Kojak!
PATRICK MOORE
-- also only in the more expensive ($60) folding model -- but they
come in two widths -- 1.35 and 2.0 -- and in wire and folding in the
559 size. (I have the wire 559X1.35s on Riv #3.) And, they come in all
sorts of other small, weird sizes, too.
Wonderful tires. I finlated them to roughly 65/70 and they rolled
fast, fast fast and smooth, smooth, smooth on the bike path 18 miler I
just took; wonderful smoothness over some broken pavement I rolled
over at speed. And they even have a belt of some sort. Damn' great
tires. I don't particularly like the way they look but at least the
"Kojak" lights up in headlights.
So: Schwalbe Big Apples and Schwalbe Kojaks: two great gifts to the
cycling world.
Patrick "who loves ya, baby?" Moore in blustery ABQ, NM
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Steve Palincsar
> Buy them. Too bad they come only in the 35 mm width in the 700C size
> -- also only in the more expensive ($60) folding model -- but they
> come in two widths -- 1.35 and 2.0 -- and in wire and folding in the
> 559 size. (I have the wire 559X1.35s on Riv #3.) And, they come in all
> sorts of other small, weird sizes, too.
>
> Wonderful tires. I finlated them to roughly 65/70 and they rolled
> fast, fast fast and smooth, smooth, smooth on the bike path 18 miler I
> just took; wonderful smoothness over some broken pavement I rolled
> over at speed. And they even have a belt of some sort. Damn' great
> tires. I don't particularly like the way they look but at least the
> "Kojak" lights up in headlights.
They're equally nice in small wheel diameters. I have them (32-369) on
my AM-series Moulton, in fact they're the only current tire available
for that size, so it's a darned good thing they're a really good tire.
They're also available in the 349, 355, 406 and 507 small-wheeler sizes,
which will take care of most, if not all, small-wheelers.
William
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Montclair BobbyB
Hey, it's a Telly Savalas thing... What's not to love about smooth and
slick???
Just look at these... I get more compliments on these tires...
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461051@N04/6269320757/in/set-72157627952503574/
Bobby "We're all born bald, baby" Birmingham
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Montclair BobbyB
slicks...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsXaoppIfow
On Feb 2, 9:07 pm, Montclair BobbyB <montclairbob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick:
>
> Hey, it's a Telly Savalas thing... What's not to love about smooth and
> slick???
PATRICK MOORE
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On Feb 3, 12:50 am, Brian Hanson <stone...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Patrick - totally agree on the Kojaks! I've run the 2 inchers on my Miyata
> commuter for about a year now. Super smooth, and light enough. Not the
> total cushy of a Big Apple, but a lot less weight. I have had only one
> flat so far (just last week), but it was a 3 inch nail I picked up on our
> nasty post-snow roads.
>
> http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6019/6326622118_4e35b506af_b.jpg
> <http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6019/6326622118_4e35b506af_b.jpg>
>
> Brian
> Seattle, WA
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:04 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Smooth, slick -- and shiny! Love the Cimarron and the siren, too.
>
> > On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Montclair BobbyB
> > <montclairbob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Patrick:
>
> > > Hey, it's a Telly Savalas thing... What's not to love about smooth and
> > > slick???
> > > Just look at these... I get more compliments on these tires...
>
Tim McNamara
How does the Kojak 1.35 compare to the Panaracer 1.25?
PATRICK MOORE
measurement when mounted on a typical ~24 mm rim?
PATRICK MOORE
Kojak rolls better and is certainly more flat resistant; of course it
costs more than twice as much.
What 559X1" tires did you use? I haven't ridden the Kojaks enough to
say for sure, but I *think* they roll as well as the tiny, light (198
gr) and supple NOS 559 Specialized Turbos, hitherto my benchmark for
fast, 559 tires. I must factor in the much greater weight of the
Kojaks -- the 559X1.35 wire beads are just under 400 grams -- which
seems to add to the "inertial" feel of the wheels (particularly
noticeable on a fixed gear), but again, both the 559 and 622 pairs
seem to be as good rolling as any tire I've used.
I also seem to feel that the Kojaks are more supple at similar
pressures than the Paselas -- certainly I was surprised by the feel of
the new 35s.
PS: those 622X32 Pasela TGs and the Michelin Axial Pro: am not trying
to make a killing; they are taking up floor space (in a pile of stuff
I've been procrastinating in clearing up) and if no one takes them
they go to Goodwill or to a bike co-op somewhere. See earlier mss for
things I am interested to take in trade.
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:07 AM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> I've been using the 26 x 1.25 Pasela for years, finding it to be the fastest 26" tire bigger than 26 x 1.0 of all the ones I've tried, except the old Avocet slick which hasn't been available for years. It feels slower than the 700C versions of the Pasela, although objectively my average speeds are not significantly different on that bike than the others. I mainly use it because my All-Rounder looks odd with 26 x 1.0 tires due to the massive clearances of the frame (it'll run 2" knobbies without problems).
>
> How does the Kojak 1.35 compare to the Panaracer 1.25?
>
PATRICK MOORE
weight, flat resistance, rolling resistance?
Allingham II, Thomas J
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On Feb 3, 2012, at 11:09 AM, PATRICK MOORE wrote:
> I used the 559X32 mm (1.25) Pasela and was less than overwhelmed. The
> Kojak rolls better and is certainly more flat resistant; of course it
> costs more than twice as much.
>
> What 559X1" tires did you use? I haven't ridden the Kojaks enough to
> say for sure, but I *think* they roll as well as the tiny, light (198
> gr) and supple NOS 559 Specialized Turbos, hitherto my benchmark for
> fast, 559 tires.
In 26 x 1.0 I used the Ritchey Tom Slicks, the Continental GPs and Pr1mo Racers in particular. The Specialized tires I have never even seen. The Ritcheys were prone to casing failures so I stopped using them although they were pretty fast. The Pr1mos were really fragile- but fast- and I stopped using those. I used the Specialized Fatboy 1.25s and was underwhelmed by those.
The smaller wheels seem more susceptible to tire performance than 700C wheels, IME. Something I don't get about 26" wheels is that almost every tire maker that makes tires for that size seems to think they have to be built like tanks with thick rubber, honking tread patterns, puncture proof BS, yadda yadda yadda. You end up with a 1.25 or 1.5 wide tire that weighs 600 g. A light high performance tire for 559 wheels is hard to find.
> I must factor in the much greater weight of the
> Kojaks -- the 559X1.35 wire beads are just under 400 grams -- which
> seems to add to the "inertial" feel of the wheels (particularly
> noticeable on a fixed gear), but again, both the 559 and 622 pairs
> seem to be as good rolling as any tire I've used.
>
> I also seem to feel that the Kojaks are more supple at similar
> pressures than the Paselas -- certainly I was surprised by the feel of
> the new 35s.
Thanks for that. I am trying to remember if I have seen the Kojaks at Hiawatha Cyclery (since that's the only bike shop I go to, I wouldn't have seen them anywhere else). I've had one pair of Schwalbe tires, some racy 355 size ones back when I had my Birdy folder. They were better than the stock tires (which were cheap and cheesy). But Schwalbe's over-emphasis on flat protection leaves me cold. The tires end up being way too heavy and at least in one's hand seem like they would be slow and lifeless on the road. I am usually not that bothered by flats, I normally only get 3-4 per year with the Paselas which have thin rubber and no puncture protection type stuff (I don't use the TGs). We've got no goatheads around here and while there's some broken glass it's not as bad as many places.
Too many years of bike racing- performance and speed are still a primary interest for me when riding a bike. I am not happy on a bike over 25 lbs and not happy if it doesn't feel fast. I want lightness, nimbleness and speed since I ride for fun almost exclusively (even when riding to work- I do it because it's fun). But I also dislike plastic frames and wheels with too-few spokes, and I prefer DT friction shifters... and I've reached an age where Lycra is not such a good idea.
Montclair BobbyB
might....nevertheless from what I have observed between all three
tires:
- For riding mostly road, I prefer the 50mm wide Kojaks at 50+ PSI (70
is max)... These roll like magic
- For a mix of road/dirt, I prefer the Big Apples (50mm is still the
most practical in my opinion, but the cushiness of the 60mm is
downright dreamy and on the right bike, impossible to resist ...)
The Fat Franks may look better terms of cool colors, but honestly they
feel like they add rolling resistance (likely due to the extra
tread).
Tire technology has definitely progressed... and it's a great time to
be riding fat tires....
BB
On Feb 3, 12:17 pm, "Allingham II, Thomas J"
> Can't compare -- I have ridden only the Fat Franks (which I've ridden a lot) among those tires. But I know Bobby B has ridden all three, and has informed opinions.
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> Oh, and how do the Fat Franks compare with the K and the BAs -- weight, flat resistance, rolling resistance?
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I'll try to pick up a pair of the 622x35's for the yet-to-be Quickbeam, they'd be perfect for that bike. And maybe as a summer (no fenders) tire on the Casseroll road bike, which regularly sees dirt and gravel.
Unrelatedly, what seatpost is that on the Fargo? I see that you are a man that, like me, prefers a generous amount of setback. I've been using the Nitto S-84 (Wayback) post recently, but alternatives are always good.
PATRICK MOORE
lightest form is probably no less than 28 lb and the trike is probably
about 30 lb -- tho' I do very much appreciate the effect of weight on
the "feel" of a bike, particularly handling, climbing and
acceleration; my Rivs take over the chores of being light. But I am
very sensitive to tires and I think you will like the narrower Kojaks.
Too bad no one makes a, say, 28 mm, supple, folding, 220 gram 559 road
tire -- it should not be hard. The folding 1.35s in the 559 size weigh
a claimed 295 grams, which isn't too bad -- the non TG Paselas in that
size weigh 240 grams -- and, once again, much to my surprise and
pleasure, they **seem** at least to roll as well as the very nice old
stock 559X23 Turbos that they replaced. The Turbos IME roll as well
and are softer than the 559X25 mm Conti GPs. Note again that I am
comparing the cheaper, heavier -- 395 gram, which I've confirmed on a
postal scale -- wire bead Kojaks to the Turbos. And of course you get
the additional benefit of more cushioning (tho' again the Turbos are
very, very smooth for their skinny width) and more rim protection.
I think you will be pleased with the Kojaks, even the cheaper wire
bead ones. Frankly, having ridden my 1.35s, I see no need to continue
to wail about the excessively fat Compass model; the Kojak is all that
I want. (Well, make it look less "agressive.")
On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Tim McNamara <tim...@bitstream.net> wrote:
> In 26 x 1.0 I used the Ritchey Tom Slicks, the Continental GPs and Pr1mo Racers in particular. The Specialized tires I have never even seen. The Ritcheys were prone to casing failures so I stopped using them although they were pretty fast. The Pr1mos were really fragile- but fast- and I stopped using those. I used the Specialized Fatboy 1.25s and was underwhelmed by those.
>
> The smaller wheels seem more susceptible to tire performance than 700C wheels, IME. Something I don't get about 26" wheels is that almost every tire maker that makes tires for that size seems to think they have to be built like tanks with thick rubber, honking tread patterns, puncture proof BS, yadda yadda yadda. You end up with a 1.25 or 1.5 wide tire that weighs 600 g. A light high performance tire for 559 wheels is hard to find.
>
> Thanks for that. I am trying to remember if I have seen the Kojaks at Hiawatha Cyclery (since that's the only bike shop I go to, I wouldn't have seen them anywhere else). I've had one pair of Schwalbe tires, some racy 355 size ones back when I had my Birdy folder. They were better than the stock tires (which were cheap and cheesy). But Schwalbe's over-emphasis on flat protection leaves me cold. The tires end up being way too heavy and at least in one's hand seem like they would be slow and lifeless on the road. I am usually not that bothered by flats, I normally only get 3-4 per year with the Paselas which have thin rubber and no puncture protection type stuff (I don't use the TGs). We've got no goatheads around here and while there's some broken glass it's not as bad as many places.
>
> Too many years of bike racing- performance and speed are still a primary interest for me when riding a bike. I am not happy on a bike over 25 lbs and not happy if it doesn't feel fast. I want lightness, nimbleness and speed since I ride for fun almost exclusively (even when riding to work- I do it because it's fun). But I also dislike plastic frames and wheels with too-few spokes, and I prefer DT friction shifters... and I've reached an age where Lycra is not such a good idea.
PATRICK MOORE
Truvative posts, road and off road, are designed with generous
setback.
Riv content: my penchant for slamming my saddle allaway back is due to
Grant's influence: when I ordered my first (1994, Waterford) Riv I
complained that I was "losing the stroke" at top dead center. He
suggested lowering the saddle and pushing it back, and raising and
bringing back in the bar to match. I did that and went from very high
and forward with very low bar to what you see (tho' my bars on the
road bikes are lower). It seems to have helped back pain, given me
much more power, allowed better handling and turned me from a 120 rpm
spinner (20 mph cruise in a 65" gear) to a masher -- tho' that may
also be just age.
Another lister is sending me some 42 cm Noodles to replace the 46s
shown, and I want to lower the bar by a cm or two. The hooks are fine,
and so are the extended Cane Creek hoods when I do the 90* bent elbow
thing, but riding on the flats makes me feel as if I am going to fall
over backward.
I hope to persuade my brother to build me a custom rear rack for the
Fargo that will clear that fender. Meanwhile my Camper support made
from a $7.49 piece of aluminum strip lets me carry up to 30 lb despite
the 10 kg limit of the SQR.
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wrong with them except they were hell to mount and dismount. I'm
putting on Pasela TG with kevlar bead...got one mounted yesterday, and
it was MUCH easier to mount. Only 260g, says the packaging, so fairly
light. I'm hoping it performs well. My wife wanted the TG model, so
that's what we bought...and she tends to roll through debris that I
avoid. The Tom Slicks had wire beads.
Joe
Tim McNamara
On Feb 3, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Johan Larsson wrote:
> I can also recommend the Kojak 35 mm's. Being close to 33 mm on "standard" rims they are the absolute max what I can squeeze in on my XO-1 with fenders, and I've enjoyed them for two years now. Would love to be able to fit the larger 2"/50 mm ones, but I have to find another bike for that. Anyway, I can't recall that I've had a single flat with the Kojak's, and I've also outrolled many people on supposedly fast(er) tires.
Thanks for that!