new scom tutorial on youtube

[stephane boussuge]

Hi,

a short new scom tutorial on youtube (and vimeo ) for beginners:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAAdZYtemE&feature=plcp

in french but with english subtitles ;)

Stéphane Boussuge

s.bou...@orange.fr

http://algorithmicmusiccomposer.blogspot.fr/

[pstone imap]

Hi, that's a good one, I'll add it to the video tutorial section!

Peter

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[pstone imap]

I tested SCOM document translation on Google and it works ok, with a couple of remarks:

- blocks of text translate ok

- code examples cannot be translated (google adds up punctuation, capitalisation and translated letters)

- first parameter line of the document does not translate exactly ok

- no comments about the translation "quality" ...

I tested google translate using Firefox and SCOM's internal web-viewer. Both work ok. Few remarks how copy/paste works with the SCOM's internal web-viewer.

- paste SCOM doc using ctrl-mouse click, select paste from the menu

- copy translated block selecting it, and use ctrl-mouse click to copy

- right mouse button on magic trackpad or other mouse will also open the menu

paste scom doc to be translated

copy translated block

paste translation to scom doc and save, next time def-section is clicked it opens the translated doc

Peter

[ole]

what will happen after updating SCOM?

(thats the reason why the migrate-script you wrote is so valuable to me...)

ole

Am 04.09.2012 um 18:33 schrieb pstone imap:

> I tested SCOM document translation on Google and it works ok, with a couple of remarks:
>
> - blocks of text translate ok
> - code examples cannot be translated (google adds up punctuation, capitalisation and translated letters)
> - first parameter line of the document does not translate exactly ok
> - no comments about the translation "quality" ...
>
> I tested google translate using Firefox and SCOM's internal web-viewer. Both work ok. Few remarks how copy/paste works with the SCOM's internal web-viewer.
>
> - paste SCOM doc using ctrl-mouse click, select paste from the menu
> - copy translated block selecting it, and use ctrl-mouse click to copy
> - right mouse button on magic trackpad or other mouse will also open the menu
>
> paste scom doc to be translated

> <scom webview paste doc.jpeg>
>
> copy translated block
> <scom webview copy translation.jpeg>

>
> paste translation to scom doc and save, next time def-section is clicked it opens the translated doc

> <paste block to scom doc and save.jpeg>
>
> Peter

[pstone imap]

I'm thinking that personal notes and translated docs are kept in /environment/docsup (or something) folder in subdirs /notes, /lang/french etc and the go menu lists likely similar docsup files as the currently open doc. *lang* setting will open selected lang doc by default, and its go menu will list closely matching notes and other langs.

This way there can be language versions and personal notes and other persons notes living in the same environment. It's more flexible than trying to make a mixdown machup from all kind of docs during migration. When migrating simply drag your docsup/notes and lang/ folders to the new environment. Btw, if you collected all your notes from 6.4 this mechanism allows to match them to 6.5 (but they are still kept as separate files). I'll think about that a bit more...

Peter

[ole]

But then you have to open three files: the orginal-doc, the translation and the notes-file.
When I'am at home, I'am working on a 30' screen, but when I'am travelling I'am on a 15' Macbook screen.
Why not a similar solution as with the settings- leaving the orginal docs untouched somewhere and have the possibility to copy them and fill them with translations and notes. I used the migration-script from on version 6.2 whithout any complications...

[pstone imap]

No need to open 3 docs, only one. Notes-docs can be opened at the same time with the doc. Notes can be placed maybe in the same window frame using editor divider.

Translation doc opening can be controlled with *lang* setting. If french doc is set open french doc. If there happen to be no french doc for that function show the english doc. List the english doc in the go menu, because it can have additional parameters and fixes that the translated doc does not yet have.

Peter

[pstone imap]

Hi, here is a quick draft how notes can be added to the documents. Let me know if it causes any problems.

- download http://www.symboliccomposer.com/transfer/SCOM65notesdraft.zip

- extract and drag the SCOM 6.5 notes draft app into your SCOM 6.5 folder

How to use:

- open some document

- lift up at the dot at the bottom document bar to add notes

- add your notes and save the doc

How it displays notes:

- if document has notes it displays them when opening the doc

- if doc has no notes it displays it as-is

- notes should copy/paste/evaluate/visualize pretty normal

Advanced stuff: Migration from 6.x-series:

- if you have added notes to documents in 6.0-6.4 series

- move all your notes at the end of the doc

- enter ---notes just before your notes begin, for example

------- make it this way

gen-sin frequency amplitude samples &optional phase modulation

its documentation...

---notes

this might be useful to try out

(gen-sin x y z) .. etc notes

-------

- enter (migrate-collect-notes) in the Listener and press return

- this saves all notes in Environment/Notes folder

- drag the Notes folder into SCOM 6.5 Environment

Peter

[ole]

thanks for that!

not sure if it works right

-I dropped the notes draft .app into the SCOM folder so it lives right beside the SCOM app.
-When I open a document and lift the dot at the bottom document bar then- dependings on where the cursor stands in the document- that part of the document is mirrored...
Where are the notes saved so I can control if it works right (and the note is not only saved normally with the document)?

ole

Am 08.09.2012 um 16:01 schrieb pstone imap:

> Hi, here is a quick draft how notes can be added to the documents. Let me know if it causes any problems.
>
> - download http://www.symboliccomposer.com/transfer/SCOM65notesdraft.zip
> - extract and drag the SCOM 6.5 notes draft app into your SCOM 6.5 folder
>
> How to use:
>
> - open some document
> - lift up at the dot at the bottom document bar to add notes
> - add your notes and save the doc
>
> How it displays notes:
>
> - if document has notes it displays them when opening the doc
> - if doc has no notes it displays it as-is
> - notes should copy/paste/evaluate/visualize pretty normal
>

> <adding note to document.jpeg>

>
> Advanced stuff: Migration from 6.x-series:
>
> - if you have added notes to documents in 6.0-6.4 series
> - move all your notes at the end of the doc
> - enter ---notes just before your notes begin, for example
>
> ------- make it this way
> gen-sin frequency amplitude samples &optional phase modulation
>
> its documentation...
>
> ---notes
>
> this might be useful to try out
> (gen-sin x y z) .. etc notes
> -------
>
> - enter (migrate-collect-notes) in the Listener and press return
> - this saves all notes in Environment/Notes folder
> - drag the Notes folder into SCOM 6.5 Environment
>
> Peter
>
>

[ole]

btw. these three sine-wave examples that you made for demonstrating the notes
are all interesting (to me):-))

ole
Am 08.09.2012 um 16:01 schrieb pstone imap:

> Hi, here is a quick draft how notes can be added to the documents. Let me know if it causes any problems.
>
> - download http://www.symboliccomposer.com/transfer/SCOM65notesdraft.zip
> - extract and drag the SCOM 6.5 notes draft app into your SCOM 6.5 folder
>
> How to use:
>
> - open some document
> - lift up at the dot at the bottom document bar to add notes
> - add your notes and save the doc
>
> How it displays notes:
>
> - if document has notes it displays them when opening the doc
> - if doc has no notes it displays it as-is
> - notes should copy/paste/evaluate/visualize pretty normal
>

> <adding note to document.jpeg>

>
> Advanced stuff: Migration from 6.x-series:
>
> - if you have added notes to documents in 6.0-6.4 series
> - move all your notes at the end of the doc
> - enter ---notes just before your notes begin, for example
>
> ------- make it this way
> gen-sin frequency amplitude samples &optional phase modulation
>
> its documentation...
>
> ---notes
>
> this might be useful to try out
> (gen-sin x y z) .. etc notes
> -------
>
> - enter (migrate-collect-notes) in the Listener and press return
> - this saves all notes in Environment/Notes folder
> - drag the Notes folder into SCOM 6.5 Environment
>
> Peter
>
>

[pstone imap]

-I dropped the notes draft .app into the SCOM folder so it lives right beside the SCOM app.

ok

-When I open a document and lift the dot at the bottom document bar then- dependings on where the cursor stands in the document- that part of the document is mirrored…

open just documents such as gen-sin … all that system, library and tonality stuff

notes in score windows is not specified yet … shows up some mirroring of other notes or docs at the moment

I tested only Icon Top layout mode. Do you have problems with other layouts?

Where are the notes saved so I can control if it works right (and the note is not only saved normally with the document)?

I made some test notes in SCOM 6.4 (adding notes to docs using ---notes), then run (migrate-collect-notes) which created environment/notes folder. Then I dragged the notes folder to SCOM 6.5 environment.

Docs that have not yet notes show up this way:

to add notes lift up the bottom dot

add notes to it

save the doc with command-s

- doc attachment is now saved into environment/notes folder, new make-zone note appears there

close the doc, and the next time it is opened it shows the notes attachment

- at the moment only document windows can have notes

- score window notes may mirror doc notes or score, this is normal since notes method is now only specified for doc windows

Peter

[pstone imap]

notes appear like a useful feature, thank you for the idea :-)

Peter

[ole]

-I open a doc (cursor is top left as in your example)

[siehe angehängte Datei: Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.13.47.jpg]


-then I lift the dot at the bottom document bar:

[siehe angehängte Datei: Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.14.05.jpg]


-when saving a note like this

[siehe angehängte Datei: Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.18.42.jpg]


the environment/notes folder stays empty :-(

as you can see I switched to Icon Top layout...

Am 08.09.2012 um 22:36 schrieb pstone imap:

>> -I dropped the notes draft .app into the SCOM folder so it lives right beside the SCOM app.
>
> ok
>
>> -When I open a document and lift the dot at the bottom document bar then- dependings on where the cursor stands in the document- that part of the document is mirrored…
>
> open just documents such as gen-sin … all that system, library and tonality stuff
> notes in score windows is not specified yet … shows up some mirroring of other notes or docs at the moment
>
> I tested only Icon Top layout mode. Do you have problems with other layouts?
>
>> Where are the notes saved so I can control if it works right (and the note is not only saved normally with the document)?
>
> I made some test notes in SCOM 6.4 (adding notes to docs using ---notes), then run (migrate-collect-notes) which created environment/notes folder. Then I dragged the notes folder to SCOM 6.5 environment.
>

> <notes folder in scom 6.5 environment.jpeg>

>
> Docs that have not yet notes show up this way:
>

> <document.jpeg>

>
> to add notes lift up the bottom dot
>

> <lift up bottom divider.jpeg>
>
> add notes to it
>
> <now writing notes and save the doc.jpeg>

>
> save the doc with command-s
>
> - doc attachment is now saved into environment/notes folder, new make-zone note appears there
>

> <make-zone note added.jpeg>

[ole]

other way around:

-I create a file called def-symbol.scom in the notes folder whith only one line of notes in.
than I relaunch SCOM and (re-)open def-symbol. No notes...?

What am I doing wrong?

ole

> <Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.13.47.jpg><Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.14.05.jpg><Screenshot 2012-09-08 um 23.18.42.jpg>

[ole]

Am 08.09.2012 um 22:36 schrieb pstone imap:

> open just documents such as gen-sin … all that system, library and tonality stuff
> notes in score windows is not specified yet … shows up some mirroring of other notes or docs at the moment

Maybe I do not understand this sentence properly, does it mean the whole thing is working only with a very limited part of the docs yet?

[pstone imap]

Everything that opens in a document window can have note attachments (that window class which stacks down from the top by default):

- system, tonality and library functions
- user's manual

My Projects, tutorial, score lib, library entries, testers etc. which are not document windows, cannot currently have note attachments. They may mirror some notes or show other erratic stuff. Note edits are not saved for those windows. This behaviour needs to be specified.

Peter

[pstone imap]

Works here. No mirroring of def-symbol like in your example.

Have you made some additional System Settings? I'm using the 6.5 defaults, and have only specified set my projects location.

Peter
btw. Environment folder needs to have Notes subfolder, otherwise note attachments cannot be saved. I'll fix that it creates Notes folder if it does not exist.

[pstone imap]

Just to ensure you have the right setup

scom main folder

environment folder that has Notes folder

saved note attachments appear in Notes folder as normal .scom text files

Peter

On Sep 8, 2012, at 9:07 PM, ole <ma...@oleschmidt.info> wrote:

[pstone imap]

Obvious explanation to mirroring :-)

- you have been running Symbolic Composer 6.5, since its divider always mirrors the main doc

You need to run SCOM 6.5 notes draft. Its divider shows the note attachments.

Peter

[ole]

thanks! As the (german?) saying goes ...cannot see the wood for the trees...:-))

[pstone imap]

Hi, 2nd version SCOM 6.5 notes draft2 specifies how editor windows work:

- divider provides 2 views in the same file (mirroring effect)

- allows to edit 2 locations of the score

- looks like it does not mess up edit positions anymore as in 6.4

- looks like copy/paste cut/paste from view1 to view2 works ok

- useful when you want to change some parameter here and other there

- useful when score is very long

- reduces the need to clone editor

Why no notes in score windows? Just use ; and #| … |# comments of course :-)

Go menu is now more specified, too:

- it lists the tags of the currently active divider view

- in editor windows go menu is the same for both views (same buffer, same tags)

- in document windows go menu lists tags of the doc, or tags of the notes

- this is useful when there are lots of notes

- add title lines or comments to notes, and it lets to jump to these locations

I'll do some more testing over the week. I found a couple of cases which mess up edit locations in view1 and view2.  Divider change. Window resize. Initial cursor position of view1 gets lost when starting edit view2, but not when view1 has already been edited (noticed in editor, did not test document notes).

Here it is

http://www.symboliccomposer.com/transfer/SCOM65notesdraft2.zip

Peter

[ole]

Am 09.09.2012 um 13:30 schrieb pstone imap:

> Hi, 2nd version SCOM 6.5 notes draft2 specifies how editor windows work:
>
> - divider provides 2 views in the same file (mirroring effect)
> - allows to edit 2 locations of the score
> - looks like it does not mess up edit positions anymore as in 6.4
> - looks like copy/paste cut/paste from view1 to view2 works ok
> - useful when you want to change some parameter here and other there
> - useful when score is very long
> - reduces the need to clone editor

I'll try it and will report back my experiences...

>
> Why no notes in score windows? Just use ; and #| … |# comments of course :-)

as you wrote- there is no need for that kind of notes in scores...


thanks!

ole
>
> <work on 2 locations of the score test.jpeg>

[Orange]

Very useful feature !!
thanks Peter

stf

[ole]

Hi,

I just use the new notes function (after watching the new video from stephane...) and make a note to acivate-tonality. When I reopen the file it looks like it has no notes, I first had to lift the dot at the bottom document bar to see if there are notes or not. It would be useful if one can see immediately when opening a doc if there are notes (or not)...


[siehe angehängte Datei: 2.when_reopening_the_file.jpg] [siehe angehängte Datei: 1.after_making_a_note.jpg]

[Orange]

i think windows split is no more for notes but for editing two part of the same document.
because (i'm not sure) i think it's better to use this split like that because you can do "notes" with large comment style : #| and |#


stf

> <2.when_reopening_the_file.jpg><1.after_making_a_note.jpg>

[ole]

Hi Stephane

this is true for score files but not for function docs, see recent posting about this topic...
btw. nice new video- I always learn something when I watch your vids, thanks!

ole

[pstone imap]

Yes, icons on top layout opens notes ok, other layouts display notes erratically. I'll try to fix that.

Peter

[Orange]

oh sorry, i misunderstand .
thank you for your kind compliment.

stf

[pstone imap]

Hi, try this, it shows notes in default size or use their save size. It also restores score edit dot views to the last saved layout.

http://www.symboliccomposer.com/transfer/SCOM65notesdraft3.zip

Peter

[stephane boussuge]

Thanks Peter, i'll try that.

stf

Stéphane Boussuge

s.bou...@orange.fr

http://algorithmicmusiccomposer.blogspot.fr/

[ole]

works fine here, thanks!

One very small (but annoing) thing: When Quitting SCOM a dialog box appear "Do you really want to quit"
The normal mac behaviour is that one can confirm "yes" with the return key (set as a default...) and "no" with the shortcut command+d (for don't I assume). Maybe it is easy to assign them (right)?

thanks,

ole

[pstone imap]

Never thought about that :-)

I'll put that in the dev stack.

Peter

[ranga]

Hi,

Is there a set of videos in English?

Regards,

Rangarajan

On Tuesday, September 4, 2012 8:14:21 PM UTC+5:30, stephane boussuge wrote:

Hi,

a short new scom tutorial on youtube (and vimeo ) for beginners:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyAAdZYtemE&feature=plcp

in french but with english subtitles ;)

[stephane boussuge]

They are some, check youtube and vimeo for stephane boussuge and symbolic composer.

stf

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