INTERESTING LESSONS FROM ILE-IFE

[Joe Attueyi]

I am not a fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why it may interest some folks. However when I read all these campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is traditional about the office?

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PENDULUM BY DELE MOMODU, Email:  dele....@thisdaylive.com

“To stay cheerful when involved in a gloomy and exceedingly responsible business is no inconsiderable art: yet what could be more necessary than cheerfulness? Nothing succeeds in which high spirits play no part…”

– Friedrich Nietzsche, TWILIGHT OF THE IDOLS/THE ANTI-CHRIST

Fellow Nigerians, it is no longer news that I was born and bred in the ancient town of Ile-Ife, the spiritual home of the Yoruba people of South West Nigeria. That great city prepared me for the incredible journey of life. It was where I spent about 26 out of 28 years of my earliest sojourn on earth. If Nigeria had grown out of the cocoon of ethnic discrimination and attained the assimilative tendencies of the United States of America, I would be handsomely qualified to dream of actualising anything I wanted to achieve in that community.  But that is a story for the gods.

The big news out of Ife started months ago when The Ooni of Ife Oba Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse II took ill and then joined his ancestors. This sudden development threw Ile-Ife into some confusion and conundrum of sorts. The reason was simple. The news of His Imperial Majesty’s demise had filtered out of London. Eewo, taboo, the traditionalists screamed! The departure of such a spectacular monarch demanded a monumental drama to it. Ordinary mortals with feet of clay could not open their mouths wide and spew out such profanity. The king did not die. A king does not die here. He can only retire to the ceiling or loft, which I interpreted in modern parlance to be the equivalence of a penthouse. So the Ife Chiefs sent death back to wherever it came from and pronounced our dear king alive and kicking. In fact one Chief said matter-of-factly that he had just spoken on phone with the influential monarch who had been supposedly killed repeatedly by bloggers on social media.

Anyway, the king eventually left us on earth. I won’t know what day, or the appointed time, the doctors and nurses, recorded in their death register in far-away London. The theatrics would not just go away like that. When would the king return or arrive home? It was a long suspense. We held an interdenominational funeral service for our royal father but we had no knowledge of his presence anywhere near the palace.

As this went on, other things were cooking and brewing tempestuously away from prying eyes. Who becomes the next Ooni of Ife? It was a question no one could answer with certainty. But it soon became obvious that a motley crowd had more than casual interest in filling the gaping vacancy. As always, all the Ruling Houses of Ife expressed interest including that of the immediate past Ooni. Most of them did not bargain for a festering propaganda that would soon explode and consume and exterminate whatever ambition they harboured. It was the existence of a nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration which the government of the day had been sold on as a Testament. As I write this, it is still subject to litigation seeking interpretation and adjudication. The Declaration is one powerful and invincible document that has made it possible for one of the aspirants to the throne of Oduduwa from the Giesi Royal Family to be declared the brand new Ooni of Ife today.

A lot of water has passed under the bridge. My most wonderful friend, Prince Adedamola Aderemi, had thrown his hat in the ring and I had taken a kamikaze dive with him. Trust me, we gave it everything we had. We are not ones to do things in half measures. And we are not ones to hide behind one finger as many obviously wanted us to. From the outset, we had decided to do everything in the open. We took a decision to sell our candidate to the larger public because The Ooni Stool is not a squeamish institution but a very loud and prestigious one which requires courage and boldness. We were reasonably assured that Prince Adedamola has got all it takes to move Ife in the right direction. His combined pedigree is rare to come by anywhere, anytime. Anyone wanting to be The Ooni need not be a Saint but we reckoned he needed to possess the comportment and sagacity of an Angel. Prince Adedamola Aderemi is one such personality.

In terms of education, he is an accomplished scholar. In our childhood days, he had led the way as an exceptional student who graduated with LLB at the age of 19 and was called to the Nigerian Bar at 20. He was a Law teacher at the then University of Ife, after a stint at the Oyo State Ministry of Justice as a State Counsel. He rose to be Head of Department twice and was affectionately known to his students and everyone alike as “Bros Dammy” because of his gentle mien and readiness to help at all times. He never carried his royalty as grandson of The Ooni Sir Adesoji Tadeniawo Aderemi on his head. We’ve remained inseparable through thick and thin. 

Moving forward, we had mapped out our strategy carefully. In every battle, you must prepare for anything and everything including defeat. We were ready. We knew we had to encounter all sorts, particularly the principalities that held and still hold the jugular of our dear nation. We knew the position of a king is now less traditional and more political than it used to be centuries ago. That much was confirmed to us by practically all the elders we consulted or encountered. Ile-Ife is under the direct command and control of The State of Osun and its Governor, Ogbeni Rauf Aregbesola, a gentleman I admire so much as a gutsy character. The Governor himself reports to his principal in Lagos, former Governor of Lagos State, Asiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu, our comrade and indefatigable mentor since the days of the June 12 crusade. The godfather himself is surrounded by some diehard foot-soldiers who inform him on street-talks and try to influence him to act one way or another. A veritable stakeholder in Osun State is our highly respected father, Chief Bisi Akande, former Governor of Osun State. We were fortunate that nationally we could count on the Vice-President, Professor Yemi Osinbajo, who has been a long standing friend, brother and in-law of Prince Adedamola Aderemi going back to the days when they were both University lecturers. We simply reached out to all.

Yorubaland is also under the avuncular grip of the ubiquitous former President and Nigeria’s biggest brand, General Olusegun Obasanjo. To fulfil all righteousness, we knew we had to tap into his native wisdom. It was not difficult given Prince Adedamola’s maternal families’ relationship with the former President.

It was clear to us that this was a not just a regional but also a national task and we thus reached out to other notable government functionaries and senior politicians.  They include, Governors Akintunde Ambode of Lagos State, Ibikunle Amosun of Ogun State, Nasir El-Rufai of Kaduna State, Alhaji Atiku Bagudu of Kebbi State, former Governors Rotimi Amaechi and Kayode Fayemi, Princess Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, Senator Jide Omoworare, Senator Lanre Tejuoso, Senator Iyiola Omisore, Senator Gbenga Obadara, Senator Babafemi Ojudu, Hon. Niyi Afuye, Hon. Emeka Anohu amongst many more prominent politicians and elder statesmen like Lt. General Alani Akinrinade (rtd) , Chief Olanihun Ajayi and Dr Bode Olajumoke.

We had extensive networks and contacts with practically most of the powerful Yoruba monarchs. We had identified the disunity that ravaged Yorubaland as a scourge and cankerworm that needed to be exterminated. We decided to reach out to our kindred spirits. I will forever remain a great fan of The Awujale of Ijebuland, straight-forward and blunt to a fault, we gained immensely from our interaction with him. He gave us deep insight into what to expect on the thorn-infested path and it was very prophetic. We received prayers from far and near as spiritual fortification on the dangerous mission. The Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, was gracious to receive us at such short notice. We spent quality time with the Olowo Eko, Oba Rilwan Akiolu. Although we did not visit other traditional rulers like, the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba Lamidi Adeyemi, who has been a great admirer of Prince Aderemi since their paths crossed significantly in London many moons ago, the Osile of Oke-Ona Oba AdedapoTejuosho, his Step Father, Oba D V F Olateru-Olagbegi, the Olowo of Owo, who was Prince Adedamola’s teacher and mentor at the Nigerian Law School in 1980-1981 and Oba Adedokun Abolarin, the Orangun of Oke-Ila his great friend and former law student. We knew we could count on their support and prayers.

We did not limit our expedition to Yorubaland. As firm believers in the unity and indivisibility of Nigeria, we stretched our hands of fellowship across the Niger and gained tremendously from the incredible foresight of His Eminence, The Sultan of Sokoto Saa’d Abubakar III, and the boundless energy and entusiasm of His Highness, The Emir of Kano Lamido Sanusi.  Both received us warmly and showed us much affection. They prayed earnestly for us and gave us useful advice to help us cope with success or adversity.

The business community was not left out.  We have many good friends and they were quick to express solidarity with us and to tap into our vision and mission.  The likes of Alhaji Aliko Dangote, Olorogun Moses Taiga, Engineer Lanre Sagaya, Professor Ibrahim Gambari, Mr Sam Nwajoku, Mr Dapo Abiodun, Mr Tunde Babalola and Mr Ayo Babalola, some of who are not just friends but also clients, in-laws, classmates and business partners, were quite supportive. In this respect we must single out our wonderful friends, Mr Tunde Ayeni, Mr Jimoh Ibrahim and Mr Femi Otedola for their magnanimity, love and unusual support.

We could not have mounted the national drive that we did without the unstinting support of the print, electornic and social media. Prince Nduka “The Duke” Obaigbena towered above all others in tihis respect.  His support was complete and unalloyed. Ms Ijeoma Nwogwugwu Editor of Thisday, and crew of Thisday on Saturday, Mr Edward Dickson of the Tribune, Ben Memuletiwon of National Mirror, Seye Kehinde of City People, Kola Akanji of Osun State Broadcasting Service, Gbenga Adefaye Editor-in-Chief of Vanguard, Punch, The Sun, Kemi Akinyemi, the Ovation International and Ovation Tv team, etc all keyed into our Project.

You cannot of course hope to sit on the throne of your ancestors without enlisting the support of the traditional and city Chiefs of the Community.  We commend the 15 Ife Traditional Chiefs and the Araba of Ife, for the respect and affection they showed to us.  It is impossible to single out anyone of them but we must acknowledge our depth of gratitude to Lowa, Obajio, Jaaran, Obaloran and Arode who were all personally known to us before the quest began. We take this opportunity to pray for the sweet repose of the soul of the Obalufe, Oba Omisakin, who stoutly defended the traditional values of Ife and died in the service of the Community. We must salute the efforts of the Ife Legacy group for providing a powerful platform on WhatsApp for all aspirants.

We thank the other Chiefs and elders of Ife, in particular, the Balogun of Ife, Chief Bisi Omidiora (incidentally an uncle-in-law of Prince Adedamola), the Asiwaju, Chief Alex Duduyemi, the Iyalode, who is from the same Akui compound as Prince Aderemi as well as Sooko Waabodu, Princess Ojuolape Orafidiya, Prince Adedamola’s Aunt, and Prof Adesiyan Olawoyin, his uncle.

Our great friends, too numerous to count or mention played their part through prayers, solidarity calls, visits and even materially. Mrs Olabisi Shuaibu, Bola Olagbaju, Mr Raphael Lewu, Mr Folusho Adeagbo, Ms Nike Oshinowo, Ms Bukola Ayoola, Dr & Mrs Phillip Abiola, Mr Femi Osibanjo, Asmau Yartofa, Folakemi Fatogbe, Tunde Akinleye, The Adedayos, Justice ‘Ladiran Akintola, Wole Adelakun, Femi Kehinde, Prof Tale Omole, Jide Lanlehin, Wole Adenle, Gbolaga Ajayi, Prof Jide Owoeye, Mr Paul Onifade, Mr Sam Akpan, Mr Laitan Eyiowuawi, Dr Tony Akintomide all played major roles.

Our renowned lawyer friends, some of who double as respected religious leaders, gave support in a variety of ways. They include Prof Konyin Ajayi, Femi Atoyebi, Idowu Iluyomade,

Akin Olujimi, Rotimi Akeredolu, Dr Wale Olawoyin, Funke Aboyade, Niyi Akintola, Taiwo Taiwo, Dele Oye, Tunde Ajibade amongst a host of others.

Our older friends like Sir Gabriel Osawaru Igbinedion, Prof Ibrahim Gambari, Engineer Lanre Sagaya and Prince Arthur Eze were elated by our audacious bid.

We could not have done what we did without the total and unalloyed support of the larger Akui family and the Aderemi family in particularly. The family meetings we held were widely attended and the pledges of support were humbling and uplifting at the same time. Equally the Adegbenro family, the Oyediran family, the Awolowo family and the Sigbeku family were solid in their supoort for their son, Prince Adedamola.

Our Team was fantastic.  We could not have asked for better. Starting from Uncle Wale Adeeyo and Senator Tokunbo Afikuyomi to Damola’s brothers and cousins, Yemi, Dayo, Funmi, Debo, Yemi Nla, Sokan, Yanju, and the Ife backbone of Yomi Adenuga and Akin  Ofege supported by the entire Ovation crew of TV presenters, photographers and journalists, we had disciplined, well-heeled and efficient organisation to make anybody proud.

An Ooni-elect has emerged, Prince Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Ojaja II. We sincerely offer our congratulations and wish him, the traditional chiefs and the whole of Ife, well.  As Prince Adedamola Aderemi has said, the Ooni institution, Ife and the Yoruba race are greater than any of us and we must always recognise this and do nothing to rubbish our glorious heritage. 

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

I know Damola from Ife days. But his team may have made two mistakes:

(1). I was not contacted.
(2). God was not contacted.

If I had been contacted, I would have put only one question before the team.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko

PS: It was not wise for Dele Momodu to write all of this. That he was born and bred in Ife does not make him an Ife indigene - or Yoruba for that matter. Kii se gbogbo aso Ile  ni a nsa ninu orun..it is not all family clothes, rags and all, that we put out to dry for all to see. Ooniship is Yoruba papacy..the politics of ascension to Papacy is shrouded in secrecy..

On Saturday, October 31, 2015, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am not a fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why it may interest some folks. However when I read all these campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is traditional about the office?
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[Mobolaji Aluko]

My People:

I know Damola from Ife days. But his team may have made two mistakes:

(1). I was not contacted.
(2). God was not contacted.

If I had been contacted, I would have put only one question before the team.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko

PS: It was not wise for Dele Momodu to write all of this. That he was born and bred in Ife does not make him an Ife indigene - or Yoruba for that matter. Kii se gbogbo aso Ile  ni a nsa ninu orun..it is not all family clothes, rags and all, that we put out to dry for all to see. Ooniship is Yoruba papacy..the politics of ascension to Papacy is shrouded in secrecy..

On Saturday, October 31, 2015, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am not a fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why it may interest some folks. However when I read all these campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is traditional about the office?
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[A. Jagun]

Bolaji:

Well said ... or is it well stated!

'Dokun Jagun
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[KolaThomas]

With all due respect Joe Attueyi, I totally disagree with you and urge you not to cast aspersion on a very advance expression of traditional culture and democracy at work. The Yoruba culture, sir, is not localized but very global and the international community is sitting watching how the Yoruba is at the vanguard of teaching the world about royalty.

Joe Attueyi, it does not appear that you "understand why it may interest some folks..." It would have been better to ask questions why all the "campaign" as you put it. Our quest for explanation would have allowed perhaps more endowed scholars and Yoruba elders to provide all of us with poignant education, and you will not be attempting to rubbish a people like that. Some of your other postings are spot-on, but on this, you are totally off-base; and while it expresses self perception and bias, it is culturally insensitive and insulting to a revered cultural institution and Yoruba nation-state. Yes indeed, these are very "interesting lessons from Ile-Ife."

Consider if you may, the condition and social engineering that caused a sitting President of the Federal Republic to kneel in front of a Traditional Ruler. I did not read you casting aspersion or asking that the traditional institution be "scrapped"....

 

Joe Attueyi, I can assure you others are going to "yab" you on this one. Trust me on that...! Better recall your posting o...:)))

 

Humbly submitted,

-Kola Thomas

San Francisco, CA

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[afis 'Deinde]

This Dele Momodu is something else. Momodu is full of himself. I thought he was from Edo. Now he is Ile Ife.

Maybe he's being satirical. I read his nonsense below on the run, busy by a pool side.

He took his friend Prince Aderemi to even consult Atiku Abubakar, and Obiaghena in Igboland in order to become Ife King.

Thank God Ogunwusi was chosen.
Awon apoda dede!

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Leye Ige]

"As a Yoruba man, I have a lot of respect for our traditions but doubt the possibility of it reaching the level of prostrating for a 41 year old new Ooni of Ife"--Imperial.

Alagba Imperial,
When you prostrate for a "41 year old new Ooni of Ife" , you are NOT prostrating TO the "41 year old PERSON" but to the INSTITUTION he represents. His response to the prostration, that is, the reason why you are in his presence in the first instance, to warrant such an act will determine how BOTH of you respect and value the institution he represents. A haughty 41-year old could see it as "submission" to his person and rubbish whatever issue you present, same way an 80 year old person could easily dismiss you on account of his being older--- but if the issue is "solid" the 41 year-old would have no choice, even in his haughtiness, to respond positively otherwise the repercussion will go even beyond his own imagination; which is why it is said that "omode gbon, agba gbon la fi da Ile Ife"--so it is not a question about age.
Anyways, regardless of "tradition" the Supreme Being(GOD) controls the affairs of "men" such that earthly authorities also have to respond to higher/"heavenly" or GODLY responsibilities.
Leye Ige
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Much ado about nothing. Unlike in the
United Kingdom where the royal family is seen by all as the
role models,custodians of the English tradition, promote
British business and symbol of national unity, same
can't be said of over 100 assorted traditional royal
families in a poor  and dysfunctional country like Nigeria
. Gone are the days when the name of the
incumbent Ooni of Ife was used to influence huge businesses
and contracts from the state and federal governments, with a
man like President Buhari in power, I doubt our traditional
rulers would have similar influence on his business
decisions . As a Yoruba man, I have a lot of respect for our
traditions but doubt the possibility of it reaching the
level of prostrating for a 41 year old new Ooni of Ife
. 
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Gracious!


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Subject: INTERESTING LESSONS FROM ILE-IFE

I am not a
fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why
it may interest some folks. However when I read all these
campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in
order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may
be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from
Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is
traditional about the office?
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ILE-IFE31 Oct

2015Font Size: a / APENDULUM BY DELE MOMODU,

Email:  dele....@thisdaylive.com“To stay cheerful when
involved in a gloomy and exceedingly responsible business is
no inconsiderable art: yet what could be more necessary than
cheerfulness? Nothing succeeds in which high spirits play no
part…”– Friedrich Nietzsche, TWILIGHT OF

THE IDOLS/THE ANTI-CHRISTFellow Nigerians, it is no longer

news that I was born and bred in the ancient town of
Ile-Ife, the spiritual home of the Yoruba people of South
West Nigeria. That great city prepared me for the incredible
journey of life. It was where I spent about 26 out of 28
years of my earliest sojourn on earth. If Nigeria had grown
out of the cocoon of ethnic discrimination and attained the
assimilative tendencies of the United States of America, I
would be handsomely qualified to dream of actualising
anything I wanted to achieve in that community.  But that

is a story for the gods.The big news out of Ife started

months ago when The Ooni of Ife Oba Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse
II took ill and then joined his ancestors. This sudden
development threw Ile-Ife into some confusion and conundrum
of sorts. The reason was simple. The news of His Imperial
Majesty’s demise had filtered out of London. Eewo, taboo,
the traditionalists screamed! The departure of such a
spectacular monarch demanded a monumental drama to it.
Ordinary mortals with feet of clay could not open their
mouths wide and spew out such profanity. The king did not
die. A king does not die here. He can only retire to the
ceiling or loft, which I interpreted in modern parlance to
be the equivalence of a penthouse. So the Ife Chiefs sent
death back to wherever it came from and pronounced our dear
king alive and kicking. In fact one Chief said
matter-of-factly that he had just spoken on phone with the
influential monarch who had been supposedly killed

repeatedly by bloggers on social media.Anyway, the

king eventually left us on earth. I won’t know what day,
or the appointed time, the doctors and nurses, recorded in
their death register in far-away London. The theatrics would
not just go away like that. When would the king return or
arrive home? It was a long suspense. We held an
interdenominational funeral service for our royal father but
we had no knowledge of his presence anywhere near the

palace.As this went on, other things were

cooking and brewing tempestuously away from prying eyes. Who
becomes the next Ooni of Ife? It was a question no one could
answer with certainty. But it soon became obvious that a
motley crowd had more than casual interest in filling the
gaping vacancy. As always, all the Ruling Houses of Ife
expressed interest including that of the immediate past
Ooni. Most of them did not bargain for a festering
propaganda that would soon explode and consume and
exterminate whatever ambition they harboured. It was the
existence of a nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration which the
government of the day had been sold on as a Testament. As I
write this, it is still subject to litigation seeking
interpretation and adjudication. The Declaration is one
powerful and invincible document that has made it possible
for one of the aspirants to the throne of Oduduwa from the
Giesi Royal Family to be declared the brand new Ooni of Ife

today.A lot of water has passed under the

bridge. My most wonderful friend, Prince Adedamola Aderemi,
had thrown his hat in the ring and I had taken a kamikaze
dive with him. Trust me, we gave it everything we had. We
are not ones to do things in half measures. And we are not
ones to hide behind one finger as many obviously wanted us
to. From the outset, we had decided to do everything in the
open. We took a decision to sell our candidate to the larger
public because The Ooni Stool is not a squeamish institution
but a very loud and prestigious one which requires courage
and boldness. We were reasonably assured that Prince
Adedamola has got all it takes to move Ife in the right
direction. His combined pedigree is rare to come by
anywhere, anytime. Anyone wanting to be The Ooni need not be
a Saint but we reckoned he needed to possess the comportment
and sagacity of an Angel. Prince Adedamola Aderemi is one

such personality.In terms of education, he is an

all.Yorubaland is also under the

avuncular grip of the ubiquitous former President and
Nigeria’s biggest brand, General Olusegun Obasanjo. To
fulfil all righteousness, we knew we had to tap into his
native wisdom. It was not difficult given Prince
Adedamola’s maternal families’ relationship with the

former President.It was clear to us that this was a

not just a regional but also a national task and we thus
reached out to other notable government functionaries and
senior politicians.  They include, Governors Akintunde
Ambode of Lagos State, Ibikunle Amosun of Ogun State, Nasir
El-Rufai of Kaduna State, Alhaji Atiku Bagudu of Kebbi
State, former Governors Rotimi Amaechi and Kayode Fayemi,
Princess Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, Senator Jide
Omoworare, Senator Lanre Tejuoso, Senator Iyiola Omisore,
Senator Gbenga Obadara, Senator Babafemi Ojudu, Hon. Niyi
Afuye, Hon. Emeka Anohu amongst many more prominent
politicians and elder statesmen like Lt. General Alani
Akinrinade (rtd) , Chief Olanihun Ajayi and Dr Bode

Olajumoke.We had extensive networks and

contacts with practically most of the powerful Yoruba
monarchs. We had identified the disunity that ravaged
Yorubaland as a scourge and cankerworm that needed to be
exterminated. We decided to reach out to our kindred
spirits. I will forever remain a great fan of The Awujale of
Ijebuland, straight-forward and blunt to a fault, we gained
immensely from our interaction with him. He gave us deep
insight into what to expect on the thorn-infested path and
it was very prophetic. We received prayers from far and near
as spiritual fortification on the dangerous mission. The
Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, was gracious to
receive us at such short notice. We spent quality time with
the Olowo Eko, Oba Rilwan Akiolu. Although we did not visit
other traditional rulers like, the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba
Lamidi Adeyemi, who has been a great admirer of Prince
Aderemi since their paths crossed significantly in London
many moons ago, the Osile of Oke-Ona Oba AdedapoTejuosho,
his Step Father, Oba D V F Olateru-Olagbegi, the Olowo of
Owo, who was Prince Adedamola’s teacher and mentor at the
Nigerian Law School in 1980-1981 and Oba Adedokun Abolarin,
the Orangun of Oke-Ila his great friend and former law
student. We knew we could count on their support and

prayers.We did not limit our expedition to

Yorubaland. As firm believers in the unity and
indivisibility of Nigeria, we stretched our hands of
fellowship across the Niger and gained tremendously from the
incredible foresight of His Eminence, The Sultan of Sokoto
Saa’d Abubakar III, and the boundless energy and entusiasm
of His Highness, The Emir of Kano Lamido Sanusi.  Both
received us warmly and showed us much affection. They prayed
earnestly for us and gave us useful advice to help us cope

with success or adversity.The business community was not

left out.  We have many good friends and they were quick to
express solidarity with us and to tap into our vision and
mission.  The likes of Alhaji Aliko Dangote, Olorogun Moses
Taiga, Engineer Lanre Sagaya, Professor Ibrahim Gambari, Mr
Sam Nwajoku, Mr Dapo Abiodun, Mr Tunde Babalola and Mr Ayo
Babalola, some of who are not just friends but also clients,
in-laws, classmates and business partners, were quite
supportive. In this respect we must single out our wonderful
friends, Mr Tunde Ayeni, Mr Jimoh Ibrahim and Mr Femi
Otedola for their magnanimity, love and unusual

support.We could not have mounted the

national drive that we did without the unstinting support of
the print, electornic and social media. Prince Nduka “The
Duke” Obaigbena towered above all others in tihis
respect.  His support was complete and unalloyed. Ms Ijeoma
Nwogwugwu Editor of Thisday, and crew of Thisday on
Saturday, Mr Edward Dickson of the Tribune, Ben Memuletiwon
of National Mirror, Seye Kehinde of City People, Kola Akanji
of Osun State Broadcasting Service, Gbenga Adefaye
Editor-in-Chief of Vanguard, Punch, The Sun, Kemi Akinyemi,
the Ovation International and Ovation Tv team, etc all keyed

into our Project.You cannot of course hope to sit on

the throne of your ancestors without enlisting the support
of the traditional and city Chiefs of the Community.  We
commend the 15 Ife Traditional Chiefs and the Araba of Ife,
for the respect and affection they showed to us.  It is
impossible to single out anyone of them but we must
acknowledge our depth of gratitude to Lowa, Obajio, Jaaran,
Obaloran and Arode who were all personally known to us
before the quest began. We take this opportunity to pray for
the sweet repose of the soul of the Obalufe, Oba Omisakin,
who stoutly defended the traditional values of Ife and died
in the service of the Community. We must salute the efforts
of the Ife Legacy group for providing a powerful platform on

WhatsApp for all aspirants.We thank the other Chiefs and

elders of Ife, in particular, the Balogun of Ife, Chief Bisi
Omidiora (incidentally an uncle-in-law of Prince Adedamola),
the Asiwaju, Chief Alex Duduyemi, the Iyalode, who is from
the same Akui compound as Prince Aderemi as well as Sooko
Waabodu, Princess Ojuolape Orafidiya, Prince Adedamola’s

Aunt, and Prof Adesiyan Olawoyin, his uncle.Our great

friends, too numerous to count or mention played their part
through prayers, solidarity calls, visits and even
materially. Mrs Olabisi Shuaibu, Bola Olagbaju, Mr Raphael
Lewu, Mr Folusho Adeagbo, Ms Nike Oshinowo, Ms Bukola
Ayoola, Dr & Mrs Phillip Abiola, Mr Femi Osibanjo, Asmau
Yartofa, Folakemi Fatogbe, Tunde Akinleye, The Adedayos,
Justice ‘Ladiran Akintola, Wole Adelakun, Femi Kehinde,
Prof Tale Omole, Jide Lanlehin, Wole Adenle, Gbolaga Ajayi,
Prof Jide Owoeye, Mr Paul Onifade, Mr Sam Akpan, Mr Laitan
Eyiowuawi, Dr Tony Akintomide all played major

roles.Our renowned lawyer friends, some of

who double as respected religious leaders, gave support in a
variety of ways. They include Prof Konyin Ajayi, Femi

Atoyebi, Idowu Iluyomade,Akin Olujimi, Rotimi Akeredolu, Dr

Wale Olawoyin, Funke Aboyade, Niyi Akintola, Taiwo Taiwo,
Dele Oye, Tunde Ajibade amongst a host of

others.Our older friends like Sir Gabriel

Osawaru Igbinedion, Prof Ibrahim Gambari, Engineer Lanre
Sagaya and Prince Arthur Eze were elated by our audacious

bid.We could not have done what we did

without the total and unalloyed support of the larger Akui
family and the Aderemi family in particularly. The family
meetings we held were widely attended and the pledges of
support were humbling and uplifting at the same time.
Equally the Adegbenro family, the Oyediran family, the
Awolowo family and the Sigbeku family were solid in their

supoort for their son, Prince Adedamola.Our Team was

fantastic.  We could not have asked for better. Starting
from Uncle Wale Adeeyo and Senator Tokunbo Afikuyomi to
Damola’s brothers and cousins, Yemi, Dayo, Funmi, Debo,
Yemi Nla, Sokan, Yanju, and the Ife backbone of Yomi Adenuga
and Akin  Ofege supported by the entire Ovation crew of TV
presenters, photographers and journalists, we had
disciplined, well-heeled and efficient organisation to make

anybody proud.An Ooni-elect has emerged, Prince

Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Ojaja II. We sincerely offer our
congratulations and wish him, the traditional chiefs and the
whole of Ife, well.  As Prince Adedamola Aderemi has said,
the Ooni institution, Ife and the Yoruba race are greater
than any of us and we must always recognise this and do
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This Bros self. I believe there is something "extra" about this Broda Bolaji Aluko. I am stuck with him on this count. Dele Momodu is sliding into overdrive, error. Narcissism?

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I remember my late uncle. He was the Arole during the Asiwaju Tinubu's first term. 

I warned him then, but he thought Nigeria was still under military occupation.

He publicly networked with OBJ to install him, he allowed PDP usages of strategic places in his town.

Well, with all the myriad of problems in Asiwaju's political plates, thanks to Bucknor-Akerele and Backstabbing Afenifere Group, even with all that Tinubu installed the person of his choice from another ruling House.

The uncle died going to court.

The beauty of Democracy is that, a Fulani like Atiku Abubakar cannot influence local politics like Oba election in downtown Ilaro or uptown Ijebu Ode.

A Fulani cannot force us to elect a local govt chairman, a HoR member or even a governor, unless we cooperate without resistance. 

That's what Yoruba is teaching Rivers, Cross Rivers or Akwa Ibom right now. That's what we taught Edo that brought out an Oshiomole.

I have warned most of the idiots who keep running to OBJ and the soldiers to C-Caution. 

OBJ cannot force a prince on Ake or Gbagura people in Abeokuta as of now. So how is he going to install an Oba in Ile Ife?

And if OBJ cannot install an Oba in Ilaro, why would Dele Momodu and Golugo Prince Aderemi thought OBJ, Atiku and Obiaghena could influence installation of Oba in Ile Ife?

Let's place myself in Tinubu's shoes:

Tinubu knows OBJ is a snake of the Swamp kind. OBJ only is calmed because GEJ betrayed OBJ. OBJ is not an Awoist, and will find ways to bounce back if given an inch.

Who's Obiaghena or Atiku?

Who's Oba Adetona, the king that says his people are not Yoruba?

So if I as Tinubu got phone calls from these influential people about Prince Aderemi, what would crossed my mind?

Oba Adetona was against Gov Amosun, and for PDP up to about five years ago.

Oba Adetona wanted Ijebu State, and for awhile he was for GEJ and the National Confab of Corruption.

Why would Tinubu listened to Oba of Ijebu, or OBJ, or Atiku or an Inyanminrin Obiaghena?

Won't a call from any of them raise a red flag?

That's why I called Dele Momodu and his Prince Aderemi "awon apoda dede".

If I were Tinubu, all calls from all these PDP influential persons are turn offs. 

Dele Momodu limited his friends chances taking him to poisoned apples. Or Prince Aderemi is also a poisoned Apple?

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

I just feel, they went too low in age. But possibly, Ifa approved of the
choice so I just must accept the choice. I will bow to tradition but I
will feel unconfortable to postrate.
Otitigbe.

[Afis Deinde]

If anyone has to explain to Imperial why he has to pay due homage to an Ooni, then the guy has issues beyond culture.
So if Prince Andrew becomes the King of England at age 36, old men of England won't bow for him?
Imperial, you got personal issues!

Shikena
Afis
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[Adeniran Adeboye]

Pastor Joe,

You may want to revise your prior. Christianity is a traditional institution in 

Europe and, as a pastor, you've become more than a fan thereof after exposure to it via mere colonization. Members of your faith kiss at least the bishop's ring and 'dobale' before the "holy fathers" on occasions. One does not become a Pope by any magic; a lot of secret deals have to be cut in and out of the deliberations of the cardinals. 

The royal institution, in the Yoruba and Edo cultures, is both spiritual and temporal. Accordingly, it incorporates a personification of the cultures' sensitivities and sensibilities. Logic is therefore too weak to either justify or debase it. The Ooni of Ife is at least the High Priest of the Yoruba culture. In the deepest recesses of that culture, your Melchizedek cannot compare.

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[Maduabuchukwu]

"Christianity is a traditional institution in Europe..." - Adeniran Adeboye

Kabiyesi, can you clarify if your above statement means Europe is the original locus of Christianity for it to be indigenous there? Traditional institutions tend to have a strong, fundamental linkage with a people's indigenous way of life and cultural mores. How then did a religion that originated from Old Palestine become traditional to European culture? I am just a student who is willing to learn and would appreciate your assistance. Thanks.

[Adeniran Adeboye]

Maazi,

Europeans and Americans often call attention to "our Christian tradition". They do not claim that christianity is indigenous to Europe, nor do I.
That much said, it was in Antioch of Syria, we are told, that people were first referred to as Christians in the first century AD. History has no record Christianity amounting to much until it was institutionalized by the Roman Empire in 324 AD.

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Ojogbon Adeboye:

Please don't go there: For us Christians, our Melchizedek is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and the Ooni is a tiny speck - the tiniest of specks - next to him.  Even late Oba Sijuwade realized that, and asked that he no longer be referred to as "Alayeluwa" or something like that, because his Christian sensibilities made him sensitive to such a high appelation that he felt he did not deserve.

Not everybody who comes before a Yoruba king prostrates before him.....I have never prostrated before the Oba of my own town, yet I have been in his presence quite a number of times......but if an occasion warrants it when YOU know ahead of time that you MUST prostrate before him, then you should. Otherwise, don't go there at all..it is as simple as that.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

[Vin Otuonye]

Leye Ige:

Believe me, I know without even reading your email  what your argument is going to be - respect for the institution not the person.  However,  that doesn't change the fact that people make institutions. 

You would want a 60, 70 year-old prostrate to a 41 year old simply because the 41 year-old represent an institution. Let me tell you what respect and institution have done to some of you: it has made you subjugate your thinking faculties to traditions and culture.  

Good luck with that. 

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

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 I am not a
 fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why
 it may interest some folks. However when I read all these
 campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in
 order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may
 be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from
 Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is
 traditional about the office?

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 Email:  dele....@thisdaylive.com“To stay cheerful when
 involved in a gloomy and exceedingly responsible business is
 no inconsiderable art: yet what could be more necessary than
 cheerfulness? Nothing succeeds in which high spirits play no
 part…”– Friedrich Nietzsche, TWILIGHT OF

 THE IDOLS/THE ANTI-CHRISTFellow Nigerians, it is no longer

 news that I was born and bred in the ancient town of
 Ile-Ife, the spiritual home of the Yoruba people of South
 West Nigeria. That great city prepared me for the incredible
 journey of life. It was where I spent about 26 out of 28
 years of my earliest sojourn on earth. If Nigeria had grown
 out of the cocoon of ethnic discrimination and attained the
 assimilative tendencies of the United States of America, I
 would be handsomely qualified to dream of actualising
 anything I wanted to achieve in that community.  But that

 is a story for the gods.The big news out of Ife started

 months ago when The Ooni of Ife Oba Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse
 II took ill and then joined his ancestors. This sudden
 development threw Ile-Ife into some confusion and conundrum
 of sorts. The reason was simple. The news of His Imperial
 Majesty’s demise had filtered out of London. Eewo, taboo,
 the traditionalists screamed! The departure of such a
 spectacular monarch demanded a monumental drama to it.
 Ordinary mortals with feet of clay could not open their
 mouths wide and spew out such profanity. The king did not
 die. A king does not die here. He can only retire to the
 ceiling or loft, which I interpreted in modern parlance to
 be the equivalence of a penthouse. So the Ife Chiefs sent
 death back to wherever it came from and pronounced our dear
 king alive and kicking. In fact one Chief said
 matter-of-factly that he had just spoken on phone with the
 influential monarch who had been supposedly killed

 repeatedly by bloggers on social media.Anyway, the

 king eventually left us on earth. I won’t know what day,
 or the appointed time, the doctors and nurses, recorded in
 their death register in far-away London. The theatrics would
 not just go away like that. When would the king return or
 arrive home? It was a long suspense. We held an
 interdenominational funeral service for our royal father but
 we had no knowledge of his presence anywhere near the

 palace.As this went on, other things were

 cooking and brewing tempestuously away from prying eyes. Who
 becomes the next Ooni of Ife? It was a question no one could
 answer with certainty. But it soon became obvious that a
 motley crowd had more than casual interest in filling the
 gaping vacancy. As always, all the Ruling Houses of Ife
 expressed interest including that of the immediate past
 Ooni. Most of them did not bargain for a festering
 propaganda that would soon explode and consume and
 exterminate whatever ambition they harboured. It was the
 existence of a nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration which the
 government of the day had been sold on as a Testament. As I
 write this, it is still subject to litigation seeking
 interpretation and adjudication. The Declaration is one
 powerful and invincible document that has made it possible
 for one of the aspirants to the throne of Oduduwa from the
 Giesi Royal Family to be declared the brand new Ooni of Ife

 today.A lot of water has passed under the

 bridge. My most wonderful friend, Prince Adedamola Aderemi,
 had thrown his hat in the ring and I had taken a kamikaze
 dive with him. Trust me, we gave it everything we had. We
 are not ones to do things in half measures. And we are not
 ones to hide behind one finger as many obviously wanted us
 to. From the outset, we had decided to do everything in the
 open. We took a decision to sell our candidate to the larger
 public because The Ooni Stool is not a squeamish institution
 but a very loud and prestigious one which requires courage
 and boldness. We were reasonably assured that Prince
 Adedamola has got all it takes to move Ife in the right
 direction. His combined pedigree is rare to come by
 anywhere, anytime. Anyone wanting to be The Ooni need not be
 a Saint but we reckoned he needed to possess the comportment
 and sagacity of an Angel. Prince Adedamola Aderemi is one

 such personality.In terms of education, he is an

 all.Yorubaland is also under the

 avuncular grip of the ubiquitous former President and
 Nigeria’s biggest brand, General Olusegun Obasanjo. To
 fulfil all righteousness, we knew we had to tap into his
 native wisdom. It was not difficult given Prince
 Adedamola’s maternal families’ relationship with the

 former President.It was clear to us that this was a

 not just a regional but also a national task and we thus
 reached out to other notable government functionaries and
 senior politicians.  They include, Governors Akintunde
 Ambode of Lagos State, Ibikunle Amosun of Ogun State, Nasir
 El-Rufai of Kaduna State, Alhaji Atiku Bagudu of Kebbi
 State, former Governors Rotimi Amaechi and Kayode Fayemi,
 Princess Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, Senator Jide
 Omoworare, Senator Lanre Tejuoso, Senator Iyiola Omisore,
 Senator Gbenga Obadara, Senator Babafemi Ojudu, Hon. Niyi
 Afuye, Hon. Emeka Anohu amongst many more prominent
 politicians and elder statesmen like Lt. General Alani
 Akinrinade (rtd) , Chief Olanihun Ajayi and Dr Bode

 Olajumoke.We had extensive networks and

 contacts with practically most of the powerful Yoruba
 monarchs. We had identified the disunity that ravaged
 Yorubaland as a scourge and cankerworm that needed to be
 exterminated. We decided to reach out to our kindred
 spirits. I will forever remain a great fan of The Awujale of
 Ijebuland, straight-forward and blunt to a fault, we gained
 immensely from our interaction with him. He gave us deep
 insight into what to expect on the thorn-infested path and
 it was very prophetic. We received prayers from far and near
 as spiritual fortification on the dangerous mission. The
 Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, was gracious to
 receive us at such short notice. We spent quality time with
 the Olowo Eko, Oba Rilwan Akiolu. Although we did not visit
 other traditional rulers like, the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba
 Lamidi Adeyemi, who has been a great admirer of Prince
 Aderemi since their paths crossed significantly in London
 many moons ago, the Osile of Oke-Ona Oba AdedapoTejuosho,
 his Step Father, Oba D V F Olateru-Olagbegi, the Olowo of
 Owo, who was Prince Adedamola’s teacher and mentor at the
 Nigerian Law School in 1980-1981 and Oba Adedokun Abolarin,
 the Orangun of Oke-Ila his great friend and former law
 student. We knew we could count on their support and

 prayers.We did not limit our expedition to

 Yorubaland. As firm believers in the unity and
 indivisibility of Nigeria, we stretched our hands of
 fellowship across the Niger and gained tremendously from the
 incredible foresight of His Eminence, The Sultan of Sokoto
 Saa’d Abubakar III, and the boundless energy and entusiasm
 of His Highness, The Emir of Kano Lamido Sanusi.  Both
 received us warmly and showed us much affection. They prayed
 earnestly for us and gave us useful advice to help us cope

 with success or adversity.The business community was not

 left out.  We have many good friends and they were quick to
 express solidarity with us and to tap into our vision and
 mission.  The likes of Alhaji Aliko Dangote, Olorogun Moses
 Taiga, Engineer Lanre Sagaya, Professor Ibrahim Gambari, Mr
 Sam Nwajoku, Mr Dapo Abiodun, Mr Tunde Babalola and Mr Ayo
 Babalola, some of who are not just friends but also clients,
 in-laws, classmates and business partners, were quite
 supportive. In this respect we must single out our wonderful
 friends, Mr Tunde Ayeni, Mr Jimoh Ibrahim and Mr Femi
 Otedola for their magnanimity, love and unusual

 support.We could not have mounted the

 national drive that we did without the unstinting support of
 the print, electornic and social media. Prince Nduka “The
 Duke” Obaigbena towered above all others in tihis
 respect.  His support was complete and unalloyed. Ms Ijeoma
 Nwogwugwu Editor of Thisday, and crew of Thisday on
 Saturday, Mr Edward Dickson of the Tribune, Ben Memuletiwon
 of National Mirror, Seye Kehinde of City People, Kola Akanji
 of Osun State Broadcasting Service, Gbenga Adefaye
 Editor-in-Chief of Vanguard, Punch, The Sun, Kemi Akinyemi,
 the Ovation International and Ovation Tv team, etc all keyed

 into our Project.You cannot of course hope to sit on

 the throne of your ancestors without enlisting the support
 of the traditional and city Chiefs of the Community.  We
 commend the 15 Ife Traditional Chiefs and the Araba of Ife,
 for the respect and affection they showed to us.  It is
 impossible to single out anyone of them but we must
 acknowledge our depth of gratitude to Lowa, Obajio, Jaaran,
 Obaloran and Arode who were all personally known to us
 before the quest began. We take this opportunity to pray for
 the sweet repose of the soul of the Obalufe, Oba Omisakin,
 who stoutly defended the traditional values of Ife and died
 in the service of the Community. We must salute the efforts
 of the Ife Legacy group for providing a powerful platform on

 WhatsApp for all aspirants.We thank the other Chiefs and

 elders of Ife, in particular, the Balogun of Ife, Chief Bisi
 Omidiora (incidentally an uncle-in-law of Prince Adedamola),
 the Asiwaju, Chief Alex Duduyemi, the Iyalode, who is from
 the same Akui compound as Prince Aderemi as well as Sooko
 Waabodu, Princess Ojuolape Orafidiya, Prince Adedamola’s

 Aunt, and Prof Adesiyan Olawoyin, his uncle.Our great

 friends, too numerous to count or mention played their part
 through prayers, solidarity calls, visits and even
 materially. Mrs Olabisi Shuaibu, Bola Olagbaju, Mr Raphael
 Lewu, Mr Folusho Adeagbo, Ms Nike Oshinowo, Ms Bukola
 Ayoola, Dr & Mrs Phillip Abiola, Mr Femi Osibanjo, Asmau
 Yartofa, Folakemi Fatogbe, Tunde Akinleye, The Adedayos,
 Justice ‘Ladiran Akintola, Wole Adelakun, Femi Kehinde,
 Prof Tale Omole, Jide Lanlehin, Wole Adenle, Gbolaga Ajayi,
 Prof Jide Owoeye, Mr Paul Onifade, Mr Sam Akpan, Mr Laitan
 Eyiowuawi, Dr Tony Akintomide all played major

 roles.Our renowned lawyer friends, some of

 who double as respected religious leaders, gave support in a
 variety of ways. They include Prof Konyin Ajayi, Femi

 Atoyebi, Idowu Iluyomade,Akin Olujimi, Rotimi Akeredolu, Dr

 Wale Olawoyin, Funke Aboyade, Niyi Akintola, Taiwo Taiwo,
 Dele Oye, Tunde Ajibade amongst a host of

 others.Our older friends like Sir Gabriel

 Osawaru Igbinedion, Prof Ibrahim Gambari, Engineer Lanre
 Sagaya and Prince Arthur Eze were elated by our audacious

 bid.We could not have done what we did

 without the total and unalloyed support of the larger Akui
 family and the Aderemi family in particularly. The family
 meetings we held were widely attended and the pledges of
 support were humbling and uplifting at the same time.
 Equally the Adegbenro family, the Oyediran family, the
 Awolowo family and the Sigbeku family were solid in their

 supoort for their son, Prince Adedamola.Our Team was

 fantastic.  We could not have asked for better. Starting
 from Uncle Wale Adeeyo and Senator Tokunbo Afikuyomi to
 Damola’s brothers and cousins, Yemi, Dayo, Funmi, Debo,
 Yemi Nla, Sokan, Yanju, and the Ife backbone of Yomi Adenuga
 and Akin  Ofege supported by the entire Ovation crew of TV
 presenters, photographers and journalists, we had
 disciplined, well-heeled and efficient organisation to make

 anybody proud.An Ooni-elect has emerged, Prince

 Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Ojaja II. We sincerely offer our
 congratulations and wish him, the traditional chiefs and the
 whole of Ife, well.  As Prince Adedamola Aderemi has said,
 the Ooni institution, Ife and the Yoruba race are greater
 than any of us and we must always recognise this and do
 nothing to rubbish our glorious

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[Ola Kassim]

Dear All:

I had mixed reactions after reading Dele Momodu's open confession in participating in an unsuccessful bid to hijack and pervert the laid down selection rules for the new Oni of Ife.

The entire piece read like a concession speech delivered on behalf of a losing candidate in an electoral contest for a high political position

I kept asking myself why all the details and whose purpose was being served by all the name dropping. If the purpose to register the fact that Dele Momodu is well connected to all corners of Nigerian political personalities and royal families I would have no reservations in giving his paper an A+:).

On the one hand I was sad to read a confirmation of the well known fact that the entire traditional ruling system in Yoruba land has become almost totally corrupted and monetized over the past decades. It is no longer who is most deserving according to the laid down secession rules who is selected but the most eager and hungry for the

position.

On the other hand I was glad that Dele Momodu's laid everything bare in the open for all to see. The emperor is naked; the emperor no longer has any clothes. The secret is out.

The royal blood lines in Yoruba land are no longer as 'blue' or pure as they once were as any money miss road with the slightest connection to royalty can rig himself to ascend to any Royal throne inclusive of the most sacred ones.

I sincerely hope the question Bolaji Aluko did not have the opportunity

to ask would have bothered on this

one:

On what grounds was Prince Aderemi

lobbying to be enthroned as the new Oni of Ife considering it is not the turn of his own royal family to nominate candidates for the throne?

Why do Nigerians always act on the basis that any system, including millennia old succession procedures that have been modernized and accorded legal stamp of the government could be gamed, rigged and subverted as long as one has:

- enough money to burn in the quest

to purchase the throne?

-enough powerful contacts in government and other sectors of the 

 society willing to abet the hijack of a throne that truly belonged this time to the Giesi ruling house?

- what do el Rufai, Atiku, and Emirs etc got to do with the choice of the Oni of Ife? Were Yoruba monarchs consulted

to help install SLS as the Emir of Kano?

Congrats to the incoming  Oni of Ife?

Kudos to Gomina Ogbeni Aregbesola for upholding the law notwithstanding the considerable pressure on his office to bend the rules!

Bye,

Ola

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Bolaji,  Thank God you were not contacted by my aburo, Damola. People that wanted to become Ooni were deaf. Some people believed the devil wanted to help them spend out of the little or the "much" money that they had hence questions from people like you would not be welcomed.  Suffice it to say that the document that Dele Momodu referred to as "nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration" was the same legal document that was used to pick and install Ooni Sijuwade. I can bet, that the document will not be amended until each of the four Ruling Houses has "benefited" from it. Someone told me I was talking like a lawyer when I said no Ooni would be picked without following the Chieftaincy Declaration, no Aderemi or Sijuwade would be Ooni after Ooni Sijuwade, who had followed Ooni Aderemi on the thrown. I also said the new Ooni would not be older than fifty years old. I said so because Ooni Aderemi was forty when he became Ooni, and Ooni Sijuwde was fifty. Tradition is strictly followed when it comes to the Ooni's stool. No arugbo (old man). I was told that there was nothing money and contact could not do in Nigeria but I knew better. History has it that there were bad consequences for Ife in the past when the goalposts were moved during a game. The Chieftaincy Declaration spells out how the Ooni stool would rotate from a Ruling House to a Ruling House. It was amended during Ooni Aderemi's reign. Amending it when the Ooni's stool is vacant would be moving the goalposts when the game is on. No money or contact could do it. It is important to state that no serious matter is in court concerning picking and installing a new Ooni. Representatives of all the four Ruling Houses have congratulated the new Ooni and were present at the first ceremony for the Ooni-elect. The town welcomed him jubilantly.  The matter in court is that the Chieftaincy Declaration is not consistent with tradition by restricting who can be picked as Ooni to a particular Ruling House. The plaintiffs insist that all Princes from all Ruling Houses are qualified (by tradition) to seek the stool whenever the stool is vacant. Because the Chieftaincy Declaration is not new, and it was originally intended to introduce order into a traditional process, no court is likely to agree with the Plaintiffs.   Long live Ooni Ojoja II. Ayo Ojutalayo  Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android From:"'A. Jagun' via AfricanWorldForum" <africanw...@googlegroups.com> Date:Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 12:08 pm Subject:Re: [africanworldforum] INTERESTING LESSONS FROM ILE-IFE

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Dude:

Did you refund the Nigerian people ?

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[John Ebohon]

Ola,

 

You are not the only one confounded by this, particularly, as you said, the unnecessary details given. Is he a smaller man today in eyes, absolutely.

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[Leye Ige]

Vin Otuonye,
(1) You DON'T KNOW "what respect and institution have done to some of you". YOU REALLY DON'T.
(2) IF our "thinking faculties" are already subjugated, we won't still have them, would we? the fact that we still have thinking faculties imply that we are not subjugated.
(3) We say, "omode gbon, agba gbon ni a fi da Ile Ife(the synergy of the old and young make for a better understanding of society) or something close to that. So, regardless of prostration by anyone, it is the synergy that is important. Institutions are made by people BECAUSE they REFLECT the ASPIRATIONS of the people, otherwise, it will be like what you have in Nigeria where there are Institutions without relevance as they are easily made irrelevant. There was a REASON why the late Ooni was almost stoned to death on the "june12" fall out. The people were not going to allow the Institution to be disregarded. There was a REASON why the previous Deji was removed-- the people were not going to allow the Institution to be disregarded. And there are many more historical and contemporary examples.Are there challenges to the Obaship? Yes. Solely on account of extant political challenges.
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[John Ebohon]

Prof,

 

Do you gladly accept when students and staff prostrate before you or do you tell that that you are not worthy of such respect?

OJ

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Kassim:

I am going to suggest you switch to a high fiber diet, your condition is just not healthy.   Your belly is filled with undigested food that's why it's burgling.      Also, you need to stop believing that typing online is exercise.    Am going to bet you $1 that if you bend down, you can not touch your toe...  Try it...  Up down...

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

John Ebohon:

I do not know the rationale behind the question, but I am not a king / Oba, and I am not sufficiently traditional to expect anyone to prostrate before me, least of all my students or staff.  But when as VC I enter into Senate Chambers for a meeting, my staff (academic) stand up out of respect, whereupon I take my seat and ask them to please sit down.  Same as when I enter into any classroom or office...and I don't even request it, but I have not "abused" them for doing so either! :-).  

That is also what happens when President Obama enters into a room full of reporters for a Press Conference - the pressmen stand up, and sit down when he asks them to.

Every institution has its mode of (mutual) respect, and only anarchists want to have no respect at all between peoples of different age or different social status.  That is what makes up humans as different from animals.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Mobolaji.
I agree with you. The late Ooni Sijuwade was a Christian.
The Methodist Archbishop of Ibadan came to Argentina 20 years ago for a confference, I went to bring him and his group to my humble home and my exwife cooked Nigerian food for them. He told me they (Groups of Bishop) used to hold closed door prayer meetings for him and that he was a Christian. Even Oba Adesoji Aderemi and Oba Akenzua both were strong Anglicans and defied some Ile Ife and Edo Traditions. So Ile Ife started to produce Christian Oba , I do not know the faith of the new ooni but the last two reigned for years and live long likewise Oba Akenzua.
We Christian believe that Jesus Christ is the King of Kings, in fact Jewish Youths have started a campaign to recognize Him so.
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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Joe,

Because, of one person's "campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional" (out of about a thousand individuals that must have been interested in the stool), it seems to you that it may be time to scrap the traditional institutions. This is because you are from a culture where there are no traditional institutions. One should not hold an opinion on institutions that one is not a fan of, especially institutions that are strange to one's culture. 

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[Afis Deinde]

Otitigbe has almost ten ex-wives.

Which one cooked for the bishop?

Afis

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Otitigbe,

Ooni Aderemi was 40 when he became the Ooni. I am surprised that with all your patronage of Ifa and Opele, you will feel uncomfortable to prostrate for a young Ooni. 

Ayo Ojutalayo

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[Wharfery Snake]

Bolaji:

You ate equally not Yoruba like Momudu. How exactly do you have more to say than the itshekiri bastard?

WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin.

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:10 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

My People:

I know Damola from Ife days. But his team may have made two mistakes:

(1). I was not contacted.
(2). God was not contacted.

If I had been contacted, I would have put only one question before the team.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko

PS: It was not wise for Dele Momodu to write all of this. That he was born and bred in Ife does not make him an Ife indigene - or Yoruba for that matter. Kii se gbogbo aso Ile  ni a nsa ninu orun..it is not all family clothes, rags and all, that we put out to dry for all to see. Ooniship is Yoruba papacy..the politics of ascension to Papacy is shrouded in secrecy..

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[Wharfery Snake]

Which world? You,must be dreaming if you think anyone outside of the scammers is watching. No.one cares about an anachronistic tradition that should be scrapped.

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With all due respect Joe Attueyi, I totally disagree with you and urge you not to cast aspersion on a very advance expression of traditional culture and democracy at work. The Yoruba culture, sir, is not localized but very global and the international community is sitting watching how the Yoruba is at the vanguard of teaching the world about royalty.

Joe Attueyi, it does not appear that you "understand why it may interest some folks..." It would have been better to ask questions why all the "campaign" as you put it. Our quest for explanation would have allowed perhaps more endowed scholars and Yoruba elders to provide all of us with poignant education, and you will not be attempting to rubbish a people like that. Some of your other postings are spot-on, but on this, you are totally off-base; and while it expresses self perception and bias, it is culturally insensitive and insulting to a revered cultural institution and Yoruba nation-state. Yes indeed, these are very "interesting lessons from Ile-Ife."

Consider if you may, the condition and social engineering that caused a sitting President of the Federal Republic to kneel in front of a Traditional Ruler. I did not read you casting aspersion or asking that the traditional institution be "scrapped"....

 

Joe Attueyi, I can assure you others are going to "yab" you on this one. Trust me on that...! Better recall your posting o...:)))

 

Humbly submitted,

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I am not a fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why it may interest some folks. However when I read all these campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is traditional about the office?

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[Vin Otuonye]

Sorry, did I miss something?  Which sitting President knelt before which Oba?

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Which world? You,must be dreaming if you think anyone outside of the scammers is watching. No.one cares about an anachronistic tradition that should be scrapped.

WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin.

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 5:52 PM, 'KolaThomas' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

With all due respect Joe Attueyi, I totally disagree with you and urge you not to cast aspersion on a very advance expression of traditional culture and democracy at work. The Yoruba culture, sir, is not localized but very global and the international community is sitting watching how the Yoruba is at the vanguard of teaching the world about royalty.

Joe Attueyi, it does not appear that you "understand why it may interest some folks..." It would have been better to ask questions why all the "campaign" as you put it. Our quest for explanation would have allowed perhaps more endowed scholars and Yoruba elders to provide all of us with poignant education, and you will not be attempting to rubbish a people like that. Some of your other postings are spot-on, but on this, you are totally off-base; and while it expresses self perception and bias, it is culturally insensitive and insulting to a revered cultural institution and Yoruba nation-state. Yes indeed, these are very "interesting lessons from Ile-Ife."

Consider if you may, the condition and social engineering that caused a sitting President of the Federal Republic to kneel in front of a Traditional Ruler. I did not read you casting aspersion or asking that the traditional institution be "scrapped"....

 

Joe Attueyi, I can assure you others are going to "yab" you on this one. Trust me on that...! Better recall your posting o...:)))

 

Humbly submitted,

-Kola Thomas

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[Adeniran Adeboye]

VC Bolaji Aluko,

You wrote:

"For us Christians, .........."

For Ethiopians, until the mid 1970s, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie was King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah. For a non-Christian Yoruba that I am, the Ooni ranks above all non Yoruba kings and lords. Well, To each his own.

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[Wharfery Snake]

"what do el Rufai, Atiku, and Emirs etc got to do with the choice of the Oni of Ife? Were Yoruba monarchs consulted

to help install SLS as the Emir of Kano?" Olola Quassim 

Ehn! Olola Kassim: Yoruba land and people are vassals of the hausa/fulani and as such consulting your superiors is in order. Abi why else?

WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin.

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Lol

WS - A venerable Prince of Mushin.

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[John Ebohon]

Bolaji Aluko,

 

My question is predicated upon your open admission that you do not prostrate to your Oba, that you are always in his company. It is my view that when one prostrates before a traditional ruler or a chief, you do so in respect of the office the hold. Prostration is an abridged kneeling down, and I see it as the least anyone can do in the presence of any traditional ruler. We have seen socialists refusing to stand up when the Queen enters some venues in the past and they are ejected for defying tradition. I will for example, be willing and able to bow or prostrate before Emir Sanusi, despite my distaste for him, as a person.

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[John Ebohon]

Don’t forget the role Tinubu, Buhari, Amaechi, and Saraki played in the installation of SLS as the 14^th Fulani Emir of Kano – their penultimate visit to Kwakwoso sealed the deal.

 

 

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Ade.
Haile Selassie was not King of Kings, the press called him so. His son explained that a Biblical Wtiting was printed on his throne conatining those words in gloryfiying Gog but his people never delcared him King of Kings and the Conquering lion of Judah. It is just like the Nigerian press insulting our people by calling them sibjects of a mornach. The Monarchs came form the people, we are not subject but people of the Monarch. Our traditional rulers did not et to the post like in Europe where mornachy is imperialist. Until of recent our monarch slept on the floor like the people.
Otitigbe.

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[Adeniran Adeboye]

Otitigbe,

Please google "The King of Kings and I" 

Adeniran Adeboye

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Wharfy,

You wish.

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[Leye Ige]

"For Ethiopians, until the mid 1970s, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie was King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah."--Prof Adeboye.

(1) It was the Rastafarian movement that "crowned" Haile Selassie the "king of kings......."; which has nothing to do with Jesus Christ, even though they literally lifted the description from the Bible and traced Selassie's lineage to Solomon and Sheba. Yet, there is an allusion to Sheba as Birikisu Sugbon, in Ijebu area which would then make Selassie part-Ijebu?. So, which is which?
(2) If the description is "until the mid 1970s", what happened since then? After-all, our own King of Kings is eternal.
Leye Ige
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Email:  dele....@thisdaylive.com“To stay cheerful when
involved in a gloomy and exceedingly responsible business is
no inconsiderable art: yet what could be more necessary than
cheerfulness? Nothing succeeds in which high spirits play no
part…”– Friedrich Nietzsche,

TWILIGHT OF THE IDOLS/THE ANTI-CHRISTFellow Nigerians, it is no longer news that I was

born and bred in the ancient town of Ile-Ife, the spiritual
home of the Yoruba people of South West Nigeria. That great
city prepared me for the incredible journey of life. It was
where I spent about 26 out of 28 years of my earliest
sojourn on earth. If Nigeria had grown out of the cocoon of
ethnic discrimination and attained the assimilative
tendencies of the United States of America, I would be
handsomely qualified to dream of actualising anything I
wanted to achieve in that community.  But that is a story

for the gods.The big news out of Ife

started months ago when The Ooni of Ife Oba Okunade Sijuwade
Olubuse II took ill and then joined his ancestors. This
sudden development threw Ile-Ife into some confusion and
conundrum of sorts. The reason was simple. The news of His
Imperial Majesty’s demise had filtered out of London.
Eewo, taboo, the traditionalists screamed! The departure of
such a spectacular monarch demanded a monumental drama to
it. Ordinary mortals with feet of clay could not open their
mouths wide and spew out such profanity. The king did not
die. A king does not die here. He can only retire to the
ceiling or loft, which I interpreted in modern parlance to
be the equivalence of a penthouse. So the Ife Chiefs sent
death back to wherever it came from and pronounced our dear
king alive and kicking. In fact one Chief said
matter-of-factly that he had just spoken on phone with the
influential monarch who had been supposedly killed

repeatedly by bloggers on social media.Anyway, the king eventually left us on earth. I

won’t know what day, or the appointed time, the doctors
and nurses, recorded in their death register in far-away
London. The theatrics would not just go away like that. When
would the king return or arrive home? It was a long
suspense. We held an interdenominational funeral service for
our royal father but we had no knowledge of his presence

anywhere near the palace.As this went on, other

things were cooking and brewing tempestuously away from
prying eyes. Who becomes the next Ooni of Ife? It was a
question no one could answer with certainty. But it soon
became obvious that a motley crowd had more than casual
interest in filling the gaping vacancy. As always, all the
Ruling Houses of Ife expressed interest including that of
the immediate past Ooni. Most of them did not bargain for a
festering propaganda that would soon explode and consume and
exterminate whatever ambition they harboured. It was the
existence of a nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration which the
government of the day had been sold on as a Testament. As I
write this, it is still subject to litigation seeking
interpretation and adjudication. The Declaration is one
powerful and invincible document that has made it possible
for one of the aspirants to the throne of Oduduwa from the
Giesi Royal Family to be declared the brand new Ooni of Ife

today.A lot of water has passed

all.Yorubaland is also under

the avuncular grip of the ubiquitous former President and
Nigeria’s biggest brand, General Olusegun Obasanjo. To
fulfil all righteousness, we knew we had to tap into his
native wisdom. It was not difficult given Prince
Adedamola’s maternal families’ relationship with the

former President.It was clear to us that

this was a not just a regional but also a national task and
we thus reached out to other notable government
functionaries and senior politicians.  They include,
Governors Akintunde Ambode of Lagos State, Ibikunle Amosun
of Ogun State, Nasir El-Rufai of Kaduna State, Alhaji Atiku
Bagudu of Kebbi State, former Governors Rotimi Amaechi and
Kayode Fayemi, Princess Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, Senator
Jide Omoworare, Senator Lanre Tejuoso, Senator Iyiola
Omisore, Senator Gbenga Obadara, Senator Babafemi Ojudu,
Hon. Niyi Afuye, Hon. Emeka Anohu amongst many more
prominent politicians and elder statesmen like Lt. General
Alani Akinrinade (rtd) , Chief Olanihun Ajayi and Dr Bode

Olajumoke.We had extensive networks

and contacts with practically most of the powerful Yoruba
monarchs. We had identified the disunity that ravaged
Yorubaland as a scourge and cankerworm that needed to be
exterminated. We decided to reach out to our kindred
spirits. I will forever remain a great fan of The Awujale of
Ijebuland, straight-forward and blunt to a fault, we gained
immensely from our interaction with him. He gave us deep
insight into what to expect on the thorn-infested path and
it was very prophetic. We received prayers from far and near
as spiritual fortification on the dangerous mission. The
Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, was gracious to
receive us at such short notice. We spent quality time with
the Olowo Eko, Oba Rilwan Akiolu. Although we did not visit
other traditional rulers like, the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba
Lamidi Adeyemi, who has been a great admirer of Prince
Aderemi since their paths crossed significantly in London
many moons ago, the Osile of Oke-Ona Oba AdedapoTejuosho,
his Step Father, Oba D V F Olateru-Olagbegi, the Olowo of
Owo, who was Prince Adedamola’s teacher and mentor at the
Nigerian Law School in 1980-1981 and Oba Adedokun Abolarin,
the Orangun of Oke-Ila his great friend and former law
student. We knew we could count on their support and

prayers.We did not limit our

expedition to Yorubaland. As firm believers in the unity and
indivisibility of Nigeria, we stretched our hands of
fellowship across the Niger and gained tremendously from the
incredible foresight of His Eminence, The Sultan of Sokoto
Saa’d Abubakar III, and the boundless energy and entusiasm
of His Highness, The Emir of Kano Lamido Sanusi.  Both
received us warmly and showed us much affection. They prayed
earnestly for us and gave us useful advice to help us cope

with success or adversity.The business community

was not left out.  We have many good friends and they were
quick to express solidarity with us and to tap into our
vision and mission.  The likes of Alhaji Aliko Dangote,
Olorogun Moses Taiga, Engineer Lanre Sagaya, Professor
Ibrahim Gambari, Mr Sam Nwajoku, Mr Dapo Abiodun, Mr Tunde
Babalola and Mr Ayo Babalola, some of who are not just
friends but also clients, in-laws, classmates and business
partners, were quite supportive. In this respect we must
single out our wonderful friends, Mr Tunde Ayeni, Mr Jimoh
Ibrahim and Mr Femi Otedola for their magnanimity, love and

unusual support.We could not have mounted

the national drive that we did without the unstinting
support of the print, electornic and social media. Prince
Nduka “The Duke” Obaigbena towered above all others in
tihis respect.  His support was complete and unalloyed. Ms
Ijeoma Nwogwugwu Editor of Thisday, and crew of Thisday on
Saturday, Mr Edward Dickson of the Tribune, Ben Memuletiwon
of National Mirror, Seye Kehinde of City People, Kola Akanji
of Osun State Broadcasting Service, Gbenga Adefaye
Editor-in-Chief of Vanguard, Punch, The Sun, Kemi Akinyemi,
the Ovation International and Ovation Tv team, etc all keyed

into our Project.You cannot of course hope

to sit on the throne of your ancestors without enlisting the
support of the traditional and city Chiefs of the
Community.  We commend the 15 Ife Traditional Chiefs and
the Araba of Ife, for the respect and affection they showed
to us.  It is impossible to single out anyone of them but
we must acknowledge our depth of gratitude to Lowa, Obajio,
Jaaran, Obaloran and Arode who were all personally known to
us before the quest began. We take this opportunity to pray
for the sweet repose of the soul of the Obalufe, Oba
Omisakin, who stoutly defended the traditional values of Ife
and died in the service of the Community. We must salute the
efforts of the Ife Legacy group for providing a powerful
platform on WhatsApp for all aspirants.We
thank the other Chiefs and elders of Ife, in particular, the
Balogun of Ife, Chief Bisi Omidiora (incidentally an
uncle-in-law of Prince Adedamola), the Asiwaju, Chief Alex
Duduyemi, the Iyalode, who is from the same Akui compound as
Prince Aderemi as well as Sooko Waabodu, Princess Ojuolape
Orafidiya, Prince Adedamola’s Aunt, and Prof Adesiyan

Olawoyin, his uncle.Our great friends, too

numerous to count or mention played their part through
prayers, solidarity calls, visits and even materially. Mrs
Olabisi Shuaibu, Bola Olagbaju, Mr Raphael Lewu, Mr Folusho
Adeagbo, Ms Nike Oshinowo, Ms Bukola Ayoola, Dr & Mrs
Phillip Abiola, Mr Femi Osibanjo, Asmau Yartofa, Folakemi
Fatogbe, Tunde Akinleye, The Adedayos, Justice ‘Ladiran
Akintola, Wole Adelakun, Femi Kehinde, Prof Tale Omole, Jide
Lanlehin, Wole Adenle, Gbolaga Ajayi, Prof Jide Owoeye, Mr
Paul Onifade, Mr Sam Akpan, Mr Laitan Eyiowuawi, Dr Tony
Akintomide all played major roles.Our
renowned lawyer friends, some of who double as respected
religious leaders, gave support in a variety of ways. They
include Prof Konyin Ajayi, Femi Atoyebi, Idowu

Iluyomade,Akin Olujimi, Rotimi

Akeredolu, Dr Wale Olawoyin, Funke Aboyade, Niyi Akintola,
Taiwo Taiwo, Dele Oye, Tunde Ajibade amongst a host of

others.Our older friends like Sir

Gabriel Osawaru Igbinedion, Prof Ibrahim Gambari, Engineer
Lanre Sagaya and Prince Arthur Eze were elated by our

audacious bid.We could not have done what

we did without the total and unalloyed support of the larger
Akui family and the Aderemi family in particularly. The
family meetings we held were widely attended and the pledges
of support were humbling and uplifting at the same time.
Equally the Adegbenro family, the Oyediran family, the
Awolowo family and the Sigbeku family were solid in their
supoort for their son, Prince Adedamola.Our
Team was fantastic.  We could not have asked for better.
Starting from Uncle Wale Adeeyo and Senator Tokunbo
Afikuyomi to Damola’s brothers and cousins, Yemi, Dayo,
Funmi, Debo, Yemi Nla, Sokan, Yanju, and the Ife backbone of
Yomi Adenuga and Akin  Ofege supported by the entire
Ovation crew of TV presenters, photographers and
journalists, we had disciplined, well-heeled and efficient
organisation to make anybody proud.An
Ooni-elect has emerged, Prince Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Ojaja
II. We sincerely offer our congratulations and wish him, the
traditional chiefs and the whole of Ife, well.  As Prince
Adedamola Aderemi has said, the Ooni institution, Ife and
the Yoruba race are greater than any of us and we must
always recognise this and do nothing to rubbish our glorious

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Ade. 
I knew about Haile Selasie since Gowon Days when he toured Nigeria. The Press all called him the names knwon by Christians as of Jesus Christ.
Some years ago his son clarified that he did not say that he was the King of Kings but rather the words are part of what was in the Royal Seal.
Rastermen declared him King of Kings.
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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Otitigbe:

Haile Selassie was a Christian....read this;

QUOTE

https://debate.uvm.edu/dreadlibrary/cardillo.html

Haile Selassie
King of Kings, Conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah

Joseph Cardillo
April, 1998

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Marcus Garvey preached his concept of Ethiopianism to attentive audiences in Jamaica through out the early nineteen hundreds. His idea of Ethiopianism was a Back-To-Africa movement, calling black men and women to their native land. Before his departure to spread his word in America, Marcus Garvey left his Jamaican followers with the words:"Look to Africa for the crowning of a Black King; he shall be the Redeemer"(BARRETT 8 1).

When Ras Tafari was crowned Emperor of Ethiopia and took the name Haile Selassie I, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Jamaicans who believed in Garvey's words found this to be far from coincidental. The coronation fulfilled one of Marcus prophesies. The Bible tells of others. Revelation 19:16,"And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written: King of Kings and Lord of Lords"(BARRETT 83). Even his name, Haile Selassie, literally means"Power of the Holy Trinity".

Leonard Howell and three other men, saw the deep spiritual meaning behind all of this and created a following that would later come to be known as the Rastafarians, taking their name directly from their savior (BARRETT 82).

Although there is no organized church of the Rastafarians, there are some basic principles that all Rastas hold to be true. First and foremost is that they all accept Haile Selassie as their living god in one way or another. That the white person is inferior to the black person is another belief. The idea that Jamaica is hell and Ethiopia is heaven and that Selassie is preparing for the repatriation of black men to Ethiopia were also commonly held beliefs (BARRETT 104). Marijuana use was a practice that many Rastafarians used in their spiritual invocations of the spirit of Haile Selassie.

The Jamaicans viewed Ethiopia as Zion. Jamaica, likewise was Babylon. Babylon is a concept the Rastafarians use to label anything that represent oppression or evil. Babylon is a personal concept, and the meaning can be different from one individual to another. It is the Christian equivalent to hell, except on a more real level. Cities could be viewed as babylon, the oppression of the busy streets and high concrete buildings.

The Rastas beliefs in Haile Selassie fall in contradiction to the realities and beliefs of the man himself. Perhaps most important, Haile Selassie was a Christian. He took faith in Christianity and the Bible.

Today man sees all his hopes and aspirations crumble before him. He is perplexed and knows not whither he is drifting. But he must realize that the solution of his present difficulties and guidance for his future action is the Bible. Unless he accepts with clear conscience the Bible and its great message, he cannot hope for salvation. For myself, I glory in the Bible.

For someone to call him the living savior was blasphemy.

The Emperor never drank alcohol. In his earlier days, when Selassie was known as Ras Tafari, the successor to the throne, Lij Yasu, was influenced by the practices of the Muslims. It is noted that he developed a licking for hashish, a drug similar to marijuana, and that this further inhibited his ability to run the country (GORHAM 5 1). Surely, Selassie saw the faults of using these drugs. How did smoking marijuana and the Emperor Haile Selassie end up in the same belief system?

Contrary to the Rastas beliefs, the Emperor was not preparing ships for their repatriation to Ethiopia. The Emperor did not want them. There were enough people with enough problems in Ethiopia as is.

The belief that blacks are superior to whites is outlandish as well. Especially when viewed parallel to the views of the Emperor. It was quoted earlier in his speech to United Nations in 1968,"That until the color of a man's skin is of no more significance than the color of his eyes the African continent will not know peace."

How can the Jamaicans ignore these blatant contradictions to their beliefs? How can they overlook the corruption that was inherent in Selassie's government? How can they ignore his neglect for the famine that cost the lives of so many Ethiopians? These questions do not have answers. Many Jamaicans could claim that these faults are the workings of Babylon and not their savior.

Haile Selassie, King of Kings, Lion of the tribe of Judah, was a noble leader for his country. At the same time, he fell victim to the evils that often plague positions of such authority and power. Whether or not Haile Selassie valued a white person's opinion over that of his own kind, no one can answer. Whether or not Haile Selassie viewed the 1973 famine as a regular cycle of Ethiopian history and therefor did little to extinguish the problem, no one knows. What is known is that the famine indeed went on, and that numerous people lost their lives. Selassie controlled all of the land in Ethiopia, and the majority of the people had none. At the time of his dethronement, only two percent of Ethiopia was accessible by paved roads. The rest of the country remained a series of dirt paths and mud villages.

It is also known that he pushed the idea of peace in all that he did. He worked for the betterment of his country and the education of his people. He saw what education had to offer a society, and aspired to bring his country out of his dark ages and into the twentieth century. He gave citizenship to the people of Ethiopia, and brought his country onto the international level. He had good in his heart and good intentions.

To he label him a savior remains a personal belief.

UNQUOTE

And there you have it.

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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

That I know very well becuase Ethiopia is the first country in history to declear Christianity a State Religion.
As regards Joseph Cardillo, he is entitled to his opinion.
Do you as a Christian believe that Haile Selassie if the King of Kings?
I read the interview to the son of Haile Selassie where he said his father's title did not include The King of Kings.
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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

Haile Selassie said he is not God. http://www.rastafarispeaks.com/repatriation/index.cgi?md=read;id=34496

Otitigbe.

El 01/11/2015 a las 2:04, Mobolaji Aluko escribió:

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

He knew he was not God, and I know that too.

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[Vin Otuonye]

In the courtroom,  just before the judge enters the courtroom,  the bailiff say: all rise! Every one inside courtroom stands up. The judge then say,  you may seat.

Vin Cool Breeze

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John Ebohon:

I do not know the rationale behind the question, but I am not a king / Oba, and I am not sufficiently traditional to expect anyone to prostrate before me, least of all my students or staff.  But when as VC I enter into Senate Chambers for a meeting, my staff (academic) stand up out of respect, whereupon I take my seat and ask them to please sit down.  Same as when I enter into any classroom or office...and I don't even request it, but I have not "abused" them for doing so either! :-).  

That is also what happens when President Obama enters into a room full of reporters for a Press Conference - the pressmen stand up, and sit down when he asks them to.

Every institution has its mode of (mutual) respect, and only anarchists want to have no respect at all between peoples of different age or different social status.  That is what makes up humans as different from animals.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

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Prof,

 

Do you gladly accept when students and staff prostrate before you or do you tell that that you are not worthy of such respect?

OJ

 

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[Vin Otuonye]

Nwana Agwo:

The way Bolaji Aluko puts it is the same way I see it. I have never prostrate before any Oba or Eze. And if I know prostration is required,  I'll decline going to see the Oba.

Vin Cool Breeze Otuonye

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[Afis Deinde]

"Although there is no organized church of the Rastafarians, there are some basic principles that all Rastas hold to be true. First and foremost is that they all accept Haile Selassie as their living god in one way or another."....END

Afis comment: When you smoke lots of Ganja, you will reach Cloud Nine where God resides.
Ganja helps the Rastas see God.

Lots of religions only aware of Cloud Seven because they don't smoke Kaya.......what's in Sonmo Meje? Natting but clouds!

But the Rastas know better.

Cloud Nine is where God resides........itiswatitis!

Shikena, too much smokes in the room.

Afis

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[Adeniran Adeboye]

Dear Imperial,

I think what an Oba does is not

much more that what his people either 

allow or else acquiesce to. Our tradition 

and culture have been generally under 

siege at least since the 1840s. The slow but 

steady bastardization of our culture via

both Christian and Islamic evangelization,

the monetization of our core values and the

forced deference to the emerging elite -- schooled 

in foreign culture and ideologies at the deliberate

expense of being educated in our own,

All of us today, Oba, ijoye, ati mekunnu, have

fallen short in that regard. Whereas I have no

regret about certain practices that have been  

dropped, we seem to have allowed the baby 

(the core) to be thrown out with the bath water.

To resolve the situation, we must find ways for our 

culture to begin to own the apparatus of both formal 

schooling and general education. In the 

absence of that, we can only produce in our 

descendants shadows of Europeans and 

Arabs, not any real carriers of the Yoruba substance.

It is only from what we produce that the Oba 

and ijoye emerge.

I am, by no means, advocating that our culture 

be rendered static, I believe however that it

is well past time to grab some victory out of 

defeat, restore our cultural essence. The Oodua 

Foundation is engaged in studies along these 

lines. Japan has done it, modernizing its 

cultural institutions in contradistinction to 

Westernizing them. The Oba is created for 

people, not the other way round. If the people 

can be assisted to recapture their cultural 

essence, the Oba and ijoye will emerge 

therefrom and continue to earn our cultural

respect and obeisance.

Irin po fun ese alajo ojumo o.

Tiyin nitooooooooooooooto,

Adeniran Adeboye

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Prof Adeboye,

I think for a man to be an Oba in Yoruba land, he must show an undivided loyalty to Yoruba heritage, values, religions and traditions. Nowadays, our Obas have developed a form of "pick and chose" attitude by mixing traditional values with imported ones. I once heard of an Oba calling himself a "born again christian" which I judge to mean that the values and traditions that brought him to the limelight and the respected throne have been subordinated to foreign ones. 

Do you think any Yoruba Oba who observes only that part of our tradition  that favours him personally deserves our "Idobale" or  prostration ? 

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[Segun Sanni]

You're contradicting yourself again. If you agree that human sacrifice, cannibalism, rape, murder, arbitrariness, etc, which were closely linked with our culture in the past, have given way in line with new civilisation, and you approve of that development, it means you agree that cultures evolve, not just here but across the human race as you mentioned below. 

If you agree to the deletion of those unwholesome practices (meaning you sanction the practice of "culture supermarket"), why are you arguing the contrary on Obas "upholding your values and cultures"? 

The real question is which ones do you want maintained ‎and which ones do you want deleted. If you put ten people in a room and ask them this question, you'd probably get ten different answers. Your choice is not superior to someone else's.

On the whole, cultures are not static. They evolve as "people outgrow" vices/practices as you mentioned below.

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Human sacrifice, cannibalism, arbitrariness were traditions common to the entire 

human race during the stone age. With civilization, nearly all races around the world have outgrown these vices as we speak so it's not a problem peculiar to only Africans. 

A Yoruba Oba shouldn't turn our tradition to a culture supermarket where he can pick and chose; he's expected to always uphold our values and culture and ensure that they are updated to match the needs of the changing world. It doesn't make any sense for him to oppose the tradition that created his stool . Eewo Orisa . 

 

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Part of our "tradition"/"culture" involves human sacrifice, cannibalism, rape, murder, arbitrariness,  and other offensive practices. Would you expect our Obas to continue these practices in order to earn our 'idobale' (prostration)?

I think cultures evolve over time and for over a century, Ibadan has had prophesing and practising Muslim and Christian Obas. It's not an issue for an Oba to be a Christian in Yorubaland. 

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[Vin Otuonye]

Otitis be my brother,  why didn't Ifa, native doctor's and others stop slavery?   Why didn't it stop colonialism? 

Just curious. 

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Segun.
 Human sacrfice, cannibalism, rape, murder , arbitraries goes on all over the world and are all condemnable. There is no worst human sacrifce than in wars to keep some dreams of imperialists through.
I had suggested and Ifa and native Doctor approach to Boko Haram instead of war, it is more humane , civilized and precise. Let us use African solutions to African problems.
In this world today abortion campaigners are financed. Special Instruments are given to aboriton clinics with which they destroy the head of the fetus and the rest of the body sold for scientific research in laboratories. They is human sacrifce and condemnable and cruelity (I do nto want to insult Barbarians, they are more humane than Americans).
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[Otitigbe Obadiah Oghoerore Alegbe PhD]

They did, it is just that it was not published.
My analysis of the events are due to the study of Yoruba Cosmology.
Slavery did not last more than 200 years, in fact it lasted becuase of betrayals within Africa. I also want to clarify that majority of African ethnics were not enslaved, there were slave routes.
An  analysis of "Ori" in Yoruba cosmology proves to me that there were "Ori" who refused to be enslaved and when caught recieved love from their hosts and inspired the movement against slavery. One such is Ajayi, Ajayi is a proof of someone who went through "Esentaiye" and was given a good bath, he inspired end of slavery.
One of the greatest Gospel Songs "Amazing Grace" was inspired by six slaves caught in the coast of West Africa, while they rowed the boat, they hummed the music that inpired Newton in writing the song "the event could be described as The Holy Spirit".
All of Europe, Asia were enslaved.
From analysis of the poems of Odu, I found out that the white slavemaster told lies when they landed in Oyo, they said they wanted workers and they gave them workers, it was later that  slavery because agressive because of the gains and they  captured to sell. Many families who lost loved oene surely did not sleep, they went sytical.  There were "Ori" that reacted and blood flowed in America , rituals in Africa produced the bloodshed in America to stop slavery. Those who understand part of our secrets know that we can produce remote control.
It is time we review the history about the end of slavey because slave owners in America did not give up those who created wealth for them easily.
As for colonialism, you do not know the cause that motivated campaign for independence, maybe you need to know that MauMau bewitched the English to surrender ( I just put it that way).
Ifa works thorugh Ori, we "da ifa fun ori" of the leader of Boko Haram and send him remote control. We shall save the life of many innocent people.
On slavery, I wish to add that the story is not ended, thoe who perished in the sea and those who died in slavery will one day ask America and Europe and Arabsfor attonement. It si a question of time. When is happens, the world will know. Britain is a land of mysthic knowledge, may be they know that is why Toni Blair called for the Day of attonement where he appolidized to Africa and in the West Indies, flowers were offered to Olokun for those who died in the sea during slavery. Rituals were carreid out in Churches and Sancturies in Britain, Ghana's Cape Coast where the Portuguese lifted slave flag for the first time and in the Caribeans.
Go back to your tribe and learn the messages that your ancestors left for you, not just the Holy Bible interpeted by the white man.
Otitigbe.

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[Leye Ige]

(1) "The slow but steady bastardization of our culture via both Christian and Islamic evangelization......" --Prof Adeboye

Prof,
Bishop Ajayi Crowther translated the Bible into Yoruba and other African(Nigerian) Languages. Would that amount to part of the "bastardization" or its development? European Christians were among the first to oppose the slave trade, not to mention Christian slaves in the Americas playing leading roles in the anti-slavery movements. When the Christian church was persecuting Galileo on the shape of the earth, it did so KNOWING that the Bible records the earth as a "circle"!! Besides, the "modernization" of the Western Region between 1951 and 1962 was carried out by Christians and Muslims yet those that attempted its being truncated also included Christians and Muslims. It was the Muslim, Babs Fafunwa that led the effort to establish the Ife Model School where Yoruba Language was the Language of Instruction from the primary to secondary--and the results showed that those taught in that Language performed BETTER than those taught with the English Language.
I think we should NOT carry this "spiritual" thing too far. The REVELATION of God to ANY man is PURELY HIS own forte. What man makes by his own hand or thoughts even if classified as spiritual cannot be expected to be "superior" to man himself. There was a POLITICAL and economic contest between Europe and Africa in which all sorts of weapons were deployed, BUT that ought not reduce our sensibilities to God. You do not have to embrace it just as you do not have to make it your primary "enemy".


(2) "the monetization of our core values and the forced deference to the emerging elite -- schooled in foreign culture and ideologies at the deliberate expense of being educated in our own...."

"Foreign culture" was largely responsible for the "modernization" of our most immediate past; and the leaders at the time were not unaware of the necessity to develop our own cultural experiences in the process, which was why they developed the necessary synergy between the two, hence we cannot make a blanket critique of this "foreign culture". Why such a foundation was NOT deepened by building upon it is what I think should be our priority now as we cannot re-invent the wheel(even if we can invent something BEYOND the wheel). We know HOW the whole shebang went down all we need is another HOW to correct it--and I don't think it is about "foreign culture".
Thank you.
Leye Ige
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Dear
Imperial,
I think what

an Oba does is notmuch more that what his people

either allow or else acquiesce to. Our
tradition and culture have been generally
under siege at least since the 1840s. The slow
but steady bastardization of our culture
viaboth Christian and Islamic

evangelization,the monetization of our core
values and theforced deference to the emerging

elite -- schooled in foreign culture and

ideologies at the deliberateexpense of being

educated in our own,
All of us today, Oba, ijoye, ati

mekunnu, havefallen short in that regard. Whereas
I have noregret about certain practices that have

been  dropped, we seem to have allowed the
baby (the core) to be thrown out with the bath
water.
To resolve the
situation, we must find ways for our culture to
begin to own the apparatus of both
formal schooling and general education. In
the absence of that, we can only produce in
our descendants shadows of Europeans
and Arabs, not any real carriers of the Yoruba

substance.It is only from what we produce that

the Oba and ijoye emerge.
I am, by no means, advocating that
our culture be rendered static, I believe

however that itis well past time to grab some

victory out of defeat, restore our cultural
essence. The Oodua Foundation is engaged in
studies along these lines. Japan has done it,
modernizing its cultural institutions in
contradistinction to Westernizing them. The Oba
is created for people, not the other way round.
If the people can be assisted to recapture their
cultural essence, the Oba and ijoye will
emerge therefrom and continue to earn our

culturalrespect and obeisance.

Irin po fun ese alajo ojumo
o.
Tiyin
nitooooooooooooooto,

Adeniran Adeboye

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Email:  dele....@thisdaylive.com“To stay cheerful when
involved in a gloomy and exceedingly responsible business is
no inconsiderable art: yet what could be more necessary than
cheerfulness? Nothing succeeds in which high spirits play no
part…”– Friedrich Nietzsche, TWILIGHT OF

THE IDOLS/THE ANTI-CHRISTFellow Nigerians, it is no longer

news that I was born and bred in the ancient town of
Ile-Ife, the spiritual home of the Yoruba people of South
West Nigeria. That great city prepared me for the incredible
journey of life. It was where I spent about 26 out of 28
years of my earliest sojourn on earth. If Nigeria had grown
out of the cocoon of ethnic discrimination and attained the
assimilative tendencies of the United States of America, I
would be handsomely qualified to dream of actualising
anything I wanted to achieve in that community.  But that

is a story for the gods.The big news out of Ife started

months ago when The Ooni of Ife Oba Okunade Sijuwade Olubuse
II took ill and then joined his ancestors. This sudden
development threw Ile-Ife into some confusion and conundrum
of sorts. The reason was simple. The news of His Imperial
Majesty’s demise had filtered out of London. Eewo, taboo,
the traditionalists screamed! The departure of such a
spectacular monarch demanded a monumental drama to it.
Ordinary mortals with feet of clay could not open their
mouths wide and spew out such profanity. The king did not
die. A king does not die here. He can only retire to the
ceiling or loft, which I interpreted in modern parlance to
be the equivalence of a penthouse. So the Ife Chiefs sent
death back to wherever it came from and pronounced our dear
king alive and kicking. In fact one Chief said
matter-of-factly that he had just spoken on phone with the
influential monarch who had been supposedly killed

repeatedly by bloggers on social media.Anyway, the

king eventually left us on earth. I won’t know what day,
or the appointed time, the doctors and nurses, recorded in
their death register in far-away London. The theatrics would
not just go away like that. When would the king return or
arrive home? It was a long suspense. We held an
interdenominational funeral service for our royal father but
we had no knowledge of his presence anywhere near the

palace.As this went on, other things were

cooking and brewing tempestuously away from prying eyes. Who
becomes the next Ooni of Ife? It was a question no one could
answer with certainty. But it soon became obvious that a
motley crowd had more than casual interest in filling the
gaping vacancy. As always, all the Ruling Houses of Ife
expressed interest including that of the immediate past
Ooni. Most of them did not bargain for a festering
propaganda that would soon explode and consume and
exterminate whatever ambition they harboured. It was the
existence of a nebulous Chieftaincy Declaration which the
government of the day had been sold on as a Testament. As I
write this, it is still subject to litigation seeking
interpretation and adjudication. The Declaration is one
powerful and invincible document that has made it possible
for one of the aspirants to the throne of Oduduwa from the
Giesi Royal Family to be declared the brand new Ooni of Ife

today.A lot of water has passed under the

bridge. My most wonderful friend, Prince Adedamola Aderemi,
had thrown his hat in the ring and I had taken a kamikaze
dive with him. Trust me, we gave it everything we had. We
are not ones to do things in half measures. And we are not
ones to hide behind one finger as many obviously wanted us
to. From the outset, we had decided to do everything in the
open. We took a decision to sell our candidate to the larger
public because The Ooni Stool is not a squeamish institution
but a very loud and prestigious one which requires courage
and boldness. We were reasonably assured that Prince
Adedamola has got all it takes to move Ife in the right
direction. His combined pedigree is rare to come by
anywhere, anytime. Anyone wanting to be The Ooni need not be
a Saint but we reckoned he needed to possess the comportment
and sagacity of an Angel. Prince Adedamola Aderemi is one

such personality.In terms of education, he is an

all.Yorubaland is also under the

avuncular grip of the ubiquitous former President and
Nigeria’s biggest brand, General Olusegun Obasanjo. To
fulfil all righteousness, we knew we had to tap into his
native wisdom. It was not difficult given Prince
Adedamola’s maternal families’ relationship with the

former President.It was clear to us that this was a

not just a regional but also a national task and we thus
reached out to other notable government functionaries and
senior politicians.  They include, Governors Akintunde
Ambode of Lagos State, Ibikunle Amosun of Ogun State, Nasir
El-Rufai of Kaduna State, Alhaji Atiku Bagudu of Kebbi
State, former Governors Rotimi Amaechi and Kayode Fayemi,
Princess Adenrele Adeniran-Ogunsanya, Senator Jide
Omoworare, Senator Lanre Tejuoso, Senator Iyiola Omisore,
Senator Gbenga Obadara, Senator Babafemi Ojudu, Hon. Niyi
Afuye, Hon. Emeka Anohu amongst many more prominent
politicians and elder statesmen like Lt. General Alani
Akinrinade (rtd) , Chief Olanihun Ajayi and Dr Bode

Olajumoke.We had extensive networks and

contacts with practically most of the powerful Yoruba
monarchs. We had identified the disunity that ravaged
Yorubaland as a scourge and cankerworm that needed to be
exterminated. We decided to reach out to our kindred
spirits. I will forever remain a great fan of The Awujale of
Ijebuland, straight-forward and blunt to a fault, we gained
immensely from our interaction with him. He gave us deep
insight into what to expect on the thorn-infested path and
it was very prophetic. We received prayers from far and near
as spiritual fortification on the dangerous mission. The
Alake of Egbaland, Oba Adedotun Gbadebo, was gracious to
receive us at such short notice. We spent quality time with
the Olowo Eko, Oba Rilwan Akiolu. Although we did not visit
other traditional rulers like, the Alaafin of Oyo, Oba
Lamidi Adeyemi, who has been a great admirer of Prince
Aderemi since their paths crossed significantly in London
many moons ago, the Osile of Oke-Ona Oba AdedapoTejuosho,
his Step Father, Oba D V F Olateru-Olagbegi, the Olowo of
Owo, who was Prince Adedamola’s teacher and mentor at the
Nigerian Law School in 1980-1981 and Oba Adedokun Abolarin,
the Orangun of Oke-Ila his great friend and former law
student. We knew we could count on their support and

prayers.We did not limit our expedition to

Yorubaland. As firm believers in the unity and
indivisibility of Nigeria, we stretched our hands of
fellowship across the Niger and gained tremendously from the
incredible foresight of His Eminence, The Sultan of Sokoto
Saa’d Abubakar III, and the boundless energy and entusiasm
of His Highness, The Emir of Kano Lamido Sanusi.  Both
received us warmly and showed us much affection. They prayed
earnestly for us and gave us useful advice to help us cope

with success or adversity.The business community was not

left out.  We have many good friends and they were quick to
express solidarity with us and to tap into our vision and
mission.  The likes of Alhaji Aliko Dangote, Olorogun Moses
Taiga, Engineer Lanre Sagaya, Professor Ibrahim Gambari, Mr
Sam Nwajoku, Mr Dapo Abiodun, Mr Tunde Babalola and Mr Ayo
Babalola, some of who are not just friends but also clients,
in-laws, classmates and business partners, were quite
supportive. In this respect we must single out our wonderful
friends, Mr Tunde Ayeni, Mr Jimoh Ibrahim and Mr Femi
Otedola for their magnanimity, love and unusual

support.We could not have mounted the

national drive that we did without the unstinting support of
the print, electornic and social media. Prince Nduka “The
Duke” Obaigbena towered above all others in tihis
respect.  His support was complete and unalloyed. Ms Ijeoma
Nwogwugwu Editor of Thisday, and crew of Thisday on
Saturday, Mr Edward Dickson of the Tribune, Ben Memuletiwon
of National Mirror, Seye Kehinde of City People, Kola Akanji
of Osun State Broadcasting Service, Gbenga Adefaye
Editor-in-Chief of Vanguard, Punch, The Sun, Kemi Akinyemi,
the Ovation International and Ovation Tv team, etc all keyed

into our Project.You cannot of course hope to sit on

the throne of your ancestors without enlisting the support
of the traditional and city Chiefs of the Community.  We
commend the 15 Ife Traditional Chiefs and the Araba of Ife,
for the respect and affection they showed to us.  It is
impossible to single out anyone of them but we must
acknowledge our depth of gratitude to Lowa, Obajio, Jaaran,
Obaloran and Arode who were all personally known to us
before the quest began. We take this opportunity to pray for
the sweet repose of the soul of the Obalufe, Oba Omisakin,
who stoutly defended the traditional values of Ife and died
in the service of the Community. We must salute the efforts
of the Ife Legacy group for providing a powerful platform on

WhatsApp for all aspirants.We thank the other Chiefs and

elders of Ife, in particular, the Balogun of Ife, Chief Bisi
Omidiora (incidentally an uncle-in-law of Prince Adedamola),
the Asiwaju, Chief Alex Duduyemi, the Iyalode, who is from
the same Akui compound as Prince Aderemi as well as Sooko
Waabodu, Princess Ojuolape Orafidiya, Prince Adedamola’s

Aunt, and Prof Adesiyan Olawoyin, his uncle.Our great

friends, too numerous to count or mention played their part
through prayers, solidarity calls, visits and even
materially. Mrs Olabisi Shuaibu, Bola Olagbaju, Mr Raphael
Lewu, Mr Folusho Adeagbo, Ms Nike Oshinowo, Ms Bukola
Ayoola, Dr & Mrs Phillip Abiola, Mr Femi Osibanjo, Asmau
Yartofa, Folakemi Fatogbe, Tunde Akinleye, The Adedayos,
Justice ‘Ladiran Akintola, Wole Adelakun, Femi Kehinde,
Prof Tale Omole, Jide Lanlehin, Wole Adenle, Gbolaga Ajayi,
Prof Jide Owoeye, Mr Paul Onifade, Mr Sam Akpan, Mr Laitan
Eyiowuawi, Dr Tony Akintomide all played major

roles.Our renowned lawyer friends, some of

who double as respected religious leaders, gave support in a
variety of ways. They include Prof Konyin Ajayi, Femi

Atoyebi, Idowu Iluyomade,Akin Olujimi, Rotimi Akeredolu, Dr

Wale Olawoyin, Funke Aboyade, Niyi Akintola, Taiwo Taiwo,
Dele Oye, Tunde Ajibade amongst a host of

others.Our older friends like Sir Gabriel

Osawaru Igbinedion, Prof Ibrahim Gambari, Engineer Lanre
Sagaya and Prince Arthur Eze were elated by our audacious

bid.We could not have done what we did

without the total and unalloyed support of the larger Akui
family and the Aderemi family in particularly. The family
meetings we held were widely attended and the pledges of
support were humbling and uplifting at the same time.
Equally the Adegbenro family, the Oyediran family, the
Awolowo family and the Sigbeku family were solid in their

supoort for their son, Prince Adedamola.Our Team was

fantastic.  We could not have asked for better. Starting
from Uncle Wale Adeeyo and Senator Tokunbo Afikuyomi to
Damola’s brothers and cousins, Yemi, Dayo, Funmi, Debo,
Yemi Nla, Sokan, Yanju, and the Ife backbone of Yomi Adenuga
and Akin  Ofege supported by the entire Ovation crew of TV
presenters, photographers and journalists, we had
disciplined, well-heeled and efficient organisation to make

anybody proud.An Ooni-elect has emerged, Prince

Adeyeye Enitan Ogunwusi Ojaja II. We sincerely offer our
congratulations and wish him, the traditional chiefs and the
whole of Ife, well.  As Prince Adedamola Aderemi has said,
the Ooni institution, Ife and the Yoruba race are greater
than any of us and we must always recognise this and do
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[Philip Achusim]

I am full of questions. What is it that you can find in one religion and not in any other? What exactly are you looking for in religion that you can't find in the traditional religion? 

Oyibo are terrific salesmen. They sold us the bible in exchange for our resources. They sold us their religion in a bait and switch deal. If religion was divorced from education, many of you would be well educated traditional religion practitioners. Africans can't sell a thing. They are consumers of whatever Oyibo has to sell.

Folks. It is not just religion. It is everything that we buy Oyibo version and discard ours. Whatever I want from religion, I am proud to announce that I found it in the traditional religions of Nigeria. My sincere congratulations to you if you found what you are looking for in Christianity or Islam. But remember to keep the commandments that are common to all religions. If you steal from Ezeana, or attempt to kill Ezeana, the gods will have you for a meal, and there is nothing Christianity or Islam can do for you. In fact, the gods love true Christians and Moslems because they will never offend the gods. But if you offend the gods, there is nothing that can save you. 

As tired as you are to hear me say it, you are neither a christian nor a moslem if you are in the Nigerian government and you discriminate against Igbo. Neither Obasanjo nor GEJ is a christian because they did not act like Christians while in office. How can one call himself a christian if he was on the Halliburton Bribery Scandal list? How can one call himself a christian if he did not replace the Niger bridge? Yes. There are many many Nigerians who are phony christians and moslems. In my books, they don't have a religion. How on earth can you call yourself a christian when you have your guns ready to pull the trigger to massacre Igbo at the slighted excuse? And talk gleefully of the massacre of Igbo and the Igbo dead and call yourself a christian? Real religious folks, no matter their denomination, behave Christlike. 

Ezeana Achusim

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[afis 'Deinde]

Ezeana, you are full of shit.

By now at age 90, you should know the answers to those Qs. 

Why are you full of shit, you may ask, read this your statement: "How can one call himself a christian if he did not replace the Niger bridge?".......END.

So anyone or president that build that bridge is a Christian?

Well, suppose Buhari built it, would that make him a good Christian?
That's being full of shit.

Shikena 

Afis

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Shikena 

Afis

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My Professor,

I have to disagree with your view that the birth and consistent residence of 'Dele Momodu over a period of time does not make or qualify him as an indigene of Ife.
I believe in the Nigeria of today and the future he is certainly more indigenous that many born away from the great city, lacking continued residence but hang on to their parent's pedigree.

In other comments I am of course in agreement.

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My People:

I know Damola from Ife days. But his team may have made two mistakes:

(1). I was not contacted.
(2). God was not contacted.

If I had been contacted, I would have put only one question before the team.

And there you have it.


Bolaji Aluko

PS: It was not wise for Dele Momodu to write all of this. That he was born and bred in Ife does not make him an Ife indigene - or Yoruba for that matter. Kii se gbogbo aso Ile  ni a nsa ninu orun..it is not all family clothes, rags and all, that we put out to dry for all to see. Ooniship is Yoruba papacy..the politics of ascension to Papacy is shrouded in secrecy..

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[Mobolaji Aluko]

Olu:

In that case, Dele should write like an indigene.  No indigene would write as he did - as you can see, ALL the other Ruling Houses and Families have quickly lined up behind the new Oba, despite their earlier contestations.

An Oba can be there for one year, ten years or forty years  - that depends on Almighty God.  Other contestants might still be around - or may be long dead - again depending on Almighty God.  So by ruining your chances - through un-royal bluster - or by tempting God to prolong your life to attain Oba-ship - are both unwise.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

PS: Not all items in a garage are cars.  Not all residents in a town are indigenes.

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That's the danger in installing "born againsts" in critically impirtant posts.  They foul up the cultural atmosphere.   When the Ooni  knew the appellation was too much for him, being a born against, why did he choose to become an Oba? I heard he was given the contract to tar Ife-Ibadan road. The road to his domain had fallen into desuetude in his life time.  I guess that's the type of thing you find with "born againsts".  Jonathan was another one by whose fruits we shall judge him.

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VC Bolaji Aluko,

You wrote:

"For us Christians, .........."

For Ethiopians, until the mid 1970s, His Imperial Majesty Haile Selassie was King of Kings, Lord of Lords, Conquering Lion of the Tribe of Judah. For a non-Christian Yoruba that I am, the Ooni ranks above all non Yoruba kings and lords. Well, To each his own.

Adeniran Adeboye

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On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:51 PM, Mobolaji Aluko <alu...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ojogbon Adeboye:

Please don't go there: For us Christians, our Melchizedek is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and the Ooni is a tiny speck - the tiniest of specks - next to him.  Even late Oba Sijuwade realized that, and asked that he no longer be referred to as "Alayeluwa" or something like that, because his Christian sensibilities made him sensitive to such a high appelation that he felt he did not deserve.

Not everybody who comes before a Yoruba king prostrates before him.....I have never prostrated before the Oba of my own town, yet I have been in his presence quite a number of times......but if an occasion warrants it when YOU know ahead of time that you MUST prostrate before him, then you should. Otherwise, don't go there at all..it is as simple as that.

And there you have it.

Bolaji Aluko

On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Adeniran Adeboye <aade...@mac.com> wrote:

Pastor Joe,

You may want to revise your prior. Christianity is a traditional institution in 

Europe and, as a pastor, you've become more than a fan thereof after exposure to it via mere colonization. Members of your faith kiss at least the bishop's ring and 'dobale' before the "holy fathers" on occasions. One does not become a Pope by any magic; a lot of secret deals have to be cut in and out of the deliberations of the cardinals. 

The royal institution, in the Yoruba and Edo cultures, is both spiritual and temporal. Accordingly, it incorporates a personification of the cultures' sensitivities and sensibilities. Logic is therefore too weak to either justify or debase it. The Ooni of Ife is at least the High Priest of the Yoruba culture. In the deepest recesses of that culture, your Melchizedek cannot compare.

Adeniran Adeboye

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I am not a fan of these traditional institutions but can understand why it may interest some folks. However when I read all these campaigning, begging, lobbying and 'dobale ' in order to become a traditional ruler, it seems to me it may be time to scrap them. After campaigning / lobbying from Emeka to Tinubu to Abubakar like a common politician what is traditional about the office?

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