Nebu: Re: Abba Gumel and Kwankwaso ungrateful to Yoruba : Re: Abba, what then is tr...

[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Nebu,

There is nothing new that can come from you or any Inyanminrin or biafran about Awo. I am interested in how Abba reached his conclusion/belief that Awo was a tribalist. He should tell us if he came to the belief from what Inyanminrins and biafrans wrote on the forums. 

Ayo Ojutalayo

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Is there anything Abba said about Awo that is not known by 99% of Nigerians? Awo was a visionary, yes, but he was also a tribalist -- he was the father of the politics of dividing Nigerians along tribal lines -- a divisive mechanism in the Nigerian political process. Do not let Leye Ige and Ayo Ojutalayo, two experts at concerted flatulence expulsion, fool you with their agonizing yowls.

 

By no means does the above suggest that the Northern leaders of the era (Sarduana and Balewa) were not equally tribalistic. They were tribal lords too, their only distinction with Awo was that they were straightforward. Awo was as cunning about his tribalism as are his worshippers of Ige and Ojutalayo today.

 

Make una let man picking dey observe this snow, ojare!

 

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In a message dated 1/23/2016 3:37:05 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, abuj...@gmail.com writes:

See what Hausa Fulani mindset sounds like? and what they are now telling Yoruba. Abba Gumel the Professor and Senator kwankwaso the corrupt former Governor, have the guts to say these to Yoruba after the election of Buhari. Before the APC and ACN merger and  during the election they would not have made these ungrateful  statements. Talk about being ungrateful. http://www.nigeriadailynews.news/news/214637-shut-up-rabiu-kwankwaso-insults-yoruba-elders-over-secession-threat.html 27/10/2015 05:50:0 Mojisola Mba Senator Alhaji Rabiu Musa Kwankwaso, has asked elders of the Yorubaland to ‘shut up’ over their recent secession threat, following the kidnapping of a former Secretary to the Government of the Federation (SGF), Chief Olu Falae, and the perceived lack of true federalism in the nation’s polity.According to THISDAY, Kwankwaso said the call by these elders was misguided and politically motivated stressing that no zone can be an island on its own, just as he remarked that what the Fulani herdsmen that were being asked to leave Yorubaland needed was education on how to go about their cattle rearing business. Unquote  Senator Alhaji Rabiu Musa Kwankwas On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:25 PM, Abba Gumel <abba...@gmail.com> wrote: I shall say onto the Awoist to ``bring it on".  Hehehehhehhehe.  There is no comparison between Awo and PMB.  The former was a tribalist.  The latter is decidedly not (he is an un-repented nationalist).  Having said this, I must also concede that Awo had some qualities that are inherently Buharistic....qualities of patriotism, vision, father figure, strength and people (in Awo's case, ``his people") centredness.   I saw an admirable sentimental side of Awo when he came to console us (the great people of Kano) over the passing of Mallam Aminu in 1983.  I used to make a point to attend Awo's rallies whenever he came to town...not to listen to what he had to say, but actually to see his helicopter (we were young pikins then).   Hehehehhehehehehe. Abba Abba Gumel via googlegroups.com

Hehehehhehehe.  My views on Awo are well-known.  I have been espousing them for over a decade....there are some who would think he was not what some of us thought he was.  We have since learnt to agree to disagree on that.....but, I think, history would show that we were right (we always are, anyway...it is in our veins).   Awo would have been an excellent President....but he wasn't electable because of how he was perceived (rightly or wrongly) by the rest of us outside the SW.   Tinubu, on the other hand (who some call ``the new Awo") is very much electable....because he, unlike Awo, was able to build a national coalition (and I am yet to hear anyone labelling him as a tribalist.....he has other labels though (some of which I am sure you would be quick to remind us in your response), but being tribalist isn't one of them).

Abba

On 21 January 2016 at 12:50, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

I shall say onto the Awoist to ``bring it on".  Hehehehhehhehe.  There is no comparison between Awo and PMB.  The former was a tribalist.  The latter is decidedly not (he is an un-repented nationalist).  Abba Gumel

Abba my brother , what a gauntlet you have thrown. Let's see whether Afis and Ayo will pick it up. Or they will leave it to the intellectuals like Prof Aluko and 'Leye Ige' or better still to the grand defender himself my oga at the top Prof Adeniran Adeboye
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Bro. Joe,

My own view of Awo was based on what I personally heard from some of Awo's peers and what I have read from the writings (memoirs mostly) of some of those peers of his.  I also saw (with my own eyes) his actions during the PPA/PPP alliance initiative.  Those within the SW may not know how others saw their hero....but he surely was seen by the overwhelming majority outside the SW in the way that we described.   There are lessons to be learnt....and I think the likes of MKO and Tinubu made this quite clear.  It is not about Awo bashing.  It is about presenting history from the vantage point of those of us in the know.   No be so-:)))?

On Fri, Jan 22, 2016 at 12:59 PM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via NaijaEvent <naija...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

Abba: Tribalism isn't about diverting to one's tribe that which belongs to another. Awo was a tribalist in the eyes of pretty much all his peers outside the SW. 

Ayo: I  am happy you cannot cite an instance of Awo diverting to his "tribe" what should have gone to another "tribe". What then is tribalism? So you have no evidence that Awo was a tribalist? You only believe he was a tribalist because he "was a tribalist in the eyes of pretty much all his peers outside SW"? That is why I normally don't bother to defend allegation of tribalism against Papa Awolowo. It is a baseless allegation. You are guilty of the same thing I quarrel with people for concerning Buhari being "a tribalist in the eyes of pretty much of Nigerians from the South". You must have read allegation of tribalism against Buhari for visiting Oyo State Governor to complain about harassment of Fulanis and their cows while traveling through Oyo State. My response was that I expected Obasanjo to do the same if Yorubas complain of being harassed any where outside SW. That is not tribalism. That Sadauna preferred to remain as Premier of Northern Region instead of being the country's Prime Minister was to me, not tribalism even though "in the eyes of millions of Nigerians it was tribalism". That Ojukwu led Igbos in an attempt to secede from Nigeria did not mean that he was a tribalist. Unlike what happens in developed countries where younger generations form their own opinions of people and issues concerning other ethnicities and races (in most cases disagreeing with their parents' stereotypes, biases and prejudices), your generation in Nigeria unfortunately just agreed with what was passed on to you by a biased and prejudiced older generation.

Abba: The SW region is not any better up in terms of public education than the rest of the country... there isn't a single school in the SW that matters in the global scheme of things (the entire education system in the country has failed, so the notion of one region doing any better than the others is, in my estimation, neither here nor there). 

Ayo: Abba, this is not an academic discussion, you know what I am talking about. You cannot compare literacy level of SW with that of Northern Nigeria, and it has to do with what Awolowo and his team did in the 50's and the 60's. There have been public confessions of professionals that said they would not have gone to school or beyond primary school if not for Awo's free education. Such individual's children who are also professionals today might not have gone to school if their parents did not go to school. There have been Easterners who made such confessions having enjoyed Awo's free education. We don't need statistics to know that there must be more Doctors, more Engineers etc from each of SW states than from all the Northern States combined for example. Papa Awo foresaw this situation and wanted  it avoided with his education plan for the whole country. If he were a tribalist, he would not have wished for the whole country, the "good life" he provided for his "tribe".

Abba: It isn't true that Awo was  resented by folks North of the Niger because the Northern elites didn't want the North to be educated (people keep attributing such to the elites, and they couldn't be more wrong; there was a reason why people resisted western education at some point in history....we should not try to re-write history).

Ayo: Okay Abba, why was Awo resented by folks North of Niger? Why would he not be allowed to campaign in Northern towns and cities? Why do first class educated people like Abba still believe Awo was a tribalist without evidence?

Please send me a personal copy of your response as your postings don't get to me for whatever reason.

Ayo Ojutalayo

 

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Gworo guy, Abba,

Trump is coming for your Moslem ass in USA? If you need a place to hide, drive down to Dallas, you can hide in my shed in my backyard.  Make sure they don't find out about your activities at the Madrases in Malaysia, you hear me! 

Now, you said "Tribalism isn't about diverting to one's tribe that which belongs to another." If this is not tribalism at its worst as practiced by Buhari, what is? 

To be clear, the worst tribalism is stealing from others, as in "...diverting to one's tribe that which belongs to another."

Buhari is a damn tribalist, period! Look at what is happening in the country today!

Stay tuned! Iguade

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On Jan 21, 2016, at 11:01 PM, "Abba Gumel" <abba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ayo,

Tribalism isn't about diverting to one's tribe that which belongs to another.   Awo was a tribalist in the eyes of pretty much all his peers outside the SW.  The SW region is not any better up in terms of public education than the rest of the country... there isn't a single school in the SW that matters in the global scheme of things (the entire education system in the country has failed, so the notion of one region doing any better than the others is, in my estimation, neither here nor there).  It isn't true that Awo was  resented by folks North of the Niger because the Northern elites didn't want the North to be educated (people keep attributing such to the elites, and they couldn't be more wrong; there was a reason why people resisted western education at some point in history....we should not try to re-write history).

Abba

On 21 January 2016 at 20:02, Ayotade Ojutalayo ayoo...@yahoo.com [NIgerianWorldForum] <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Abba,

You said Papa Awolowo was a tribalist. I am sure you cannot cite an instant when he diverted to his "tribe" what should have gone to another "tribe". Have you read or heard of how Gowon speaks of  Papa Awolowo with reverence whenever he speaks about Papa Awo? If Papa Awo had been Prime Minister of Nigeria for five years only, would Northern Nigeria be as educationally backward as it is today? You probably were too young to know that the resentment of Northern politicians for Awo was, among other things, because of the Northern establishment leaders' determination to shield Northern Talakawas from western education and western ways of life. What Papa Awolowo did for Western Region as Premier, he wanted to do for Nigeria as Prime Minister hence he resigned as Premier to become the national opposition leader. What was tribalistic in that?

Because PMB is a frank, honest and humble person, I am sure PMB will not hesitate to say that comparing him with Papa Awo is like comparing sleep with death and that he was not fit to untie shoe lace of any of Papa Awo, Sadauna, Zik and Abubakar Tafawa Balewa.

 

Ayo Ojutalayo

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I shall say onto the Awoist to ``bring it on".  Hehehehhehhehe.  There is no comparison between Awo and PMB.  The former was a tribalist.  The latter is decidedly not (he is an un-repented nationalist).  Having said this, I must also concede that Awo had some qualities that are inherently Buharistic....qualities of patriotism, vision, father figure, strength and people (in Awo's case, ``his people") centredness.   I saw an admirable sentimental side of Awo when he came to console us (the great people of Kano) over the passing

of Mallam Aminu in 1983.  I used to make a point to attend Awo's rallies whenever he came to town...not to listen to what he had to say, but actually to see his helicopter (we were young pikins then).   Hehehehhehehehehe.

Abba

On 21 January 2016 at 12:11, Joe Attueyi <topc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

In other words, PMB's civil servants are a lot smarter (judging by predisposition to make typographical error) than Awo's.  

Hehehehe! You want to inherit the annual ritual of Awo vs Ojukwu/ Biafra debate? Turn it to PMB Vs Awo? De ting requires staying power o-----year in; year out!

Joe

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On Jan 21, 2016, at 6:58 PM, Abba Gumel <abba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hehehehhehehhe.  The write-up in the document is poorly punctuated. For instance, there ought to be commas after the word ``receive" and the figure ``1965". There should be a period (full stop) after ``charge".  There should be a comma after ``On behalf of the people".  Need I go on?  The document is filled with errors.....   a lot more than the innocent single typo (of 2016 instead of 2015) in PMB's letter.

In other words, PMB's civil servants are a lot smarter (judging by predisposition to make typographical error) than Awo's.   Hehehhehehe.  Na you cause am wo...you should let the sleeping Ajegunlean dog to lie kampe wo. 

Abba (having a bellyful laugh of Bolajic proportion)  

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When there was a country........and civil servants could write error free letters

Joe





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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

"The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism! Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no other reason than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other tribes. They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the name of secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep their tribe and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as their investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are scattered all over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . . Emeka Okala

 

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[Joe Attueyi]

There are certain arguments one reads hereabouts that don't make sense. One of them :

The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism! 

Let's for argument say I am a tribalist. I have not yet sought the presidency of Nigeria. I wish to seek the presidency of Nigeria. I now realise that being a tribalist stopped Awo from becoming president of Nigeria. And I say so---thereby reminding myself that I have to choose between being a tribalist and being Nigeria's president as the two are mutually exclusive ( Awo being proof positive). What exactly is wrong with that?

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"Let's for argument say I am a tribalist. I have not yet sought the presidency of Nigeria. I wish to seek the presidency of Nigeria. I now realise that being a tribalist stopped Awo from becoming president of Nigeria. And I say so---thereby reminding myself that I have to choose between being a tribalist and being Nigeria's president as the two are mutually exclusive ( Awo being proof positive). What exactly is wrong with that?"  -  Joe Attueyi

Comment:

I was the Campaign Strategist of the Youth Wing arm of the now defunct UPN in Rivers State (1978-9) and I worked very closely with Awo who was the Presidential Candidate of the party at the time. I make bold to say that there was no element of tribalism in him. All I saw in Awo was a very visionary and determined man who committed all in him in terms of skill, vision, money, experience, energy and scholarship to see Nigeria as Africa's leading light in the scheme of things.

You may want to prove any other leader tribalism positive, but with Awo, that's a misnomer!

And there you have it. (Apologies Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben Okala

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Hehehehhehehe.  My views on Awo are well-known.  I have been espousing them for over a decade....there are some who would think he was not what some of us thought he was.  We have since learnt to agree to disagree on that.....but, I think, history would show that we were right (we always are, anyway...it is in our veins).   Awo would have been an excellent President....but he wasn't electable because of how he was perceived (rightly or wrongly) by the rest of us outside the SW.   Tinubu, on the other hand (who some call ``the new Awo") is very much electable....because he, unlike Awo, was able to build a national coalition (and I am yet to hear anyone labelling him as a tribalist.....he has other labels though (some of which I am sure you would be quick to remind us in your response), but being tribalist isn't one of them).

Abba

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Abba my brother , what a gauntlet you have thrown. Let's see whether Afis and Ayo will pick it up. Or they will leave it to the intellectuals like Prof Aluko and 'Leye Ige' or better still to the grand defender himself my oga at the top Prof Adeniran Adeboye
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[Joe Attueyi]

Pastor Okala,

I cannot begrudge you your personal opinion / perception about Awo. 

However you are shifting the goal posts.  Yours that I responded to was the argument that '.. The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism'. As if there is something inherently wrong with a tribalist recognising a fellow tribalist. That is your argument that did not make sense to me. Sometimes it may actually take one tribalist to recognise another. 

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Emeka,

You can be sure the Joe Attueyis and the Abba Gumels that did not interact with Awo will continue to hold their views no matter what people like you that knew Awo say. It is more of biases and prejudices from generation to generation.

Ayo Ojutalayo

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[Chukwuemeka Okala]

"...Yours that I responded to was the argument that '.. The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism'. As if there is something inherently wrong with a tribalist recognising a fellow tribalist. That is your argument that did not make sense to me. Sometimes it may actually take one tribalist to recognise another."  -  Joe Attueyi

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Dear Joe,

You got me totally wrong. What I actually mean in that portion of my statement is; "The ones [wrongly] accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism.

Have a good one,

[afis 'Deinde]

Joe Attueyi understood, he took personally which he should because everything about his igbo tribe is Tribalism.

Shikena 

Afis

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[afis 'Deinde]

"The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism! Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no other reason than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other tribes. They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the name of secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep their tribe and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as their investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are scattered all over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . . Emeka Okala

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

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[Leye Ige]

"Let's for argument say I am a tribalist."--Joe Attueyi
RESPONSE: NO!! this is not about "for argument"--YOU ARE A TRIBALIST--by your own admission( it takes a tribalist to recognize another)



" I have not yet sought the presidency of Nigeria."--- Joe Attueyi
RESPONSE: There are so many tribalists who have not yet sought Nigeria's presidency

" I wish to seek the presidency of Nigeria. I now realise that being a tribalist stopped Awo from becoming president of Nigeria. And I say so---thereby reminding myself that I have to choose between being a tribalist and being Nigeria's president as the two are mutually exclusive ( Awo being proof positive). What exactly is wrong with that?"---Joe Attueyi

RESPONSE: This is what is wrong: since YOU have admitted, sometimes "it takes a tribalist to recognize another"--it can only mean that tribalism could NOT have been (1) the reason for Awo's rejection since all others, including his accusers are also tribalists (2) being Nigeria's president and a tribalist are NOT mutually exclusive--again since all are tribalists. So, what is wrong is in YOU(and others) denying who you are.
Leye Ige


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Date: Monday, January 25, 2016, 5:18 AM

 









There are certain arguments one reads
hereabouts that don't make sense. One of them
:

The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are
the very epitome of
tribalism! 

Let's for argument say I am a
tribalist. I have not yet sought the presidency of Nigeria.
I wish to seek the presidency of Nigeria. I now realise that
being a tribalist stopped Awo from becoming president of
Nigeria. And I say so---thereby reminding myself that I have
to choose between being a tribalist and being Nigeria's
president as the two are mutually exclusive ( Awo being
proof positive). What exactly is wrong with
that?
Joe

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, 'Ayo

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wrote:

"The
ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome
of tribalism!
Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no
other reason
than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other
tribes.
They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the
name of
secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep
their tribe
and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as
their
investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are
scattered all
over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . .
Emeka Okala
 

Ayo
Ojutalayo

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[Ayo Ojutalayo]

Abba,

That was what I thought . . . . that you were a man of principle. Your belief since twenty years you said were based on what you read and those you discussed Awo with. Why can't you make public who and what you read, and the people you discussed with? And what is tribalism to you?

I have read so much about Igbos' basis for their opinion about Awo for example - carpet crossing at the Western House of Assembly and Awo's role during the civil war. I want to know yours too if it is true that it was not passed to you and you just imbibed what was passed to you without questions. I don't have to agree with you but it will add to my knowledge. It is not enough for me to know your view/belief .

Ayo Ojutalayo

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On Sat, Jan 23, 2016 at 5:20 PM, Abba Gumel

<abba...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ayo:

No, I am a man of conscience, principles, integrity and honour.  I form my own views based on my own (rigorous) means and methods.

My views about Awo date back at least 20 years.....those on Naijanet (ask Leye et al.) are very well aware.

Abba

[Afis Deinde]

"It's a birthday breakfast for His Excellency Senator Ibikunle Amosun CON FCA. Happy birthday... May God continue to bless you, prosper you and guide you. Wishing you long life and more prosperous years in good health and wealth."......Newstory.

@@@@@@

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:50 AM, afis 'Deinde <odide...@gmail.com> wrote:

"The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism! Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no other reason than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other tribes. They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the name of secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep their tribe and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as their investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are scattered all over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . . Emeka Okala

Shikena 

Afis

“Just as a solid rock is not shaken by the storm, even so the wise are not affected by praise or blame.” — Dhamapada, verse 81.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 25, 2016, at 3:33 AM, 'Ayo Ojutalayo' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

"The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome of tribalism! Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no other reason than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other tribes. They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the name of secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep their tribe and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as their investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are scattered all over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . . Emeka Okala

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Abba Gumel: "Emeka you may know Awo, but you weren't his associate. You were his supporter, and hence cannot objectively evaluate him."
RESPONSE: OK. Let's take this as acceptable

Abba Gumel: " I would take more seriously the views of those who knew Awo very well and weren't his supporters or defenders.....like folks who ran against him during elections or those who served with him in the federal cabinet etc. Not yours. Nothing personal. You have a vested interest in the matter...and your testimony is, therefore, unacceptable"

RESPONSE: (1) "like folks who ran against him during elections" presupposes that those folks COULD NOT HAVE BEEN OBJECTIVE; otherwise WHY did they run against him?(2) "those who served with him in the federal cabinet COULD BE EITHER his supporters/defenders OR opponents--which again means they could NOT have been objective, especially if they were his opponents; (3) "you have vested interest in the matter"--OBVIOUSLY any OPPONENT/SUPPORTER MUST have VESTED interest in what is opposed or supported; (4) ALL of which debunks your objectivity claim and whatever criteria you use to arrive at your conclusion. Not to mention the fact that your relationship with Aminu Kano CANNOT determine the criteria for relationships between others.
Leye Ige

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Date: Thursday, January 28, 2016, 2:59 PM


 









The
witness is impeached!
 StevekMitchellville,
MarylandThe
most dangerous trend in the world today is the growing
awareness of the common man - Zbigniew Brzezinsky
1978A wise man
proportions his beliefs with
evidence
- David Hume




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25, 2016 9:49 AM
Subject: NigerianID |
Re: Emeka Okala: Re: Abba Gumel and Kwankwaso ungrateful to

Yoruba : Re: Abba, what then is tr...



 

So, because Emeka says
he ``worked very closely with Awo" (as a strategist for
the ``youth wing arm" of the UPN) and that Awo ``had no
element of tribalism in him", then Awo was not a
tribalist?  In other words, the views of the millions of
others with contrary opinion do not matter, and only
Emeka's does.   This is sound logic indeed.  By the
way,   I am curious to learn how ``closely" Emeka (a
youth wing leader) worked with Awo.... Emeka, did you call
Awo every day, week, month, yearly for a strategy
tete-a-tete?   I can make similar claim to having ``worked
closely" with Mallam Aminu, since I saw him regularly
at his Mambaiya House (he was almost always sitting on a mat
outside his house chatting with supporters, and he took his
time to train/interact with little pikins like
us...that's why we turned out to be so great).  Since
Mallam Aminu also worked very closely with Awo, I can
claim (by transitivity) that I worked very closely with
Awo-:)))).
Emeka you
may know Awo, but you weren't his associate.  You were
his supporter, and hence cannot objectively evaluate
him.  I would take more seriously the views of those
who knew Awo very well and weren't his supporters or
defenders.....like folks who ran against him during
elections or those who served with him in the federal
cabinet etc.   Not yours.  Nothing personal.  You have a
vested interest in the matter...and your testimony is,
therefore, unacceptable.   
Abba
On 25 January 2016 at
05:31, Ayo Ojutalayo <ayooju...@yahoo.com>

wrote:
Emeka,
You can be sure
the Joe Attueyis and the Abba Gumels that did not interact
with Awo will continue to hold their views no matter what
people like you that knew Awo say. It is more of biases and
prejudices from generation to generation.

Ayo
Ojutalayo

“The ultimate measure of a man is not
where he stands in moments of
comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of
challenge and controversy. ” . . . Martin Luther King
Jr

[NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [africanworldforum] Nebu: Re: Abba

Gumel and Kwankwaso ungrateful to Yoruba : Re: Abba, what
then is tr...

"Let's for
argument say I am a tribalist. I have not yet sought the
presidency of Nigeria. I wish to seek the presidency of
Nigeria. I now realise that being a tribalist stopped Awo
from becoming president of Nigeria. And I say so---thereby
reminding myself that I have to choose between being a
tribalist and being Nigeria's president as the two are
mutually exclusive ( Awo being proof positive). What exactly

is wrong with that?"  -  Joe
Attueyi
Comment:I was the
Campaign Strategist of the Youth Wing arm of the now defunct
UPN in Rivers State (1978-9) and I worked very closely with
Awo who was the Presidential Candidate of the party at the
time. I make bold to say that there was no element of
tribalism in him. All I saw in Awo was a very visionary and
determined man who committed all in him in terms of skill,
vision, money, experience, energy and scholarship to see
Nigeria as Africa's leading light in the scheme of
things.
You may want
to prove any other leader tribalism positive, but with Awo,
that's a misnomer!
And there you
have it. (Apologies Bolaji Aluko).

Emeka Reuben OkalaLondon, UK"Faith

[Religion] and reason are not necessarily opposed. But when
reason won't take you another step, faith keeps on going
because it connects you to
God."    
  




On Monday, 25 January

2016, 10:18, "Joe Attueyi topc...@yahoo.com
[NIgerianWorldForum]" <NIgerianW...@yahoogroups.com>
wrote:



 

There are certain arguments one reads
hereabouts that don't make sense. One of them
:

The ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are
the very epitome of
tribalism! 

Let's for argument say I am a
tribalist. I have not yet sought the presidency of Nigeria.
I wish to seek the presidency of Nigeria. I now realise that
being a tribalist stopped Awo from becoming president of
Nigeria. And I say so---thereby reminding myself that I have
to choose between being a tribalist and being Nigeria's
president as the two are mutually exclusive ( Awo being
proof positive). What exactly is wrong with
that?
Joe

Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 25, 2016, at 8:33 AM, 'Ayo

Ojutalayo' via AfricanWorldForum <africanw...@googlegroups.com>
wrote:

"The
ones accusing Awo today of tribalism are the very epitome
of tribalism!
Even as we talk, they want to secede from Nigeria for no
other reason
than they cannot get on with their fellow Nigerians of other
tribes.
They feign marginalisation where there is none all in the
name of
secession, for no other purpose than that they want to keep
their tribe
and turn it to an independent nation of its own - even as
their
investments and over 90% of their collective wealth are
scattered all
over Nigeria. How else can one define tribalism?" . . .
Emeka Okala
 

Ayo
Ojutalayo

“The ultimate measure of a man is not
where he stands in moments of
comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of
challenge and controversy. ” . . . Martin Luther King
Jr

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