, in this case; a member of the Family Council.

 

The surname is probably due to a first name adopted by the next generation as their last name.  To exemplify it, someone name Germano X had a son who was given the name Pedro who then would go on as Pedro + Germano = Pedro Germano

 

I looked up the Etymology of the word and post it here for a quick look, to see more please click on the link

 

Etymology

From Latin germānus (“brotherly”).

germano (feminine singular germana, masculine plural germani, feminine plural germane)

1.   born from the same parents

fratello germano ― sibling

germano m (plural germani)

1.   (poetic) brother

Synonym: fratello

 

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/germano#Etymology_2

 

Margaret

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