introduction and first question....

[Leslie]

Look closely at the A Homer Hilsen, I think it might suit you....

[Kelly]

If you are looking for the 4 pannier setup I would look at the Atlantis and the Hilborne.  Good sales going on those currently.  The A Homer Hilsen will also fill the bill though not as well in the heavily loaded areas in my opinion.   

The Atlantis is Canti and the Hilborne is side pull.  I just put a Hilborne together with a friend and it's a beautiful bike 

Kelly

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 1:59:13 PM UTC-6, sebseb wrote:

Dear Forum,
I am a new member and would like to say hello and ask for a first advice at the same time. I just found your group as I was doing some research to replace my japanese touring frame which I lost in an accident some time ago. I found the mid 80's frame which I had very well adapted to my needs, a 28' wheeled "sports-tourer" with room for up to 32mm tires (with fenders), long enough chainstays to have fenders and carry luggage on racks  but still with side pull-brakes (47-57 reach) and double crankset, the fork even with eyelets for lowrider though I never used them. Besides doing all my commutes with it I also travelled a lot on it, always with just two panniers and a handlebar bag. I did a lot of brevets and several week-long tours (with camping gear) with that frame, and though not the lightest and maybe a little on the "flexy" side there was nothing really to complain about. Since the accident I try to find something similar and Rivendell has made some bikes in the past that seem to be what i am looking for, or at least come very close to what I search for. As I hope to find amongst you the real connaiseurs of this brand I would like to know which of the Rivendell frames (also former ones) comes closest to my demands in your opinion so that I can look for an occasion to try to find one in my size (PBH 84cm). While in the current lineup I am not so shure there is such a model, the older Rambouillet seemed to me "the role model" although I am not shure if there is enough heel clearance to have larger panniers and two eyelets would also be nicer at the rear  and front drop out? Has anybody experiences with that kind of luggage on a Rambouillet? I would be pleased to hear some first hand knowledge and if somebody has a frame in my size (~58cm for 28' wheels) he wants to part with  i would also like to know about it. With my best regards and a happy new year to everybody  -sebastian

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Ditto what Leslie said. I've only had my A. Homer Hilsen a little over a year but it's proven itself to be a great bike. 40mm tires + fenders + luggage. Here's a pic from a 4 day tour I did in September. This is a normal rack and gives plenty of heel clearance for my size 46 kicks. You could easily get a couple more inches of heel clearance with a rack that has extra bars to hang the pannier lower and farther back. 

There are moments where I think it would be nice to have a more stripped down "road" bike and a fatter tired/canti brake camping bike, but the AHH is a great machine for a wide variety of riding. 

A Sam Hillborne or Yves Gomez/Betty Foy might be worth looking at too. 

--Andy

[dougP]

Sebastian:

From your description of your previous bike & your use, a Ram would fill the bill.  One of the hallmarks of all Rivendells is versatility, so even though the Ram is on the "sporty" side it's still a good tourer.  Since you liked your adapted 80s era sport-tourer, you would be impressed with a Rivendell.  Take a look at the Hillborne & Hilsen for current models that may work for you and used Rams come up for sale on this site.  The Atlantis (my personal choice) is purpose built for touring and can handle any reasonable load.  Rivs have nice long chainstays so heel clearance with panniers is seldom an issue. 

dougP

[Bruce Herbitter]

The Rambouillet (The successor to the Long Low, I would call this a brevet bike) is not intended for much front weight, ergo it lacks fork rack mounts, but handles a rear rack with light to moderate weight okay. The Saluki/A Homer Hilsen  (light touring bikes) is a little stouter and laid out with different trail (and takes wider tires too) so that it handles a front rack/weight and for which is has fork mounts. It can be had as a canti or caliper brake style frame. The Hillborne is essentially a lower price point Hilsen and equally suitable. The Atlantis (loaded touring) has been sold as the bike you can really do anything on, and the Hunqapillar (heavier touring/off road) and Bombadil (MountainBike / heavy touring) are also great beasts of burden, if somewhat slower afoot.

the key thing on any Rivendell is to get the bike that fits you and set it up to suit how you like to ride.

Welcome and Tailwinds.

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[Ray Shine]

Sebastian -- I own a Canti-Romulus, which is the poor man's version of the Ram. I rode down the Oregon Coast on it a few years ago pulling a BOB trailer. I did not sense any over-load. I have toured fully loaded front and rear panniers on my Atlantis and can tell you it is steady as a rock. The same comment applies to a loaded Bleriot and Sam H. I would not load up my Canti-Rom again after riding really tour-specific frames.

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From: sebseb <sebasti...@googlemail.com>
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, December 29, 2012 9:41:25 AM
Subject: [RBW] Re: introduction and first question....

well, thank you for the quick responses, I think the double top tube of the hilborne is a little too stout for me, the 58cm hilsen might be more my taste, still very curious how the rambouillet might do with panniers...anyway I always keep my gear rather light, so it doesn´t need to be a frame which is designed to go around the world with 40kg of load.....about 12-15kg alltogether is what I normally need for a three week trip (tent etc, but just light kitchen equip. (soup, tee coffee etc....))....

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:59:13 PM UTC+1, sebseb wrote:

Dear Forum,
I am a new member and would like to say hello and ask for a first advice at the same time. I just found your group as I was doing some research to replace my japanese touring frame which I lost in an accident some time ago. I found the mid 80's frame which I had very well adapted to my needs, a 28' wheeled "sports-tourer" with room for up to 32mm tires (with fenders), long enough chainstays to have fenders and carry luggage on racks  but still with side pull-brakes (47-57 reach) and double crankset, the fork even with eyelets for lowrider though I never used them. Besides doing all my commutes with it I also travelled a lot on it, always with just two panniers and a handlebar bag. I did a lot of brevets and several week-long tours (with camping gear) with that frame, and though not the lightest and maybe a little on the "flexy" side there was nothing really to complain about. Since the accident I try to find something similar and Rivendell has made some bikes in the past that seem to be what i am looking for, or at least come very close to what I search for. As I hope to find amongst you the real connaiseurs of this brand I would like to know which of the Rivendell frames (also former ones) comes closest to my demands in your opinion so that I can look for an occasion to try to find one in my size (PBH 84cm). While in the current lineup I am not so shure there is such a model, the older Rambouillet seemed to me "the role model" although I am not shure if there is enough heel clearance to have larger panniers and two eyelets would also be nicer at the rear  and front drop out? Has anybody experiences with that kind of luggage on a Rambouillet? I would be pleased to hear some first hand knowledge and if somebody has a frame in my size (~58cm for 28' wheels) he wants to part with  i would also like to know about it. With my best regards and a happy new year to everybody  -sebastian

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