[INTRO] File Save and Backup AddOn for FireFox 57++

[PMario]

Hi folks,

I want to introduce the V0.1.1 - beta version of my approach to create a TiddlyFox replacement. The plugin is named: "file-backups"

At the moment it only deals with TiddlyWiki5 file:/// based wikis and FireFox 56++  ... I did test it with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 17.10

It should work with FF 56, 57, 58-beta. ...

How it works: ... IMO 1 image is worth a 1000 words. So have a look at 1000+ images ;) Watch the Video!

Download and Install from: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups#installation

The backup algorithm is described here: https://pmario.github.io/file-backups/ and in the video

Please click the STAR BUTTON at the repo.

Issues can be reported here in the group and : https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/issues

pull requests: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/pulls

Version Overview

- next post :)

What's next: 

 - Move it to official Mozilla Store ... to get auto updates going.
 - Save special "tagged" versions (outside the backup rotation) ... github PR work in progress.

 - Chrome support (low on my list)

Done:

 - TiddlyWiki Classic support ... detection is already there.
 - Better Video

 - Improved Workflow

 - Improve visual feedback ... So the user knows what's going on.
 - Reviewing the video imo showed me how :)
 - Fix auto-open issue for ubuntu

have fun!
mario
PS - If you like it: Support it :)

[PMario]

Overview

See: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

V 0.3.1 .. 2017.12.11

• Make TWclassic work again
  

V 0.3.0 .. 2017.12.11

• Detects, if a file TW is opened in 2 tabs OR 2 windows.
  • Shows a warning banner, that will be closed if clicked
  • Ignoring the warning may lead to data loss!!
• Files changed from outside download dir, directly open the save dialog.
  • ubuntu version now shows "open in new tab dialog" if needed.
• The AddOn uses less permissions now.
  • It needs to be able to manipulate
    • browser tabs
    • local storage ... to save settings and backup-counter
    • downloads area ... to be able to do its work :)
    • activeTabs ... To create the "backup / download" icon
• This version is marked as "release"

V 0.2.1 beta .. 2017.11.20

• Completely restructued the code
  
• Improved workflow.
  • No 2 click saves for download subdirectory anymore
• Files from outside download dir, directly open the save dialog.

• There is also a New Video: https://youtu.be/KVLtID8nElU

V 0.1.2 beta .. 2017.11.18

• TiddlyWiki Classic is supported now.
• "savetiddlers" is detected. ATM "There can be only one" ;)

V 0.1.1 .. initial release - beta

[TonyM]

Mario,

It looks very smart, and a video really works. Thanks

I will experiment and test soon.

Tony

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 6:47:58 AM UTC+11, PMario wrote:

Hi folks,

I want to introduce the V0.1.1 - beta version of my approach to create a TiddlyFox replacement. The plugin is named: "file-backups"

At the moment it only deals with TiddlyWiki5 file:/// based wikis and FireFox 56++  ... I did test it with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 17.10

It should work with FF 56, 57, 58-beta. ...

How it works: ... IMO 1 image is worth a 1000 words. So have a look at 1000+ images ;) https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c

Download and Install from: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups#installation

The backup algorithm is described here: https://pmario.github.io/file-backups/ and in the video

Issues can be reported here in the group and : https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/issues

pull requests: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/pulls

What's next:

 - Improve visual feedback ... So the user knows what's going on.
    - Reviewing the video imo showed me how :)
 - Fix auto-open issue for ubuntu

 - TiddlyWiki Classic support ... detection is already there.

 - Save special "tagged" versions (outside the backup rotation) ... github PR work in progress.
 - Chrome support (low on my list)

[Jeremy Ruston]

Hi Mario

Congratulations, great to have another choice. The backup strategy is particularly interesting. Please do send a PR for adding it to tw5.com,

Best wishes

Jeremy

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Jeremy Ruston

jer...@jermolene.com

https://jermolene.com

On 14 Nov 2017, at 19:47, PMario <pmar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

I want to introduce the V0.1.1 - beta version of my approach to create a TiddlyFox replacement. The plugin is named: "file-backups"

At the moment it only deals with TiddlyWiki5 file:/// based wikis and FireFox 56++  ... I did test it with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 17.10

It should work with FF 56, 57, 58-beta. ...

How it works: ... IMO 1 image is worth a 1000 words. So have a look at 1000+ images ;) https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c

Download and Install from: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups#installation

The backup algorithm is described here: https://pmario.github.io/file-backups/ and in the video

Issues can be reported here in the group and : https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/issues

pull requests: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/pulls

What's next:

 - Improve visual feedback ... So the user knows what's going on.
    - Reviewing the video imo showed me how :)
 - Fix auto-open issue for ubuntu

 - TiddlyWiki Classic support ... detection is already there.

 - Save special "tagged" versions (outside the backup rotation) ... github PR work in progress.
 - Chrome support (low on my list)

have fun!
mario
PS - If you like it: Support it :)

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[@TiddlyTweeter]

Using that TOWER OF HANOI schedule is a brilliant approach!

Best wishes
Josiah

[Alfonso Arciniega]

Thank you very much, Mario,

Tested FF 57.0 on Windows 10. No issues.

The next step is installing DSynchronize from: https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/dsynchronize_portable

then set up an automatic synchronization with my favourite cloud service directory, and lastly do the same at my other PC devices.

Best regards,

Alfonso

[PMario]

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:23:18 PM UTC+1, TonyM wrote:

It looks very smart, and a video really works. Thanks

thx. The video isn't very polished. ... It's the only recording, because I wanted to get the stuff out :). ... Once the plugin functionsare settled, I'll create a propper one.

 

I will experiment and test soon.

Feedback is very welcome!

Here or in the group

-mario

[PMario]

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:37:53 PM UTC+1, Jeremy Ruston wrote:

Congratulations, great to have another choice.

Thx. I did think so too.

 

The backup strategy is particularly interesting.

Yea. I want to have decent recovery possibilities, with as less files as possible. ... The only issue I see, is at the very beginning, during content creation, when there are many saves. .. And may be again, when heavy refactoring is going on.

That's why I want to have a possibility to create something like "tagged" versions. So if a wiki hits a "milestone" a tag can be created, that is outside of the backup wheel.

 

Please do send a PR for adding it to tw5.com,

Will do

-m

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 3:27:34 AM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:

Thank you very much, Mario,

You are welcome :)

Tested FF 57.0 on Windows 10. No issues.

nice. Pleas let me know, about the workflow. ... I'll try to improve the "visual feedback". So the user knows, what's going on. ..

 

The next step is installing DSynchronize from: https://portableapps.com/apps/utilities/dsynchronize_portable

then set up an automatic synchronization with my favourite cloud service directory, and lastly do the same at my other PC devices.

Let us know, how it works out. ... Would be interesting.

-m

[Mark S.]

You need a catchier name. Like HanoiSaver or  57Savers, or Save-n-back, or FoxySave -- something to make it easy to remember, find, and search for.

Have fun,
Mark

On Tuesday, November 14, 2017 at 11:47:58 AM UTC-8, PMario wrote:

Hi folks,

I want to introduce the V0.1.1 - beta version of my approach to create a TiddlyFox replacement. The plugin is named: "file-backups"

At the moment it only deals with TiddlyWiki5 file:/// based wikis and FireFox 56++  ... I did test it with Windows 10 and Ubuntu 17.10

It should work with FF 56, 57, 58-beta. ...

How it works: ... IMO 1 image is worth a 1000 words. So have a look at 1000+ images ;) https://youtu.be/dt-nH9jSQ6c

Download and Install from: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups#installation

The backup algorithm is described here: https://pmario.github.io/file-backups/ and in the video

Issues can be reported here in the group and : https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/issues

pull requests: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/pulls

What's next:

 - Improve visual feedback ... So the user knows what's going on.
    - Reviewing the video imo showed me how :)
 - Fix auto-open issue for ubuntu

 - TiddlyWiki Classic support ... detection is already there.

 - Save special "tagged" versions (outside the backup rotation) ... github PR work in progress.
 - Chrome support (low on my list)

[Zyb]

Mario,

Thanks a lot! Tested it on Win 7 64 Bit, FF 57. Saving and backups work ONLY if the FF download folder is set to the Windows download folder. If this is not the case, i.e. in the FF options a custom folder is set for downloads, only the very first save (after the "save again!" notice) works, but no later saves and no backups. The temp(x).html is saved to the custom folder.

I could have accepted moving all my TWs into the Windows download folder, but I rely on a custom folder for FF downloads because in my job I handle dozens of files everyday from various sources which I aggregate in one folder and then sort to where I need them. So if the download destination is not customizable for your Addon to work, it makes it effectively unusable for me, unfortunately.

Hope there is a way! :)

Zyb

[Mark S.]

By customizable, do you mean the setting where you get asked each time where to save, or do you mean a non-standard download location (that gets used for every save?)

-- Mark

[Zyb]

Mark,

The latter: a non-standard download location.

[Zyb]

Wait, I think I made a mistake -- the whole thing seems to be simpler than I thought.

From Mario’s description I thought FF only allows saves in the _Windows_ download folder, but it allows saves in the _Firefox_ download folder; it’s just that in Mario’s video he incidentally uses the standard Windows download folder. So I opened my test TW from the Windows download folder, expecting that all saves would automatically go there (that’s how I understood Marios addon to work). But I didn’t check my non-standard Firefox download folder properly -- it seems that all the saves after the first one (I still don’t understand this part) were saved to that non-standard folder. Then I fiddled with the settings and got confused.

Anyway, everything seems to work when the TWs are opened from the folder that, in the Firefox settings, is specified as download folder -- standard or non-standard doesn’t matter. Sorry for the confucion, I’m happy ... I think. ;)

Zyb

[Mark S.]

If I understand correctly, then the solution is to add a windows junction in your FF downloads directory to wherever the files live. Then you have to use the correct path in your browser so that the browser doesn't know you've broken out of it's sandbox.

So, for instance, if your FF directory was:

c:\temp\FFfiles

and your tw files actually lived in

c:\data\tw5

then you would open a command shell and go into c:\temp\FFfiles and perhaps type:

mklink /J tw5 c:\data\tw5

Then to access empty.html, in your browser you would navigate to:

file:///c:/temp/FFfiles/tw5/empty.html

It may take 2 saves the first time you access this way (apparently the browser sees each full path as a new event, even if 2 paths lead to the same file).

Be sure to make backups, in case I have something wrong here.

Good luck!

Mark

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 8:22:14 PM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:

Thanks a lot! Tested it on Win 7 64 Bit, FF 57. Saving and backups work ONLY if the FF download folder is set to the Windows download folder. If this is not the case, i.e. in the FF options a custom folder is set for downloads, only the very first save (after the "save again!" notice) works, but no later saves and no backups. The temp(x).html is saved to the custom folder.

This seems to be a bug. ... I'll have a closer look. I actually forgot to test that usecase. ..

 

-m

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 9:26:55 PM UTC+1, Zyb wrote:

Anyway, everything seems to work when the TWs are opened from the folder that, in the Firefox settings, is specified as download folder -- standard or non-standard doesn’t matter. Sorry for the confucion, I’m happy ... I think. ;)

Ahh, You are right, the video may be confusing in this regard. ... I will make it clear in the final version.

It is the FireFox downloads folder, that will be tested by the temp(x).html file. ...

Unfortunately there is no other way in the AddOn API, that lets me check the FF download folder setting. ...

At least I don't know one. So if anybody has a better info, please let me know.

I did test the FF download folder setting, and it seems to work.

-m

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 15, 2017 at 7:09:03 PM UTC+1, Mark S. wrote:

You need a catchier name. Like HanoiSaver or  57Savers, or Save-n-back, or FoxySave -- something to make it easy to remember, find, and search for.

HanoiSaver ... I don't need to save Hanoi. I'm sure they can take care for them selfs :)

But you are right. I'll consider a different one for the final V1.0.0 version
-m

[PMario]

Hi Mark
thx for this info. I'll need to test it. ...
-mario

[PMario]

Hi mark,

This info works very well. I'll include it in the addOn docs.

The important thing is that the "mklink" command is only available with cmd.exe ... powershell doesn't know it, or it may be a different one.

have fun!
mario

[Alfonso Arciniega]

DSynchronize works pretty good for me. I am synchronizing the Downloads/MyWikis directory with the Dropbox/Apps/Quine directory so I may work on my iPhone/iPad anytime, anywhere.

The interface is fine. What does the "Open Dashboard" do? It does nothing to me when I click it.

Alfonso

[PMario]

On Friday, November 17, 2017 at 8:16:23 PM UTC+1, Alfonso Arciniega wrote:

DSynchronize works pretty good for me. I am synchronizing the Downloads/MyWikis directory with the Dropbox/Apps/Quine directory so I may work on my iPhone/iPad anytime, anywhere.

The interface is fine. What does the "Open Dashboard" do? It does nothing to me when I click it.

It once was needed. But I don't have a Dashboard anymore. I'll probably remove it with a "Visit the Homepage" or something like this :)

-m

[Furicle]

mklink is internal to cmd apparently - see https://learn-powershell.net/2013/07/16/creating-a-symbolic-link-using-powershell/

Use

cmd.exe /c mklink.exe

[Mark S.]

Or just open up a command shell terminal.

[PMario]

Hi Folks,

Just released a new version: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases  with:

• TiddlyWiki Classic is supported now.
• "savetiddlers" is detected. ATM "There can be only one" ;)

have fun!

mario

[Furicle]

Thanks Mario
Working with limited testing on my TW Classic and Firefox 56.02 (64 bit)

I have a couple of ideas for improvement I'll add to github, not sure how practical they are.

[PMario]

On Saturday, November 18, 2017 at 3:37:53 PM UTC+1, Furicle wrote:

Thanks Mario
Working with limited testing on my TW Classic and Firefox 56.02 (64 bit)

I have a couple of ideas for improvement I'll add to github, not sure how practical they are.

Feedback is allways welcome!

-m

[PMario]

Hi foks,

First off all I have to say thank you to my first Contributor : furicle, who improved the Readme.md !

I did just push the latest version of the File-Backups AddOn for FireFox 57+ ...

What's New:

• Completely restructued the code
• Improved workflow.
  • No 2 click saves for download subdirectory anymore
• Files from outside download dir, directly open the save dialog.

Release Notes: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

There is also a New Video: https://youtu.be/KVLtID8nElU

have fun!
mario

[Jim McD]

Thanks for this.  Version 0.2.1 tested and working on Windows 8.1 Pro, FF 57, Classic Tiddlywiki.

[PMario]

On Monday, November 20, 2017 at 5:04:36 PM UTC+1, Jim McD wrote:

Thanks for this.  Version 0.2.1 tested and working on Windows 8.1 Pro, FF 57, Classic Tiddlywiki.

thx for the info.

-m

[Thomas Elmiger]

Thank you very much, Mario!

Runs without problems on my
* Mac OSX 10.13 with FF Developer Edition Version 57.0b10
* Win 10 Pro with FF 57 (auto-updated by FF yesterday)

It seems this is a great replacement for TiddlyFox, with added value using the backup feature! I did set it to 11 files like suggested and we'll see how far I get with that.
Great instructions too with the video.

All the best!
Thomas

[PMario]

On Tuesday, November 21, 2017 at 11:06:00 PM UTC+1, Thomas Elmiger wrote:

Thank you very much, Mario!

You are welcome!

 

Runs without problems on my
* Mac OSX 10.13 with FF Developer Edition Version 57.0b10
* Win 10 Pro with FF 57 (auto-updated by FF yesterday)

good

 

It seems this is a great replacement for TiddlyFox, with added value using the backup feature! I did set it to 11 files like suggested and we'll see how far I get with that.

:) ... 11 files is just an example, that it would be difficult to overwrite the last file within one day. ... I personally want to have not more than 5 or 6 files. ...

Once we improved TWs support for the new savers, we will have the possibility to create "out of order" backups. ... I want to have something like "tagged backups"

eg: If I reach a certain milestone I tag it v0.1.0, v0.1.1. ... and so on. So the backup rotation is just there, if I want to undo certain things. And the tagged version won't be overwritten by the addon. ...

 

When this feature is implemented, I would consider it "feature complete" for my own usecases. I will try to register it in AddOn store, for Mozilla's review. ... AddOns from the store are auto-updated, and we'll get a better overview about the number of users, really using it.

Great instructions too with the video.

Yea, I think, at the moment it needs a bit of explanation. ...

Don't forget to "star" the repo and like the videos :)

have fun!
mario

[FrD]

Hi PMario,

I'm using your plugin on a PC  with windows 10, firefox 57. I've got some TWs on Dropbox and others on the hard drive.
Works like a charm !
Thanks a lot !!!

FrD

[PMario]

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 10:34:58 PM UTC+1, FrD wrote:

I'm using your plugin on a PC  with windows 10, firefox 57. I've got some TWs on Dropbox and others on the hard drive.
Works like a charm !
Thanks a lot !!!

You are welcome :)

So I'll fix some edge cases and request a review for the Mozilla AddOn site.

-m

[PMario]

Hi folks,

I did just release V0.3.0, which I did mark as release.

Details can be found here: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

What's New:

• Detects, if a file TW is opened in 2 tabs OR 2 windows.
  • Shows a warning banner, that will be closed if clicked
  • Ignoring the warning may lead to data loss!!
• Files changed from outside download dir, directly open the save dialog.
  • ubuntu version now shows "open in new tab dialog" if needed.
• The AddOn uses less permissions now.
  • It needs to be able to manipulate
    • browser tabs
    • local storage ... to save settings and backup-counter
    • downloads area ... to be able to do its work :)
    • activeTabs ... To create the "backup / download" icon
• This version is marked as "release"

Feedback is very welcome!

have fun!

mario

[PMario]

Uuups, ... Don't use it with TWclassic! ... I did just test it and it seems I did introduce a bug.
Fix will follow shortly.
sry
-m

[PMario]

I did just release V0.3.1, which should work with TWclassic again.

Details can be found here: https://github.com/pmario/file-backups/releases

-m

[coda coder]

Hi Mario

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 6:12:28 AM UTC-6, PMario wrote:

Hi folks,

I did just release V0.3.0, which I did mark as release.

 

Detects, if a file TW is opened in 2 tabs OR 2 windows.

Does it work if the TW is loaded into two different Firefox windows each of which use two different Firefox profiles?

 

[PMario]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 3:04:57 PM UTC+1, coda coder wrote:

Does it work if the TW is loaded into two different Firefox windows each of which use two different Firefox profiles?

I didn't test this usecase. ... I don't use different profiles atm. I don't even know how to do it. .. you could tell me :)

-m

[coda coder]

No.  It's a secret.  ;)

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles

[PMario]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 4:40:06 PM UTC+1, coda coder wrote:

No.  It's a secret.  ;)

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/profile-manager-create-and-remove-firefox-profiles

Ah, I saw this one already. ... If you start FF57 and FF58 beta there is no detecion. ... I did test this ... FF57 default and FF57 test -no-remote have no connection. So no detection here.

Is there a different possibility, to start FF57 with 2 profiles at the same time?

-m

[coda coder]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 11:27:09 AM UTC-6, PMario wrote:

Is there a different possibility, to start FF57 with 2 profiles at the same time?

Yes, absolutely.  I use MANY profiles.  I just did a quick scan of that document I linked for you and it appears it does not cover everything (again, at a quick scan).  So, the missing info is:

You need to create a shortcut to the firefox.exe and add a switch to access the profile you want -- e.g. for my setup, I have a profile called wikis:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -no-remote -P wikis

Quote: When Firefox is running and you try to open another Firefox process, a new window is opened instead, in the already running process. You can use the -no-remote command line option to start a new Firefox process that is invisible to the first process. [1] By using -no-remote along with the -P option to select a different profile, you can open multiple instances of Firefox at the same time, using separate profiles. [2] Selecting a different profile from the one used in the first process is necessary because profiles are "locked" when in use.

More here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Opening_a_new_instance_of_Firefox_with_another_profile

Coda

[@TiddlyTweeter]

I'm glad to hear that multiple profiles are doable in the latest Firefox. Though reads a bit cumbersome.

I'm still currently on ESR 52 and can launch profiles from within Firefox that spawns separate processes ... I hope that approach will be possible with the new Firefox too in time.

Josiah

[PMario]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 7:49:17 PM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

I'm glad to hear that multiple profiles are doable in the latest Firefox. Though reads a bit cumbersome.

I'm still currently on ESR 52 and can launch profiles from within Firefox that spawns separate processes ... I hope that approach will be possible with the new Firefox too in time.

Do you need a plugin, to do this?

-m

[PMario]

On Monday, December 11, 2017 at 6:53:08 PM UTC+1, coda coder wrote:So, the missing info is:

You need to create a shortcut to the firefox.exe and add a switch to access the profile you want -- e.g. for my setup, I have a profile called wikis:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Mozilla Firefox\firefox.exe" -no-remote -P wikis

Thx for the info.

 

Quote: When Firefox is running and you try to open another Firefox process, a new window is opened instead, in the already running process. You can use the -no-remote command line option to start a new Firefox process that is invisible to the first process. [1]

Yea. If they are part of the same "instance", the AddOn can see the tabs and have a warning if a TW is opened 2 times.

Conclusion: ... Different pofiles -> No warning! ...

 

By using -no-remote along with the -P option to select a different profile, you can open multiple instances of Firefox at the same time, using separate profiles. [2] Selecting a different profile from the one used in the first process is necessary because profiles are "locked" when in use.

That's useful info.

 

More here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/Opening_a_new_instance_of_Firefox_with_another_profile

thx.
-m

[@TiddlyTweeter]

PMario asked:

Do you need a plugin, to do this?

Yes. I use Profilist Portable. There is also a non-portable version (and slightly easier to set-up).

FYI, at the moment I can't find any Quantum compliant profile managers that will work within FF.

FWIW, the developer of Profilist commented to me that it may be possible to develop a new version that avoids the file saving problem in Quantum using FF's "messaging system". But its some way off as the API is quite difficult and many developers that used the pre-Quantum file-save mechanisms have now left supporting FF.

Best wishes
Josiah

@TiddlyTweeter wrote:

I'm glad to hear that multiple profiles are doable in the latest Firefox. Though reads a bit cumbersome.

I'm still currently on ESR 52 and can launch profiles from within Firefox that spawns separate processes ... I hope that approach will be possible with the new Firefox too in time.

 

-m

[PMario]

On Tuesday, December 12, 2017 at 10:48:55 AM UTC+1, @TiddlyTweeter wrote:

PMario asked:

Do you need a plugin, to do this?

Yes. I use Profilist Portable. There is also a non-portable version (and slightly easier to set-up).

FYI, at the moment I can't find any Quantum compliant profile managers that will work within FF.

Yea. ... Some things got harder. ... But the new web-extension framework is very consistent. And I have to say, it's fun to work with it. .. (until you hit the security barriers ;)

 

... I'm also experimenting with a more generic save mechanism. ... But it's super ugly. no ETA no promises :)

have fun!
mairo