[LSJ] Shadow Court Satyr and Reflex

Emiliano Imeroni

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Mar 17, 2006, 10:15:53 AM3/17/06

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Hi,

I searched the newsgroup a bit but couldn't find an
answer to the following question that emerged on the
Italian forum.

Can a Shadow Court Satyr with an Abombwe combat
card (such as Invoking the Beast) put on him use the
Reflex effect of the card?

Card text says:

Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling)
Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed.
When Shadow Court Satyr comes into play, you may
put a combat card from your hand on him. Once during
combat, Satyr may use the ability of that card as if that
card had been played from your hand. If the card has a
cost, he pays its cost in life to use its ability. If the card
requires a Discipline, he may only use the basic ability
of that card as a vampire with a capacity of 1. If the
ability would give him blood, give him life instead.

My intuition would say that he can't, since the "basic
ability" of a combat card should be the inferior combat
effect and not the Reflex one, since "Reflex" is actually
a *different card type*, unrelated to the combat card
the effect appears on.

But an official point of view would be welcome...

Thanks!
Ciao,
Emiliano

LSJ

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Mar 17, 2006, 10:51:01 AM3/17/06

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Emiliano Imeroni wrote:
> Can a Shadow Court Satyr with an Abombwe combat
> card (such as Invoking the Beast) put on him use the
> Reflex effect of the card?
>
> Card text says:
>
> Shadow Court Satyr (Changeling)
> Changeling with 3 life. 1 strength, 1 bleed.
> When Shadow Court Satyr comes into play, you may
> put a combat card from your hand on him. Once during
> combat, Satyr may use the ability of that card as if that
> card had been played from your hand. If the card has a
> cost, he pays its cost in life to use its ability. If the card
> requires a Discipline, he may only use the basic ability
> of that card as a vampire with a capacity of 1. If the
> ability would give him blood, give him life instead.
>
> My intuition would say that he can't, since the "basic
> ability" of a combat card should be the inferior combat
> effect and not the Reflex one, since "Reflex" is actually
> a *different card type*, unrelated to the combat card
> the effect appears on.

Correct. Shadow Court Satyr can only use the combat-card effect.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/e59001a98ae0ba48

johnmeier1

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Mar 17, 2006, 2:19:33 PM3/17/06

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Why hasn't anyone used Shadow Court Satyr with

Eye of Unforgiving Heaven
Combat
[aus][val] Strike: 2R aggravated damage to all vampires, demon allies
and demon retainers in combat. If this striking vampire is burned
during the resolution of this strike, you gain 2 pool.

yet, it seems like a good match.

BURN BABY BURN!

-johnmeier

LSJ

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Mar 17, 2006, 2:25:45 PM3/17/06

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johnmeier1 wrote:
> Why hasn't anyone used Shadow Court Satyr with
>
> Eye of Unforgiving Heaven
> Combat
> [aus][val]

Probably because he couldn't use the multiple-discipline-requiring
effect.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.trading-cards.jyhad/msg/1ad04771a32b5436

Daneel

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Mar 18, 2006, 7:25:58 AM3/18/06

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Yep.

If it would work, the awesome effect would be Martyr's Resilience.
Imagine, having 6 saryrs = up to 6 prevention each combat. ;)

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Bye,

Daneel