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Smokin' in the Boys Room - US State Department Encourage Assassination and
Regime Change in North Korea
Seth Rogen
I gonna smoke weed in the White House ya'll.
5 Nov 2014
https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/530072973160747009
Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as
to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea
Dan Sanchez, December 18, 2014
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/12/18/state-dept-the-interview/
Sony’s decision yesterday to cancel its release of The Interview after
being hacked and threatened by a group that may or may not be tied with
the North Korean government has been the top story in the media ever
since. Decidedly less-covered, and almost completely obscured by the
cancellation, is another revelation made yesterday about the movie that is
actually far more important.
The Daily Beast reported yesterday on leaked emails from the Sony hack
which show that the United States government was involved at high levels
with the content development of The Interview, especially its
controversial ending depicting the assassination of North Korean ruler Kim
Jong-Un. As the report’s headline states, “Sony Emails Say State
Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview.’”
The emails also reveal that a RAND corporation senior defense analyst who
consulted on the film went beyond “blessing” and outright influenced the
end of the film, encouraging the CEO of Sony Entertainment to leave the
assassination scene as it was (in spite of misgivings at Sony) for the
sake of encouraging North Koreans to actually assassinate Kim Jong-Un and
depose his regime when the movie eventually leaks into that country.
According to the Sony CEO, a senior US State Department official
emphatically and personally seconded that advice and reasoning in a
separate correspondence. The emails also reveal that the U.S. special
envoy for North Korean human-rights issues also consulted with Sony on the
film.
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Regime Change in North Korea
Seth Rogen
I gonna smoke weed in the White House ya'll.
5 Nov 2014
https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/530072973160747009
Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as
to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea
Dan Sanchez, December 18, 2014
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/12/18/state-dept-the-interview/
Sony’s decision yesterday to cancel its release of The Interview after
being hacked and threatened by a group that may or may not be tied with
the North Korean government has been the top story in the media ever
since. Decidedly less-covered, and almost completely obscured by the
cancellation, is another revelation made yesterday about the movie that is
actually far more important.
The Daily Beast reported yesterday on leaked emails from the Sony hack
which show that the United States government was involved at high levels
with the content development of The Interview, especially its
controversial ending depicting the assassination of North Korean ruler Kim
Jong-Un. As the report’s headline states, “Sony Emails Say State
Department Blessed Kim Jong-Un Assassination in ‘The Interview.’”
The emails also reveal that a RAND corporation senior defense analyst who
consulted on the film went beyond “blessing” and outright influenced the
end of the film, encouraging the CEO of Sony Entertainment to leave the
assassination scene as it was (in spite of misgivings at Sony) for the
sake of encouraging North Koreans to actually assassinate Kim Jong-Un and
depose his regime when the movie eventually leaks into that country.
According to the Sony CEO, a senior US State Department official
emphatically and personally seconded that advice and reasoning in a
separate correspondence. The emails also reveal that the U.S. special
envoy for North Korean human-rights issues also consulted with Sony on the
film.
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-5, thinbluemime2 wrote:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/KJcy-X3MAnE/NW68a5ND3V8J
The CIA has a long history of helping to kill leaders around the world
Ewen MacAskill 5 May 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/05/cia-long-history-kill-leaders-around-the-world-north-korea
Some of the most notorious of the CIA’s operations to kill world leaders were those targeting the late Cuban president, Fidel Castro. Attempts ranged from snipers to imaginative plots worthy of spy movie fantasies, such as the famous exploding cigars and a poison-lined scuba-diving suit.
But although the CIA attempts proved fruitless in the case of Castro, the US intelligence agency has since 1945 succeeded in deposing or killing a string of leaders elsewhere around the world – either directly or, more often, using sympathetic local military, locally hired criminals or pliant dissidents.
According to North Korea’s ministry of state security, the CIA has not abandoned its old ways. In a statement on Friday, it accused that the CIA and South Korea’s intelligence service of being behind an alleged recent an assassination attempt on its leader Kim Jong-un.
The attempt, according to the ministry, involved “the use of biochemical substances including radioactive substance and nano poisonous substance” and the advantage of this was it “does not require access to the target (as) their lethal results will appear after six or 12 months”.
The person directly responsible was allegedly a North Korean working for the foreign intelligence agencies.
A CIA spokesman refused to comment on the allegations.
But although such a claim cannot be dismissed as totally outlandish – given the long list of US involvement in coups and assassinations worldwide – the agency was forced to cut back on such killings after a US Senate investigation in the 1970s exposed the scale of its operations.
Following the investigation, then president Gerald Ford signed in 1976 an executive order stating: “No employee of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire in, political assassination.”
The executive order was partly out of embarrassment at the role of the CIA being publicly exposed – but also an acceptance by the federal government that US-inspired coups and assassinations often turned out to be counterproductive.
In spite of this, the US never totally abandoned the strategy, simply changing the terminology from assassination to targeted killings, from aerial bombing of presidents to drone attacks on alleged terrorist leaders. Aerial bomb attempts on leaders included Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi in 1986, Serbia’s Slobodan Milosevic in 1999 and Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in 2003.
Earlier well-documented episodes include Congo’s first prime minister, Patrice Lumumba of Congo, judged by the US to be too close to close to Russia. In 1960, the CIA sent a scientist to kill him with a lethal virus, though this became unnecessary when he was removed from office in 1960 by other means. Other leaders targeted for assassination in the 1960s included the Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo, president Sukarno of Indonesia and president Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam.
In 1973, the CIA helped organise the overthrow of Chile’s president, Salvador Allende, deemed to be too left wing: he died on the day of the coup.
The alleged North Korean plot sounds crude. But intelligence agencies still resort to crude methods. The alleged North Korean plot recalls the assassination of the Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko in 2006. A British inquest concluded he had been killed by the Russian intelligence agency using polonium hidden in a teapot.
The US has developed much more sophisticated methods than polonium in a tea pot, especially in the fields of electronic and cyber warfare. A leaked document obtained by WikiLeaks and released earlier this year showed the CIA in October 2014 looking at hacking into car control systems. That ability could potentially allow an agent to stage a car crash.
Recent failed North Korean missile attempts – as well as major setbacks in Iran’s nuclear programme – have been blamed on direct or indirect planting of viruses in their computer systems.
It is a long way from the crude, albeit imaginative and eventually doomed, methods employed against Castro. The US admitted to eight assassination attempts on Castro, though the Cuban put the figure much higher, with one estimate in the hundreds. Castro said: “If surviving assassinations were an Olympic event, I would win the gold medal.”
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/KJcy-X3MAnE/NW68a5ND3V8J
Ewen MacAskill 5 May 2017
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/05/cia-long-history-kill-leaders-around-the-world-north-korea
Some of the most notorious of the CIA’s operations to kill world leaders were those targeting the late Cuban president, Fidel Castro. Attempts ranged from snipers to imaginative plots worthy of spy movie fantasies, such as the famous exploding cigars and a poison-lined scuba-diving suit.
But although the CIA attempts proved fruitless in the case of Castro, the US intelligence agency has since 1945 succeeded in deposing or killing a string of leaders elsewhere around the world – either directly or, more often, using sympathetic local military, locally hired criminals or pliant dissidents.
According to North Korea’s ministry of state security, the CIA has not abandoned its old ways. In a statement on Friday, it accused that the CIA and South Korea’s intelligence service of being behind an alleged recent an assassination attempt on its leader Kim Jong-un.
The attempt, according to the ministry, involved “the use of biochemical substances including radioactive substance and nano poisonous substance” and the advantage of this was it “does not require access to the target (as) their lethal results will appear after six or 12 months”.
The person directly responsible was allegedly a North Korean working for the foreign intelligence agencies.
A CIA spokesman refused to comment on the allegations.
But although such a claim cannot be dismissed as totally outlandish – given the long list of US involvement in coups and assassinations worldwide – the agency was forced to cut back on such killings after a US Senate investigation in the 1970s exposed the scale of its operations.
Following the investigation, then president Gerald Ford signed in 1976 an executive order stating: “No employee of the United States government shall engage in, or conspire in, political assassination.”
The executive order was partly out of embarrassment at the role of the CIA being publicly exposed – but also an acceptance by the federal government that US-inspired coups and assassinations often turned out to be counterproductive.
In spite of this, the US never totally abandoned the strategy, simply changing the terminology from assassination to targeted killings, from aerial bombing of presidents to drone attacks on alleged terrorist leaders. Aerial bomb attempts on leaders included Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi in 1986, Serbia’s Slobodan Milosevic in 1999 and Iraqi president Saddam Hussein in 2003.
Earlier well-documented episodes include Congo’s first prime minister, Patrice Lumumba of Congo, judged by the US to be too close to close to Russia. In 1960, the CIA sent a scientist to kill him with a lethal virus, though this became unnecessary when he was removed from office in 1960 by other means. Other leaders targeted for assassination in the 1960s included the Dominican dictator Rafael Trujillo, president Sukarno of Indonesia and president Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam.
In 1973, the CIA helped organise the overthrow of Chile’s president, Salvador Allende, deemed to be too left wing: he died on the day of the coup.
The alleged North Korean plot sounds crude. But intelligence agencies still resort to crude methods. The alleged North Korean plot recalls the assassination of the Russian dissident Alexander Litvinenko in 2006. A British inquest concluded he had been killed by the Russian intelligence agency using polonium hidden in a teapot.
The US has developed much more sophisticated methods than polonium in a tea pot, especially in the fields of electronic and cyber warfare. A leaked document obtained by WikiLeaks and released earlier this year showed the CIA in October 2014 looking at hacking into car control systems. That ability could potentially allow an agent to stage a car crash.
Recent failed North Korean missile attempts – as well as major setbacks in Iran’s nuclear programme – have been blamed on direct or indirect planting of viruses in their computer systems.
It is a long way from the crude, albeit imaginative and eventually doomed, methods employed against Castro. The US admitted to eight assassination attempts on Castro, though the Cuban put the figure much higher, with one estimate in the hundreds. Castro said: “If surviving assassinations were an Olympic event, I would win the gold medal.”
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-5, thinbluemime2 wrote:
By MAX FISHER SEPT. 10, 2016
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/11/world/asia/north-korea-nuclear-missile-programs-rational.html
Is North Korea irrational? Or does it just pretend to be?
North Korea has given the world ample reason to ask: threats of war, occasional attacks against South Korea, eccentric leaders and wild-eyed propaganda. As its nuclear and missile programs have grown, this past week with a fifth nuclear test, that concern has grown more urgent.
But political scientists have repeatedly investigated this question and, time and again, emerged with the same answer: North Korea’s behavior, far from crazy, is all too rational.
Its belligerence, they conclude, appears calculated to maintain a weak, isolated government that would otherwise succumb to the forces of history. Its provocations introduce tremendous danger, but stave off what Pyongyang sees as the even greater threats of invasion or collapse.
Denny Roy, a political scientist, wrote in a still-cited 1994 journal article that the country’s “reputation as a ‘crazy state’” and for “reckless violence” had “worked to North Korea’s advantage,” keeping more powerful enemies at bay. But this image, he concluded, was “largely a product of misunderstanding and propaganda.”
In some ways, this is more dangerous than irrationality. While the country does not want war, its calculus leads it to cultivate a permanent risk of one — and prepare to stave off defeat, should war happen, potentially with nuclear weapons. That is a subtler danger, but a grave one.
Why scholars believe North Korea is rational
When political scientists call a state rational, they are not saying its leaders always make the best or most moral choices, or that those leaders are paragons of mental fitness. Rather, they are saying the state behaves according to its perceived self-interests, first of which is self-preservation.
When a state is rational, it will not always succeed in acting in its best interests, or in balancing short-term against long-term gains, but it will try. This lets the world shape a state’s incentives, steering it in the desired direction.
States are irrational when they do not follow self-interest. In the “strong” form of irrationality, leaders are so deranged that they are incapable of judging their own interests. In the “soft” version, domestic factors — like ideological zeal or internal power struggles — distort incentives, making states behave in ways that are counterproductive but at least predictable.
North Korea’s actions, while abhorrent, appear well within its rational self-interest, according to a 2003 study by David C. Kang, a political scientist now at the University of Southern California. At home and abroad, he found, North Korean leaders shrewdly determined their interests and acted on them. (In an email, he said his conclusions still applied.)
“All the evidence points to their ability to make sophisticated decisions and to manage palace, domestic and international politics with extreme precision,” Mr. Kang wrote. “It is not possible to argue these were irrational leaders, unable to make means-ends calculations.”
Victor Cha, a Georgetown University professor who served as the Asian affairs director on George W. Bush’s National Security Council, has repeatedly argued that North Korea’s leadership is rational.
Savage cruelty and cold calculation are not mutually exclusive, after all — and often go hand in hand.
States are rarely irrational for the simple reason that irrational states can’t survive for long. The international system is too competitive and the drive for self-preservation too powerful. While the North Korean state really is unlike any other on earth, the behaviors that make it appear irrational are perhaps its most rational.
North Korea’s rational irrationality
North Korea’s seemingly unhinged behavior begins with the country’s attempt to solve two problems that it took on with the end of the Cold War and that it should have been unable to survive.
One was military. The Korean Peninsula, still in a formal state of war, had gone from a Soviet-American deadlock to an overwhelming tilt in the South’s favor. The North was exposed, protected only by a China that was more focused on improving ties with the West.
The other problem was political. Both Koreas claimed to represent all Koreans, and for decades had enjoyed similar development levels. By the 1990s, the South was exponentially freer and more prosperous. The Pyongyang government had little reason to exist.
The leadership solved both problems with something called the Songun, or “military-first,” policy. It put the country on a permanent war footing, justifying the state’s poverty as necessary to maintain its massive military, justifying its oppression as rooting out internal traitors and propping up its legitimacy with the rally-around-the-flag nationalism that often comes during wartime.
Of course, there was no war. Foreign powers believed the government would, like other Soviet puppets, fall on its own, and barring that wanted peace.
So North Korea created the appearance of permanently imminent war, issuing flamboyant threats, staging provocations and, sometimes, deadly attacks. Its nuclear and missile tests, though erratic and often failed, stirred up one crisis after another.
This militarization kept the North Korean leadership internally stable. It also kept the country’s enemies at bay.
North Korea may be weaker, but it is willing to tolerate far more risk. By keeping the peninsula on the edge of conflict, Pyongyang put the onus on South Korea and the United States to pull things back.
From afar, North Korea’s actions look crazy. Its domestic propaganda describes a reality that does not exist, and it appears bent on almost provoking a war it would certainly lose.
But from within North Korea, these actions make perfect sense. And over time, the government’s reputation for irrationality has become an asset as well.
Scholars ascribe this behavior to the “madman theory” — a strategy, coined by no less a proponent than Richard M. Nixon, in which leaders cultivate an image of belligerence and unpredictability to force adversaries to tread more carefully.
Dr. Roy, in an interview, said North Korea “intentionally employs a posture of seemingly hyper-risk acceptance and willingness to go to war as a means of trying to intimidate its adversaries.”
But this strategy works only because, even if the belligerence is for show, the danger it creates is very real.
Is a rational North Korea more dangerous?
In this way, it is North Korea’s rationality that makes it so dangerous. Because it believes it can survive only by keeping the Korean Peninsula near war, it creates a risk of sparking just that, perhaps through some accident or miscalculation.
North Korea is aware of this risk but seems to believe it has no choice. For this reason, and perhaps because of the United States-led invasion of Iraq and the NATO intervention in Libya against Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi, it appears to earnestly fear an American invasion. And this is rational: Weak states that face more powerful enemies must either make peace — which North Korea cannot do without sacrificing its political legitimacy — or find a way to make any conflict survivable.
North Korea’s nuclear program, some analysts believe, is designed to halt an American invasion by first striking nearby United States military bases and South Korean ports, then by threatening a missile launch against the American mainland. While North Korea does not yet have this ability, analysts believe it will within the next decade.
This is the culmination of North Korea’s rationality, in something known as desperation theory.
Under this theory, when states face two terrible choices, they will pick the least bad option — even if that choice would, under normal conditions, be too costly to consider.
In North Korea’s case, that means creating the conditions for a war it would most likely lose. And it could mean preparing a last-ditch effort to survive that war by launching multiple nuclear strikes, chancing a nuclear retaliation for the slim chance to survive.
North Korea’s leaders tolerate this danger because, in their calculus, they have no other choice. The rest of us share in that risk — vanishingly small, but nonzero — whether we want to or not.
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-5, thinbluemime2 wrote:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rec.arts.tv/KJcy-X3MAnE/NW68a5ND3V8J
> Smokin' in the Boys Room - US State Department Encourage Assassination and
> Regime Change in North Korea
> Seth Rogen
> I gonna smoke weed in the White House ya'll.
> 5 Nov 2014
> https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/530072973160747009
https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/905604728603545600
Leaked emails reveal how Sony, Obama, Seth Rogen and the CIA Secretly Planned to Force Regime Change in North Korea
http://archive.is/3GhRc
6:32 PM - 6 Sep 2017
> Emails Reveal US State Department Influenced Sony’s “The Interview” so as
> to Encourage Assassination and Regime Change in North Korea
> Dan Sanchez, December 18, 2014
> http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/12/18/state-dept-the-interview/
The secret backstory to the U.S.-North Korea standoff.
By Tim Shorrock / AlterNet September 5, 2017
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/how-sony-obama-seth-rogen-and-cia-secretly-planned-force-regime-change-north-korea
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-5, thinbluemime2 wrote:
> Smokin' in the Boys Room - US State Department Encourage Assassination and
> Regime Change in North Korea
> Seth Rogen
> I gonna smoke weed in the White House ya'll.
> 5 Nov 2014
> https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/530072973160747009
Seth Rogen to play Water Cronkite in JFK assassination movie
> Regime Change in North Korea
> Seth Rogen
> I gonna smoke weed in the White House ya'll.
> 5 Nov 2014
> https://twitter.com/Sethrogen/status/530072973160747009
http://deadline.com/2017/12/seth-rogen-walter-cronkite-newsflash-jfk-assassination-david-gordon-green-don-hewitt-1202224250/
Seth Rogen To Play Walter Cronkite In ‘Newsflash;’ David Gordon
Green-Helmed Pic On CBS JFK Assassination Coverage
by Mike Fleming Jr
EXCLUSIVE: Seth Rogen is attached to play iconic CBS newsman Walter
Cronkite in Newsflash, a Ben Jacoby-scripted drama that Stronger
director David Gordon Green will direct next year. The film takes
place on November 22, 1963, the day President John F Kennedy was
assassinated in Texas.
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On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 10:31:05 AM UTC-5, thinbluemime2 wrote:
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By KEN THOMAS and ZEKE MILLER Today
https://www.apnews.com/72fff3051e7044739e0a765500faf022/Trump-shows-Kim-a-video-laying-out-the-stakes-of-summit
SINGAPORE (AP) — President Donald Trump, the former reality television star with a knack for theatrics, tried a dose of Hollywood drama as he sought to sway North Korean leader Kim Jong Un during their historic summit.
Using an iPad, Trump said, he showed Kim a short video made on his behalf, laying out the opportunities that could come with an agreement to eliminate North Korea’s nuclear arsenal — a story about “two men, two leaders, one destiny.”
Reminiscent of a movie trailer, the film shows images of warplanes and artillery while a narrator suggests in English and Korean that “a new world can begin today, one of friendship, respect and goodwill.”
“We had it made up. I showed it to him today, actually during the meeting, toward the end of the meeting and I think he loved it,” Trump said during a news conference. The video was broadcast on big screens at the start of Tuesday’s press conference.
Trump said the video was played for about eight members of the North Korean delegation, “and I thought they were fascinated by it.” The president added: “That could very well be the future.”
“I showed it because I really want him to do something,” he said.
US President Donald Trump said on Tuesday “as history has proven over and over again, adversaries can indeed become friends” following his historic meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. (June 12)
Long an authoritarian state, North Korea has used propaganda films to shape public perception of its leaders, often portraying Kim and his family as gods. The current leader’s father, Kim Jong Il, was a longtime movie buff who had thousands of titles in his film collection and once led North Korea’s ministry of propaganda.
Trump, who starred on NBC’s reality show “The Apprentice” before entering politics, told reporters he was “not concerned at all” that the film could be used as propaganda, adding, “We could use that video for other countries.”
It wasn’t the first time video was used as a way to connect with Kim. At the end of a summit in April on the southern side of the Demilitarized Zone between the Koreas, Kim and South Korean President Moon Jae-in watched a highly produced video, backed by inspirational music, that highlighted the ceremonies they had just conducted during the day.
During his exchanges with Trump, Kim seemed to buy into the cinematography of their unlikely meeting, saying through a translator, “many people in the world that will think of this as a scene from a ... science fiction movie.”
The short film sought to place Kim as a central character living in a key moment in history.
Against a piercing musical score, the narrator dramatically asks, “What if? Can history be changed? Will the world embrace this change? And when can this moment in history begin? It comes down to a choice, on this day, in this time, at this moment, the world will be watching, listening, anticipating, hoping.”
The video suggests that Kim could “be the hero of his people. Will he shake the hand of peace and enjoy prosperity like he has never seen, a great life, or more isolation? Which path will be chosen?” The narrator references some of Trump’s main arguments to Kim, namely that eliminating his nuclear stockpile would allow his country to benefit economically and re-enter the world community.
The trailer portrays Trump and Kim as the two leading characters of the film — but the outcome is yet unknown. The narrator says the film is “featuring President Donald Trump and Chairman Kim Jong Un, in a meeting to remake history, to shine in the sun, one moment, one choice, what if? The future remains to be written.”
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Ed Stasiak
Jun 12, 2018, 1:38:12 PM6/12/18
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> thinbl...@gmail.com
is young and hip to where the world is today (he even spent some time in a Swiss
boarding school) but for whatever reason, he’s a chip off the old dictatorial block.
Dunno what it’s going to take to unify Korea or if it’s possible, maybe some kinda
guarantee that the top dogs in N. Korea won’t be prosecuted for anything and can
walk away with a ton of money?
>
> The video suggests that Kim could “be the hero of his people. Will he shake
> the hand of peace and enjoy prosperity like he has never seen, a great life,
> or more isolation? Which path will be chosen?”
When Kim Jong Il assumed power, I thought the above might happen, as the guy
> The video suggests that Kim could “be the hero of his people. Will he shake
> the hand of peace and enjoy prosperity like he has never seen, a great life,
> or more isolation? Which path will be chosen?”
is young and hip to where the world is today (he even spent some time in a Swiss
boarding school) but for whatever reason, he’s a chip off the old dictatorial block.
Dunno what it’s going to take to unify Korea or if it’s possible, maybe some kinda
guarantee that the top dogs in N. Korea won’t be prosecuted for anything and can
walk away with a ton of money?
Rhino
Jun 12, 2018, 2:48:27 PM6/12/18
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to be free of this horrific dynasty of dictators and got to live some
semblance of a normal life like their cousins in South Korea.
I loathe what the Kims have done to the people in the North. There are
millions dead who wouldn't have been if their leaders hadn't been such
dogmatic bastards and all the rest would have been much freer if the
Kims had never been born. The grandfather and father are beyond the
reach of prosecutors at this point but SOMEBODY should be punished for
what they did and Kim Jong Un is the obvious candidate. Nobody should
get to kill and starve and brainwash millions of people for decades and
then get a lovely reward for doing so and immunity from prosecution to
boot.
Having said that - and feeling very strongly about it - I'm enough of a
pragmatist and humanitarian to be willing to let Kim and his top cronies
walk away with money and immunity if it frees the people of North Korea
from his horrendous shackles, provided someone reliable keeps a VERY
close eye on him. (And if some angry North Korean decides to murder him
some day, so much the better.)
Of course much evidence suggests that China would have big problems with
a unification of the Korean peninsula if it was under the South Korean
government. They don't want a free, prosperous competitor right on their
border if they can help it. Or so says one of my friends who follows the
geopolitics of that part of Asia more closely than I do.
Any thought of reunifying the Koreas under North Korean leadership is,
of course, ridiculous to any rational person.
If Kim cares at all about his people, he will walk away and let them
reunite with their kin in the South in a unified DEMOCRATIC Korea. Their
lives will be immeasurably better in practically every respect. (The
ones that like being told what to do will find a free Korea confusing
and unsettling but the rest will thrive.)
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Rhino
FPP
Jun 12, 2018, 6:27:57 PM6/12/18
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The ones he starves, the ones he straps to anti-aircraft guns, or the
ones he has torn apart by wild dogs?
Or maybe the ones he sprays in the face with nerve gas...
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They said there were two fathers, one above, one below.
They lied. There was only ever the Devil.
When you look up from the bottom, it was just his reflection, laughing
back down at you." -James Delos (Westworld 5-12-18)
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