Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States

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Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
Tuesday, November 5, 2013
http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of

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This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.



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OLIVER STONE: So, Garrison started to read the whole Warren Commission, and he started to see all the inconsistencies of it, and he started to call in the witnesses. He got into some hot water. The CIA watched this thing very closely. We now know that they had files on Jim. They bugged his offices. They stole the files. They had informants on his staff. It was an impossible case. Three of his witnesses died. Others—others just were not called. They were—the subpoenas were denied, etc. He called Allen Dulles. He called several members of the CIA. That was not allowed.

AMY GOODMAN: Allen Dulles, the head of the CIA.

OLIVER STONE: Yeah, Allen Dulles had been the head of the CIA, had been fired by Kennedy and was the head of the Warren Commission and ran the commission


AMY GOODMAN: And, Oliver Stone, why does this matter 50 years later?

OLIVER STONE: Ah, good question. Good question. What was Kennedy doing? Peter and I address this in a larger text in our Untold History of the United States. A very important president. Keep in mind, this is 13 years after the national security state starts. We are massively armed. Between 1947, Truman, and Eisenhower in 1960, we go from 1,000 nuclear weapons to 30,000 nuclear weapons. By 1960, we are supreme. We are the sole superpower, truly. We have the ability at this point, after many crises with the Soviet Union, many nuclear threats made by Eisenhower—several, five, six—John Foster Dulles believed in brinksmanship—you remember that policy?—taking things to the brink. We called it a containment of communism, but really we were forcing back, rolling back. We were aggressive. We wanted a war, basically, because we knew that the Soviets would arm up after 1960, they would catch up with us eventually. We feared that. They never did, but we feared it. We knew in 1960 that in a first-strike situation we could win, and we could—we could sustain the retaliation. So we had a very hopped-up Pentagon.


AMY GOODMAN: On our Facebook page, Ronan Duggan posted this question to you: "Would you agree that much of the history of JFK has been romanticized and he has been transformed into a sort of liberal hero? The truth is he was a horrific warmonger," said this person on Facebook.

OLIVER STONE: No, no. Kennedy, on the contrary, he did—had to—you could not become president in 1960, I mean, by being soft on communism. You had to be a hardliner. It was the only way to get elected. Yeah, he went to the right of Nixon at that point, true, and—but he did not know the missile gap. He believed the missile gap existed, that was being talked about. When he got into office, within six weeks, he hired Bob McNamara, an outsider from Ford, to be his defense secretary. He had McNamara go into the Pentagon and find out where we were. And he found out that it was all a myth, that in fact we were way ahead of the Soviets, on every level—on every level—and that we could have, unfortunately, a first strike against the Soviet Union. He realized, in that atmosphere, that his generals were up to—were really gearing up for a war, because if they didn’t fight the Soviets in 1960, their thinking was that the Soviets are going to catch up, and we’re going to have these crises in Berlin, Vietnam, Laos for the rest—it will—there will be a war sometime in the near future, by 1970. So they’re thinking about let’s do it, let’s do it now. And you remember the Dr. Strangelove movie about the whole thing about the retaliation? You remember Jack Ripper, the Sterling Hayden character? That’s based on Curtis LeMay, who was the chief of staff of the Air Force, and Thomas Power also, who was later the chief of staff. He was an Air Force general. These people wanted war. Or Arleigh Burke of the Navy, Lemnitzer, who was the chief of the—the head of the whole thing, chief of staff at the beginning. This new book, Bob Dallek, who’s an establishment historian, doesn’t agree with our assassination concept, he goes into detail in Camelot’s Court, this new book, about how Kennedy was fighting, for those years, with the military on all fronts.

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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
> Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
>
> http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
>
>
> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
>

JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development
15Nov MJ Rosenberg
http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/


I’ve been watching some of the Kennedy shows this week and I notice one significant Kennedy effort that never gets mentioned. He was the president to demand that Israel not develop nuclear weapons.

This is how the Jerusalem Post described Kennedy’s actions which are inconceivable given the power of the lobby today.

THE CLASH began in 1960, when the outgoing Eisenhower administration sought an explanation for the mysterious construction near Dimona. It was told that this top-secret activity in the middle of the desert was a harmless textile plant, and no, it could not come and visit. Classified spy photos were then published on the front page of The New York Times (yes, the CIA spied on the Jewish state, with or without forged passports).

When president Kennedy took office in 1961, the disagreement became a full-blown crisis. Like Obama, Kennedy was not inherently hostile (unlike Jimmy Carter), but he did not have a special sympathy for the Jewish people. His advisers urged continuous pressure, assuming that Israel would have no choice but to accept US demands. Every high-level meeting or communication repeated the demand for inspection of Dimona. One form of pressure was to deny Ben-Gurion an invitation to the White House – his May 1961 meeting with Kennedy was a low-key affair at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York, and was dominated by this issue.

In some ways, Israel was far weaker than is the case today. Before 1967, the IDF was not seen as a formidable power, and the economy depended on massive aid from Diaspora Jewry. If the US government were to impose tax restrictions, the costs would have been very high. Ben-Gurion avoided saying no by dancing around them for two years.

Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president warned that unless American inspectors were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated.

But then fate intervened and Kennedy was assassinated probably, in my opinion, because he got in the way of the mob, right-wing Cuban exiles and rogue elements of the CIA. The Israelis were off the hook. Not one of Kennedy’s successors ever even attempted to confront (or even acknowledge) Israel’s nuclear arsenal.

For the record, here is JFK’s letter to Ben Gurion demanding inspection of the Dimona nuclear reactor. Was Kennedy our last president with any guts? Don’t bother answering.

Dear Mr. Prime Minister:

I welcome your letter of May 12 and am giving it careful study.

Meanwhile, I have received from Ambassador Barbour a report of his conversation with you on May 14 regarding the arrangements for visiting the Dimona reactor. I should like to add some personal comments on that subject.

I am sure you will agree that there is no more urgent business for the whole world than the control of nuclear weapons. We both recognized this when we talked together two years ago, and I emphasized it again when I met with Mrs. Meir just after Christmas. The dangers in the proliferation of national nuclear weapons systems are so obvious that I am sure I need not repeat them here.

It is because of our preoccupation with this problem that my Government has sought to arrange with you for periodic visits to Dimona. When we spoke together in May 1961 you said that we might make whatever use we wished of the information resulting from the first visit of American scientists to Dimona and that you would agree to further visits by neutrals as well. I had assumed from Mrs. Meir’s comment that there would be no problem between us on this.

“We are concerned with the disturbing effects on world stability which would accompany the development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel. I cannot imagine that the Arabs would refrain from turning to the Soviet Union for assistance if Israel were to develop a nuclear weapons capability–with all the consequences this would hold. But the problem is much larger than its impact on the Middle East. Development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel would almost certainly lead other larger countries, that have so far refrained from such development, to feel that they must follow suit.

As I made clear in my press conference of May 8, we have a deep commitment to the security of Israel. In addition this country supports Israel in a wide variety of other ways which are well known to both of us. [4-1/2 lines of source text not declassified]

I can well appreciate your concern for developments in the UAR. But I see no present or imminent nuclear threat to Israel from there. I am assured that our intelligence on this question is good and that the Egyptians do not presently have any installation comparable to Dimona, nor any facilities potentially capable of nuclear weapons production. But, of course, if you have information that would support a contrary conclusion, I should like to receive it from you through Ambassador Barbour. We have the capacity to check it.

I trust this message will convey the sense of urgency and the perspective in which I view your Government’s early assent to the proposal first put to you by Ambassador Barbour on April 2.

Sincerely,

John F. Kennedy

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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
> > Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
> >
> > http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> > http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
> >
> >
> > This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
> >
>
>
>
> JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development
> 15Nov MJ Rosenberg
> http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/
>

Avner Cohen - Israel and the Bomb - THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT
http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html


In his public speeches and writings as prime minister Ben Gurion rarely discussed the Holocaust. In private conversations and communications with foreign leaders, however, he returned to the lessons of the Holocaust time and again. In his correspondence with President John F. Kennedy in 1963, he linked Arab enmity to Israel with Hitler's hatred of the Jews, and wrote:

I know that it is difficult for civilized people to visualize such a thing--even after they have witnessed what had happened to us during the Second World War. I do not assume that could happen today or tomorrow. I am not so young anymore, and it may not happen in my lifetime. But I cannot dismiss the possibility that this may occur, if the situation in the Middle East remains as it is, and the Arab leaders continue to insist on and pursue their policy of belligerency against Israel. And it does not matter whether it will or will not happen during my lifetime. As a Jew I know the history of my people, and carry with me the memories of all it has endured over a period of three thousand years, and the effort it has cost to accomplish what has been achieved in this country in recent generations. ... Mr. President, my people have the right to exist, both in Israel and wherever they may live, and this existence is in danger

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On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
> > Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
> >
> > http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> > http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
> >
> >
> > This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
> >
>
>
>
> JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development
> 15Nov MJ Rosenberg
> http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/
>
>
> I’ve been watching some of the Kennedy shows this week and I notice one significant Kennedy effort that never gets mentioned. He was the president to demand that Israel not develop nuclear weapons.
>

Where was Yitzhak Rabin on November 22, 1963 ?

http://tinyurl.com/odt9k7u

http://postimg.org/image/k9h931prf/
http://postimg.org/image/fc3ohxnsb/

[RichA]

Stone is a crackpot.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:59:36 AM UTC-5, RichA wrote:
> Stone is a crackpot.

JFK is a 1991 American political thriller film produced by Oliver Stone
Arnon Milchan.

http://tinyurl.com/n6k7v58

“Confidential: The Life of Secret Agent Turned Hollywood Tycoon Arnon Milchan,”
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/10/inside-story-making-new-book-confidential-life-secret-agent-turned-hollywood/

...We both marveled at how the same man who over the last four decades had emerged as a singular powerhouse in the global film industry with hits like JFK … one of the richest men on the planet, was also a key operative on behalf of Israeli intelligence and arms procurement, something we’d become aware of over the years through vague press reports and rumors in Israel.

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On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States

"...history shows that some issues are so critical that even the president of the United States cannot force Israel’s hand. ...The sharpest example took place almost 50 years ago, when John F. Kennedy demanded that David Ben-Gurion end Israel’s nuclear deterrent program, deemed necessary to ensure Jewish survival in a very hostile world."

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Op-Ed-Contributors/When-Ben-Gurion-said-no-to-JFK

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Bergman: You didn’t think that Arafat should be assassinated.

Peres: No. I thought it was possible to do business with him.

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Assassination wielded as ‘a weapon’
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/rock-center/46318982#46318982

Israel has long used assassination against its enemies, “hoping that by taking out individuals, they can alter, change the course of history,” says Ronen Bergman, an Israeli commentator and author of ... an upcoming book tentatively titled “Mossad and the Art of Assassination.”

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, X6oejyadrITcIJwXH7hT wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:43:23 -0800, thinbluemime2 wrote:
>
> > Where was Yitzhak Rabin on November 22, 1963 ?
>

> Look dude... if your going to start some theory that the israelis
> assassinated JFK.. then just fucking say it! GEEEZ! Already.
>
> I wouldn't it past them if jfk was sticking his nose in their weapons
> program...I think a lot of groups all conspired on this... and I am not
> posting a bunch of links to some how maybe possibly hint to it..
>
> The mafia in concert with CIA (which probably thusly included the
> israelis) and others within the government and defense industries didn't
> like where things were headed and thus killed him.
>
> When you ask for "favors" from these groups they demand repayment!
> Failure to support the cuban overthrow adequately, thus returning the
> casinos to the mafia, increased investigation of mafia activity etc..
> What did the kennedys think? They would just ignore these groups and it
> would all go away? ? RIIIIIIIIIGHHHHHHHHHT that worked so well for others
> in the past...

In 1963 the Israeli leadership had two million reasons to justify the removal of JFK from the Oval Office.
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/Population_of_Israel.html

While this motivation does not implicate the Israelis in a crime, it should instigate inquiries from the main-stream media. It never has, and that in itself is very curious.

[David Johnston]

It's curious that Israel isn't under suspicion for existing?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote:
> On 11/16/2013 2:09 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:36:22 PM UTC-5, X6oejyadrITcIJwXH7hT
> > wrote:
> >> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:43:23 -0800, thinbluemime2 wrote:
> >>
> >>> Where was Yitzhak Rabin on November 22, 1963 ?

> > In 1963 the Israeli leadership had two million reasons to justify the
> > removal of JFK from the Oval Office.
> > http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/Population_of_Israel.html
> >
> > While this motivation does not implicate the Israelis in a crime, it
> > should instigate inquiries from the main-stream media. It never has,
> > and that in itself is very curious.
> >



> It's curious that Israel isn't under suspicion for existing?

I fully understand your position and actually sympathize with the 1963 Israeli position. But I am an American citizen that thinks elected officials (whether we like them or not) should be removed from office by due process, not assassination.
http://gawker.com/5877892/newspaper-editor-israel-should-consider-assassinating-obama

There had to be a better way, because the truth can only be concealed for so long, before the truth comes out, and the blowback begins. When Israel looses it's closest ally, who will Israel run to for protection? France? China?

I hope they have all their ducks in a very neat row.

[David Johnston]

On 11/16/2013 2:36 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, David Johnston
> wrote:
>> On 11/16/2013 2:09 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 2:36:22 PM UTC-5,
>>> X6oejyadrITcIJwXH7hT wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 16 Nov 2013 08:43:23 -0800, thinbluemime2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Where was Yitzhak Rabin on November 22, 1963 ?
>
>
>>> In 1963 the Israeli leadership had two million reasons to justify
>>> the removal of JFK from the Oval Office.
>>> http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/Population_of_Israel.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
While this motivation does not implicate the Israelis in a crime, it
>>> should instigate inquiries from the main-stream media. It never
>>> has, and that in itself is very curious.
>>>
>
>
>
>> It's curious that Israel isn't under suspicion for existing?
>
> I fully understand your position and actually sympathize with the
> 1963 Israeli position. But I am an American citizen that thinks
> elected officials (whether we like them or not) should be removed
> from office by due process, not assassination.
> http://gawker.com/5877892/newspaper-editor-israel-should-consider-assassinating-obama
>
> There had to be a better way, because the truth can only be
> concealed for so long, before the truth comes out,

Actually any secret that can be kept for 50 years, can be kept forever.

[RichA]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 4:15:39 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote:

The Holocaust was the best thing to ever happen to the Jews because thanks to it, and the pity of the West, they got an entire country GIVEN to them because of it. I'd say losing a few million people is more than worth gaining a country.

[David Johnston]

On 11/16/2013 4:16 PM, RichA wrote:

While this motivation does not implicate the Israelis in a crime, it
>>
>>> should instigate inquiries from the main-stream media. It never
>>> has,
>>
>>> and that in itself is very curious.
>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It's curious that Israel isn't under suspicion for existing?
>
> The Holocaust was

<yawn>

[Ubiquitous]

thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

>This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that
>continues to haunt the nation.

And EVERYBODY wants to get in on the act!

I kid you not, I saw an ad for Bob Costas' sports show that will examine
how JFK's assassination affected the Dallas Cowboys.

Really?

--
Q: Why is ObamaCare like a turd?
A: You have to pass it to see what's in it.

[David Johnston]

On 11/16/2013 9:02 PM, Ubiquitous wrote:
> thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that
>> continues to haunt the nation.
>
> And EVERYBODY wants to get in on the act!
>
> I kid you not, I saw an ad for Bob Costas' sports show that will examine
> how JFK's assassination affected the Dallas Cowboys.
>
> Really?
>

...I find myself oddly interested in that. At last a question about the
assassination that hasn't been done to death.

[Irish Mike]

On Nov 5 2013 2:27 PM, thinbluemime2 wrote:

> Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History
of the United States
> Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
>
> http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
>
>
> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to
haunt the nation. On
> November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first
thousand days in office
> when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His
death is marked by still
> unanswered questions. We�ll look back at Kennedy�s life and legacy with our
guest for the hour,
> acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.

Oliver Stone is a left wing loon with about as much credibility as Michael
Moore. If you want a true, factual and complete account of the Death of
Kennedy, read O'Reilly's book, "Killing Kennedy".

Irish Mike

What terrifies Democrats is having to defend Obama's miserable record,
failed economic policies, irresponsible spending, massive debt and lack of
leadership. Which is why they work so hard to encourage hatred and
promote class warfare in this country.

[Michael Black]

On Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Ubiquitous wrote:

> thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that
>> continues to haunt the nation.
>
> And EVERYBODY wants to get in on the act!
>
> I kid you not, I saw an ad for Bob Costas' sports show that will examine
> how JFK's assassination affected the Dallas Cowboys.
>
> Really?
>

What did happen? Did the football games that weekend go on, but not
broadcast? Or were they cancelled?

I thought PBS was a bit early with their programming, yet last night, I
think it was CBS, had something about it in prime time.

It's one of those things that's hard to figure out. His death was awful,
but decades later are we remembering, or is it that old media is remember,
so we feel obligated to go along?

Michael

[Dano]

"Michael Black" wrote in message
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1...@darkstar.example.org...

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Gee. I don't know. But God help us (and I'm NOT particularly religious) if
we reach the point as a country that we DON'T hold the assassination of a
sitting president of such import.

If this is not the height of cynicism...

"Geez...he was JUST the president." "It was decades ago." "What's the big
whoop?"

Damn....

[Barb May]

Irish Mike wrote:
> If you want a true, factual and complete account of
> the Death of Kennedy, read O'Reilly's book, "Killing Kennedy".
>
> Irish Mike

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/killing_kennedy_bill_oreilly_wimps_out/

Once upon a time, Bill O'Reilly had balls when it came to investigating
the Kennedy assassination. Back in 1991 - as a reporter for the tabloid
TV news show, "Inside Edition" - O'Reilly had the guts to track the epic
crime all the way into the dark labyrinth of the CIA. Following up on
the important work done by investigators for the House Select Committee
on Assassinations in the late '70s, O'Reilly boldly told his "Inside
Edition" audience that there were "crucial" links between alleged
assassin Lee Harvey Oswald and the CIA. O'Reilly also reported that the
CIA had infiltrated the office of New Orleans District Attorney Jim
Garrison, who brought the only criminal case in the JFK assassination to
trial, in an effort to sabotage Garrison's investigation.

That was then - when O'Reilly was a scrappy reporter for low-budget
syndicated TV. But now, of course, he's BILL O'REILLY - Fox News icon, a
lavishly paid centerpiece of the Murdoch empire. Everything he says -
every windy pontification and dyspeptic remark - is writ LARGE. He can
no longer afford to have the courage of his suspicions. In O'Reilly's
new ideological mold, the CIA is not the incubator of an unspeakable
crime against American democracy - it's the defender of the greatest
nation in the world.

And so we have the Fox News star's latest instant bestseller, "Killing
Kennedy: The End of Camelot," co-written by Martin Dugard, who
collaborated with O'Reilly on his earlier runaway success, "Killing
Lincoln." There is almost nothing in this Kennedy for Beginners book
that indicates O'Reilly once did some original research on this murky
and still deeply haunting subject. Most of this surprisingly dumbed-down
book is a biographical rehash of the Kennedy story that will contain
nothing new for even casual readers of People magazine and viewers of
Kennedy soap opera biopics over the years. Once again, we get the story
of JFK's PT-109 heroics in the South Pacific; the lurid tales of Jack's
womanizing and Jackie's anguish; the requisite cameos of Sinatra,
Marilyn and the Mob; the familiar snapshots of a deeply disgruntled
Lyndon Johnson, continually humiliated by the Kennedy brothers and their
elite Harvard crowd. None of this is worth the book's $28 price of
admission.

When it comes to the assassination of President Kennedy, these days Bill
O'Reilly embraces the lone nut theory, pinning sole blame on Lee Harvey
Oswald. But his case against Oswald is feeble, and he's obviously still
haunted by the suspicions of the younger, freer Bill O'Reilly. In
"Killing Kennedy," he can't help returning to those earlier suspicions,
in fleeting moments of the book, as if darting a tongue at a nagging
tooth.

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--
Barb

[Tony Calguire]

Michael Black <et...@ncf.ca> wrote in
news:alpine.LNX.2.02.1...@darkstar.example.org:

>>
>> I kid you not, I saw an ad for Bob Costas' sports show that will
>> examine how JFK's assassination affected the Dallas Cowboys.
>>
>> Really?
>>
> What did happen? Did the football games that weekend go on, but not
> broadcast? Or were they cancelled?
>

This was actually a big controversy for a long time. The NFL infamously
chose to carry on with games as scheduled that weekend, and they were
roundly criticized for it, for years afterward.

Most of that went away after 9/11, when the NFL essentially got a "do-
over", and managed to hit every note just right... they cancelled games the
next weekend, shifted the entire schedule by one week, and brought football
back with a lot of flag-waving patriotic flourish. Oh, and they managed to
permanently shift the Super Bowl into February sweeps and extend the
season.

[Tom Benton]

On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 04:39:18 -0800, "Irish Mike"
<ad7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>On Nov 5 2013 2:27 PM, thinbluemime2 wrote:
>
>> Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History
>of the United States
>> Tuesday, November 5, 2013
>> http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
>>
>> http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
>> http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
>>
>>
>> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to
>haunt the nation. On
>> November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first
>thousand days in office
>> when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His
>death is marked by still
>> unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our
>guest for the hour,
>> acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
>
>Oliver Stone is a left wing loon with about as much credibility as Michael
>Moore. If you want a true, factual and complete account of the Death of
>Kennedy, read O'Reilly's book, "Killing Kennedy".
>
>

Or for a more detailed analysis, read Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming
History." Not only that, but Nova had a great show on this earlier
this week.

[Tom Benton]

I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
alone though he may have been influenced by others.

[Dano]

"n32SOZ6b3TmDIWjpVWSfn32SOZ6b3TmDIWjpVWSf" wrote in message
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2013 11:52:31 -0500, Dano wrote:

> Gee. I don't know. But God help us (and I'm NOT particularly
> religious) if we reach the point as a country that we DON'T hold the
> assassination of a sitting president of such import.

I wouldn't hold it of such import if it happened right now today.

jfk and the current occupant /may be(been)/ the president, */but/*
neither was _/my/_ president... meaning one which I would support their
policy(s), programs etc... I don't care for either jfk or the current
occupant. And it is not likely to get much better in 2014 or any time
soon.

> If this is not the height of cynicism...

Neither party or the government from local to federal is taking into
consideration my views, thus I don't care for them, regardless of party.

And if anything, recent events have reinforced the idea to be very
cynical of the government and their policy(s), programs and more than
likely hidden agenda(s).

> "Geez...he was JUST the president." "It was decades ago." "What's the
> big whoop?"

Why don't we have these for McKinley? If not for the Civil War do you
think Lincoln would be any different than McKinley? Probably just another
foot note of a sitting president assassinated..

jfk is only a big deal because of the libturds and their libturb media
friends...

===============================================

Another far right spam-bot troll. Weeding out more every day.

[Dano]

"Tom Benton" wrote in message
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I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
alone though he may have been influenced by others.

==============================================='

Well that settles it then. Thank you for your fine analysis in putting this
whole thing to rest once and for all. Whatta guy!

[suzeeq]

We watched another anaylisis last night, I think it was Travel Channel's
series on coverups. There were some interesting clues that make me
think that Oswald was involved, set up the gun (though the gun that was
found may not have been the one that actually fired the bullets) but did
not pull the trigger and was then supposed to be arrested. His demeanor
after being arrested was pretty calm, too calm - he was either on some
drugs or 'knew' that he'd be released by whoever set him up, though they
weren't going to.

[Tom Benton]

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:26:33 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

It doesn't even "settle" it for me. It is just that the preponderance
of evidence has led me to that conclusion. If you come up with some
stronger evidence to the contrary, I'll listen.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Lisa Pease Dissects the Oswald Myth
14 Nov 2013
http://www.corbettreport.com/interview-774-lisa-pease-dissects-the-oswald-myth/


Today we’re joined by Lisa Pease (Twitter: Lisa Pease), co-author of The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X, to discuss the curious official story of Lee Harvey Oswald, alleged assassin of JFK.

We dissect the myths that the Warren Commission spun about his life and background and examine the truth of his defection to the Soviet Union and his connections to the CIA in greater detail.


-----------

I never realized Kennedy was so dangerous to the establishment. Is that why?

X
(chuckles)
That's the real question, isn't it - "Why?" -
the "how" is just "scenery" for the suckers ...
Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, Mafia, it keeps people
guessing like a parlor game, but it prevents
them from asking the most important question -
Why? Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefitted?
Who has the power to cover it up?

[Jim G.]

David Johnston sent the following on 11/16/2013 3:15 PM:

I'm shocked that thinbluemime would drag Israel into yet another thread.
Shocked, I tell you!

--
Jim G. | A fan of the good and the bad, but not the mediocre
"You know who wears sunglasses inside? Blind people. And douchebags." --
Dean Winchester, SUPERNATURAL

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Chuck Hagel confirmation & AIPAC
Samantha Powell confirmation and AIPAC
Egyptian Military aid and Israel Lobby
Syrian Invasion and AIPAC
Iran Nuclear negotiations and AIPAC

It's almost as if the United States has had a foreign policy coup.

[David Johnston]

Wow. A list of things that have less than nothing to do with Kennedy.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Only if you are unable to comprehend the radical change in direction the US middle eastern foreign policy took after Dealey Plaza.

----------

Trivia Question: How could a nuclear weapon be used as a highly effective political tool, without ever being launched?

[Ubiquitous]

In article <l69o71$nc9$1...@dont-email.me>, davidjo...@block.com
wrote:

Well, you do have a point there.

[Ubiquitous]

et...@ncf.ca wrote:
>On Sat, 16 Nov 2013, Ubiquitous wrote:
>> thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that
>>> continues to haunt the nation.
>>
>> And EVERYBODY wants to get in on the act!
>>
>> I kid you not, I saw an ad for Bob Costas' sports show that will
>> examine how JFK's assassination affected the Dallas Cowboys.
>>
>> Really?
>
>What did happen? Did the football games that weekend go on, but not
>broadcast? Or were they cancelled?

"Duhr, we felt bad when mister president died!"

>It's one of those things that's hard to figure out. His death was
>awful, but decades later are we remembering, or is it that old media
>is remember, so we feel obligated to go along?

I blame the never-ending parade of conspiracy kooks who come out of
woodwork. As for Costas, he's trying to be relevant after he was roundly
mocked for his stupid commentary on guns and the 'Redskins.

[David Johnston]

<snort> Do you seriously think that given the large voting blocs
sympathetic to Israel that existed and the way the Cold War was playing
out that Kennedy's life or death made a lick of difference?

[Dano]

"Tom Benton" wrote in message

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=============================================

Well you DO realize you just contradicted yourself don't you? Words mean
things. What does the word conclude mean?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

When Kennedy was murdered the USG moved from a pursuit of peace toward an even larger military industrial complex.

It's very difficult to covertly steal nuclear materials from a country that is heading toward disarmament as the USG would if Kennedy had not been gunned down. And as you probably already know, Israel's nuclear weapons programs was based on US and French technology and stolen US material stockpiles.

So yes, Kennedy's death radically altered the balance of powers in the middle east, that is very clear to see even in today's headlines.

[David Johnston]

No. It didn't. Even if Kennedy was inclined to try for detente, and he
wasn't, Congress, the media and the voting public would have lost their
collective shit if he'd tried.

>
> It's very difficult to covertly steal nuclear materials from a country that is heading toward disarmament as the USG would if Kennedy had not been gunned down.
>And as you probably already know, Israel's nuclear weapons programs was based on US and French technology and stolen US material stockpiles.

It wasn't "stolen". It was traded under the counter.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Yes he was. Read the text of the speech Kennedy gave on June 10, 1963 at American University, titled 'A Strategy of Peace'. Some Kennedy assassination experts have cited this speech as the nail in Kennedy's coffin among right wing elements in the military and CIA.

> Congress, the media and the voting public would have lost their
> collective shit if he'd tried.

Between the 'duck and cover' drills and the fall-out-shelters built in Cold-War-era American back yards- in the event of a Soviet nuclear strike- the voting public would have embraced a move away from the Cold War and toward detente.

> > It's very difficult to covertly steal nuclear materials from a country that is heading toward disarmament as the USG would if Kennedy had not been gunned down.
> >And as you probably already know, Israel's nuclear weapons programs was based on US and French technology and stolen US material stockpiles.


> It wasn't "stolen". It was traded under the counter.

It was stolen then and it's being stolen today. Under the Symington Agreement, non-signatories of the NPT don't qualify for monetary assistance. Israel has 200 + nukes, never signed the NPT agreement, yet each calender year receives at a minimum 3 billion dollars from the USG. Call it what you like but I call it fraud and theft.

Remember a couple years ago when Obama offered Bibi 20 free F-35's if Israel would stop settlement building for 90 days and Bibi essentially told Barry, "Go f--ck yourself, we ain't stopping the destruction of Palestinian homes, because god said this is our land 3000 years ago"?

That F-35 offer from Obama was illegal under the Symington agreement.

[David Johnston]

On 11/18/2013 5:55 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

>>> When Kennedy was murdered the USG moved from a pursuit of peace
>>> toward an even larger military industrial complex.
>>
>> No. It didn't. Even if Kennedy was inclined to try for detente,
>> and he wasn't,
>
> Yes he was. Read the text of the speech Kennedy gave on June 10, 1963
> at American University, titled 'A Strategy of Peace'. S

Were you somehow unaware that Kennedy was a politician?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Of course Kennedy was a politician with a public and private agenda. Kennedy gained the White House as a Cold War warrior and embraced the military complex until he had McNamara do a USG nuclear war-head count. He realized how the USG had vastly out-gunned the Soviet nuclear arsenal. Then with the conflict over Soviet nukes positioned in Cuba and realizing how close we came to a nuclear exchange, Kennedy had a change of heart and began private communications with Khrushchev. Kennedy started out seemingly a warrior but changed direction.


In 1960, Kennedy was a politician and an unseasoned President. By 1963 he fully realized we all breath the same air and we are all mortal.

[David Johnston]

On 11/18/2013 6:27 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 8:09:20 PM UTC-5, David Johnston wrote:
>> On 11/18/2013 5:55 PM, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>>> When Kennedy was murdered the USG moved from a pursuit of
>>>>> peace toward an even larger military industrial complex.
>>>>
>>>> No. It didn't. Even if Kennedy was inclined to try for
>>>> detente, and he wasn't,
>>>
>>> Yes he was. Read the text of the speech Kennedy gave on June 10,
>>> 1963 at American University, titled 'A Strategy of Peace'. S
>>
>> Were you somehow unaware that Kennedy was a politician?
>
> Of course Kennedy was a politician with a public and private agenda.
> Kennedy gained the White House as a Cold War warrior and embraced the
> military complex until he had McNamara do a USG nuclear war-head
> count. He realized how the USG had vastly out-gunned the Soviet
> nuclear arsenal. Then with the conflict over Soviet nukes positioned
> in Cuba and realizing how close we came to a nuclear exchange,
> Kennedy had a change of heart and began private communications with
> Khrushchev.

And?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

"After the crisis, superpower relations improved, as Kennedy gave a conciliatory speech at American University on June 10, 1963, recognizing the Soviet people's suffering during World War II, and paying tribute to their achievements.[222] Khrushchev called the speech the best by a U.S. president since Franklin Roosevelt, and, in July, negotiated a test ban treaty. Plans for a second Khrushchev-Kennedy summit were dashed by the U.S. President's assassination in November 1963"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikita_Khrushchev#Cuban_crisis_and_test_ban_treaty_.281962.E2.80.931964.29


BUT....there's more. Watch the part of Oliver Stones, "Untold History of the United States" that deals with the Kennedy Admin or pick-up the book by Jim Douglass - JFK and the Unspeakable.

There is a lot more to this story but the bottom line is if Kennedy had not been murdered, Israel would not have been permitted to acquire the nuclear arsenal it has today. The Israeli arsenal upsets the balance of power in the middle east and indirectly threatens the security interests of the United States in ways I won't explore tonight. One other source for you or others that may be silently reading, is a book by Avner Cohen titled, "Israel and the Bomb". Highlights of that book can be found here,
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/israel/
and it's a script that is a better spy thriller than anything I've seen written for TV, and it's not fiction, it is-real :)

[Tom Benton]

On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:09:15 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>

Point well taken. Let me rephrase. So far the evidence I have seen
has led me to believe that Oswald did not act under direction from or
in coordination with any other group. I do not discount the
possibility that he was influenced by some outside group but that is
different from saying he was acting in consort with them. It is hard
for me to accept that any group which has access to professional world
class assassins would allow themselves to be closely linked with the
likes of Oswald and Ruby. From what I have read, the Russians and the
Cubans kept him at arms length and he resented the hell out of it.

[Dano]

"Tom Benton" wrote in message

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==================================================

None of which argues much against the "patsy" theory. The fact that the
Russians and Cubans "kept him at arms length" would indicate something also.
I just don't see how this knucklehead pulls off the job. And how could the
cops let Ruby get that close to Oswald? Not without serious support and
folks looking the other way. I guess your questioning how anyone would
"link" themselves to Ruby does NOT extend to the Dallas police...and
FBI...who certainly should have been interested in questioning the suspect
too? Not evidence mind you. Just the overwhelming feeling that something
has always been covered up. Because it was. There IS evidence for that.
Sealed files anyone? For how much longer? Even the Kennedy family went
along with it. For the good of the nation perhaps? If just the lingering
doubts haven't done harm to the trust in our government...imagine learning
that powers behind the scenes actually control the government. Or even have
it appear that way.

[suzeeq]

The FBI agents thought he was part of the press, some of the local cops
knew him, but probably just thought he was a looky loo. Or maybe the
ones transporting Oswald didn't know Ruby and also thought he was a
reporter. It was open to the press so they could all parade their
suspect in front of the world as they were patting themselves on the
back "look, we got the guy who shot the president".

> I guess your questioning how anyone would
> "link" themselves to Ruby does NOT extend to the Dallas police...and
> FBI...who certainly should have been interested in questioning the suspect
> too? Not evidence mind you. Just the overwhelming feeling that something
> has always been covered up. Because it was. There IS evidence for that.
> Sealed files anyone? For how much longer? Even the Kennedy family went
> along with it. For the good of the nation perhaps? If just the lingering
> doubts haven't done harm to the trust in our government...imagine learning
> that powers behind the scenes actually control the government. Or even have
> it appear that way.

Yeah, if those files are ever opened, it's going to blow a lot of
assumptions out of the water.

[Dano]

"suzeeq" wrote in message news:l6gbck$koi$1...@dont-email.me...

==============================================

I've read and heard that he was VERY well known among the local cops. And a
known underworld figure in fact. To let him anywhere near this scene was a
horrible lapse...even IF you think it wasn't actually deliberate. I'm
guessing JFK did NOT have a particularly big fan club among the Dallas
police.

[Michael Black]

I mentioned earlier that I had just read that they announced that they
were moving Oswald, and gave the time and place, making it so easy for the
public to attend. Ruby may not have been the only general citizen there.
And as I mentioned, we've seen that sort of scenario repeat on shows like
the CSIs and the L&Os, too many suspects being shot or killed because the
cops take the suspect out the front door.


Michael

[Jim G.]

David Johnston sent the following on 11/18/2013 4:32 PM:

Who cares about Kennedy? IT'S ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, DAMMIT!!!!!!

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

"Evidence of Revision" is a 6 part series, the first of which is about the Kennedy assassination and contains tons of b&w archival news footage. Ruby was all over the Dallas Police Building at least a day before he shot Oswald. Ruby was at a news conference with one of the Dallas officials, asked a question during the conference, and had identified himself as a member of the Jewish press.

To confirm what I tell you is true, google search, download and watch the first part of EoR, fascinating archival footage.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 3:27:08 PM UTC-5, Jim G. wrote:


> Who cares about Kennedy? IT'S ALL ABOUT ISRAEL, DAMMIT!!!!!!

‘I did it for the Jewish people.’


Lee Harvey Oswald's Killer 'Jack Ruby' Came From Strong Jewish Background
By Steve North November 17, 2013
http://forward.com/articles/187793/lee-harvey-oswalds-killer-jack-ruby-came-from-stro/?p=all




Silverman spoke to his Sunday morning confirmation class, expressing relief to the students that Lee Harvey Oswald was not Jewish or there might have been a “pogrom” in Dallas. He then switched on the radio and heard that a “Jack Rubenstein” had killed the assassin.

“I was shocked,” said Silverman. “I visited him the next day in jail, and I said, ‘Why, Jack, why?’ He said, ‘I did it for the American people.’”

I interrupted Silverman, pointing out that other reports had Ruby saying he did it “to show that Jews had guts.” The rabbi sighed.

“Yes, he mentioned that,” Silverman said. “But I don’t like to mention it. I think he said, ‘I did it for the Jewish people.’

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 11:40:34 AM UTC-5, Dano wrote:



> Sealed files anyone? For how much longer? Even the Kennedy family went
> along with it. For the good of the nation perhaps?

Robert F. Kennedy Jr., nephew of the president and son of his Attorney General, has called the Douglass version the best book on the subject.

In a remarkably under-noticed public conversation in Dallas last January — hosted by Charlie Rose of PBS, but not broadcast

— RFK Jr. recounted his father’s view that the Warren Commmission inquiry on JFK’s assassination “was a shoddy piece of craftsmanship.” Further, he said, the Kennedy family long ago rejected the official finding that Lee Harvey Oswald was the “lone assassin.” His father was “fairly convinced,” said RFK Jr., that others were involved. “Organized crime, Cubans?” Charlie Rose asked.

“Or rogue CIA,” RFK Jr. answered.

http://www.radioopensource.org/james-douglass-jfk-and-the-unspeakable-part-two/

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Benton wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:26:33 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >"Tom Benton" wrote in message
> >news:q4qi89la51bb2tbjj...@4ax.com...
> >
> >
> >I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
> >just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
> >preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
> >alone though he may have been influenced by others.
> >
> >==============================================='
> >
> >Well that settles it then. Thank you for your fine analysis in putting this
> >whole thing to rest once and for all. Whatta guy!
>
>
> It doesn't even "settle" it for me. It is just that the preponderance
> of evidence has led me to that conclusion. If you come up with some
> stronger evidence to the contrary, I'll listen.

Oswald’s Rifle and Paraffin Tests
http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-rifle-and-paraffin-tests


The absence of significant quantities of residues on Oswald’s cheek meant that he almost certainly had not fired a rifle that day.


Oswald’s Involvement in the Assassination

Although Lee Oswald was strongly associated with the rifle and bullet shells that were discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD, it is extremely unlikely that he fired that rifle on the day of the assassination. The only realistic conclusion is that the evidence was planted, and that he had been framed.

[Tom Benton]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), thinbl...@gmail.com
wrote:

I'll follow up on that. Thanks. However, I still have to deal with the
evidence that he bought such an unusual weapon. And the "curtain
rods" were never found as far as I know which leads me think that he
brought the gun into the depository. He was also last seen in the
room from which the shots took place. No one else was seen entering or
leaving the depository either. But I will double check your source.

[Ed Stasiak]

> David Johnston

>
> Do you seriously think that given the large voting blocs sympathetic to
Israel that existed

What large sympathetic voting blocks?

The Born Again Christian movement wasn't pro-Israel back then, in fact
they were as hostile
towards Jews as they were towards Catholics and other non-fundies and
while post-WWII Americans
in general were more sympathetic towards Jews then had been prior to the
war due to the Holocaust,
anti-Semitism was still open and acceptable (i.e. Jews being banned from
country clubs and such).

[suzeeq]

Tom Benton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), thinbl...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Benton wrote:
>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:26:33 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tom Benton" wrote in message
>>>> news:q4qi89la51bb2tbjj...@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
>>>> just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
>>>> preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
>>>> alone though he may have been influenced by others.
>>>>
>>>> ==============================================='
>>>>
>>>> Well that settles it then. Thank you for your fine analysis in putting this
>>>> whole thing to rest once and for all. Whatta guy!
>>>
>>> It doesn't even "settle" it for me. It is just that the preponderance
>>> of evidence has led me to that conclusion. If you come up with some
>>> stronger evidence to the contrary, I'll listen.

>> Oswald�s Rifle and Paraffin Tests
>> http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-rifle-and-paraffin-tests
>>
>>
>> The absence of significant quantities of residues on Oswald�s cheek meant that he almost certainly had not fired a rifle that day.
>>
>>
>> Oswald�s Involvement in the Assassination

>>
>> Although Lee Oswald was strongly associated with the rifle and bullet shells that were discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD, it is extremely unlikely that he fired that rifle on the day of the assassination. The only realistic conclusion is that the evidence was planted, and that he had been framed.
>
>
> I'll follow up on that. Thanks. However, I still have to deal with the
> evidence that he bought such an unusual weapon. And the "curtain
> rods" were never found as far as I know which leads me think that he
> brought the gun into the depository. He was also last seen in the
> room from which the shots took place.

No, he was last seen in the lunchroom of the building, about a minute or
so after the shots were fired.

[Tom Benton]

On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:30:26 -0700, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:

>Tom Benton wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), thinbl...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Benton wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:26:33 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Tom Benton" wrote in message
>>>>> news:q4qi89la51bb2tbjj...@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
>>>>> just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
>>>>> preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
>>>>> alone though he may have been influenced by others.
>>>>>
>>>>> ==============================================='
>>>>>
>>>>> Well that settles it then. Thank you for your fine analysis in putting this
>>>>> whole thing to rest once and for all. Whatta guy!
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't even "settle" it for me. It is just that the preponderance
>>>> of evidence has led me to that conclusion. If you come up with some
>>>> stronger evidence to the contrary, I'll listen.

>>> Oswald’s Rifle and Paraffin Tests
>>> http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-rifle-and-paraffin-tests
>>>
>>>
>>> The absence of significant quantities of residues on Oswald’s cheek meant that he almost certainly had not fired a rifle that day.
>>>
>>>
>>> Oswald’s Involvement in the Assassination

>>>
>>> Although Lee Oswald was strongly associated with the rifle and bullet shells that were discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD, it is extremely unlikely that he fired that rifle on the day of the assassination. The only realistic conclusion is that the evidence was planted, and that he had been framed.
>>
>>
>> I'll follow up on that. Thanks. However, I still have to deal with the
>> evidence that he bought such an unusual weapon. And the "curtain
>> rods" were never found as far as I know which leads me think that he
>> brought the gun into the depository. He was also last seen in the
>> room from which the shots took place.
>
>No, he was last seen in the lunchroom of the building, about a minute or
>so after the shots were fired.
>
>

Thanks for saying that, Suzeeq. Upon reflection, I recall that the
cops came into the building and saw him and let him go because a
co-worker said he worked there. They were looking for someone who
had snuck in for some reason.

He was the only one not in the lunch room ( I believe that was where
they were) at the time of the shooting. He was also the only one to
leave the building immediately after the shooting.

Understand, I am just recounting what I have read/heard. Let's not
get personal here.

[suzeeq]

Tom Benton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:30:26 -0700, suzeeq <su...@imbris.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom Benton wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:49:14 -0800 (PST), thinbl...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Monday, November 18, 2013 1:31:57 PM UTC-5, Tom Benton wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 18 Nov 2013 12:26:33 -0500, "Dano" <janea...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Tom Benton" wrote in message
>>>>>> news:q4qi89la51bb2tbjj...@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I read this book and Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History". Not only that, I
>>>>>> just saw the recent Nova piece on the assassination. The
>>>>>> preponderance of evidence still leads me to conclude Oswald acted
>>>>>> alone though he may have been influenced by others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ==============================================='
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well that settles it then. Thank you for your fine analysis in putting this
>>>>>> whole thing to rest once and for all. Whatta guy!
>>>>> It doesn't even "settle" it for me. It is just that the preponderance
>>>>> of evidence has led me to that conclusion. If you come up with some
>>>>> stronger evidence to the contrary, I'll listen.

>>>> Oswald�s Rifle and Paraffin Tests
>>>> http://22november1963.org.uk/oswald-rifle-and-paraffin-tests
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The absence of significant quantities of residues on Oswald�s cheek meant that he almost certainly had not fired a rifle that day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Oswald�s Involvement in the Assassination

>>>>
>>>> Although Lee Oswald was strongly associated with the rifle and bullet shells that were discovered on the sixth floor of the TSBD, it is extremely unlikely that he fired that rifle on the day of the assassination. The only realistic conclusion is that the evidence was planted, and that he had been framed.
>>>
>>> I'll follow up on that. Thanks. However, I still have to deal with the
>>> evidence that he bought such an unusual weapon. And the "curtain
>>> rods" were never found as far as I know which leads me think that he
>>> brought the gun into the depository. He was also last seen in the
>>> room from which the shots took place.
>> No, he was last seen in the lunchroom of the building, about a minute or
>> so after the shots were fired.
>>
>>
> Thanks for saying that, Suzeeq. Upon reflection, I recall that the
> cops came into the building and saw him and let him go because a
> co-worker said he worked there. They were looking for someone who
> had snuck in for some reason.
>
> He was the only one not in the lunch room ( I believe that was where
> they were) at the time of the shooting. He was also the only one to
> leave the building immediately after the shooting.
>
> Understand, I am just recounting what I have read/heard. Let's not
> get personal here.

No problem. I was recounting what I saw on a TV show about the
assassination last weekend.

[David Johnston]

On 11/20/2013 2:13 PM, Ed Stasiak wrote:
>> David Johnston
>>
>> Do you seriously think that given the large voting blocs sympathetic to
> Israel that existed
>
> What large sympathetic voting blocks?
>
> The Born Again Christian movement wasn't pro-Israel back then, in fact
> they were as hostile
> towards Jews

The attitudes of Christian zionists toward Israel and toward Jews are
separate issues.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Kennedy and Israel: The turning point
Friday November 22, 2013
http://www.israelhayom.com/site/newsletter_article.php?id=13529


-EXCERPT-


After the Cuban Missile Crisis in 1962, President Kennedy was very sensitive to the issue of nuclear weapons and the danger they posed. This caused a steadily-escalating conflict with Israel. The crisis took the form of a series of personal letters to Ben-Gurion that were sent from the White House in the spring and early summer of 1963, letters that grew sharper in terms of their content and the threats they contained.


Only 24 hours after Kennedy wrote the toughest letter of all, Ben-Gurion resigned, passing the burden of dealing with the American pressure to his successor, Levi Eshkol. After Eshkol began his term as prime minister, the tension between Washington and Jerusalem on this loaded subject eased slightly but the basic differences of opinion over the number and frequency of the visits to Dimona continued to cast a pall over American-Israeli relations during the last months of Kennedy’s life.


The shots that were fired from Lee Harvey Oswald’s rifle took the nuclear issue off the agenda in one fell swoop. Although it would resurface during the Johnson era (particularly in relation to other arms deals), it would never again be the focus of presidential attention or the source of such sharp conflict. Indeed, in a complete departure from his predecessor’s policy, Lyndon Johnson’s world view and priorities would quickly lead to the expansion and upgrading of the U.S.’s strategic cooperation with Israel.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

That's the real question, isn't it - "Why?" -

the "how" is just "scenery" for the suckers ...
Oswald, Ruby, Cuba, Mafia, it keeps people
guessing like a parlor game, but it prevents
them from asking the most important question -


Why?

Why was Kennedy killed?

Who benefited?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/ewlDKAHIVxI/rTi3MmWbTsoJ

Who has the power to cover it up?
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/Jp__3gwfKw4/ntO0M0JPJtwJ

[Dano]

wrote in message
news:dca9ebc2-648d-4ecf...@googlegroups.com...

On Friday, November 22, 2013 9:34:29 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, November 18, 2013 9:31:20 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

================================================

You REALLY enjoy the sound of your own voice don't you?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

The vast majority of voices I have cited have been Jewish or Israeli. Here is another


http://www.israelhayom.com
Owner Sheldon Adelson
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/tL_ZnMZFryM/46gpurTs0bAJ

Sheldon Adelson: Attack Iran with an atomic bomb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sCW4IasWXc

[Dano]

wrote in message
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On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:15:03 PM UTC-5, Dano wrote:
> wrote in message
> news:dca9ebc2-648d-4ecf...@googlegroups.com...
>
> On Friday, November 22, 2013 9:34:29 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, November 18, 2013 9:31:20 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com
> > wrote:



> You REALLY enjoy the sound of your own voice don't you?

The vast majority of voices I have cited have been Jewish or Israeli. Here
is another

========================================================

The point is...you're talking to yourself. Most are simply bypassing your
nonsense. As I will now return to doing.

But do "put this on the record" as you think you're doing by cutting and
pasting and posting links. You're doing a fine service for humanity.

[Ed Stasiak]

> Dano

>
> The point is...you're talking to yourself. Most are simply bypassing your
> nonsense. As I will now return to doing.

Speak for yourself, I always check out thinbluemime2's posts even if I
don't
always reply to them.

> But do "put this on the record" as you think you're doing by cutting and
> pasting and posting links. You're doing a fine service for humanity.

As opposed to the service you're providing? Nobody is forcing you to read
the threads, so why complain about them?

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
> Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
>
> http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
>
>
> This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions.



anniversary should be commemorated as "National Ignorance Day"
Government secrecy multiplied by media failure
by Grant F. Smith, IRmep
http://irmep.org/jfk.htm



The fiftieth anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy is largely being trivialized in elite U.S. corporate media. Regardless of what one thinks of JFK's legacy, one significant outcome to his killing should be better understood. Sixty-one percent of Americans do not believe the official government line that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman. The passage of time has brought this public distrust barometer down from previous highs of eighty-one percent. Outside the beltway, the burning question is not why so many Americans disbelieve official government explanations but whether secrecy also drives their contempt of the big media outlets that loudly trumpet them. Since 1997, close to half of Americans also consistently distrust the fundamental accuracy of news industry output.

Perhaps unhappy with this situation, elites in key gatekeeper positions predictably blame the victim. Ken Feinberg, chair of the JFK Library Foundation, citing similar views in the New York Times put it this way on C-SPAN on November 17, 2013. "...It's human nature that people will want to question that this pathetic loser [Lee Harvey Oswald]...could have pulled off the crime of the century." Over at NPR's Morning Edition on November 18, veteran court reporter Cokie Roberts, while weirdly making the JFK assassination story largely about herself, agreed that JFK shocked Americans into grasping for a deeping meaning, quipping "Americans had a very hard time accepting that [The Warren Commission] conclusion...it's just hard to accept that something so momentous was something so small. One off-balance young man instead of a major plot. So people keep looking for more meaning in that awful event fifty years later."

Perhaps without realizing it, Feinberg and Roberts offer precisely the kind of elite testimony that fuels suspicion rather than dousing it. The JFK Presidential Library archives overseen by Feinberg have long refused to release key CIA and other files that would precisely explain the intelligence operation division's unsavory connections to and knowledge about Oswald. It is now clear that the CIA appointed an information liaison—undercover officer George Joannides—to congressional investigators. Joannides was so severely conflicted it is now obvious that he should have been an object investigations rather than its information gatekeeper. Feinberg's National Archives administered library will not release or discuss these CIA files, and they have never been brought before the ISCAP panel to overrule CIA intransigence. Cokie Roberts seemingly cannot admit that her congressman father, who served on the Warren Commission, may have been duped rather than victorious in getting to the bottom of the assassination.

So what does lingering secrecy about JFK have to do with Middle East policy formulation? Americans researching key policies that were made possible only by Kennedy's early departure well understand that information privation and spin is the norm. The CIA in particular, and by extension the National Archives, keep vast and ever-growing troves of secrets away from Americans that make the quantity withheld by the JFK NARA library on the assassination pale in comparison.


Secret file release would fundamentally improve governance at the cost of exposing corrupt policies that political elites would rather not answer for or revisit. However, they cover many dates and many subject areas, from Israel's theft of U.S. nuclear materials to the Kennedy brothers failed bid to register and regulate Israel lobbying organizations. The common origin of some of America's worst regional policies is the void created by the JFK assassination.

That is why all Americans should commemorate every November 22. Not to applaud the death of a U.S. president, but as a cynical Bronx cheer to the army of bureaucrats, politicians and media pundits who work so hard to withhold facts, shape the resulting flawed narrative and smear unbelievers.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:29:37 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:

> On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
> > > Tuesday, November 5, 2013
> > > http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
> > >
> > > http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
> > > http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
> > >
> > >

> > > This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We’ll look back at Kennedy’s life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development
> > 15Nov MJ Rosenberg
> > http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/
> >
>
>
> Avner Cohen - Israel and the Bomb - THE EXISTENTIAL THREAT
> http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/c/cohen-israel.html
>
>
> In his public speeches and writings as prime minister Ben Gurion rarely discussed the Holocaust. In private conversations and communications with foreign leaders, however, he returned to the lessons of the Holocaust time and again. In his correspondence with President John F. Kennedy in 1963, he linked Arab enmity to Israel with Hitler's hatred of the Jews

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/tL_ZnMZFryM/tU-yHCx24TAJ



"There's a very surprising series of letters between Kennedy and David Ben-Gurion not only the Prime Minister of Israel, but the founder of Israel in which there are very angry letters which Kennedy is saying to Ben Gurion, 'I'm killing myself trying to get a nuclear test ban treaty. I've even got De Gaulle on board, and that's impossible, and you keep testing in Dimona. You've got to stop.'

Ben Gurion in so many words says it's easy for you to say sitting in Hyannis Port, I'm sitting with the Arabs all around me and you want me to give up nuclear testing. And Kennedy threatens him, and he threatens him in such a way that Ben Gurion resigns.

And I will tell you that I found articles not in any crack-pot publication, but in very sophisticated publications saying forget Lyndon Johnson, forget the CIA, forget Fidel Castro, the Mossad killed Kennedy because they were so upset over what he did to Ben Gurion. So you know we have a few bombshells we throw in there, not proven." - Historian Martin Sandler

begins around 51 minute mark




Book Discussion on The Letters of John F. Kennedy
Nov 6, 2013 John F. Kennedy Hyannis Museum
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/TheLet


Historian Martin Sandler talked about his book, The Letters of John F. Kennedy, in which he presents a collection of President John F. Kennedy’s personal correspondences. The letters include Kennedy’s private notes and political communiques, from letters sent to his parents from boarding school to secret missives to Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev during the Cold War. Martin Sandler spoke at the John F. Kennedy Museum in Hyannis, Massachusetts.


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http://tryimg.com/4/bookd.jpg

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/tL_ZnMZFryM/tU-yHCx24TAJ

> “Or rogue CIA,” RFK Jr. answered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_A._McCone#Atomic_Energy_Commission

In 1958, John A. McCone became chairman of the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission. According to journalist Seymour Hersh, in December 1960, while still Atomic Energy Commission chairman, McCone revealed CIA information about Israel's Dimona nuclear weapons plant to the New York Times. Hersh writes that President John F. Kennedy was "fixated" on the Israeli nuclear weapons program and appointed McCone CIA director in part because of his willingness to deal with this and other nuclear weapons issues - and despite the fact that McCone was a Republican.

After the disaster of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, president John F. Kennedy forced the resignation of the CIA director Allen Dulles and some of his staff. McCone replaced Dulles on November 29, 1961.

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

On Saturday, November 16, 2013 11:12:00 AM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 1:27:03 PM UTC-5, thinbl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Oliver Stone on 50th Anniversary of JFK Assassination & the Untold History of the United States
>
> > Tuesday, November 5, 2013
>
> > http://www.democracynow.org/2013/11/5/oliver_stone_on_50th_anniversary_of
>
> >
>
> > http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2013-1105.mp4
>
> > http://traffic.libsyn.com/democracynow/dn2013-1105-1.mp3
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > This month marks the 50th anniversary of an assassination that continues to haunt the nation. On November 22nd, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was hardly past his first thousand days in office when he was fatally shot as his motorcade passed through Dallas, Texas. His death is marked by still unanswered questions. We'll look back at Kennedy's life and legacy with our guest for the hour, acclaimed film director Oliver Stone.
>
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development
>
> 15Nov MJ Rosenberg
>
> http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/
>
>
>
>
>

> I've been watching some of the Kennedy shows this week and I notice one significant Kennedy effort that never gets mentioned. He was the president to demand that Israel not develop nuclear weapons.
>
>
>
> This is how the Jerusalem Post described Kennedy's actions which are inconceivable given the power of the lobby today.
>
>
>
> THE CLASH began in 1960, when the outgoing Eisenhower administration sought an explanation for the mysterious construction near Dimona. It was told that this top-secret activity in the middle of the desert was a harmless textile plant, and no, it could not come and visit. Classified spy photos were then published on the front page of The New York Times (yes, the CIA spied on the Jewish state, with or without forged passports).
>
>
>
> When president Kennedy took office in 1961, the disagreement became a full-blown crisis. Like Obama, Kennedy was not inherently hostile (unlike Jimmy Carter), but he did not have a special sympathy for the Jewish people. His advisers urged continuous pressure, assuming that Israel would have no choice but to accept US demands. Every high-level meeting or communication repeated the demand for inspection of Dimona. One form of pressure was to deny Ben-Gurion an invitation to the White House - his May 1961 meeting with Kennedy was a low-key affair at the Waldorf Astoria Hotel in New York, and was dominated by this issue.
>
>
>
> In some ways, Israel was far weaker than is the case today. Before 1967, the IDF was not seen as a formidable power, and the economy depended on massive aid from Diaspora Jewry. If the US government were to impose tax restrictions, the costs would have been very high. Ben-Gurion avoided saying no by dancing around them for two years.
>
>
>
> Finally, Kennedy had enough, and in a personal letter dated May 18, 1963, the president warned that unless American inspectors were allowed into Dimona (meaning the end of any military activities), Israel would find itself totally isolated.
>
>
>
> But then fate intervened and Kennedy was assassinated probably, in my opinion, because he got in the way of the mob, right-wing Cuban exiles and rogue elements of the CIA. The Israelis were off the hook. Not one of Kennedy's successors ever even attempted to confront (or even acknowledge) Israel's nuclear arsenal.
>
>
>
> For the record, here is JFK's letter to Ben Gurion demanding inspection of the Dimona nuclear reactor. Was Kennedy our last president with any guts? Don't bother answering.
>
>
>
> Dear Mr. Prime Minister:
>
>
>
> I welcome your letter of May 12 and am giving it careful study.
>
>
>
> Meanwhile, I have received from Ambassador Barbour a report of his conversation with you on May 14 regarding the arrangements for visiting the Dimona reactor. I should like to add some personal comments on that subject.
>
>
>
> I am sure you will agree that there is no more urgent business for the whole world than the control of nuclear weapons. We both recognized this when we talked together two years ago, and I emphasized it again when I met with Mrs. Meir just after Christmas. The dangers in the proliferation of national nuclear weapons systems are so obvious that I am sure I need not repeat them here.
>
>
>
> It is because of our preoccupation with this problem that my Government has sought to arrange with you for periodic visits to Dimona. When we spoke together in May 1961 you said that we might make whatever use we wished of the information resulting from the first visit of American scientists to Dimona and that you would agree to further visits by neutrals as well. I had assumed from Mrs. Meir's comment that there would be no problem between us on this.
>
>
>
> "We are concerned with the disturbing effects on world stability which would accompany the development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel. I cannot imagine that the Arabs would refrain from turning to the Soviet Union for assistance if Israel were to develop a nuclear weapons capability-with all the consequences this would hold. But the problem is much larger than its impact on the Middle East. Development of a nuclear weapons capability by Israel would almost certainly lead other larger countries, that have so far refrained from such development, to feel that they must follow suit.
>
>
>
> As I made clear in my press conference of May 8, we have a deep commitment to the security of Israel. In addition this country supports Israel in a wide variety of other ways which are well known to both of us. [4-1/2 lines of source text not declassified]
>
>
>
> I can well appreciate your concern for developments in the UAR. But I see no present or imminent nuclear threat to Israel from there. I am assured that our intelligence on this question is good and that the Egyptians do not presently have any installation comparable to Dimona, nor any facilities potentially capable of nuclear weapons production. But, of course, if you have information that would support a contrary conclusion, I should like to receive it from you through Ambassador Barbour. We have the capacity to check it.
>
>
>
> I trust this message will convey the sense of urgency and the perspective in which I view your Government's early assent to the proposal first put to you by Ambassador Barbour on April 2.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
> John F. Kennedy

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/tL_ZnMZFryM/tU-yHCx24TAJ

JFK Was First & Last President To Oppose Israeli Nuclear Development

mjayrosenberg.wordpress.com is no longer available.

Seems for whatever reason Rosenberg removed his wordpress blog, complete with scathing criticism of the State of Israel. These things often happen. Fortunately Rosenberg's blog entry on the contentious relationship between Kennedy and Gurion surrounding Israel's nuclear weapons ambitions has been preserved at archive.org, at this link:

http://web.archive.org/web/20131201235815/http://mjayrosenberg.com/2013/11/15/jfk-was-first-last-president-to-oppose-israeli-nuclear-development/

https://twitter.com/lisapease/status/405522940206145536

[thinbl...@gmail.com]

Israel_ Security, 1961-1963 - John F. Kennedy Presidential Library & Museum
Download and unzip:
http://easyfilestorage.com/J7





Original documents here:

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKPOF-119-017.aspx

Title:
Israel: Security, 1961-1963

Date(s) of Materials:
30 January 1961-2 October 1963

Extent:
128 digital pages

Description:
This folder contains material collected by the office of President John F. Kennedy's secretary, Evelyn Lincoln, concerning Israel. Materials concern Israel's atomic energy activities, inspections by the United States at the nuclear facility at Dimona, and a meeting between President Kennedy and Special Representative Dr. Joseph Johnson of the Palestine Conciliation Commission. Of note is correspondence between President Kennedy and Prime Minister of Israel David Ben-Gurion regarding Arab-Israeli relations.


Series Name:
Countries.

Series Number:
09.

Collection:
Papers of John F. Kennedy. Presidential Papers. President's Office Files.

Contributor:
Ben-Gurion, David, 1886-1973

Place(s):
Israel

Subject(s):
Energy
International relations
Nuclear weapons

Digital Identifier:
JFKPOF-119-017