absolutly disgraceful

[JD Chase]

Let's not worry about minor crimes like Murder, assault, robbery etc... let's instead arrest people for the horrendous "crime" of playing the guitar in a subway...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBZReXChoA

[RichL]

"JD Chase" <jdcha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2fb06f77-96da-42fe...@googlegroups.com...

When I saw this post, I initially thought it was going to refer to the
subway system in Washington, DC. Not only is it against the law to busk IN
the subway system, apparently there is a radius (pretty large, maybe 100
feet) around the entrances to each station in which it is illegal.

Goofy!

[JD Chase]

In this situation, the man wasn't even breaking the law... the policeman clearly just wanted to exersize his power...

[marcus]

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:29:02 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:
> In this situation, the man wasn't even breaking the law... the policeman clearly just wanted to exersize his power...

Oh c'mon, get real, when do police ever do that ?!?! :-p

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 1:31:50 AM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:
> Let's not worry about minor crimes like Murder, assault, robbery etc... let's instead arrest people for the horrendous "crime" of playing the guitar in a subway...
>
> http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PEBZReXChoA

Since we're on smug, smart asses getting up in cops' faces and trying to show them up, here are a whole bunch more:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8U4Qn6iIIg

[Will Dockery]

On Wednesday, October 22, 2014 6:29:02 PM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:

> In this situation, the man wasn't even breaking the law... the policeman clearly just wanted to exersize his power...

Auburn Alabama police went a bit crazy on my brother Dave in the Hastings (a book/CD/DVD etc. store) parking lot as I browsed inside. Told him to get out of the car, hands on and "assume the position" frisking, asked him if they could search his car, which they did, top-to-bottom, even sniffed in my coffee mug.

Then, the four cars of cops said he was okay, and whizzed back off into the night, no apologies, no offer to buy me another cup of coffee which I had to pour out after a cop had stuck his nose in it.

I came out of Hastings with a copy of Miracleman #12 (Miraclewoman Returns!) and 2-3 used CDs to hear this story, cops long-gone.

Obviously someone in that crowded parking lot had called the cops, or possibly they patrol these areas more heavily, as one cop id explain to Brother Dave that there had been a lot of break-ins of cars in Auburn lately, not to mention the week before an out-of-towner actually hit and run three students after the bif Auburn vs. LSU game

http://www.theplainsman.com/view/full_story/25928529/article-Arrest-made-in-weekend-hit-and-run-after-Auburn-vs--LSU-game?

"According to Auburn Police Chief, Paul Register, an arrest has been made concerning the hit-and-run case that injured three teenagers this past weekend... The hit-and-run occurred on the 600 block of Magnolia Avenue at approximately 1 a.m. on Sunday. Litton struck the victims with his truck while they were walking on the sidewalk hours after the Auburn vs. LSU football game."

Read more: The Auburn Plainsman - Arrest made in weekend hit and run after Auburn vs LSU game

But, as usual, they wasted all their time on the wrong man with Brother Dave while the real crimes just keep on rolling along.

[JD Chase]

I hope you mean "smug, smart asses" as a compliment, Luis! What the cop did was completely horrible and unjustified! When there are real, serious crimes being committed, arresting a musician for playing his guitar in a subway is totally sick and revolting!!!

[gj]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 04:32:25 -0700 (PDT), JD Chase
<jdcha...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> I hope you mean "smug, smart asses" as a compliment, Luis! What the cop did was completely horrible and unjustified! When there are real, serious crimes being committed, arresting a musician for playing his guitar in a subway is totally sick and revolting!!!

Unnecessary and absurd perhaps, but I reserve 'sick and revolting' for
things a bit more dastardly. One must choose carefully what to get
one's panties in a bunch over.

-GJ 2.0

[Just Walkin']

> But, as usual, they wasted all their time on the wrong man with Brother Dave while the real crimes just keep on rolling along.

Auburn, eh?

Lucky for you that your skin color permitted you to get out with your lives. Plenty of bullets fly for some folks even before they smell the coffee.

[luisb...@aol.com]

Like in Ferguson, which you righteously invoked elsewhere? Or: How to Set Back a Cause Decades Via the Giant Lie. Somebody should make a movie about this.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html?tid=pm_pop

[luisb...@aol.com]

So true.


>
> -GJ 2.0

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 7:32:26 AM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:
> I hope you mean "smug, smart asses" as a compliment, Luis! What the cop did was completely horrible and unjustified! When there are real, serious crimes being committed, arresting a musician for playing his guitar in a subway is totally sick and revolting!!!

No, not as a compliment--as a perfectly apt description.

[Will Dockery]

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:23:49 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:

Yeah, funny thing is I never even saw them... while the 4-5 cops were rousting Dave with his hands on the trunk, and while they searched his car up and down asking him lots of questions, one good one:

"What are you doing here in Auburn?"

"My brother is in the Hastings book store."

"Why did you come all the way here, 20 miles, just to go to a book store?

I'm not sure what his reply was but the answer was a simple one I could have given him:

To look at and buy books (and used CDs).

But, to be fair to the cops, who were sure Brother Dave, sitting in his car smoking a cigarette, was there for no good in the crowded parking lot, have had what could be called "a lot" of "theft" incidents in that Glenn Avenue area that Hastings is located in:

http://spotcrime.com/al/auburn

But, really, either way I wouldn't have expected Brother Dave to have been shot by these police, even if he was black or whatever... he apparently followed every direction they gave him, and I'm sure he was "Yes Sir, No Sir" polite with them... but what do I know, I'm only a pawn in their game.

[M. Rick]

The guitar player was clearly standing his ground and was legally allowed to use lethal force on the cop. However he could be fined for any stray bullets that damaged the tiles. MTA code 4.33.2.

[RichL]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:73031907-47ab-4cce...@googlegroups.com...

The sentient beings among us might want to wait for all the evidence to come
out (assuming it will, which isn't a certainty) rather than draw conclusions
from material that's selectively leaked from a grand jury proceeding, which
is supposed to be secret.

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:02:14 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:
> <luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:73031907-47ab-4cce...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:23:49 AM UTC-4, Just Walkin' wrote:
> >> > But, as usual, they wasted all their time on the wrong man with Brother
> >> > Dave while the real crimes just keep on rolling along.
> >>
> >> Auburn, eh?
> >>
> >> Lucky for you that your skin color permitted you to get out with your
> >> lives. Plenty of bullets fly for some folks even before they smell the
> >> coffee.
> >
> > Like in Ferguson, which you righteously invoked elsewhere? Or: How to Set
> > Back a Cause Decades Via the Giant Lie. Somebody should make a movie about
> > this.
> >

--

> http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/new-evidence-supports-officers-account-of-shooting-in-ferguson/2014/10/22/cf38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html?tid=pm_pop
>
> The sentient beings among us might want to wait for all the evidence to come
> out (assuming it will, which isn't a certainty) rather than draw conclusions
> from material that's selectively leaked from a grand jury proceeding, which
> is supposed to be secret.

Give me a friggin' break, RichL. Did anybody wait for all the evidence to come in before threatening the cop's life, marching with hands over their heads, and burning up the town? Did the mass media wait for all the evidence to come in? Did you register disgust with the kangaroo mob justice played out on the tv every night?

[Just Kidding]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 17:02:05 -0400, "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/10/justice-dept-not-happy-with-michael-brown-leaks.html


Dr. Judy Melinek, a forensic expert who was quoted by the
Post-Dispatch saying, “If [Brown] has his hand near the gun when it
goes off, he’s going for the officer’s gun,” also told MSNBC she was
not as certain as she sounded in the article. “You cannot interpret
autopsy reports in a vacuum. You need to do it in the context of the
scene, the investigation and the witness statements,” she told
reporter Trymaine Lee. “Sometimes when you take things out of context
they can be more inflammatory.”

“I’m not saying that Brown going for the gun is the only
explanation. I’m saying the officer said he was going for the gun and
the right thumb wound supports that,” she said. “I have limited
information. It could also be consistent with other scenarios. That’s
the important thing. That’s why the witnesses need to speak to the
grand jury and the grand jury needs to hear all the unbiased testimony
and compare those statements to the physical evidence.”

[gj]

On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery
<will.d...@gmail.com> wrote:

>But, really, either way I wouldn't have expected Brother Dave to have been shot by these police, even if he was black or whatever... he apparently followed every direction they gave him, and I'm sure he was "Yes Sir, No Sir" polite with them... but what do I know, I'm only a pawn in their game.

When was this, recently?

Cops across the board are taking it up a notch. My wife and 13 yr old
son were cruising down GA 400 not so long ago and she got pulled over,
for what she didn't know. He came stomping up to the minivan with his
hand ON HIS WEAPON screaming at the top of his lungs asking why it
took her so long to pull over. After some back and forth on that he
then told her she was going too slow, she was going 50 MPH (in the
slow lane mind you) and he was behind her and not able to pass due to
a double-long semi (2 trailers) in the fast lane. My son, who has
always been taught to respect teachers, cops, etc, then started
getting some questions about why he wasn't in school (it was 4:30pm).
He even asked 'if I check this van out am I going to find anything?'

My wife was in tears and my son can't be convinced cops aren't dicks
now. Essentially she committed no traffic offense, he was just having
road rage (because he couldn't immediately pass her), but what can you
do if it's a cop having the rage? He could have shot both of them,
said he thought she was reaching for an uzi, and the cops would've
said he must have genuinely felt he was at risk, it's how it works
now. And then I'd have to be on damn CNN.

All these PTSD soldiers coming home with military training are getting
into the police force, and as you know, 'cover me' means different
things to cops than it does a marine/soldier.

-GJ 2.0

[Will Dockery]

"gj" <geminij...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4rri4a9a226hc0t82...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 23 Oct 2014 12:07:34 -0700 (PDT), Will Dockery wrote:
>
>>But, really, either way I wouldn't have expected Brother Dave to have been
>>shot by these police, even if he was black or whatever... he apparently
>>followed every direction they gave him, and I'm sure he was "Yes Sir, No
>>Sir" polite with them... but what do I know, I'm only a pawn in their
>>game.
>
> When was this, recently?

Really recently, less than two weeks... must have been a day or two after
October 8th, when the #12th issue of Miracleman was announced as appearing,
which was pretty much the only reason we had to be there, besides my plan of
finding one of the Van Gogh pastiche Dr. Who t-shirts for my daughter, and
the ritual stop for any Auburn trip at Western Sizzlin' for a steak,
nostalgic because this is the only one of those in this area still going,
and also just a mighty fine steak and potato. But I digress...

Yes, this event was just at or less than two weeks ago.

> Cops across the board are taking it up a notch. My wife and 13 yr old
> son were cruising down GA 400 not so long ago and she got pulled over,
> for what she didn't know. He came stomping up to the minivan with his
> hand ON HIS WEAPON screaming at the top of his lungs asking why it
> took her so long to pull over. After some back and forth on that he
> then told her she was going too slow, she was going 50 MPH (in the
> slow lane mind you) and he was behind her and not able to pass due to
> a double-long semi (2 trailers) in the fast lane. My son, who has
> always been taught to respect teachers, cops, etc, then started
> getting some questions about why he wasn't in school (it was 4:30pm).
> He even asked 'if I check this van out am I going to find anything?'
>
> My wife was in tears and my son can't be convinced cops aren't dicks
> now. Essentially she committed no traffic offense, he was just having
> road rage (because he couldn't immediately pass her), but what can you
> do if it's a cop having the rage? He could have shot both of them,
> said he thought she was reaching for an uzi, and the cops would've
> said he must have genuinely felt he was at risk, it's how it works
> now. And then I'd have to be on damn CNN.
>
> All these PTSD soldiers coming home with military training are getting
> into the police force, and as you know, 'cover me' means different
> things to cops than it does a marine/soldier.
>
> -GJ 2.0

There's more that supports what you're saying... in the weeks right before
and after the Auburn Alabama incident at Hastings, a cop stopped, detained,
and even "friendily" questioned Dave, with me riding shotgun when he stopped
us at the Fairgrounds the day before the Fair opened. We were riding through
a couple of times to see what it was looking like, which was dismal, the
smallest fair ever, so it wasn't worth going back to, either way... and
twice, two different cops stopped us to tells us his "tag light" was out,
and both times I had to show them the light /was/ working, just rather
dimly.

All these times the cops ran checks on Brother Dave, and each time let us go
free... do you really think if we were black they'd probably have shot us?
Sure would have been surprised since at all times I know we gave the cop no
reason to.

[marcus]

The DA there circumvented prosecuting a real trial by giving it to a Grand Jury, thus setting the stage for the vindication of a cop. Now, there are leaks coming out of the cop's testimony that counter 6-8 eye witnesses of what happened to Michael Brown

Even if there was a "scuffle" at the police car. We're talking about a cop with a gun firing a shot at an unarmed man from his car The unarmed man goes away from the car, puts his hands in the air to surrender and the cop continues to shoot him.

I think it's called murder.

Marc

[marcus]

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 5:02:14 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:

These leaks from Wilson's "testimony" are designed to soften us up for the inevitable grand jury conclusion that there is not enough evidence to bring him to trial.

[Will Dockery]

"marcus" <marc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:290f6268-22eb-4e24...@googlegroups.com...

I may have posted this here before, but either way it relates to not only this but the current discussion of cop violence in general here tonight...

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.arts.poetry.comments/-r5zxfKFOj4/bAGmGXO297YJ

Last spring we had a local incident, that as far as I know, gained no national attention. I really don't deal much with politics, but I feel that the events that happened here (a man shot in the back by police) were disturbingly similar to the Ferguson events, except almost zero protest.

Check it out, don't just take my word for it.

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/columbus-ga/T19JV5I9FEEMKKDE0

Excessive force? CSU shooting will be judged by precedents on police shootings

Apr 2, 2014 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ledger-Enquirer.com
ROBIN TRIMARCHI rtrim...@ledger-enquirer.com The Columbus State University Police Department headquarters is located at East Lindsey Drive on main campus.

Columbus Insider: You cannot justify shooting a fleeing person in the back when they had not committed a violent crime and their only crime was being in possession of a firearm in a place they shouldn't have been.

David: CSU police are wrong in this shooting.
You just cannot gun someone down for running away from you, there are rules for using deadly force and fleeing, even with a handgun, is not one of them

Debbie: Saw this on the news here and they said he was shot in the back. Hard to point a gun at a cop when you back is to them.
This persons only crime was being in possession of a gun in a place where he wasn't supposed to be and then was trying to run away, hardly a reason to be shot down in the back.

Columbus Insider: Is the GBI investigating this? I sure hope this doesn't get swept under the rug.
I wonder why the race industry has moved on it yet? Where is Sharpton, Jackson and the rest?

More on this story here:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/04/01/3034748/university-identifies-sgt-ben.html

=====================================================================

"...The man a Columbus State University police sergeant fatally shot Sunday afternoon had a loaded pistol as three CSU officers chased and ordered him to stop, the university disclosed Tuesday.

Sgt. Ben Scott, a veteran officer with CSU and the Columbus Police Department, shot and killed Zikarious Jaquan Flint after a student reported seeing someone loading a handgun while sitting in a gazebo near the Courtyard 1 apartments on the main campus, according to the university.

Flint was shot twice -- once in the back and once in the back of the neck -- according to the Muscogee County Coroner. Flint, 20, was not a CSU student..."
================================================

Read more here:
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/2014/04/01/3034748/university-identifies-sgt-ben.html#storylink=cpy

[RichL]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
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The vast majority of protesters in Ferguson were peaceful. The Constitution
ensures "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
Government for a redress of grievances". And what the heck "kangaroo mob
justice" are you talking about? Seems to me, you're the one with the
slanted, knee-jerk reaction.

Oh and by the way, I also counseled patience with respect to the George
Zimmerman case, for what it's worth, when many on my side of the fence were
willing to find him guilty before trial.

[marcus]

I followed a lot coverage of the so-called "mob" and you are correct, it was a mostly peaceful march. After those marchers called it a night, some people arrived from outside the community a couple of nights and caused some trouble, but still it was the police who were the most violent, riding down the streets of Ferguson like the Russians invading Prague in 1968.

[luisb...@aol.com]

-

> The vast majority of protesters in Ferguson were peaceful. The Constitution
> ensures "the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the
> Government for a redress of grievances". And what the heck "kangaroo mob
> justice" are you talking about? Seems to me, you're the one with the
> slanted, knee-jerk reaction.

The vast majority who protested peacefully were having a knee jerk reaction. They were even basing their reaction on an eyewitness who was totally spurious. They didn't wait for the evidence that you're now waiting for before reaching a judgment. They reached their judgment and it became a long-running page one story. There was a lot of theater. Then the rioters arrived.

-

>
> Oh and by the way, I also counseled patience with respect to the George
> Zimmerman case, for what it's worth, when many on my side of the fence were
> willing to find him guilty before trial.

If you counseled patience in the Zimmerman Martin case, you were on the wrong side of history to hear most people tell it. Like somebody once said about freedom of speech in this country, "You can anything. You just can't say something."

[gj]

I was leaving work around midnight in Woodstock one night when I
passed a cop coming toward me from the other direction. Before he
passed me he turned his lights on and pulled me over, said he thought
my brake lights weren't operating correctly. I asked him how he
thought that since he was coming from the other direction and I wasn't
braking. He just started drilling me, asking if I'd been drinking,
smoking pot, etc. Told him 'not yet', and that I was an engineer on
the night shift at etc, etc. When he left he said (by default) 'well
slow it down.' Which was hilarious since we were only cruising about
25 MPH when we met.

At the time I had long beautiful curly hair and an even more beautiful
curly beard, I know that's why I was pulled over.

>All these times the cops ran checks on Brother Dave, and each time let us go
>free... do you really think if we were black they'd probably have shot us?

Doubt it. He must've thought you were one of those wild musicians
coming through town to take all the women.

-GJ 2.0

[DianeE]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:e090201a-392b-4d3b...@googlegroups.com...

On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:42:08 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:

..... Like somebody once said about freedom of speech in this country, "You

can anything. You just can't say something."

-------------------
This literally doesn't make sense. Is there a word or two missing?

DianeE

[luisb...@aol.com]

Nope, all the words are there, Diane. Sorry it doesn't make sense to you. But yes, it makes perfect sense.


>
> DianeE

[Will Dockery]

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:24:00 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:

I thought maybe "do" had been left out?

[M. Rick]

> I thought maybe "do" had been left out?

I think it's missing one "say" - "you can say anything, you just can't say something."

[Earl Browder]

But not quite true to the original words (even apart from the one missing word)--except perhaps in spirit. Or maybe you were quoting someone other than this fellow?

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xaznsy_bob-dylan-julius-ethel_music

"Eisenhower was president, Senator Joe was king
Long as you didn't say nothing you could say anything"

[luisb...@aol.com]

I never heard this song but it's exactly the same idea. (He left out the part about Ethel's dog sister saving her own skin.) I was quoting somebody else.

[earl.bro...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, 26 October 2014 23:05:13 UTC-4, luisb...@aol.com wrote:
>
> I never heard this song but it's exactly the same idea. (He left out the part about Ethel's dog sister saving her own skin.) I was quoting somebody else.

I don't think Ethel Rosenberg had a sister. Do you mean her brother, David Greenglass, who died earlier this year?

[luisb...@aol.com]

I meant her dog sister-in-law, wife of Greenglass, who fingered (so to speak) Ethel.

[DianeE]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0100639c-0e1b-4fe1...@googlegroups.com...

---------------
I give up. What does "You can anything" mean?

DianeE

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Monday, October 27, 2014 6:46:39 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> <luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:0100639c-0e1b-4fe1...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:24:00 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> >> <luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:e090201a-392b-4d3b...@googlegroups.com...
> >> On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:42:08 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:
> >>
> >> ..... Like somebody once said about freedom of speech in this country,
> >> "You
> >> can anything. You just can't say something."
> >>
> > -
> > -------------------
> >> This literally doesn't make sense. Is there a word or two missing?
> >
> > Nope, all the words are there, Diane. Sorry it doesn't make sense to you.
> > But yes, it makes perfect sense.
-
---------------
> I give up. What does "You can anything" mean?

Dylan said the virtually the same thing in his song about the Rosenbergs, as quoted above:

"Long as you didn't say nothing you could say anything"


>

> DianeE

[RichL]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:ede67861-2622-4ad7...@googlegroups.com...

Have you not yet noticed that you omitted the word 'say' when you quoted
this line?

[Will Dockery]

On Monday, October 27, 2014 6:46:39 AM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> <luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:0100639c-0e1b-4fe1...@googlegroups.com...
> > On Saturday, October 25, 2014 2:24:00 PM UTC-4, DianeE wrote:
> >> <luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >> news:e090201a-392b-4d3b...@googlegroups.com...
> >> On Thursday, October 23, 2014 10:42:08 PM UTC-4, RichL wrote:
> >>
> >> ..... Like somebody once said about freedom of speech in this country,
> >> "You
> >> can anything. You just can't say something."
> >>
> > -
> > -------------------
> >> This literally doesn't make sense. Is there a word or two missing?
> >
> > Nope, all the words are there, Diane. Sorry it doesn't make sense to you.
> > But yes, it makes perfect sense.
> ---------------
> I give up. What does "You can anything" mean?
>
> DianeE

He left the word "say" out of the sentence, I think accidentally.

[DianeE]

"Will Dockery" <will.d...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1d6d7963-9f9f-4257...@googlegroups.com...

----------------
Is it "say" or "do?"

DianeE

[luisb...@aol.com]

It's say. "You can say anything. You just can't say something." Or, in the Dylan song, "Long as you didn't say nothing you could say anything"

[DianeE]

<luisb...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:3541cbae-1c01-41f4...@googlegroups.com...

----------------
Okay, thanks.
DianeE

[Just Kidding]

A classic case of much ado about nothing here.

[Will Dockery]

More like "Much about nothing."

Or as Dylan put it:

"Too much of nothing."

[JD Chase]

It's philosphical speculation- what is "something", what is "nothing", is "nothing" something?

[luisb...@aol.com]

-

> > A classic case of much ado about nothing here.
>
> More like "Much about nothing."
>
> Or as Dylan put it:
>
> "Too much of nothing."

I thought Dylan was riffing on Gershwin, "I Got Plenty O' Nuttin'"

[luisb...@aol.com]

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:06:46 AM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:
-

> It's philosphical speculation- what is "something", what is "nothing", is "nothing" something?

Yes, it is. This question was dealt with in 369BC by Plato in Socrates' Theaetetus dialogue.

[marcus]

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:06:46 AM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:

> It's philosphical speculation- what is "something", what is "nothing", is "nothing" something?

I thought Billy Preston settled that question a long time ago.

[Will Dockery]

On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:06:46 AM UTC-4, JD Chase wrote:

> It's philosphical speculation- what is "something", what is "nothing", is "nothing" something?

Reminds me of Billy Preston, the 5th Beatle:

"Nothing from nothing leaves nothing, you gotta have something if you wanna be with me..."

[Will Dockery]

Oh! You beat me to it!

Mr. Spock learned in Star Trek 4 that:

"Nothing unreal exists.", Kiri-kin-tha's First Law of Metaphysics.