Re: Retina Display Support
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Patrick Woolsey
Jul 2, 2012, 2:55:40 PM7/2/12
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At 10:00 -0700 07/02/2012, Lawson wrote:
> Is Retina support in the works for the new Retina MacBook Pro? I was
> totally shocked when I opened up TextWrangler and it was all pixellated.
> That feature alone would almost be worth getting BBEdit, if only it
> supported it either...
We're aware of the text rendering issues and UI issues on the Retina
Display MBP and will address these as soon as we can.
Regards,
Patrick Woolsey
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> Is Retina support in the works for the new Retina MacBook Pro? I was
> totally shocked when I opened up TextWrangler and it was all pixellated.
> That feature alone would almost be worth getting BBEdit, if only it
> supported it either...
We're aware of the text rendering issues and UI issues on the Retina
Display MBP and will address these as soon as we can.
Regards,
Patrick Woolsey
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc. <http://www.barebones.com>
P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048
Christopher Bort
Aug 24, 2012, 7:24:15 PM8/24/12
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On 8/16/12 at 9:24 PM, robert...@gmail.com wrote:
>Really need this feature too! Obviously, I dont want to switch
>to another editor.
on a first gen MacBook to Mountain Lion on a brand new Retina
Display MacBook Pro. FWIW, I am not seeing this issue. The text
in TextWrangler looks absolutely normal OMM. I've tried a
variety of fonts and sizes and everything, including my favored
Monaco 9.
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Christopher Bort
<top...@thehundredacre.net>
>Really need this feature too! Obviously, I dont want to switch
>to another editor.
>
>On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 12:00:26 AM UTC+7, Lawson wrote:
>>
>>Is Retina support in the works for the new Retina MacBook
>>Pro? I was totally shocked when I opened up TextWrangler and
>>it was all pixellated. That feature alone would almost be
>>worth getting BBEdit, if only it supported it either...
I just yesterday migrated my primary computer from Snow Leopard
>On Tuesday, July 3, 2012 12:00:26 AM UTC+7, Lawson wrote:
>>
>>Is Retina support in the works for the new Retina MacBook
>>Pro? I was totally shocked when I opened up TextWrangler and
>>it was all pixellated. That feature alone would almost be
>>worth getting BBEdit, if only it supported it either...
on a first gen MacBook to Mountain Lion on a brand new Retina
Display MacBook Pro. FWIW, I am not seeing this issue. The text
in TextWrangler looks absolutely normal OMM. I've tried a
variety of fonts and sizes and everything, including my favored
Monaco 9.
--
Christopher Bort
<top...@thehundredacre.net>
Lawson Culver
Aug 24, 2012, 7:31:54 PM8/24/12
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Maybe you need a retina upgrade. :-P
Lawson Culver
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Christopher Bort
Aug 24, 2012, 9:42:31 PM8/24/12
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On 8/24/12 at 4:31 PM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>Maybe you need a retina upgrade. :-P
While my retinas are not quite what they may have been a decade
>Maybe you need a retina upgrade. :-P
or so ago, I can still read 9 point Monaco clearly, so they must
not be too bad yet. 8^)
Lawson Culver
Aug 27, 2012, 9:36:36 AM8/27/12
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I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to (constructively) comment until now.
Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky, so it looks the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt (who's blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
Lawson Culver
Christopher Bort
Aug 27, 2012, 2:58:07 PM8/27/12
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On 8/27/12 at 6:36 AM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to
>(constructively) comment until now.
>
>Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky, so it looks
>the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt (who's
>blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
I'm aware of Monaco's design and purpose. It's why I prefer it
>I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to
>(constructively) comment until now.
>
>Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky, so it looks
>the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt (who's
>blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
for plain text. As I've said, I've tried a variety of fonts and
sizes, up to 24 pt, in TextWrangler. Font smoothing seems to be
working just fine and everything is perfectly readable for me. I
don't see any difference between TextWrangler and other
applications on this system. I believe that people are seeing
issues with text rendering on Retina displays, but on my own
install, it appears to be behaving as expected. I'm simply
offering this as a data point that might suggest there could be
some other factor(s) in play besides just the retina display.
Lawson Culver
Aug 27, 2012, 3:08:29 PM8/27/12
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This makes me wonder if it's all of our systems that aren't working, or perhaps you're not comparing to a retina-enabled application. Here's a screenshot of 18pt Monaco. The top line is Text Wrangler, and the bottom line is Text Edit.
Thomas Humiston
Aug 27, 2012, 4:18:57 PM8/27/12
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Thanks for the screenshot, Lawson. Now I see what I stand to gain if I go to TW4 and a newer machine.
I've stuck with TW 3.5.1 (because I simply cannot stand v4's left documents list), but I've been curious about the fuzziness discussed in this thread. Apparently TW4 isn't fuzzier than TW3, it just seems so when the rest of the environment becomes more crisp. Reading the thread, I thought something horrible had happened (in addition to the left documents list).
- TH
On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Lawson Culver wrote:
> This makes me wonder if it's all of our systems that aren't working, or perhaps you're not comparing to a retina-enabled application. Here's a screenshot of 18pt Monaco. The top line is Text Wrangler, and the bottom line is Text Edit.
> <textwrangler-retina.png>
I've stuck with TW 3.5.1 (because I simply cannot stand v4's left documents list), but I've been curious about the fuzziness discussed in this thread. Apparently TW4 isn't fuzzier than TW3, it just seems so when the rest of the environment becomes more crisp. Reading the thread, I thought something horrible had happened (in addition to the left documents list).
- TH
On Aug 27, 2012, at 3:08 PM, Lawson Culver wrote:
> This makes me wonder if it's all of our systems that aren't working, or perhaps you're not comparing to a retina-enabled application. Here's a screenshot of 18pt Monaco. The top line is Text Wrangler, and the bottom line is Text Edit.
> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6717840/textwrangler-retina.png
>
> Lawson Culver
> law...@theculvers.us
>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Christopher Bort wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/12 at 6:36 AM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>>
>>> I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to (constructively) comment until now.
>>>
>>> Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky, so it looks
>>> the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt (who's
>>> blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
>>
>> I'm aware of Monaco's design and purpose. It's why I prefer it for plain text. As I've said, I've tried a variety of fonts and sizes, up to 24 pt, in TextWrangler. Font smoothing seems to be working just fine and everything is perfectly readable for me. I don't see any difference between TextWrangler and other applications on this system. I believe that people are seeing issues with text rendering on Retina displays, but on my own install, it appears to be behaving as expected. I'm simply offering this as a data point that might suggest there could be some other factor(s) in play besides just the retina display.
>
>
>
> Lawson Culver
> law...@theculvers.us
>
>
>
> On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Christopher Bort wrote:
>
>> On 8/27/12 at 6:36 AM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>>
>>> I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to (constructively) comment until now.
>>>
>>> Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky, so it looks
>>> the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt (who's
>>> blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
>>
>> I'm aware of Monaco's design and purpose. It's why I prefer it for plain text. As I've said, I've tried a variety of fonts and sizes, up to 24 pt, in TextWrangler. Font smoothing seems to be working just fine and everything is perfectly readable for me. I don't see any difference between TextWrangler and other applications on this system. I believe that people are seeing issues with text rendering on Retina displays, but on my own install, it appears to be behaving as expected. I'm simply offering this as a data point that might suggest there could be some other factor(s) in play besides just the retina display.
>
>
Christopher Bort
Aug 27, 2012, 4:29:56 PM8/27/12
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On 8/27/12 at 12:08 PM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>This makes me wonder if it's all of our systems that aren't working,
>or perhaps you're not comparing to a retina-enabled application.
>Here's a screenshot of 18pt Monaco. The top line is Text Wrangler,
>and the bottom line is Text Edit.
>
>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6717840/textwrangler-retina.png
>This makes me wonder if it's all of our systems that aren't working,
>or perhaps you're not comparing to a retina-enabled application.
>Here's a screenshot of 18pt Monaco. The top line is Text Wrangler,
>and the bottom line is Text Edit.
>
OK, I had not compared side-by-side like that. Now that I have,
I do see the same difference OMM. From all the complaints on the
list, I had expected the difference to be dramatic and render
TextWrangler virtually unusable. Now that I see what all the
fuss is about, I personally find the difference to be quite
minor and not at all distressing. For normal use, TextWrangler
is still quite readable to me. It would be nice to see
TextWrangler made to be retina-enabled, but for my own use I'm
not terribly concerned about it.
>On Aug 27, 2012, at 1:58 PM, Christopher Bort wrote:
>
>>On 8/27/12 at 6:36 AM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>>
>>> I left my MacBook Pro at work, so I wasn't able to (constructively)
>>> comment
>until now.
>>> Monaco at 9pt is actually intentionally pixellated/blocky,
>>>so it
>>> looks the same on a retina vs. non-retina display. I code in 18pt
>>> (who's blind now?), and the difference is painfully obvious.
>>
>>I'm aware of Monaco's design and purpose. It's why I prefer it for
>>plain text.
>As I've said, I've tried a variety of fonts and sizes, up to 24 pt, in
>TextWrangler. Font smoothing seems to be working just fine and
>everything is perfectly readable for me. I don't see any difference
>between TextWrangler and other applications on this system. I believe
>that people are seeing issues with text rendering on Retina displays,
>but on my own install, it appears to be behaving as expected. I'm
>simply offering this as a data point that might suggest there could be
>some other factor(s) in play besides just the retina display.
>
Christopher Bort
<top...@thehundredacre.net>
Walter Ian Kaye
Aug 28, 2012, 2:36:33 AM8/28/12
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At 06:42 p -0700 08/24/2012, Christopher Bort didst inscribe upon an
electronic papyrus:
>On 8/24/12 at 4:31 PM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>
>>Maybe you need a retina upgrade. :-P
>
>While my retinas are not quite what they may have been a decade or
>so ago, I can still read 9 point Monaco clearly, so they must not be
>too bad yet. 8^)
If this were Facebook, I'd "Like" that comment. ;)
Hey Rich, is there an official (i.e., non-Community) Fb Page for BBSW?
Hey 10.8 users, does ProFont X still work?
-boo
at age 53, still finds 9pt Monaco/ProFont the *easiest* font to read
with the naked eye. :-) (Even though my mom wore glasses and my
sister does too. Just lucky I guess, lol)
electronic papyrus:
>On 8/24/12 at 4:31 PM, law...@theculvers.us (Lawson Culver) wrote:
>
>>Maybe you need a retina upgrade. :-P
>
>While my retinas are not quite what they may have been a decade or
>so ago, I can still read 9 point Monaco clearly, so they must not be
>too bad yet. 8^)
Hey Rich, is there an official (i.e., non-Community) Fb Page for BBSW?
Hey 10.8 users, does ProFont X still work?
-boo
at age 53, still finds 9pt Monaco/ProFont the *easiest* font to read
with the naked eye. :-) (Even though my mom wore glasses and my
sister does too. Just lucky I guess, lol)
Rich Siegel
Dec 9, 2012, 10:28:11 AM12/9/12
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On Sunday, December 9, 2012, Seth Nickeson <seth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I don't want to be rude, but it's December and still no Retina?
It's not like we've been sitting around doing nothing. :-)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/AwGLFEqUOU8/nVjauDXeo5YJ>
An update to TextWrangler is in the works.
>I have to switch until you fix it. Hope you have an update soon.
Perhaps this represents an opportunity for you to consider
whether the cost of a BBEdit license would pay for itself.
R.
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>I don't want to be rude, but it's December and still no Retina?
It's not like we've been sitting around doing nothing. :-)
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/AwGLFEqUOU8/nVjauDXeo5YJ>
An update to TextWrangler is in the works.
>I have to switch until you fix it. Hope you have an update soon.
Perhaps this represents an opportunity for you to consider
whether the cost of a BBEdit license would pay for itself.
R.
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Jeremy Levy
Dec 9, 2012, 11:43:40 AM12/9/12
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Thanks Rich- As someone who has also been following this- I'm going to upgrade.
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Rich Siegel
Dec 15, 2012, 7:47:15 PM12/15/12
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On Saturday, December 15, 2012, Jamie Swain <jps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1
>
> Just got my MBP retina..... TextWrangler looks awful!!
>
> Should I just find a new text editor or you guys gonna fix this???????
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/On3PGH5ovJQ/zyOPd9GVqisJ>
> +1
>
> Just got my MBP retina..... TextWrangler looks awful!!
>
> Should I just find a new text editor or you guys gonna fix this???????
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/On3PGH5ovJQ/zyOPd9GVqisJ>
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Rich Siegel
Mar 29, 2013, 4:53:29 PM3/29/13
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On Friday, March 29, 2013, Allen Buck <allen...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Theres a retina text app Textastic for $6 in the App store.
>Haven't tried it out but the out of focus letters is really
>annoying me.
TextWrangler 4.5 shipped with Retina support over a month ago,
and was announced on this list: <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/C9F4gzzUeHw/iKywBYuvWhUJ>.
>Theres a retina text app Textastic for $6 in the App store.
>Haven't tried it out but the out of focus letters is really
>annoying me.
TextWrangler 4.5 shipped with Retina support over a month ago,
and was announced on this list: <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/textwrangler/C9F4gzzUeHw/iKywBYuvWhUJ>.
Robin Henderson
Mar 29, 2013, 5:52:36 PM3/29/13
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By the way, it looks great. Thanks.
On 29 March 2013 13:57, Allen Buck <allen...@gmail.com> wrote:
I have indeed been living under a rock. Thanks for your reply, disregard the previous post.
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