Infographics don't get much more clear than this

[Craig Good]

Vaccines save lives.

[David Fetter]

On Sat, Apr 30, 2016 at 08:25:35PM -0700, Craig Good wrote:
> Vaccines save lives
> <http://iboostimmunity.com/articles/line-proves-vaccines-save-lives>.

It really couldn't be clearer. There are people like my father, whose
immune system is compromised by chemotherapy, and my youngest son,
who's not old enough to have all his vaccinations yet, whom herd
immunity protects.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that on schedule
vaccination needs to be mandatory and done by force if needed if you
don't have an actual medical condition (see above for two examples)
that makes it more dangerous for you to get it than not.

Religious liberty has a finite extent. If you're a founding member of
the Church of Typhoid Mary, or similar crap by Andrew Wakefield et al,
your kooky beliefs do not give you a license to help cause a plague.

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David.
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[Craig Good]

> On May 1, 2016, at 09:17 AM, David Fetter <da...@fetter.org> wrote:
>
> I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that on schedule
> vaccination needs to be mandatory and done by force if needed if you
> don't have an actual medical condition (see above for two examples)
> that makes it more dangerous for you to get it than not.

At very least the only exemption allowed needs to be a medical one. This is an area where personal preference or religion should hold no weight.



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[Brian Howell]

Thanks for posting this, Craig. It's outstanding.

I think copies of it should be handed to everyone who goes to see Vaxxed, Andrew Wakefield's recent film: http://deadline.com/2016/03/robert-de-niro-vaxxed-tribeca-film-festival-statement-1201726799/.

Feature film rights to Wakefield's recent book, Callous Disregard (now there's an ironic title; forward by Jenny McCarthy), and his life story have recently been acquired: http://deadline.com/2016/04/autism-vaccine-movie-dr-andrew-wakefield-1201745354/. The producers are Terry Rossio and Dr. Jocelyn Stamat. Stomata is a screenwriter and director, and also a practicing otolaryngologist. She is a Harvard graduate and a graduate of Duke University School of Medicine. Rossi said of Wakefield, "Dr. Wakefield is clearly a polarizing figure, reviled by the general public yet also revered by many. The details and drama surrounding his life are even more remarkable than generally known."

[Craig Good]

> On May 2, 2016, at 11:42 AM, Brian Howell <bdho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The producers are Terry Rossio and Dr. Jocelyn Stamat. Stomata (sic - thanks, autocorrect!) is a screenwriter and director, and also a practicing otolaryngologist. She is a Harvard graduate and a graduate of Duke University School of Medicine. Rossi said of Wakefield, "Dr. Wakefield is clearly a polarizing figure, reviled by the general public yet also revered by many. The details and drama surrounding his life are even more remarkable than generally known."


Rossio has a lot of clout. He was cowriter of Pirates of the Caribbean. I hope he doesn’t turn it into a hagiography. Wakefield is one of the most abhorrent, despicable people on the planet. And that’s not ad hom when talking about someone who has caused the death of so many children, and who abused children in his so-called “study”.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0744429/?ref_=fn_al_nm_1

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[Brian Howell]

No, it's certainly not ad hom. It's accurate. Indeed, I'd call it an understatement. 

[Brian Howell]

It's the second chart on the page that most deeply affects me. 

When I was young, there was a boy who lived across the street. His name was John. He was about four years older than me. And he was ostracized by the other children in the neighborhood because he couldn't run around and play like the rest of us. (I didn't ostracize him. I'm very sure I was the first neighborhood kid to ever see his room.) 

The other kids  thought John was weird and called him names. Because he walked slowly, with crutches. John did so because he'd contracted polio as an infant. Born in 1957, he'd been a victim on the tail end of the polio epidemic that began around 1945 and was ended by mass vaccinations beginning in 1955. And he wasn't the only afflicted kid in the neighborhood. 

I also remember seeing iron lungs in a hospital ward. 

Even at a very early age, I felt damn lucky that I was born after the creation of the polio vaccines, because it was clear how terrible was the disease.

Andrew Wakefield should be tried for crimes against humanity.

[David Fetter]

On Mon, May 02, 2016 at 06:44:03PM -0700, Brian David Howell wrote:
> No, it's certainly not *ad hom. *It's accurate. Indeed, I'd call it an
> understatement.

There's a lot of confusion about /ad hominem/. "He's wrong because
he's an asshole" is an /ad hominem/. "He's an asshole because he's
wrong in avoidable ways that hurt people," is not.

[Craig Good]

> On May 2, 2016, at 18:58 PM, Brian Howell <bdho...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Andrew Wakefield should be tried for crimes against humanity.
>

No objection here.


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[Craig Good]

> On May 2, 2016, at 19:00 PM, David Fetter <da...@fetter.org> wrote:
>
> There's a lot of confusion about /ad hominem/. "He's wrong because
> he's an asshole" is an /ad hominem/. "He's an asshole because he's
> wrong in avoidable ways that hurt people," is not.

Roger that. I was mostly riffing on Ipse Dixit’s most famous prohibition.

[jack saunders]

And "he's wrong, and here's my proof" is never ad hominem....and greatly preferred.

 

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