RE: [] Why Africans/Nigerians are so hateful?
Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)
This is a classic case of Nigerian antipathy for taking on difficult societal problems, running away from seeking solutions, and resorting to escapism when confronted by complex situations; Nigerians should QUIT this tendency for convenient quick fixes to challenges instead of mustering bold and courageous moves, applying the massive intelligence, skills and hardwork in the society to resolve societal problems.
Dr Akin Awofolaju has tickled our minds on the various time-wasting and energy expending exercises we frequently indulge in in cyberspace; instead of us to seek serious, lasting solutions, such as why some people wont address subject-matters but would rather attack the writer or use expletives, disparaging or condescending comment, we are suggesting that Nigerians misbehave or disrespect each other because we are different or forced together as a country?
Excuse me……..is it not a FACT that the communities that make up Nigeria are neighboring African ethnic groups who frequently inter-marry, reside in each other’s villages, fetch water from the same rivers and even have several common words in their languages and dialects? How is that arrangement compared to the creation of some of the most stable democracies in modern times whereby different people from distant geographic locations meet in a foreign location to build and new societies as compatriots. Look , folks, except we accept our inadequacies in leadership abilities in modern times or we believe the forgers of the highly heterogeneous foreign societies such as USA and Canada are aliens, we don’t have any excuse for not operating as one people with a common destiny who should respect each other and have regard for one another to muster the synergy to build our society and advance our people in the contemporary global village. Take care. JUI
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Why Africans/Nigerians are so hateful?
This should help explain why: People who are different in too many ways are forced to live together
See:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_ila9vgYM&list=PLzWEs4f49XocNYmC1ejBBBG4kPuzuaTU0
On Tuesday, 12 November 2013, 16:28, Publisher Diasporascope <diaspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Mr. Akin,
How are you? Thank you for this insightful article.
We will like to publish the piece on our blog if you do not mind. http://www.diasporascope.com/ is a site that focuses primarily on Nigeria/Africa Diaspora affairs.
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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM, <Awof...@aol.com> wrote:
Why Africans/ Nigerians are so hateful?
Sometimes I wonder, Are Nigerians so jobless? spending their enormous valuable hours on yahoo groups trashing each other 24/7 especially in a country where people are been paid heavily per hour their jobs, what gets into an average African/ or Nigerian's head? So hateful, disrespectful and resentful of one another for no reasons but showing off narcissistic effects and staged realism, why Nigerians are always filled with rage, angers, bitterness and sometimes prefer to abhor ethnical indifferences of their past to move reclusively to their future to nowhere. I have watched this forum religiously for over 9 yrs, what are the benefits though beside the mastery arts of bringing each others down? History is a great thing but you can't allow it to define and rewind your presence and live rent free in your head day by day be it Biafra or Wetie . Sometimes I appraise the passion that comes with it but you cannot be carried away with it absentmindedly. You cannot make a tea party omelette without expecting to break some eggheads along with it. When an account on history is to be made, they will be mistakes irredeemably made from both left & right and there is nothing to it, either move on or let it bury you. Some Nigerians with good hearts likes Dr. Ola Kassim, Gen. Ishola Williams, Ozodi, Ogbonna, Adejuwon, Chuks, Otunoye, Aduba, Pastor Emeka Egbe, Aluko, Igietseme, Odumakins and so on (just to mention a few) are been slaughtered and castigated for no just cause while majority seating and hiding in despair behind their keyboards enjoying the unjust tirade. What are we made of ? A collection of brilliant minds or grumpy old men that have no regards for sanctity of life. What you do today becomes history tomorrow, Do you ever think in 10 years to come, someone ( your sons and daughters) might be interested in reading all these hateful and tribal bigotry threads on web simply searching goggle on their project on Nigeria and suddenly stomped on your hateful innuendoes , and there you have it ? Do you want them to pick it where you left it off? Old man? As ignorant as some of us might be, anything you write on Internet are permanently archived, www make it permanently on the web as a record. There are a lot of ways to get lost in Chicago, being Nigerians is one of it. When you are angry with someone, he lives rent free in your head for years as long as that anger remains in your tiny little souls, you are the victim not the other guy, you probably don't know it. Why do we worry so much on what we do not have control on ? Oduah gate!!!!, Fani-Kayode Palaver!!!!, Ogwuonye Watergate!!! or on cat fight of who owns Lagos or Abuja rigmarole? it's sad, when some of you cannot even claim ownership of your own father's compound!!! It bothers me when people still deliberate on Ojukwu & Awolowo takes on Biafra to date, for all I care, when did you see children of these two great individuals, who probably will never remain poor from their generation to generation, coming out here to your gathering of disintellectual satire group and fight this loosing web battle, an average Nigeria is a loose cannon, on a boat with a senile captain, with no destination on lost voyage. Why is issue of unfortunate Biafra war, that many innocent people lost their souls both sides becomes a laughing stocks of other heartless cliques, this is not ways to consecrate the deads on unfair Nigeria/ Biafra civil war of 1967 -1975 that separated families, children without fathers, uncountable widows, who benefits more besides bunch of web big-mouthed culprits, tyrants like you folks who are jobless orchestrating hatred, and woe 24/7 while seeking undue popularity on the web, advertently hidden but cowardly behind keyboards, or sometimes throw invisible punches on your faceless yahoogroup fora enemies. Now you folks probably drawn Dr. Valentine Ojo to hypertensive stage, he shows up no more on your gossip suya fora, you beginning to clamoring for his comeback, how retarded? Do we ever reset? Look back and watch Chinese or Indian Diaspora creatively adding values to their fatherland? How long do you want to remain victim of Biafra, Awolowo, Sardauna circumstances before you get it right? What does it takes? When you are six feet under? What have you individually contributed to add value or make changes to Nigeria inadequacies adding value wise? If you want to be recognized adequately, you have to develop self restraint, naked aggression or name calling is a sign of weakness and it makes you look pugnacious. Don't get me wrong though, I will not be politically correct to say the least that there is "No good discussion or moments" that sometime ensued on this forum, but one will expect it is the right atonement to follow not otherwise. When the only tool you have is hammer, every problem you encounter looks like nails. We need to deconstruct ourselves from our perverted tribal egos, or from morally emptiness, with undue conception of what is not a true sense bearer of Nigeria identity. I know many good Nigerians, ivy leaguers or non ivy leaguers, entrepreneurs in their own rights, corporate counterparts, straight intellectual shooters that work 24/7 with creative thinking looking for better ways to make landmarks in sand of time, good example will be a good friend likes of decent, Phil Emeagwali an internet guru. It takes a creative mind to develop a nation. I'm in view of our intellectual dishonesty, evidenced by our self contradiction everyday on the fora. When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and pig laugh back at you because he enjoy it and you dont. What makes evil men to succeed is for few good men to remain silent. when is enough, enough? Commonalities can be a big common problem if unchecked.
Akin Awofolaju,PhD
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This is a classic case of Nigerian antipathy for taking on difficult societal problems, running away from seeking solutions, and resorting to escapism when confronted by complex situations; Nigerians should QUIT this tendency for convenient quick fixes to challenges instead of mustering bold and courageous moves, applying the massive intelligence, skills and hardwork in the society to resolve societal problems.Dr Akin Awofolaju has tickled our minds on the various time-wasting and energy expending exercises we frequently indulge in in cyberspace; instead of us to seek serious, lasting solutions, such as why some people wont address subject-matters but would rather attack the writer or use expletives, disparaging or condescending comment, we are suggesting that Nigerians misbehave or disrespect each other because we are different or forced together as a country?Excuse me……..is it not a FACT that the communities that make up Nigeria are neighboring African ethnic groups who frequently inter-marry, reside in each other’s villages, fetch water from the same rivers and even have several common words in their languages and dialects? How is that arrangement compared to the creation of some of the most stable democracies in modern times whereby different people from distant geographic locations meet in a foreign location to build and new societies as compatriots. Look , folks, except we accept our inadequacies in leadership abilities in modern times or we believe the forgers of the highly heterogeneous foreign societies such as USA and Canada are aliens, we don’t have any excuse for not operating as one people with a common destiny who should respect each other and have regard for one another to muster the synergy to build our society and advance our people in the contemporary global village. Take care. JUIFrom: africanw...@googlegroups.com [mailto:africanw...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Okechukwu Okonjo
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Subject: Re: [africanworldforum] Why Africans/Nigerians are so hateful?
This should help explain why: People who are different in too many ways are forced to live together
See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zL_ila9vgYM&list=PLzWEs4f49XocNYmC1ejBBBG4kPuzuaTU0
On Tuesday, 12 November 2013, 16:28, Publisher Diasporascope <diaspo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello Mr. Akin,How are you? Thank you for this insightful article.We will like to publish the piece on our blog if you do not mind. http://www.diasporascope.com/ is a site that focuses primarily on Nigeria/Africa Diaspora affairs.Hope to hear from you.Thanks,Diasporascope team.
On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:31 AM, <Awof...@aol.com> wrote:Why Africans/ Nigerians are so hateful?Sometimes I wonder, Are Nigerians so jobless? spending their enormous valuable hours on yahoo groups trashing each other 24/7 especially in a country where people are been paid heavily per hour their jobs, what gets into an average African/ or Nigerian's head? So hateful, disrespectful and resentful of one another for no reasons but showing off narcissistic effects and staged realism, why Nigerians are always filled with rage, angers, bitterness and sometimes prefer to abhor ethnical indifferences of their past to move reclusively to their future to nowhere. I have watched this forum religiously for over 9 yrs, what are the benefits though beside the mastery arts of bringing each others down? History is a great thing but you can't allow it to define and rewind your presence and live rent free in your head day by day be it Biafra or Wetie . Sometimes I appraise the passion that comes with it but you cannot be carried away with it absentmindedly. You cannot make a tea party omelette without expecting to break some eggheads along with it. When an account on history is to be made, they will be mistakes irredeemably made from both left & right and there is nothing to it, either move on or let it bury you. Some Nigerians with good hearts likes Dr. Ola Kassim, Gen. Ishola Williams, Ozodi, Ogbonna, Adejuwon, Chuks, Otunoye, Aduba, Pastor Emeka Egbe, Aluko, Igietseme, Odumakins and so on (just to mention a few) are been slaughtered and castigated for no just cause while majority seating and hiding in despair behind their keyboards enjoying the unjust tirade. What are we made of ? A collection of brilliant minds or grumpy old men that have no regards for sanctity of life. What you do today becomes history tomorrow, Do you ever think in 10 years to come, someone ( your sons and daughters) might be interested in reading all these hateful and tribal bigotry threads on web simply searching goggle on their project on Nigeria and suddenly stomped on your hateful innuendoes , and there you have it ? Do you want them to pick it where you left it off? Old man? As ignorant as some of us might be, anything you write on Internet are permanently archived, www make it permanently on the web as a record. There are a lot of ways to get lost in Chicago, being Nigerians is one of it. When you are angry with someone, he lives rent free in your head for years as long as that anger remains in your tiny little souls, you are the victim not the other guy, you probably don't know it. Why do we worry so much on what we do not have control on ? Oduah gate!!!!, Fani-Kayode Palaver!!!!, Ogwuonye Watergate!!! or on cat fight of who owns Lagos or Abuja rigmarole? it's sad, when some of you cannot even claim ownership of your own father's compound!!! It bothers me when people still deliberate on Ojukwu & Awolowo takes on Biafra to date, for all I care, when did you see children of these two great individuals, who probably will never remain poor from their generation to generation, coming out here to your gathering of disintellectual satire group and fight this loosing web battle, an average Nigeria is a loose cannon, on a boat with a senile captain, with no destination on lost voyage. Why is issue of unfortunate Biafra war, that many innocent people lost their souls both sides becomes a laughing stocks of other heartless cliques, this is not ways to consecrate the deads on unfair Nigeria/ Biafra civil war of 1967 -1975 that separated families, children without fathers, uncountable widows, who benefits more besides bunch of web big-mouthed culprits, tyrants like you folks who are jobless orchestrating hatred, and woe 24/7 while seeking undue popularity on the web, advertently hidden but cowardly behind keyboards, or sometimes throw invisible punches on your faceless yahoogroup fora enemies. Now you folks probably drawn Dr. Valentine Ojo to hypertensive stage, he shows up no more on your gossip suya fora, you beginning to clamoring for his comeback, how retarded? Do we ever reset? Look back and watch Chinese or Indian Diaspora creatively adding values to their fatherland? How long do you want to remain victim of Biafra, Awolowo, Sardauna circumstances before you get it right? What does it takes? When you are six feet under? What have you individually contributed to add value or make changes to Nigeria inadequacies adding value wise? If you want to be recognized adequately, you have to develop self restraint, naked aggression or name calling is a sign of weakness and it makes you look pugnacious. Don't get me wrong though, I will not be politically correct to say the least that there is "No good discussion or moments" that sometime ensued on this forum, but one will expect it is the right atonement to follow not otherwise. When the only tool you have is hammer, every problem you encounter looks like nails. We need to deconstruct ourselves from our perverted tribal egos, or from morally emptiness, with undue conception of what is not a true sense bearer of Nigeria identity. I know many good Nigerians, ivy leaguers or non ivy leaguers, entrepreneurs in their own rights, corporate counterparts, straight intellectual shooters that work 24/7 with creative thinking looking for better ways to make landmarks in sand of time, good example will be a good friend likes of decent, Phil Emeagwali an internet guru. It takes a creative mind to develop a nation. I'm in view of our intellectual dishonesty, evidenced by our self contradiction everyday on the fora. When you wrestle with a pig, you get dirty and pig laugh back at you because he enjoy it and you dont. What makes evil men to succeed is for few good men to remain silent. when is enough, enough? Commonalities can be a big common problem if unchecked.Akin Awofolaju,PhDNew Jersey
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Look , folks, except we accept our inadequacies in leadership abilities in modern times or we believe the forgers of the highly heterogeneous foreign societies such as USA and Canada are aliens, we don’t have any excuse for not operating as one people with a common destiny who should respect each other and have regard for one another to muster the synergy to build our society and advance our people in the contemporary global village. Take care. JUI
True; true; true!
As well meaning as they might be, those amongst our educated elites who approach
each and every Nigerian cultural, social and economic issue with a skewed and myopic
'what is in it for my people only' are grossly mistaken. They have not evolved their thinking
beyond those of our ancestors of several centuries and millenia ago.
The concept of who is a stranger or and who is not a stranger in any given locale
has eveolved significantly from the time of our ancient ancestors. During their days on
this earth, the stranger was the a person from the next village which might be only two to 5 kilometres
away with whom they might have little or no contact due to poor transportation
and communication infrastructures..
With easier transportation and communication modalities today the stranger might no longer
a person from the next town or city. Our sense of commonality has broadened
to the extent that the stranger might be one who does not speak our language.
Even our ideas of what constitutes an ethnic or subethnic group has not been static
c over the past centuries or millenia. If we keep on pushing the time line backwards
we would definietely get to a point in our ethnic lineages and familiy trees from where
all or most Nigerian ethnic groups with distinct languages and or dialects diverged
from one another.
According to genealogists, geneticists and archeologists the first human beings first stepped
onto this plant about 167,000 years ago in East Africa
-from which locus our original human ancestors and their successors
have migrated to populate all the continents on planet earth.
So if we accept the fact that all human beings are genetically related i.e. that we are one family
of human beings--why do we still
hang on to this idea that our own ethnic group must be so special, because the
Amighty God created us the way we are and we have always lived in our current
locations.
The answer to the question posed by my esteemed younger brother Dr Akin Awofolaju
about who we Africans and Nigerians are so hateful can be traced to our historical and behavioral trajectory since
the time of our ancient ancestors.
The answer probably also provides the clues about why
we Africans are so distrustful of one another both on personal, societal
basis and why we are the most economically under developed
peoples in the world ranking much ower than 25th percentile on every
criterion on the human development scale.
Why are things the way they are:
There is a controversial theory from some academics that promises to shed some light regarding why
with some exceptions we Africans are who we are:
The theory:
If we take a look at the map of the world with regards to ancient human migratory patterns
we would find the following:
a) the less developed a region of the world is the more distinct languages and dialectal variations
we would find when compared to better developed areas of the world and the fewer the languages
are in any given area of the world the better developed the human beings in that region of the world are.
b) Africa has the highest concentration of languages in the world. India has a population of
over one billion, yet it has one main language--Hindi--which is spoken and understood by almost
every Indian citizen as well as few regional languages.
In contrast to India, China and almost every other European country, Nigeria with a population of
only 170 million has anywhere between 250 and 450 distinct languages many with
mutually intelligible or unintelligible dialectal variations.
c) How did this proliferation of languages occur and what as its purpose.
Why are there more branches
on the family tree of African languages than anywhere else in the world and how does
this relate to the much lower level of human development in Africa.
The answer again is not only in our genes it is also probably in our ancient history.
According to this theory are ancient ancestors had a much higher level of inter-personal and societal
mistrust
with one another when compared to the ancestors
of today's Europeans. This high level of mistrust amongst the people led to people frequently
migrating to other regions. As soon as they arrive at the new locations the migrants
slowly develop (both consciously and subconsciously)
new dialects of the original languages which are specific to and are only intelligible
exclusive to them whilst being unintelligible to those they left behind. This mistrust
was not only common amongst the migrants in their new homes, it also persisted
amongst those they left behind.
Our African ancestors could cope on their own without need much cooperation with any
other group they might consider as strangers which now include their former kins who have now
migrated to new locales. They could survive alone and provide all their needs either alone
or in small groups.
nature was very kind to our ancient ancestors just as its still much kinder
to the majority of today's Africans, with the exception of episodic famine
in some regions.
Since the land was fertile, water was close by and the weather was mild our ancient ancestors
who were mostly hunters and gatherers faced much less challenge from nature than those
of the ancient ancestors of today's Europeans who had over several millennia migrated away
to the temperate climetes where the climatic conditions were not only much more inclement
they also had to fight off into extinction the remaining few hundreds of thousands of Neanderthals
they met in these regions.
The unparalleled and onerous challenges faced by the ancient Europeans spurred the need to innovate.
They had to either innovate or die. They were forced to cooperate with one another in otherr
to increase their odds for both individual and common survival. This need for cooperation for
the sake of innovation required a level of trust that would make the exchange of ideas
much easier. In short, the ancestors of the Europeans needed to trust one another;
they had to work together--hence the need for much fewer distinct and unintelligible languages
as they need to work together in much larger groups.
Nigeria has more distinct languages and dialects than the sum of all languages and
dialects in all European countries.
This need to keep secrets persists up till today in African countries even within academia.
How did the ancient science of alchemy metamorphose into today's ever braodening pharmacopea
whilst the principles behind the 'science' of our own native medical practitioners remain largely
rudimentary and unknown? Why do most of our native healers still die and take to their graves all the wisdom
from their decades of healing fellow human beings. Beyond their meager attempts to pass on their
skills to their children and a few apprentices, the principles of their healing methods remain
largely unknown to the general public.
The contrast in Europe, even before modern science was much different, There weremuch more frequent
exchange and sharing of ideas. With modern science came, scientific conferences as well as conferences
in all disciplines of knowledge known to man.
Even today in our own academia, Professors hide the knowledge gained from their research from
their peers--because they are afraid that their colleagues might steal their ideas and publish them in a scientific
journal before they do.
As you can see from the above we are not that different from our ancient ancestors. A fruit does not fall far
from the tree that bore it.
Nigeria is about to hold a national confab in the next few months, Each ethnic and sub-ethnic group is strategizing
in secret about what to bring to the table as its demands and possible concessions without sharing
any of this information with those the other ethnic groups it would be negotiating with.
In Europe and other parts of the world there would have been be pre-conference exchange of ideas--such that by the time
the conference is inaugurated the positions from all or most quarters are farely well known--regarding what is negotiable
and what is not--which would go a long way in facilitating the conference and making it a win win win solution
for all concerned.
Solutions:
\
How do we unshackle ourselves from the chain of ethnio mistraust that has been handed over to us over the
multiple generations through the millenia.
I will provide possible solutions in the next installment!
bye,
Ola
Work beckons!
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You wrote below that humans first walked on East Africa about 167,000 years ago. I think you should check your facts again. It is more like 6 to 7 million years ago.
You also wrote that India has one language, Hindi, spoken by all Indians and a few local dialects. Olola you lied again. India has more languages than Nigeria and by the way, every Indian does not speak Hindi. In fact most Indians from the south of India do not speak Hindi.
Frankly most everything you wrote below are lies.
WS
You should be checking your facts before responding to my posts.
I always do my my homework before make any assertions
Even though the universe is at least 12 billion years old,
human beings --(Homo sapiens) are recent arrivals--on this planet--not counting our pre-human
hominid ancestors.
There were no human beings on this planet--at least according to reliable scientific evidence (including
fossil and maternal DNA studies) 200,000 years ago not to mention 2 to 7 million years ago.
I would like to reemphasize that the best evidence available for human existence on this planet is about 167,000
years ago and that dispersal of human beings out of Africa began as recently as 70,000 years ago.
If you can find evidence that there were human beings (homo sapiens) on this planet any earlier than 200,000 years ago
(to give myself some wiggle room), I owe you $1000.00. If you can not, I will expect same in the mail from in US dollars
if you are proven wrong,
One of our problems as Africans is our resistance to imbibe new knowledge.
We hold on teneciously to old ideas which either have no reliable scientific basis or those that are not corroborated
by any element of historical studies.
I know that the brains of reptilians are not that adaptable. Please give it a try! but plese give it a try.
Bye,
Your human friend Ola
i know the brain of reptilians are not that adaptable but plese give it a try.
Bye,
Your human friend Ola
Rise of Homo sapiens--from wikepedia
I did not write that India has ony one language. I wrote that India has a common language--hindi
which is spoken across the country and other regional languages. If you add all the languages
and dialects in India--the total woild nt come any where close to what we have in Nigeria.
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The best evidence for human existence on this planet is aprox. 167,000 years.
this time line does not take into account the arrival from series of evolutionary steps
of our pre-human homonid ancestors from other apes. Chimpanzees with whom
we share about 98% of our gene pool are the closest
relatives to our pre-human ancestors and ourselves.
We are indeed recent arrivals--Journey come lately to this planet--which had been
in existence for billions of years.
Please look it up!
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Ola
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Wharf snake
I would like to reemphasize that the best evidence available for human existence on this planet is about 167,000
years ago and that dispersal of human beings out of Africa began as recently as 70,000 years ago.
How long have we been here?
Genetic and fossil evidence indicates that our family tree may go back 6 or 7 million years in Africa and that our own species’ origin also lies there.
http://www.nhm.ac.uk/nature-online/life/human-origins/modern-human-evolution/when/index.html
Olola please send me the check today. I can also accept checks, bitcoin, and credit cards; please no cash.
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That we share 98% of our genes with Chimpazees is not a Theory
it ihas now become an IRREFUTABLE FACT since the completion of the Human Genome Project
(the mapping of the entire human genetic code).
At first glance the idea of 98% concurrence between the human and chimpanzee's
genetic codes might appear unbelievably too high when we compare the anatomic
differences between the two apes.
Considering that there are several billion codons in the genetic codes of each human being
and each chimpanzee--the difference of 2% is still so huge that it could account for
the differences between human and chimpanzees,
In relative terms it is not that inconceivable.
for instance if we use the figure of 10 billion codons the difference of
2% amounts to 200 million discordant or unidentical codons.
Most of these genes are what are considered currently by geneticists as "junk genes"
as scientists have not yet figured out their specific purposes. The answers to these
unknown functional purposes may take
that may take another 1000 or more years to unravel.
The early Europeans pre 16th ceentury considered Africa as the dark continent--because
they had no idea about what our ancestors were doing at the time. The fact that we do not currently
know what to make of the junk genes does not mean that they have no purpose!
Bye,
Ola
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Wharfy:
But for the mercy of the Almighty God, it wouldnt have
been possible to distinguish your thinking ability
from that of stark illiterates at the Mushin or Oshodi market.who
can function well because of their innate emotional intelligence
even they might never attended a day in school.
On my original post I wrote about (modern) human beings (aka Homo sapiens).
I also deliberatelyemphasized (to avoid any confusion) that I was referencing
the Homo sapiens not pre-human ancestors who are referred to as Hominids (human like species).
Now you have cited a Natural History Report which I am aware of that modern humans had been
around for ABOUT 200,000 years.
I also deliberately gave myself a wiggle room of up to 200,000 years (hedging my bet) just in case you might stumble
into the Natural History Report a figure that does not take into account the most recent findings
according to the scientifc literature
So which is closer to 200,00 years---your insistence that modern humans --Homo sapiens had been on planet earth
for 2 to 7 million years or my quote of 167,000 years--according to the latest research
You guys are so resistant to imbibing new knowledge I often wonder if you had all been hit on the head several times with
some of the hardened three day old foofoo balls we were forced to his with egusi soup on Wednesdays at my
highschol. However, it could also simply mean that you are all generally slow! :).
We also have in the audience many otherwise highly intelligent folks, whose
conservative religious values and their literal interpretations of the Holy Bible would never allow them to accept that human beings had been
on earth for more than 3 to 6 thousand years and that the fable about Creation in the Garden of Eden (Genesis) is nothing modern an old
Jewish folklore, which has just as little validity as the Yoruba account of Creation which finds Oduduwa reportedly descending
into the centre of Ile ife on iron chains.
I have no problem with religionists--considering that Religion requires a suspension of disbelief by even the most knowledgeable
of the believers. They are able to put aside their rational scientifically informed beliefs and disbeliefs when they enter into the relgious realm.
This bidirectional ability to compartmentalize their beliefs and beliefsmechanism is the reason many of the ancent scientists came from the church (Galileo etc) and why some of the smartest scientists in morden times are
also deeply religious.
Please forward your cheque jare.
My address will be sent to you by private mail.
Bye,
Ola
Wharf snake
onto this plant about 167,000 years ago in East Africa
-from which locus our original human ancestors and their successors
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Elombah:
It is also highly probably that you not believe in
authentic Scientific Evidence published after
rigorous peer review in some of the world's
most respected scientific journals including Nature.
The works of cosmologists are probably voodoo
to you and most others who would rather put their
faith in the whatever is written in the Holy Books
such as the Holy Bible, the Quran and the Torah.
You are not alone in that regard.
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I agree with you--the Almighty God created the universe and
all that dwelled including mankind but not necessarily in his own image
since about 12 billion years ago.
The Almighty God most probably also created the ignitor and
pushed the button that set the massive explosion we now know as the
BIG BANG in motion.
Science is mankind's attempt to understand nature and how the Almighty
designed and created the universe, Studying and trying to decipher these
processes is like working in reverse on a project we probably will never accomplish
in billion lifetimes. There in lies the nexus between science and religion.
I do not argue with hardcore creationists whom I believe are too deluded in their thinking
they would never change their minds.
However, I like exchanging idea with skeptics like yourself.
Bye,
Ola
Wharf Snake
Agwo emeghi nke o jiri buru agwo,umuaka achiri ya hie nku
Elombah Elsdan
Science and the Genesis Account
Many people claim that science disproves the Bible’s account of creation. However, the real contradiction is, not between science and the Bible, but between science and the opinions of Christian Fundamentalists. Some of these groups falsely assert that according to the Bible, all physical creation was produced in six 24-hour days approximately 10,000 years ago.
The Bible, however, does not support such a conclusion. If it did, then many scientific discoveries over the past one hundred years would indeed discredit the Bible. A careful study of the Bible text reveals no conflict with established scientific facts. For that reason, Jehovah’s Witnesses disagree with Christian Fundamentalists and many creationists. The following shows what the Bible really teaches.
When Was “the Beginning”?
The Genesis account opens with the simple, powerful statement: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1) A number of Bible scholars agree that this statement describes an action separate from the creative days recounted from verse 3 onward. The implication is profound. According to the Bible’s opening words, the universe, including our planet, Earth, was in existence for an indefinite time before the creative days began.
Geologists estimate that the earth is 4 billion years old, and astronomers calculate that the universe may be as much as 15 billion years old. Do these findings—or their potential future refinements—contradict Genesis 1:1? No. The Bible does not specify the actual age of “the heavens and the earth.” Science is not at odds with the Biblical text.
How Long Were the Creative Days?
What about the length of the creative days? Were they literally 24 hours long? Some claim that because Moses—the writer of Genesis—later referred to the day that followed the six creative days as a model for the weekly Sabbath, each of the creative days must be literally 24 hours long. (Exodus 20:11) Does the wording of Genesis support this conclusion?
No, it does not. The fact is that the Hebrew word translated “day” can mean various lengths of time, not just a 24-hour period. For example, when summarizing God’s creative work, Moses refers to all six creative days as one day. (Genesis 2:4) In addition, on the first creative day, “God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.” (Genesis 1:5) Here, only a portion of a 24-hour period is defined by the term “day.” Certainly, there is no basis in Scripture for arbitrarily stating that each creative day was 24 hours long.
How long, then, were the creative days? The Bible does not say; however, the wording ofGenesis chapters 1 and 2 indicates that considerable lengths of time were involved.
Six Creative Periods
Moses wrote his account in Hebrew, and he wrote it from the perspective of a person standing on the surface of the earth. These two facts combined with the knowledge that the universe existed before the beginning of the creative periods, or days, help to defuse much of the controversy surrounding the creation account. How so?
A careful consideration of the Genesis account reveals that events starting during one “day” continued into one or more of the following “days.” For example, before the first creative “day” started, light from the already existing sun was somehow prevented from reaching the earth’s surface, possibly by thick clouds. (Job 38:9) During the first “day,” this barrier began to clear, allowing diffused light to penetrate the atmosphere.*
On the second “day,” the atmosphere evidently continued to clear, creating a space between the thick clouds above and the ocean below. On the fourth “day,” the atmosphere gradually cleared to such an extent that the sun and the moon were made to appear “in the expanse of the heavens.” (Genesis 1:14-16) In other words, from the perspective of a person on earth, the sun and moon began to be discernible. These events happened gradually.
The Genesis account also relates that as the atmosphere continued to clear, flying creatures—including insects and membrane-winged creatures—started to appear on the fifth “day.”
The Bible’s narrative allows for the possibility that some major events during each day, or creative period, occurred gradually rather than instantly, perhaps some of them even lasting into the following creative days.*
According to Their Kinds
Does this progressive appearance of plants and animals imply that God used evolution to produce the vast diversity of living things? No. The record clearly states that God created all the basic “kinds” of plant and animal life. (Genesis 1:11, 12, 20-25) Were these original “kinds” of plants and animals programmed with the ability to adapt to changing environmental conditions? What defines the boundary of a “kind”? The Bible does not say. However, it does state that living creatures “swarmed forth according to their kinds.” (Genesis 1:21) This statement implies that there is a limit to the amount of variation that can occur within a “kind.” Both the fossil record and modern research support the idea that the fundamental categories of plants and animals have changed little over vast periods of time.
Contrary to the claims of some religious fundamentalists, Genesis does not teach that the universe, including the earth and all living things on it, was created in a short period of time in the relatively recent past. Rather, aspects of the description in Genesis of the creation of the universe and the appearance of life on earth harmonize with recent scientific discoveries.
Because of their philosophical beliefs, many scientists reject the Bible’s declaration that God created all things. Interestingly, however, in the ancient Bible book of Genesis, Moses wrote that the universe had a beginning and that life appeared in stages, progressively, over periods of time. How could Moses gain access to such scientifically accurate information some 3,500 years ago? There is one logical explanation. The One with the power and wisdom to create the heavens and the earth could certainly give Moses such advanced knowledge. This gives weight to the Bible’s claim that it is “inspired of God.”*—2 Timothy 3:16.
You may wonder, though, does it really matter whether you believe the Bible’s account of creation? Consider some compelling reasons why the answer does matter.
[Footnotes]
In the description of what happened on the first “day,” the Hebrew word used for light is ’ohr, light in a general sense, but concerning the fourth “day,” the word used isma·’ohr′, which refers to the source of light.
For example, during the sixth creative day, God decreed that humans “become many and fill the earth.” (Genesis 1:28, 31) Yet, this event did not even begin to occur until the following “day.”—Genesis 2:2.
For more information on this subject, see the brochure A Book for All People, published by Jehovah’s Witnesses.
How Would You Reply?
▪ What are some common misconceptions about the Bible’s account of creation?
▪ Why is it remarkable that the Bible and science agree on many points?
[Blurb on page 25]
Genesis does not teach that the earth and the universe were created in six 24-hour days just a few thousand years ago
[Blurb on page 26]
Events starting during one “day” continued into one or more of the following “days”
[Pictures on page 28]
Modern research confirms that all living things reproduce “according to their kinds”
[Credit Line]
Penguins: By courtesy of John R. Peiniger
[Picture Credit Line on page 24]
Nebula: IAC/RGO/David Malin Images
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Daniel:
That we share 98% of our genes with Chimpazees is not a Theory
it ihas now become an IRREFUTABLE FACT since the completion of the Human Genome Project
(the mapping of the entire human genetic code).
At first glance the idea of 98% concurrence between the human and chimpanzee's
genetic codes might appear unbelievably too high when we compare the anatomic
differences between the two apes.
Considering that there are several billion codons in the genetic codes of each human being
and each chimpanzee--the difference of 2% is still so huge that it could account for
the differences between human and chimpanzees,
In relative terms it is not that inconceivable.
for instance if we use the figure of 10 billion codons the difference of
2% amounts to 200 million discordant or unidentical codons.
Most of these genes are what are considered currently by geneticists as "junk genes"
as scientists have not yet figured out their specific purposes. The answers to these
unknown functional purposes may take
that may take another 1000 or more years to unravel.
The early Europeans pre 16th ceentury considered Africa as the dark continent--because
they had no idea about what our ancestors were doing at the time. The fact that we do not currently
know what to make of the junk genes does not mean that they have no purpose!
Bye,
Ola
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