Content & Shows
naxxfish
What do we want to broadcast?
- Recorded talks
- Live talks?
- Interviews
- Discussion & talk shows
- Music (from real live musicians and/or DJs?)
Is there anyone who is willing to head up content or at least approach people who might be interested in contributing? Also, we will need a good archive of pre-recorded material ready to broadcast - preferably edited to fit into nice time slots. Anyone interested in putting together this collection, and approaching people for permission to use the recordings if required.
Koen Martens
Short intro: i'm gmc, been involved with HAR2009 and doing radio on
Signal, hackerspace radio (http://signal.hackerspaces.org/) for a while
now, we also had a studio at the last cccamp and cccongres.
I have a show tonight at 22:00 CEST btw :)
Interested in helping out doing radio at EMF camp. I don't know if you
already have gear, but I can bring my stuff (about 15 to 20 mics,
mixing desk w/ usb soundcard built-in, streaming laptop, compressor/limiters,
some more mixing desks, cables, microphone stands, DECT to mic/headphone set,
and some more stuff).
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 04:16:48AM -0700, naxxfish wrote:
> Right, lets get this one rolling. Regardless of how we broadcast, we need
> to start thinking about how we're going to organise content, and what sort
> of content we're going to have. I've put a bit up on the wiki page about
> general ideas, but it does really need to be discussed so that we're in
> some kind of agreement and have something to work on.
> What do we want to broadcast?
>
> - Recorded talks
> - Live talks?
> - Interviews
> - Discussion & talk shows
> - Music (from real live musicians and/or DJs?)
I don't know if doing talks live is that interesting for a radio-show
format. Better is to pick the interesting talks and get the speakers to
appear in the studio for a more interactive item about the subject.
Interviews, discussion&talk shows and music all are fine. What we usually
do is just open up the schedule for anyone who wants to make radio, but
have a core team that makes sure there is some relevant content pertaining
the conference and talks themselves. But along with that is a lot of
fun and bs radio :)
> Is there anyone who is willing to head up content or at least approach
> people who might be interested in contributing?
> Also, we will need a good archive of pre-recorded material ready to
> broadcast - preferably edited to fit into nice time slots. Anyone
> interested in putting together this collection, and approaching people for
> permission to use the recordings if required.
All of the material on http://signal.hackerspaces.org/archive/ is free
for rebroadcasting.
What kind of pre-recorded material are you looking for explicitly? Worst
case, you can pop on some auto-dj that plays music during the night hours.
- gmc
Chris Roberts
Awesome stuff!
On 12 April 2012 12:32, Koen Martens <g...@sonologic.nl> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know if doing talks live is that interesting for a radio-show
> format. Better is to pick the interesting talks and get the speakers to
> appear in the studio for a more interactive item about the subject.
I also has similar misgivings about doing live talks. However, it'd
be quite nice to be able to record clips from talks occasionally
should they be particularly noteworthy. It depends rather on the AV
setup for the conference - if speakers are being miced up then it's
easy - otherwise might not be worth the bother.
>
> Interviews, discussion&talk shows and music all are fine. What we usually
> do is just open up the schedule for anyone who wants to make radio, but
> have a core team that makes sure there is some relevant content pertaining
> the conference and talks themselves. But along with that is a lot of
> fun and bs radio :)
That sounds like a good idea - I guess the actual scheduling will need
to be done closer to the camp (like, when we've got a running order).
>
> All of the material on http://signal.hackerspaces.org/archive/ is free
> for rebroadcasting.
>
> What kind of pre-recorded material are you looking for explicitly? Worst
> case, you can pop on some auto-dj that plays music during the night hours.
That link is awesome. The only thing we may need to look out for is
swears/"inappropriate" content if we do get the RSL.
I was thinking an auto box with a few relevant podcasts/CC DJ sets
would do the job for overnights. Unless we have some night owls that
fancy doing live shows (not out of the question). I don't have any
more specific suggestions right now - just that we will want some
material. It might also be good to have pre-recorded shows made
specifically for the event, that we can broadcast perhaps when there's
a gap in the schedule (e.g. when everyone is going to a really big
talk or something like that).
Chris Roberts
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Charles Yarnold
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Charles Yarnold
Paul Dart
> out the Ofcom RSL license application, with the aim to be ready to file it
> as soon as ticket pre-sales start (as it costs money to file, let alone
> actually pay for the license).
Just to let you know ticket sales aren't likely to be for a month or so.
At the moment there is no specific budget for FM radio. Obviously it
would be nice to pay for loads of extras and shiny, but we are
focussing on the essentials at the moment. Once we have these sorted
there *might* be some spare, but don't hold your breath.
It might be worth looking into sponsorship for this? I imagine that
this is quite a good target for it as you could sell advertising.
Infact could it be totally self funded?
Anyway just a heads up, no guarantees of money yet. Hopefully though
:) I just don't want you to waste a lot of time on the assumption you
had a £5000 budget or anything.
On the talks front: There will be a PA/AV setup so everyone can hear
the talks in the tents. I imagine you could take a feed off that. The
details of this haven't been decided yet.
As I'm here details on power usage for your studio might be useful for
the power team.
TL;DR: Don't rely on money from the organisation if at all possible,
but you never know.
Cheers and good luck!
Paul
Koen Martens
> It might be worth looking into sponsorship for this? I imagine that
> this is quite a good target for it as you could sell advertising.
> Infact could it be totally self funded?
I doubt it, because then you are doing commercial radio. Again not well versed on
UK law regarding this issue, but commercial radio is a whole different ball-park,
license-wise, in nl and de.
> As I'm here details on power usage for your studio might be useful for
> the power team.
Neglible mostly. The audio gear doesn't consume much, we've always been able to
run it of a single 16A group, although preferably there are 2 -> one for studio
equipment and one for everything else (lights etc..).
- gmc
Koen Martens
> On 12 April 2012 12:32, Koen Martens <g...@sonologic.nl> wrote:
> > I don't know if doing talks live is that interesting for a radio-show
> > format. Better is to pick the interesting talks and get the speakers to
> > appear in the studio for a more interactive item about the subject.
>
> I also has similar misgivings about doing live talks. However, it'd
> be quite nice to be able to record clips from talks occasionally
> should they be particularly noteworthy. It depends rather on the AV
> setup for the conference - if speakers are being miced up then it's
> easy - otherwise might not be worth the bother.
If it's a really interesting talk, a mobile recorder might get you some
good results, if strategically placed.
> > Interviews, discussion&talk shows and music all are fine. What we usually
> > do is just open up the schedule for anyone who wants to make radio, but
> > have a core team that makes sure there is some relevant content pertaining
> > the conference and talks themselves. But along with that is a lot of
> > fun and bs radio :)
>
> That sounds like a good idea - I guess the actual scheduling will need
> to be done closer to the camp (like, when we've got a running order).
Well, its good to pick some of the prime-time slots beforehand for content
bringing news from the conference. At some of the bigger camps we even had
hourly 5-minute news-bulletins and all. But that's a lot of work, requires
a good team of nosy people :)
> That link is awesome. The only thing we may need to look out for is
> swears/"inappropriate" content if we do get the RSL.
:)
- gmc
Chris Roberts
Hey Paul,
My reasoning for waiting for ticket sales was based on the fact that in order to make the application for a license, we need some guaranteed money. It's one of the few things we can't have donated. If there is no budget for it, unless we take donations ourselves directly before ticket sales, the application won't be accepted (part of it involves financial stability).
It's not a huge deal if we don't get the FM license - we can still operate online only if we don't get it ... And by the looks of it without spending anything.
As for commercials, I did some back of envelope (well, Google docs spreadsheet) calculations as to how viable ads would be. Incidentally, you can run ads with a RSL license, as long as they are clearly marked ("and now for a word from our sponsors ..." Type thing).
We could cover our costs, as long as we got at least two major sponsors (with ad space every hour our two) and another 4 minor sponsors (with space every 4 hours). We would need two ad breaks an hour to achive this, of one minute each (two 30 secs spots). This would equate to 3% ads.
Each sponsor would be charged for their air time, as well as production costs for the actual spots themselves (we would need to arrange this to make sure they only use cc music (commercial okay), sound effects etc). Air time is balanced based on prime times.
Three problem is running ads is risky. If we have some catastrophic failure, and don't run ads for an hour, we will lose money. The license fee will need to be paid in advance, so there is the risk a won't make enough to cover it if we don't perform as well over the weekend.
Add to this whether we think that adverts will be appropriate for our content ...
tl;dr we could try to be self funded, but it could easily end in tears if we're not careful.
Koen Martens
> My reasoning for waiting for ticket sales was based on the fact that in
> order to make the application for a license, we need some guaranteed money.
> It's one of the few things we can't have donated. If there is no budget for
> it, unless we take donations ourselves directly before ticket sales, the
> application won't be accepted (part of it involves financial stability).
What amount of money are we looking at anyway?
- gmc
Chris Roberts
Typical numbers are £400 to make the application to Ofcom, plus £70 per day. Though the daily rate is subject to each application, so that's only a rough estimate.
If we can somehow raise this ourselves, then cool. But I know I can't contribute much financially.
Chris Roberts
oh and add to that, another £300 for a FM transmitter rig (with everything from the processor to the antenna) for 2 weeks. I'd strongly recommend getting a kit like this as it will definitely improve our chances of being granted a license.
The application fee is non refundable by the way. !
Koen Martens
> Typical numbers are �400 to make the application to Ofcom, plus �70 per
> day. Though the daily rate is subject to each application, so that's only a
> rough estimate.
>
> If we can somehow raise this ourselves, then cool. But I know I can't
> contribute much financially.
Neither can I at the moment .. But, it doesn't seem like a whole lot of money,
so perhaps we can find a sponsor? It seems to me as well, that the current
goal for sponsorship for the whole camp (2000 pound if i read correctly) is
not that high and easily obtained. I'm used to having the license paid from
the conference budget itself, instead of having to find sponsorship independently
of the camp itself (which seems silly because we'd both be fishing in the same
pond of potential sponsors).
- gmc
Koen Martens
> from the processor to the antenna) for 2 weeks. I'd strongly recommend
> getting a kit like this as it will definitely improve our chances of being
> granted a license.
Allright.. We've always been using transmitters that could be sourced from the
community, and never had any trouble getting a license that way.
> The application fee is non refundable by the way. !
Obviously :)
Chris Roberts
here - as we have something to offer the main event sponsors as well
(potential advert air time, etc), so it's in everyone's interest to do
so where possible. We may have a few sponsors we can approach for our
specific project that may not want to sponsor the entire event, so
we'll need to make sure everyone is aware of who is approaching who in
line with the rest of the event.
On 16 April 2012 16:30, Koen Martens <g...@sonologic.nl> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 06:39:17PM +0100, Chris Roberts wrote:
>> oh and add to that, another £300 for a FM transmitter rig (with everything
>> from the processor to the antenna) for 2 weeks. I'd strongly recommend
>> getting a kit like this as it will definitely improve our chances of being
>> granted a license.
>
> Allright.. We've always been using transmitters that could be sourced from the
> community, and never had any trouble getting a license that way.
The only thing I'd say is having applied for a community radio license
before, they did stipulate we did need a FM processor of some sort to
guard against overmodulating ( the transmitter will have a hard
limiter in there, but it's an extra later of assurance). They gave us
a list of recommended processors, but pretty much anything that will
do a hard limit is fine. When they came out to commission us they did
test our air chain from end to end to check for that. Clearly, they
don't do the whole commissioning thing for every RSL but I think it'd
be prudent to show we're thinking about it at least!