LSJ Heart of Nizchetus + Agaitas

tHamas

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:19:47 AM9/21/06

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If i draw a card from your prey's library use Agaitas abillity, can i
put any of those cards in a bottom of my library?

Agaitas, The Scholar of Antiquities, 6, for AUS NEC, Harbingers of
Skulls, 2, [Bloodlines:U2]
Sabbat: Whenever you play a card, you may draw its replacement from
your prey's library instead of your own. Put the card drawn face-up in
front of you. It is still considered to be in your hand, to be played
or discarded as normal.

Heart of Nizchetus [Third:R]
Cardtype: Equipment
Cost: 1 pool
Unique equipment.
During your untap phase, if the bearer is ready, you may draw up to
three cards from your library and then move the same number of cards
from your hand to the bottom of your library.

LSJ

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:38:45 AM9/21/06

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tHamas wrote:
> If i draw a card from your prey's library use Agaitas abillity, can i
> put any of those cards in a bottom of my library?

No. It would go to the bottom of its owner's library.

FC

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:46:09 AM9/21/06

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i think the key phrase is "to be played or discarded as normal." from
agaitas' text.

Putting stuff in the bottom of library (by the heart of any other means)
is not discarding "as normal".

imo anyway :)

Emiliano Imeroni

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:46:03 AM9/21/06

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LSJ wrote:
> tHamas wrote:
> > If i draw a card from your prey's library use Agaitas abillity, can i
> > put any of those cards in a bottom of my library?
>
> No. It would go to the bottom of its owner's library.

But wouldn't it be already impossible to use Agaitas' ability
together with the Heart of Nizchetus in the first place?

"Whenever you *play* a card, you may draw its replacement..."

Emiliano

Emiliano Imeroni

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:48:34 AM9/21/06

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Emiliano Imeroni wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
> > tHamas wrote:
> > > If i draw a card from your prey's library use Agaitas abillity, can i
> > > put any of those cards in a bottom of my library?
> >
> > No. It would go to the bottom of its owner's library.
>
> But wouldn't it be already impossible to use Agaitas' ability
> together with the Heart of Nizchetus in the first place?
>
> "Whenever you *play* a card, you may draw its replacement..."
>

Oh, forget what I just said... I didn't realize that the question
implies having some of my prey's cards in hand thanks to
Agaitas *before* using the Heart at all. Sorry, my bad.

LSJ

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:49:31 AM9/21/06

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Emiliano Imeroni wrote:
> LSJ wrote:
> > tHamas wrote:
> > > If i draw a card from your prey's library use Agaitas abillity, can i
> > > put any of those cards in a bottom of my library?
> >
> > No. It would go to the bottom of its owner's library.
>
> But wouldn't it be already impossible to use Agaitas' ability
> together with the Heart of Nizchetus in the first place?
>
> "Whenever you *play* a card, you may draw its replacement..."

Yes. So you play some card and draw its replacement from your prey's
library. It is now in our hand (but left face up on the table).

Then later you activate the Heart of Nizchetus. You draw some cards
from your library and then choose the ard owned by your prey as one of
the ones you will move to the bottom of your library.

It goes to the bottom of its owner's library instead, since other's
cards can never go to your library (or ash heap or crypt).

LSJ

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Sep 21, 2006, 9:57:06 AM9/21/06

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FC wrote:
> i think the key phrase is "to be played or discarded as normal." from
> agaitas' text.
>
> Putting stuff in the bottom of library (by the heart of any other means)
> is not discarding "as normal".

The key is "as normal", indicating it is treated as any other card in
hand.

James Coupe

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Sep 21, 2006, 6:16:29 PM9/21/06

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In message <eeu50p$bns$1...@news.net.uni-c.dk>, FC <f...@kemi.dtu.dk> writes:
>i think the key phrase is "to be played or discarded as normal." from
>agaitas' text.
>
>Putting stuff in the bottom of library (by the heart of any other
>means) is not discarding "as normal".
>
>imo anyway :)

An interesting thought, but not necessary.

# Cards that go into an ash heap, hand, or library always go
into their owner's ash heap, hand, or library. [RTR 19970425]

[0] In the sense of "started off in that player's library or crypt".

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