Dr. Pushpa Dikshit's method VS more traditional ways
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Vivek
Mar 5, 2017, 12:08:07 AM3/5/17
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Based on the recent discussion of Dr. Pushpa Dikshit's method of teaching Ashtadhyayi a questions came to mind.
If her method is so much faster and better and also widely recognized why do many institution continue more traditional teaching methods as starting with Laghu Siddhanta Koumudi etc?
Is there a benefit to study in the traditional and seemingly longer way over Pushpa her method?
Regards,
Vivek
Based on the recent discussion of Dr. Pushpa Dikshit's method of teaching Ashtadhyayi a questions came to mind.
If her method is so much faster and better and also widely recognized why do many institution continue more traditional teaching methods as starting with Laghu Siddhanta Koumudi etc?
Is there a benefit to study in the traditional and seemingly longer way over Pushpa her method?
Regards,
Vivek
Irene Galstian
Mar 5, 2017, 6:25:05 AM3/5/17
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Dikshit's method proposes to teach the Astadhyayi in 6 months. But what's the starting level of the students?
Is there clear evidence that Dikshit's method is faster?
It's possible to teach the Kaumudis inefficiently, and the results would be inferior, or maybe it's taught well, but the students aren't keen on learning. But what if the Kaumudi path is taught well, to disciplined students? Then we get people like Dr. Bhat, from whose erudition and expertise we benefit regularly on this list.
Is there an example of similarly-motivated students starting from a similar level, whereby one group followed Pushpa, the other a well-taught Kaumudi path, for the same amount of time? Did someone compare them and find the Kaumudi group lacking? If so, in what sense were they lacking?
We need to make a distinction between speaking/reading/understanding Sanskrit very well and mastering Panini's technical apparatus. The first can be achieved with some, but not minutely technical, engagement with the Astadhyayi, which the Kaumudis do provide. The second is a specialised technical skill.
Can anybody shed light on the above questions?
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Is there clear evidence that Dikshit's method is faster?
It's possible to teach the Kaumudis inefficiently, and the results would be inferior, or maybe it's taught well, but the students aren't keen on learning. But what if the Kaumudi path is taught well, to disciplined students? Then we get people like Dr. Bhat, from whose erudition and expertise we benefit regularly on this list.
Is there an example of similarly-motivated students starting from a similar level, whereby one group followed Pushpa, the other a well-taught Kaumudi path, for the same amount of time? Did someone compare them and find the Kaumudi group lacking? If so, in what sense were they lacking?
We need to make a distinction between speaking/reading/understanding Sanskrit very well and mastering Panini's technical apparatus. The first can be achieved with some, but not minutely technical, engagement with the Astadhyayi, which the Kaumudis do provide. The second is a specialised technical skill.
Can anybody shed light on the above questions?
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Taff Rivers
Mar 5, 2017, 12:30:04 PM3/5/17
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Irene,
It would appear that you are seeking an evaluation of a particular teaching method in order to come to a conclusion as to a basis for action.
In which case a set of criteria as to what constitues 'superior' etc. taking the characteristics of the learner into account, Characteristics that also need to be specified as part of said criteria.
There again, based on the fruits of experience, there is the overwhelming feeling that your are simply seeking a debate on the matter. Debate in the sense of arguement i.e. that you are being arguementative for its own sake, not to serve any useful purpose?
Taff,
(R & D analyst person)
Nagaraj Paturi
Mar 5, 2017, 12:48:54 PM3/5/17
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Probably he is trying to see if a methodical research has already been done on the question initiating the thread.
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The issue I think is not just Kaumudi method Vs Dr Pushpa Dikshit method. It is Kaumudi method Vs Direct Ashtadhyayi method.
Just recently on this list Sri Sitaram shared the origins of Arya Samaj's direct Ashtadhyayi method in the thread with the title: "Laghu vs full Siddhanta Kaumudi"
Brahmadatt Jijnasu's Saralatama vidhi book and the method documented in that is a result of this inspiration mentioned by Sri Sitram from Swami Dayananda Saraswati , the founder of Arya Samaj.Historically this is a little older than the initiative by Dr Pushpa Dikshit.
Arya Samaj universities and institutions have been following this method. Summer Schools etc. have been conducted by teachers of this book's lineage.
Audio of this is available at
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Nagaraj Paturi
Mar 5, 2017, 12:50:59 PM3/5/17
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The book info is at places like this
Irene Galstian
Mar 5, 2017, 12:51:33 PM3/5/17
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Yes, that's what made me ask the questions.
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Nagaraj Paturi
Mar 5, 2017, 12:52:10 PM3/5/17
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and here
Nagaraj Paturi
Mar 5, 2017, 1:05:50 PM3/5/17
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Interestingly, at http://www.pushpadikshit.com/,
Dr Pushpa Dikshit's address is given as
आर्य समाज के पास, गोंड़पारा, बिलासपुर (छ.ग.)।
दूरवाणी :: 07752-227815 । चलवाणी :: 094255-42292
ई-सम्पर्क :: pushp...@gmail.com
The page has the following:
व्याकरणशास्त्र में नवीन उद्भावना
लौकिक, वैदिक उभय शब्दों का साधक होने के कारण वेदों की रक्षा का उपायभूत पाणिनीय व्याकरणशास्त्र सारे वेदाङ्गों में प्रधान है। इसे पढ़ने की दो पद्धतियाँ प्रचलित हैं। एक पद्धति है, पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी के सूत्रों के अर्थों को पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी के ही क्रम से पढ़ना। इस पद्धति में यह दोष है कि प्रक्रिया को जानने के लिये पूरी अष्टाध्यायी को जानना पड़ता है। साथ ही इसमें अनेक प्रकरणों का व्यामिश्रण हो जाता है, अधिकार, अनुवट्ठत्ति और सूत्रों का पूर्वापर विज्ञान 'अष्टाध्यायी' के प्राण हैं। दूसरी पद्धति है प्रक्रियापद्धति। इसमें एक लक्ष्य को लेकर सूत्र उपस्थित किये जाते हैं। इससे वह लक्ष्य तो सिद्ध हो जाता है, किन्तु सूत्र का शेष भाग अव्याख्यात ही रह जाता है। प्रक्रियाग्रन्थ पहिले 'प्रयोग' को सामने रख लेते हैं। उस प्रयोग के लिये सारे सूत्र लाकर वहाँ खड़े कर देते हैं। इससे 'अष्टाध्यायी' की व्यवस्था भग्न होती है और 'अधिकार सूत्रों' का मर्म स्पष्ट नहीं हो पाता। अतः इन दो पद्धतियों के रहते हुए 'पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी' के विज्ञान को स्पष्ट करते हुए एक प्रयोग को बनाने की प्रक्रिया बतलाकर उसके समानाकृति सारे प्रयोगों को उसी स्थल पर दर्शाकर इदमित्थम् बतला देने वाली एक पद्धति अभीष्ट थी, जिससे समग्र 'अष्टाध्यायी' अत्यल्प काल में हृद्गत हो सके। इस तीसरी पद्धति का आविष्कार आचार्या पुष्पा दीक्षित ने किया है। वस्तुतः पाणिनि का शास्त्र गणितीय विधि पर आश्रित है, और पुष्पा दीक्षित ने उस विधि का आविष्कार किया है, अतः पाणिनीय व्याकरण पर पुष्पा दीक्षित का यह कार्य वस्तुतः एक बड़ी क्रान्ति है।
लौकिक, वैदिक उभय शब्दों का साधक होने के कारण वेदों की रक्षा का उपायभूत पाणिनीय व्याकरणशास्त्र सारे वेदाङ्गों में प्रधान है। इसे पढ़ने की दो पद्धतियाँ प्रचलित हैं। एक पद्धति है, पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी के सूत्रों के अर्थों को पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी के ही क्रम से पढ़ना। इस पद्धति में यह दोष है कि प्रक्रिया को जानने के लिये पूरी अष्टाध्यायी को जानना पड़ता है। साथ ही इसमें अनेक प्रकरणों का व्यामिश्रण हो जाता है, अधिकार, अनुवट्ठत्ति और सूत्रों का पूर्वापर विज्ञान 'अष्टाध्यायी' के प्राण हैं। दूसरी पद्धति है प्रक्रियापद्धति। इसमें एक लक्ष्य को लेकर सूत्र उपस्थित किये जाते हैं। इससे वह लक्ष्य तो सिद्ध हो जाता है, किन्तु सूत्र का शेष भाग अव्याख्यात ही रह जाता है। प्रक्रियाग्रन्थ पहिले 'प्रयोग' को सामने रख लेते हैं। उस प्रयोग के लिये सारे सूत्र लाकर वहाँ खड़े कर देते हैं। इससे 'अष्टाध्यायी' की व्यवस्था भग्न होती है और 'अधिकार सूत्रों' का मर्म स्पष्ट नहीं हो पाता। अतः इन दो पद्धतियों के रहते हुए 'पाणिनीय अष्टाध्यायी' के विज्ञान को स्पष्ट करते हुए एक प्रयोग को बनाने की प्रक्रिया बतलाकर उसके समानाकृति सारे प्रयोगों को उसी स्थल पर दर्शाकर इदमित्थम् बतला देने वाली एक पद्धति अभीष्ट थी, जिससे समग्र 'अष्टाध्यायी' अत्यल्प काल में हृद्गत हो सके। इस तीसरी पद्धति का आविष्कार आचार्या पुष्पा दीक्षित ने किया है। वस्तुतः पाणिनि का शास्त्र गणितीय विधि पर आश्रित है, और पुष्पा दीक्षित ने उस विधि का आविष्कार किया है, अतः पाणिनीय व्याकरण पर पुष्पा दीक्षित का यह कार्य वस्तुतः एक बड़ी क्रान्ति है।
Irene Galstian
Mar 5, 2017, 1:35:57 PM3/5/17
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Dear Taff,
Merely asking questions isn't being argumentative. And even if I don't agree with others' opinions, I don't embark on a debate just because their opinions could work for them but not for me. For example, Modi alphabet may be acceptable to you as a solution to rapid writing, but I wouldn't implement it myself. To each their own, no need to say anything.
I hope we can all find a way to communicate peacefully.
Kind regards,
Irene
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Nagaraj Paturi
Mar 5, 2017, 1:42:09 PM3/5/17
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She says, hers is the third method brought out as alternative to A. Ashtadhyayi method and B. Prakriya method
Obviously she means Kaumudi method by Prakriya method.
I am not sure if she means Saralatama vidhi by Ashtadhyayi method.
Taff Rivers
Mar 6, 2017, 8:41:00 AM3/6/17
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Vivek,
Pushpa Dikshit's method of teaching Ashtadhyayi is designed to overcome
the limitations of 'the traditional method'.
Actually both traditional methods.
To better understand Dikshit's third way and its supposed merit, let
the lady herself explain what she's about*.
| Then seek students, if any, that
have duly 'absorbed the entire Ashtadhya' by following her method. To ask how long it took. Better still, opt to attend her no cost month long grammar workshop but remember your mosquito repellant! Regards, Taff *https://sites.google.com/site/pushpadikshit1/works |
Vivek
Mar 6, 2017, 9:04:48 AM3/6/17
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Thanks for sharing your insights, Taff.
I'm currently doing a 20 week webinar course that is based on her method of teaching. I'm sure I'll learn more along the way.
Just very fascinated with it.
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DR Y N RAO
Mar 6, 2017, 10:57:51 AM3/6/17
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Dear Mr. Vivek,
Who is conducting this 20-week Webinar Course and where? How to enroll for it, if time is still there for the purpose?On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 7:14 PM, Vivek <amma...@icloud.com> wrote:
Thanks for sharing your insights, Taff.I'm currently doing a 20 week webinar course that is based on her method of teaching. I'm sure I'll learn more along the way.Just very fascinated with it.
Vivek,--Pushpa Dikshit's method of teaching Ashtadhyayi is designed to overcome the limitations of 'the traditional method'.Actually both traditional methods.To better understand Dikshit's third way and its supposed merit, let the lady herself explain what she's about*.
Then seek students, if any, that have duly 'absorbed the entire Ashtadhya' by following her method.
To ask how long it took.
Better still, opt to attend her no cost month long grammar workshop but remember your mosquito repellant!
Regards,
Taff
*https://sites.google.com/site/pushpadikshit1/works
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Mar 15, 2017, 10:37:42 AM3/15/17
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रविवार, 5 मार्च 2017 को 10:42:09 पूर्व UTC-8 को, Nagaraj Paturi ने लिखा:
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सीताराम
Mar 15, 2017, 11:18:47 AM3/15/17
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Some acharyas are coming forwarding and using the technology to teach however their English may not be adequate to offer the teachings to the world.
But to all who can understand Hindi - Here are the two sources, which use Ashtadhyayi method.
Here is teaching of Ashtadhyayi in English
However this method is not same as other two mentioned above.
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सीताराम
Mar 15, 2017, 11:24:17 AM3/15/17
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To answer the original post -
"If her method is so much faster and better and also widely recognized why do many institution continue more traditional teaching methods as starting with Laghu Siddhanta Koumudi etc?"
Dvorak keyboard layout was scientifically designed - just using center row alone one can type about 3000+ words. How many times one really uses ; and ' in a sentence.
This is truly better and faster way to type - then why are we stuck with QWERTY keyboard layout. Well simple answer is society sometimes adopts certain things and is very reluctant to change.
But as always there are few crazy ones who try.
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