Who rode their bicycle to vote in the US today?

[Amit Singh]

Got a photo of your Riv at the poll?  Send a link or post the photo!  :)

I'll be riding to go vote this evening after work and will send a photo then.

Amit

[Peter Morgano]

Against the law in NYC to take a picture at a polling place. It seems most things here are illegal, i mean freaking sparklers are illegal!

Amit

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[Dan Abelson]

Rode my quickbeam to vote this morning en route to work. Did not take a picture.

Dan Abelson
St Paul, MN

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[Peter Morgano]

Just wanted to add me and my daughter will be walking over to vote after school, it is only a block away. I had someone at my kid's school ask me, exasperated where I found the gas to get around this week. He was even more exasperated it seeeds when I told him I had two legs and a nice bike and have been happy with this system for 8 years. Although I do feel for those who are reliant on cars, its not like they can just switch overnight to some other system. Maybe the gas shortage here will open some eyes to the benefits of cycling, walking and mass transit, a small bright side to a huge tradgedy. Study out today said most cab rides in NYC are under 1.5 miles, that is what I walk every day to and from the subway.  But anyway GET OUT AND VOTE, FOR ANYONE, JUST DO IT!!!

[Way Rebb]

Awww, I walked. Normally I ride everywhere, even three blocks to the
store but today for some reason I walked to the poll. Maybe I'll ride
by and take a re-enactment photo later today. :)

[dougP]

I rode my Atlantis to the PO last week to mail our ballots.  Sorry, no photo, you'll have to trust me:). 

dougP

[Philip Williamson]

Like DougP, I walked to the P.O. to mail my ballot on Satuday. 

OT, but I believe Riv-attitude appropriate: This last week I've had an ongoing conversation, not even a debate, with someone who at first appeared to be my political polar opposite. It's one of the few online conversations I've had that got MORE civil as it progressed. Man it made me feel good. It literally started out with rage-noises, and ended with "as a sort of friend, I want you to take care of yourself." I learned about him, he learned about me. I don't think I would have been able to have that conversation without learning some hard lessons on this list and the iBOB list. 

So "As a sort of a friend, I want you to take care of yourself," :^)

Philip

www.biketinker.com

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:03:23 AM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

[Amit Singh]

Cold night in Michigan!  Super duper fast voting, no lines, enjoyable ride.  Almost got run over by a turbo kitted car zooming through a pedestrian crossing on the way back home. No problem for Bombadil!  :)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amisingh/8162527821/

[Peter Pesce]

Wasn't my Riv, but rode my commuter to vote on the way to work. It was 29 degrees at 6:45 AM when I left the house, so not many bikes there! Not many people at all really , so it took me all of 5 minutes to vote.

Pete in CT

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

The 4-year-old and I rode the Big Dummy to the library to turn in my and my wife's ballots... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8162650569/

--Andy

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:03:23 AM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

[Robert Harrison]

No photo but I did stop at the poll on my way home from work on my Hunqapillar. As I was leaving another cyclist pulled up riding a 20+ year old Raleigh which was still going strong. 

Aloha!

Bob

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[Joe K]

I'm in NYC too, like Peter, but in Staten Island. Normally I DO ride
to the polling place, just down the street, but due to a confluence of
circumstances I ended up there at the end of a driving/shopping trip
with my son (who. by the way, is a car guy...is that the curse of
parents who are cyclists?

I did ride to a restaurant for lunch yesterday, as we had no food in
the house post-Sandy. Rode the Univega beater, as Im comfortable
locking it up just about anywhere. Now that some concert work is
over, will have time to attend to the bikes...the Uni needs new bar/
stem combo, for example.

Joe

Didn't know it was against the law to take a pic outside a voting
center.

On Nov 6, 9:34 pm, Robert Harrison <rfharri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> No photo but I did stop at the poll on my way home from work on my Hunqapillar. As I was leaving another cyclist pulled up riding a 20+ year old Raleigh which was still going strong.
>
> Aloha!
>
> Bob
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> Honolulu, HI
> statrix.com
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> On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Amit Singh wrote:
> > Got a photo of your Riv at the poll?  Send a link or post the photo!  :)
>
> > I'll be riding to go vote this evening after work and will send a photo then.
>
> > Amit
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[Peter Morgano]

I have alot of family in Staten Island (we are just over the bridge in Bay Ridge), alot of them retirees so my heart goes out to anyone on the unfortunately forgotten island. It really is a beautiful place if people give it a shot. I only wish the verrazzano had a bike path but damn Robert Moses strikes again.  I was told it was against the law to take a picture at  the polling place. They yelled at some guy today with a smartphone because they said it could be used to take pictures.

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[C.J. Filip]

Rode to polls Homer. People were complaining about no place to park
their car. No pic.

On Nov 6, 7:04 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have alot of family in Staten Island (we are just over the bridge in Bay
> Ridge), alot of them retirees so my heart goes out to anyone on the
> unfortunately forgotten island. It really is a beautiful place if people
> give it a shot. I only wish the verrazzano had a bike path but damn Robert

> Moses strikes again.  I was told it was against the law to take a picture *at
> *the polling place. They yelled at some guy today with a smartphone because

[Joe K]

Staten Island really could be (and sometimes is) a really beautiful
place. We were attracted here by how much it resembles the SF Bay
Area, at least here on the North Shore. We are in a neighborhood of
Victorian houses (Stapleton) with expansive views of the Verrazano
bridge and the harbor, and there are lovely hills everywhere. But
there is little consciousness among the locals of how special it is.
Someone once wrote to the local paper that S.I. could be New York's
Sausalito if anyone cared about it. A few of us do!

There are rumblings about the refurbishment of the Verrazano, and
controversy about including a bike path. Transportation Alternatives
has asked cyclists to get involved and demand one. I will do so!
(Hope it isn't too late.)

Joe

On Nov 6, 10:04 pm, Peter Morgano <uscpeter11...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have alot of family in Staten Island (we are just over the bridge in Bay
> Ridge), alot of them retirees so my heart goes out to anyone on the
> unfortunately forgotten island. It really is a beautiful place if people
> give it a shot. I only wish the verrazzano had a bike path but damn Robert

> Moses strikes again.  I was told it was against the law to take a picture *at
> *the polling place. They yelled at some guy today with a smartphone because

[grant]

I rode mine this morning. Looks like my vote wasn't neeeeeded, but...it's a funny thing. Four years ago I was in Taiwan or Japan or something on election day, following the news on the 'puter, and I got happy at the end. A fellow told me he'd never buy from us again. Earlier this year he emailed me saying he filled up a shopping cart, but then remembered I was happy when Obama won, and so he emptied it. I don't believe he ever filled it up, but it's interesting that he felt that way and took the time to tell me.

Today I voted for women, the environment, the middle class, for stem cell research, for marriage equality, for fair pay, for EVERY class, for science. Does that put Rivendell at risk, my saying that?

To anybody who---doesn't like the way the election went and doesn't like that I do, and might not support us because I'm here all thrilled, I wonder: Do you find out the political affiliation of every business owner before you patronize the biz?

Ultimately, it will be good for both parties. I imagine the elephants will be less radical from now on. I imagine the donkeys will welcome their moving a hair to the left. It could lead to the two parties working together again, the way it was when I was a lad and my dad was my age.

[Anne Paulson]

No pic, but I rode to the polls to drop off my ballot, then on to
campaign headquarters to spend five hours hounding voters in Ohio.

On Tue, Nov 6, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Amit Singh <asd...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Got a photo of your Riv at the poll? Send a link or post the photo! :)
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[Peter Morgano]

Two things I dont talk about with people I dont intimately know, religion and politics. If Grant was a republican I would still spend my money, if he was a republican who gave to anti-abortion and radical right causes, not so much. I think like all things it is a matter of degrees. I am a liberal, athiest, democrat but I have many friends who are not and they are still friends. I lived in South Carolina for 9 years and had many close friends who would often have a good debate over politics, but after it all we were still friends.  I also worked at a Vegan restaurant where there were many causes I deemed too liberal but still put myself out there in a respectful manner to try at talk about things with people. If we cant talk about what makes us different then we have truely lost "democracy."  You cant just live with your head in the echo-chamber, you will never expand your horizons that way.

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[Michael]

I didn't vote, and, I didn't get my Rivbike back from the shop until 8pm tonight.

Sorry, no pics of my not voting and not having my bike at a polling place.

 

I hope to buy lotsa stuff from Rivendell in the coming years. 

[Michael]

PS - In before the lock...hardy har har!

[cyclotourist]

Walked with the fam down to drop off off the mail in ballots. It's the compromise between getting the kids seeing the act of voting and not having to wait in line. Prop 30 better pass in CA, or the wife and I are most likely out of a job next year. No more binge purchases of bike products from any company!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/8163202072/

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PS - In before the lock...hardy har har!

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[Brian Hanson]

I voted last week via mail in WA state, but I rode today.  No rain, either!  All in all, a great day...

http://stonehog.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/election-day-ride/

Brian

Seattle, WA

[Ryan Ray]

The sanity of all mail in voting... I heard King Count was expected to get 86% turnout.

The whole vote by mail thing was championed and put together by my favorite Wasington republican Sam Reed. My ballot was so sad and one-party without him in there.

I spent election day building up my new to me Ram. Had trouble with the metal fenders and front rack so I took the vo rack back and ordered a Mark's rack. Hope it works!

[Eric Platt]

We did not ride to the polls after work today.  A combination of a later time off work, light drizzle in the low 40's and more traffic made me decide to just keep driving the carpool to the polling station after work.

 

Eric Platt

St. Paul, MN 

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[islaysteve]

Grant, I echo your sentiments.  I'm a "displaced" Californian,  but I'm fortunate to live in Maryland where I was able to vote for marriage equality, among other good things.  The results were pretty much the same as my ballot all around, so I'm happy here too.  Thanks for sharing, don't worry about that guy, and enjoy the California weather.  Steve

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Re: Grant's story. Interesting that a person who apparently enjoys Riv's approach to bicycles would be so hung up on Grant's fairly mainstream political stance. Is he boycotting half the country? More than likely the mutual interest in bikes made the dude feel chummy with GP, and that initial chumminess made the "betrayal" on political philosophy even more profound.

My shop is in a blue-collar area of South Minneapolis, which is a pretty diverse place. I've learned a lot about people, but the most useful thing I've learned is that a common interest in bikes does not mean two cyclists have ANYTHING else in common.

Oh yeah. I walked to my poll twice (registration issues), but only voted once.

[Ron Mc]

there are successful businesses who post their beliefs

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/lp2/we-believe/

though their success is based more on their customer service, which they attribute to their beliefs

[Peter Morgano]

I see nothing wrong with what they have to say, even as an Athiest, although I can see how a devout member of another religion might be put off. It comes down to the fact we live in a great nation, where you can say or believe whatever you want, even if you own a big business, and people can vote in the second best way, with thier wallets.

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[Jim M.]

On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 8:26:44 PM UTC-8, grant wrote:

Do you find out the political affiliation of every business owner before you patronize the biz?

No, and I don't care about how they vote. But I do care about how they spend their profits they might make from me. Some large national businesses have been very obvious about spending money on causes I disagree with, so I don't give them my money any more. 

jim m

wc ca

[Seth Vidal]

I would have agreed with you. Right up until Citizens United. When corporations can give unlimited money and behave like people, but not people - then corps espousing their political beliefs gets my hackles up. When I see  a company telling me that they don't like my life and that they are actively working to make my life and many of those people I love illegal?

That's when I start making sure they don't get any money, From anyone I know.

It's one thing to say that you think there should be more or less taxes, it's another to say that my friends cannot be the way they are.

-sv

[johnb]

Read this after alas.

GF and I rode to polling place in MD. Cold but sunny. Parking lot was packed (80% turnout in MD) so bike parking right next to the school received many comments. Some were even positive...

[Horace]

80% turnout! That's awesome.

I dropped my ballot off on my way to work. And, since I bike to work
every day, that means my vote was delivered via Quickbeam.

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[Ron Mc]

I'm surprised to see some of the opinions - or really, the projections - of the other side.  I can assure you that you wear as much of the polarizing disparity as you paint on the other side.  You believe they're trying to put you in jail, they believe you're trying to tax them to death and make their grandchildren pay for the rest.  Stock markets around the world today tanked as a result of the election.  

[Peter Morgano]

Oy, a political conversation breaking out on a bicycle discussion page, nothing good can come of this. Thankfully the fine people at Rivendell don't waste their time worrying about the stock market, or so I assume. Lets at least not tell people what they believe or quote things in such hyperbolic terms, that is where the troubles start I feel. Lets read what my grandmother used to call the "Commie Pinko Rag" NY Times has to say about the stock market instead, seems to be a pretty big shit storm out there in general.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/08/business/fiscal-impasse-leads-to-caution-after-election.html

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm surprised to see some of the opinions - or really, the projections - of the other side.  I can assure you that you wear as much of the polarizing disparity as you paint on the other side.  You believe they're trying to put you in jail, they believe you're trying to tax them to death and make their grandchildren pay for the rest.  Stock markets around the world today tanked as a result of the election.  

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-11-07 at 13:47 -0500, Peter Morgano wrote:
> Oy, a political conversation breaking out on a bicycle discussion
> page, nothing good can come of this.

It's not impossible. The discussion following Jan's article on the
German voting system was interesting, informative and courteous: pretty
much an operational definition of "something good coming out of it."
http://janheine.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/how-germans-vote/

[Peter Morgano]

That is a good conversation, lets hope things stay that cordial here.  I am a politics junkie so I love any spirited debate, as long as people keep it clean.

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[PATRICK MOORE]

I say that we discuss politics only if we include trail, planing, and helmets.

Patrick Moore, pissed because his party didn't win.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhinoceros_Party

(Of course, it no longer exists, and it was never American to begin with, but **still**.)

[Ron Mc]

the reason the two parties worked together when Grant and I were kids was because there were four parties.  North/south democrats, and east/west republicans.  Coalitions would form over issues of common interest between the four regions and two parties.  Ending in the 70s, people changed parties and polarized, so now, it's the major urban centers against the rest of the nation - if you look at last night's EC map, it will show you that.  The parties will not work together as long as each side keeps fear-mongering the beliefs of the other.  The media feeds on that fear-mongering, because they must spin every news story to last 360 hours.  

[Peter Morgano]

Be that as it may, the thing I hate the most about the media is the false equivalency that is measured against all politics. In some cases one guy or party or belief is just wrong, and we live in such a PC society that no one in the media can just come out and say it. When you watch old news casts from the civil rights era or Vietnam war news people were not afraid to say what they thought, they actually had passion and weren't trying to sell "infotainment" to the masses. I agree that politicians need to work together but to say "both sides are at fault all the time" makes it worse, not better.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

the reason the two parties worked together when Grant and I were kids was because there were four parties.  North/south democrats, and east/west republicans.  Coalitions would form over issues of common interest between the four regions and two parties.  Ending in the 70s, people changed parties and polarized, so now, it's the major urban centers against the rest of the nation - if you look at last night's EC map, it will show you that.  The parties will not work together as long as each side keeps fear-mongering the beliefs of the other.  The media feeds on that fear-mongering, because they must spin every news story to last 360 hours.  

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[Ron Mc]

Peter, there's another way we vote.  With digital cable, they know what we're watching on tv 100% of the time.  Turn off the 24-hr/day news and turn off the news entertainment industry.  

[Peter Morgano]

That is true but sadly most people just watch the network that they watch and that is thier source of information. I do love the rise of independent media on the web, gives way different perspectives than you would ever get on the mainstream media. I am obviously a liberal but try to not just limit myself to their media sources and I try to take a good look at the issues and don't just block vote. For instance I live in NY and did not vote for Cuomo since I find him repulsive but did not vote for the conservative lunatic either, there were better 3rd party candidates on the ballot.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 2:31 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Peter, there's another way we vote.  With digital cable, they know what we're watching on tv 100% of the time.  Turn off the 24-hr/day news and turn off the news entertainment industry.  

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[Ron Mc]

Peter, Grant, here is the polarization of our country from 1960 to 2000

EC map - 1960 presidential election 

EC map 2000 election

[William]

For one thing, Republicans changed from Blue to Red between 1960 and 2000, while Democrats changed from Red to Blue.  Was there ever a time when they were the same color?  That would have been really confusing.  

Bill "just trying to insert a little jocularity" Lindsay

aka Bubba

[Peter Morgano]

First off that map is misleading since it has the democrat highlighted in red. Second, yes the Democrats lost the south forever after the civil rights acts in the 60s, I would think to the millions of people that have had thier lives improved for the better because of the Civil Rights act would not be sad about that. And dont try to tell me about the south, I lived in South Carolina for 9 years, 5 of those in  rural area, they hate the democrats for really just one big reason, sad but true.

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[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I love talking politics, but to bring the discussion more on-topic: Which party is friendlier to the lugged steel lobby? Discuss!

[Kris Kenow]

I rode my Stumpjumper to the voting "church" ,sorry no pictures.

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Subject: [RBW] Re: Who rode their bicycle to vote in the US today?

The 4-year-old and I rode the Big Dummy to the library to turn in my and my wife's ballots... http://www.flickr.com/photos/15966859@N07/8162650569/

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On Tuesday, November 6, 2012 11:03:23 AM UTC-8, Amit Singh wrote:

Got a photo of your Riv at the poll?  Send a link or post the photo!  :)

I'll be riding to go vote this evening after work and will send a photo then.

Amit

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[Steve Palincsar]

> On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:25:21 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:
> First off that map is misleading since it has the democrat
> highlighted in red. Second, yes the Democrats lost the south
> forever after the civil rights acts in the 60s,

Virginia went Democratic in both the Presidential and Senatorial
elections this year. In Alexandria Va, where I live, Democrats won the
Mayoral election and all the City Council spots.

[Ron Mc]

Peter, s. Democrats became Republicans in the 80s, not the 60s, so your data is wrong

[Peter Morgano]

Again, an issue with politics nowadays is the arguing of facts. I believe Richard Nixon and the Southern Strategy was not in the 80s, but then again I do have a degree in Political Science from University of South Carolina so maybe they led me astray. But dont trust me, trust our find friends at Wikipedia, or have they been infected by the liberal media? 

 

 "The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was the event that finally moved the majority of Southern states to the Republican Party. From the end of the Civil War to 1960 Democrats had solid control over the southern states in presidential elections, hence the term "Solid South" to describe the states' Democratic preference. After the passage of this act however their support on a presidential level shifted to the Republicans"

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Democrats

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Peter, s. Democrats became Republicans in the 80s, not the 60s, so your data is wrong

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[Ron Mc]

Our current Texas gov. Was the last holdout - he campaigned for Al Gore. S. Carolina in no way represents the entire south, nor does Wikipedia.

[Ron Mc]

Nor canyon in any way represent me, however loudly you claim

[Peter Morgano]

Oy, I am not typing loudly haha.  I always speak softly and rationally, at home and at work and anyone is entitled to thier own opinion but not thier own facts. Like I said before I always enjoy a debate with the other side and some of my friends and family are republicans but I think this conversation has reached an end. My Phil BB tools are coming soon and I have more important things to do than argue facts. 

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Nor canyon in any way represent me, however loudly you claim

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[Ron Mc]

Oy, Peter, this is the 2nd time you've become insulting and puffed up. The colors of the map don't matter, the distribution does. But you did prove my point about scare tactics, and from another generation

[Peter Morgano]

Heyyy, you cant co-opt my Oy, unless your wife is Jewish too, haha. While many find me insulting few find me scary or tactical. Have a good night.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 6:34 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Oy, Peter, this is the 2nd time you've become insulting and puffed up. The colors of the map don't matter, the distribution does. But you did prove my point about scare tactics, and from another generation

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[Kelly]

I refuse to wear a helmet ..

[Ryan Ray]

I actually laughed out loud at that Kelly.

As per Grant's comments,
One day there will be a party that is fiscally conservative but not antedeluvian. Until that day I'll be voting democrat pretty exclusively. How does that affect which companies I purchase from? I'm not sure. I still don't buy from Nike because they pretty much led the slave labor movement. I'm sure I have other examples. If Grant had said he was happy Bush won (specially the first time) I'd probably not have given it a second thought.

- Ryan

[Marc Irwin]

Yes I did, but alas, no photo.

Marc

[Ron Mc]

well, I did bicycle 30 miles on Yom Kippur.  

and the Civil Rights Act was written by The power broker of the southern Democrats, LBJ, and couldn't have been pushed through by anyone else.  

[jimD]

I was finishing high school and entering college during the years that the pivotal struggles for civil rights were occurring.

I recently read Taylor Branch's "Pillar of Fire".  The book is encyclopedic in scope as the author depicts that struggle.

For me, 'Pillar of Fire' shifted my understanding of the struggle for civil rights.  The politicians, including LBJ, were driven

to pass the legislation due to the heroic efforts of the many people who put life and limb on the line in pursuing rights that

today we take for granted.

I learned that the Civil Rights Act was accomplished through the bravery and sacrifice of many unsung dedicated citizens. 

The politicians followed, rather than lead that struggle. 

-JimD

On Nov 8, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

well, I did bicycle 30 miles on Yom Kippur.  

and the Civil Rights Act was written by The power broker of the southern Democrats, LBJ, and couldn't have been pushed through by anyone else.  

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[Ron Mc]

I rode my bicycle to the polls, as well, but the only reason I posted on this thread was because of the irrational opinions and fears I saw voiced about those who may have voted differently.  As long as this great disparity remains, the next four years will be four more years of gridlock.  

[Steven Frederick]

My polling place is only a couple of blocks off my usual bike commute
route so I just stopped in on the way to work. I was not the first
person to vote but I was close enough in line to see the first person
come out of the ballot area and to join in when the crowd applauded.

There's no shortage of "irrational opinions," at the extremes of both
sides. My fervent hope is that there will be enough consensus
builders to move us forward and soon. Absolutism has no place in a
democracy as varied as ours--no one gets things all their way, every
time. Solving problems and finding solutions most every one can live
with are the very definition of "politic."

Steve Frederick, East Lansing, MI

[Seth Vidal]

Steven,

 I think you're committing the fallacy of the golden mean. Absolutism has a place in our society. Let me give you some examples:

I absolutely believe that all adult americans should have the ability to gain the tax and probate advantages they can get through marriage regardless of their race, gender, religious beliefs or sexual orientation.

 I believe anyone pushing to withhold those rights from folks in our society is a bigot and should be shunned.

I absolutely believe that all women should have control over their own bodies.

I believe anyone advocating for them losing control of their own bodies is Akin(haha, get it?) to a rapist and should be punished as such.

Those are things I absolutely believe. You let me know when I'm being irrational, provided you can present logic as such. 

-sv

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[Steven Frederick]

I agree with most everything you say, Seth. I was just trying to
be...diplomatic. B-)

Steve

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

I voted for the President, but I'm planning to reach across the aisle and personally invite Mitt Romney to the 2013 Midwest Riv/Country Bike Rally. The rest of you should come, too.

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

And when, exactly, will that be, Jim? My Summer 2013 calendar is rapidly filling up. ;-)

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[Steven Frederick]

Sorry, that was a bit glib. I feel a little hesitant to continue this
thread in a political direction. The point I hope to make is that if
there are some individuals who believe absolutely that "A" is more
important than "B", and some other individuals who believe just as
fervently that "B" is more important than "A," then it is the
responsibility of those elected by all of us to reach a consensus that
both extremes will find more or less equally unsatisfactory, and that
everyone that falls in between the two extremes of the A/B question
can live with.

Speaking only in the most general terms of course.

I feel strongly about some of issues you mention, and less strongly
about others. I also have biases and opinions about things you didn't
mention, but that are also very much points of contention these days.
But I'll keep all that to myself due to the off-topical nature of this
discussion.

Steve

[Ron Mc]

regarding rationality.  All the issues I've seen listed here (other than taxes) are state issues and not federal issues, so to paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I don't think voting for the President means what you think it means.  

Jim, I'm sure Sen. Romney has already spent a couple of years on a bike - he's fit right in.  

[Seth Vidal]

Ron,

 I think you need to study your poli-sci more. I'm pretty sure equal protection clause is where this sits and that's in the 14th ammendment.

Also Romney was a governor, not a senator.

-sv

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regarding rationality.  All the issues I've seen listed here (other than taxes) are state issues and not federal issues, so to paraphrase Inigo Montoya, I don't think voting for the President means what you think it means.  

Jim, I'm sure Sen. Romney has already spent a couple of years on a bike - he's fit right in.  

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[Ron Mc]

hi seth, know both, just typing fast between work breaks.  but still state issues, nor does the president have control over the 14th amendment.  

There is no question the republicans wrote a stupid platform that cost them the election, but don't think that people who voted for Romney are bigots.  

[Peter Morgano]

Hey lost track of this conversation at work today. I hope that Ron does not think that I assume everyone who voted for Romney is a bigot or racist. Everyone who voted for Romney voted for the wrong guy, in my opinion but I am sure they had thier own reasons and I would not assume any blanket reason. Looking back at the comments I cant see anyone who wants to "force" thier opinion on anyone else or make anyone else believe something they dont.  I dont feel we need someone on here "defending" us from anyone elses comments though, seems to me we are all adults and would not be swayed by what someone wrote on some message board.   Oh and BTW Federal Government enforces all the Constitutional Amendments, they are Amendments to the Federal Constitution after all.

 

 

On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

hi seth, know both, just typing fast between work breaks.  but still state issues, nor does the president have control over the 14th amendment.  

There is no question the republicans wrote a stupid platform that cost them the election, but don't think that people who voted for Romney are bigots.  

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[Dave]

I'm starting to think this thread is out of gas, Riv-wise.

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[Rick]

I voted early, but rode the Atlantis to work on election day in a
deluge here in the ATL. Even had on the rainpants, and it was pouring
enough to still soak through the leather uppers of my boots. (Should
have bought those splats . . . ) I figured if I didn't ride, it would
be bad luck. Then I rode home in moderately less nasty weather, and
made some fresh bread for the kids to continue the karma.
Surprisingly, it worked.

[Garth]

I rode my Bombadil right past the polling place :)

[Allingham II, Thomas J]

HA!

 

From: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of John L
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 7:18 PM
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Who rode their bicycle to vote in the US today?

 

Bull-Moose, all the way.

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:38:38 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote:

I love talking politics, but to bring the discussion more on-topic: Which party is friendlier to the lugged steel lobby? Discuss!

On Wednesday, November 7, 2012 3:25:21 PM UTC-6, Peter M wrote:

First off that map is misleading since it has the democrat highlighted in red. Second, yes the Democrats lost the south forever after the civil rights acts in the 60s, I would think to the millions of people that have had thier lives improved for the better because of the Civil Rights act would not be sad about that. And dont try to tell me about the south, I lived in South Carolina for 9 years, 5 of those in  rural area, they hate the democrats for really just one big reason, sad but true.

On Wed, Nov 7, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com> wrote:

Peter, Grant, here is the polarization of our country from 1960 to 2000

 

EC map - 1960 presidential election 

EC map 2000 election

 

 

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[Dave]

I hinted at that earlier, but noooooo...

On 11/8/2012 2:53 PM, Kelly wrote:

Can't believe this thread is still open... Things like below will turn this ugly very quickly.  oops.. turned it ugly.

Kelly

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[Peter Morgano]

More importantly UPS lost my phil tools so it's either wait for them to find that package or put the shimano bb in so I can ride tomorrow, grrr.