Audax Australia Brevet Editor FW: What is a possible time and average speed for a 300

[Matthew Rawnsley]

We all know that riders must finish within a maximum time limit before being rewarded with a Homologation Number.

But what the other end of the scale?

Can a rider complete a distance to quickly and not be rewarded with a Homologation Number?

cheers

Audax Australia Brevet Editor

Matt Rawnsley

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Subject: What is a possible time and average speed for a 300

 

Hi all,

An average of 40km/h for a 300??? (Actually 317km.)  And finished in under 8 hours!

Of course in a race, apart from being superhuman pros, they have feed zones etc.

I was interested in Brian's comment that it is "considered a mainly flat course" – with 2700m of climbing! – Well, the first half is mainly flat.

I was tempted to bring this up at the meeting but didn't think it was appropriate, and an email would be better anyway, to see the Strava link and my screenshot of part of it.

Cheers,

Glen

 

From: Brian Thompson
Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2020 12:54 PM
To: Glen Thompson
Subject: 317.2 km Ride Activity on 8 August 2020 by Mike W. on Strava

 

https://www.strava.com/activities/3883890795 

 

Hi Glen,

Thought you'd be interested in this.......Milan - San Remo raced last Saturday. It's normally held on the 3rd Saturday in March. One of the "Spring Classics".

Normally it is 297km in length but because of the time of year the local Mayors didn't want the roads closed in their area so the route was changed somewhat and lengthened to 317km with close to 2700 metres of climbing! Normally it's considered a mainly flat course and one for the sprinters. Check the race time and average speed!!!

Brian

[Helen Lew Ton]

Audax Australia ride rule 35 stipulates that intermediate and finishing control opening times are based on speed of 30 kph. Logically you cannot finish before the final control opens.

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While we are discussing control opening times

 

Extract from the ACP BRM rules:

 

Article 10 : Overall time limits vary for each brevet according to the distance. These are: (in hours and minutes, HH:MM) 13:30 for 200 KM, 20:00 for 300 KM, 27:00 for 400 KM, 40:00 for 600 KM, and 75:00 for 1000 KM.

Additionally, riders must arrive at each checkpoint between the opening and closing time for the checkpoint and calculated as follows:
Opening: 34 km / h (km 1 to 200); 32 km / h (km 201 to 400); 30 km / h (km 401 to 600); 28 km / h (km 601 to 1000); commercial rounded by the minute.

 

We need to revise the AA – ACP agreement as there are things don’t align with current ACP BRM rules.

 

 

Regards

Brian Hornby

AA Ride Services Chair Person / Queensland Region President

https://www.strava.com/activities/3883890795 

 

Hi Glen,

Thought you'd be interested in this.......Milan - San Remo raced last Saturday. It's normally held on the 3rd Saturday in March. One of the "Spring Classics".

Normally it is 297km in length but because of the time of year the local Mayors didn't want the roads closed in their area so the route was changed somewhat and lengthened to 317km with close to 2700 metres of climbing! Normally it's considered a mainly flat course and one for the sprinters. Check the race time and average speed!!!

Brian

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[DaveM]

There are plenty of other audax/randonneuring organisations that top out opening times at 30 kph. I think RUSA is the main organisation with speeds directly aligned with ACP. The ACP has has that sliding scale of opening times for quite a few years. I would only change the Aussie rules if you really truly felt the need to. Personally, I don’t.

[Glen Thompson]

I can understand the need for control opening times and maximum speeds for supported rides with controls manned by volunteers, but as a RO of only unsupported rides of no more than 300km, I do think a maximum acceptable speed doesn't make sense for unsupported rides. That said, with the clock never stopping 30km/h would be very hard to achieve anyway, so I'm happy to ignore the maximum speeds.
Glen

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[Peter Barlow]

Hi Glen,

The reason for a maximum speed comes down to one of the fundamental
principles of audax/randonneuring rides ie IT IS NOT A RACE.
Remove the maximum speed & someone will want to set a record time for the
course, followed by someone trying to beat it & then it's a race.
There are plenty of outlets for people wanting to race their bicycles &
audax is not one of them.

Peter

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[Robert Hoehne]

In one of the BQ editions some time ago they covered the history of Audax rides, from memory, separating Audax from a race was the primary reason for the limit.

Robert

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[Bill Parker]

30 kph, can bicycles go that fast, mine can't, wonder what is wrong with it?

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[Peter Barlow]

Mine either, unless there’s a significant hill involved!  I am always astounded at the pace of professional cyclists during their grand tours.  Average speed of a stage often exceeds 40 kph despite climbing & descending a couple of mountain ranges!

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