Newsflash: High-trail Rivendells work with rear-load bias!
Esteban
load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
back until yesterday:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/lightbox/
Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight
up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on
rails. The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight away
unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull
of the weight back there. Otherwise, its really quite neutral.
Who would have thunk?
Joe Bunik
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> hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
>
I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
-sv
Joe Bunik
I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
heel-strike?
=- Joe
Esteban
oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
heel-strike?=- Joe
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> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik <jbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
>>
>
> I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
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> If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
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difficult, but forget if that was using toe clips or if it was
platforms. Irony of course is I've finally wound up with a
monster-stayed Trek 728... probably would work well on Sir Rosco Bubbe
too.
=- Joe
On 4/11/12, Esteban <Prot...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yea, the rack's on there thanks to Joe! I have the rack mounted on the
> fender-mount eyelets rather than the higher and slightly more forward
> rack-mount eyelets. Bags are pushed all the way back. I experiences some
> heel strike (maybe about 5 times on a 20-mile round trip commute), but I
> have sneaker pedals on there right now and I move my foot around a lot. I
> wont' know if its a consistent problem until I put some clipless on there.
> Its worth noting that these are pretty long chainstays - similar to a
> Saluki.
>
> On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 9:40:15 AM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> oops, that danged reply-to :-) ... E. and I swapped some rackages and
>> I know that rear Campee well. But do tell: no problems with
>> heel-strike?
>>
>> =- Joe
>>
>> On 4/11/12, Seth Vidal <skv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Joe Bunik <jbu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> hey man where'd you get that awesome rack? ;-)
>> >>
>> >
>> > I love it. It would be perfect on our tandem.
>> >
>> > If anyone happens to have one they'd like to sell, let me know.
>> >
>> > -sv
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I'm looking forward to Rosco jokes like the following:
"Hey guys, I'll be back in a few minutes. I'm gonna dismount and take a walk to the back end of my Rosco and look for my camp stove."
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She: "OK, be careful. Where are you going?"
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How long is really the chainstay? Grant only wrote that some sizes will have chainstays longer than 46cm. My wife's 1982 Trek 720 has a chainstay of 47cm, and you can definitely see and feel that extra length. One place where one experiences issue is chain length. A brand new SRAM 970 chain out of package is not long enough for 46T chainring/32T large cog combination. I was too lazy to lengthen the chain but tagging on a few more links, but for now just told my wife not to shift to the Big-Big combination lest she wants to break the derailleur.
Franklyn
On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:
EricP
dougP
last weekend I did an S24O with maybe 10 lbs per bag (tent in one,
sleeping bag in the other, misc clothes) and just tossing that onto
the rear was noticeable. I had my front low riders on so had the
chance to move the same load to the other end on the same ride and
voila! What a difference. FWIW, I've been exploring this issue for
years and keep coming back to the same conclusion: weight in front
first.
Very cool looking rack set-up, Esteban. Glad it works out; looks like
heel strike wouldn't be an issue.
dougP
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> - Show quoted text -
John Speare
>> FWIW, I've been exploring this issue for
years and keep coming back to the same conclusion: weight in front
first.
with a big old caveat: as long as the weight is on low riders, not above the wheel. Tubus Tara is my favorite.
I'm going to build a "lasher" rack for my main camping/touring/s240 bike -- the idea is to haul heavy stuff up front, and to lash light bulky stuff (sleeping pad and bag) on the lasher rack, which will sit low and behind my rear axle.
John Speare
Spokane, WA
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Totally agree on the need for low riders. Esteban's photo showing the
rear load placement is intriguing. Your idea of a "lasher rack"
sounds a good one. I've been carrying my clothes, etc, heavier stuff
up front on a Tubus Duo and the camping gear (lighter but bulkier) on
the rear, on a Nitto big back rack, and this combination is quite
stable. I was surprised when such a light load on the rear was so
noticeable, and merely moving it to the front was such a change. The
classic "2 bags on the back & bar bag in front" doesn't work for me,
even with a light load.
Like to see photos of the lasher rack when you get it done.
dougP
On Apr 12, 11:38 am, John Speare <j...@phred.org> wrote:
> Doug -- I agree with this:
>
> >> FWIW, I've been exploring this issue for
>
> years and keep coming back to the same conclusion: weight in front
> first.
>
> with a big old caveat: as long as the weight is on low riders, not above the wheel. Tubus Tara is my favorite.
>
> I'm going to build a "lasher" rack for my main camping/touring/s240 bike -- the idea is to haul heavy stuff up front, and to lash light bulky stuff (sleeping pad and bag) on the lasher rack, which will sit low and behind my rear axle.
>
> John Speare
>
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Peter Pesce
I was messing around last night and I think I might actually try to put the marks rack with a platrack on the REAR of the QB and strap the bag to that. Anyone ever tried this?
Pete in CT
RJM
grant
have to wince so much, please? And I hope this post doesn't start a
thread about This.
Just a hope
G
On the road and ipad
On Apr 11, 9:24 am, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
> load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
> back until yesterday:
>
Peter Morgano
Don't know what trail or rake or gear inches are, not too sure what geometry means to a bike or what chainstay length affects just know homer is really comfy with bags or without. I did a few thousand miles on a Murray shadow and a trek jazz growing up using my book bag to lug stuff around so maybe not as demanding as some though.
RJM
On Thursday, April 12, 2012 10:24:20 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
Don't know what trail or rake or gear inches are, not too sure what geometry means to a bike or what chainstay length affects just know homer is really comfy with bags or without. I did a few thousand miles on a Murray shadow and a trek jazz growing up using my book bag to lug stuff around so maybe not as demanding as some though.
On Apr 12, 2012 11:15 PM, "grant" <gran...@gmail.com> wrote:
Rigs not hi trail. Fairly nom. Can we chane thread name so I don't
have to wince so much, please? And I hope this post doesn't start a
thread about This.
Just a hope
G
On the road and ipad
On Apr 11, 9:24 am, Esteban <proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
> load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
> back until yesterday:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/l...
>
> Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight
> up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on
> rails. The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight away
> unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull
> of the weight back there. Otherwise, its really quite neutral.
>
> Who would have thunk?
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Liesl
>
> Pete in CT
using it with a shopsack for grocery shopping. This is with my faux
QB (proto bleriot set up as a single). I think I've had 25-30 pounds
on it (I had a recent post listing what was in the shopsack the first
time I tried this), but for only about 2-3 miles as it was just home
from the co-op. Also note that I am short and my frame is little, and
I am not one of those young 40-something-whippersnappers but rather
one of those young 50-something-whippersnappers. My thoughts are as
follows: 1) if this load had been up front on my nitto mini front
rack, I would've hated it. 2) I didn't love it up high on the back,
but the ease of the set-up in every which way and my short-haul
purpose made it worth it. 3) it would be an even better set-up on a
Betty/Yves due to the swinging the short little leg up high over the
rear end factor. 4) the rigging/lashing of the basket to the rack was
really stable as far as the mounting was concern--in addition to
lashing it to the Tubus, I also o zip-tied the top of the wald basket
to the saddle loops of the brooks. This works with a low saddle
nicely. 5) I suppose I should give it up and start posting pictures
on flicker because I'm beginning to feel like a parasite getting all
these good ideas from looking at everyone's photos and I haven't
posted anything ever on flicker...
your grateful-to-everyone-who-posts-photos-of-their-rivs friend, liesl
Liesl
> geometry means to a bike or what chainstay length affects
Peter Pesce
Swinging a leg over a high rear load is a chore even for us long-of-limb-ers. I think I still have scar from the first time I lashed a milk crate to rear rack.
My scheme is actually even more nutty- I have a way to clip my commuter bag/briefcase directly onto the Platrack (inspired by the way the Slicker Sack attaches) but I really dont want it in front, so I'm thinking of putting the platrack on the rear. I may need to do the "short stay" mod that someone just posted in another thread, or maybe I can run the long stays down to the rear dropouts. I also don't know if I'll get heel strike problems. Only one way to find out!
I certainly WILL post pics of any discoveries to share. (I won't post pics of abject failures, though!)
-Pete (mad rack scientist) in CT
dougP
shopping / commuting / daily use and multi-day touring.
For short trips, ease of loading / unloading and perhaps having to
wrestle the bike onto a train or bus is more important than handling
because the time & distance are relatively short. I've strapped all
sorts of large, bulky things onto the top of my Acorn boxy bag.
Handling is horrible but perfectly livable for the short duration.
On a tour, I'm on the bike for hours at a time, in unfamiliar
territory, and day after day. Stability and predictability become
primary, and ease of loading / unloading take a back seat.
These two loading situations may each have a different solution, even
for the same rider. Individual riding styles and preferences can also
affect "what works" for different people. One of the many cool things
about this group is all the solutions people come up with. I would
never have guessed that rear panniers as shown in Esteban's photo
would work.
dougP
Zack
On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:24:23 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote:
Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
back until yesterday:
dougP
been overworked.
dougP
On Apr 13, 11:31 am, Zack <zack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not sure about high trail or rear load bias, but i am sure that:
> a platrack with a wald basket zip tied to it and a shopville shopsack and a
> top rack with a large saddlesack on it on my 64 Sam make it so that I can
> easily carry a bunch of stuff. bike feels stable, rides smooth, and
> doesn't get wonky.
>
> trips to the co-op, overnight camping, jaunts to downtown meetings with my
> laptop and other stuff, and riding around for errands are all totally
> awesome with this setup.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:24:23 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote:
>
> > Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with a
> > load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
> > back until yesterday:
>
> > Front low-riders have always felt good on this bike - the low weight
> > up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its on
> > rails. The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight away
> > unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the push-pull
> > of the weight back there. Otherwise, its really quite neutral.
>
EricP
RJM
On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:11:38 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
Esteban
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And David for having an archive full of great photos, proving the ride
really happened.
dougP
On Apr 14, 10:10 am, cyclotourist <cyclotour...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My Rivendell is convertible to both a
> -trail <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4320596499/>and a
> low<http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3666895531/in/set-721576025...>
> -trail
> <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3667675976/in/set-721576025...>configuration.
> one or the other, don't hesitate to try both!
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 14, 2012 at 5:26 AM, EricP <ericpl...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Thank you! Now that is true high trail.
>
> > Or it is to me, a midwesterner where nothing rises more than a couple of
> > hundred feet.
>
> > Eric Platt
> > St. Paul, MN
>
> > On Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:44:29 AM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:
>
> >> I can't seem to edit the subject line myself. I was trying to poke fun,
> >> apparently to no avail, of the trail discussions. But while we're on it,
> >> here's Eric's high trail:
>
> >> On Friday, April 13, 2012 5:51:11 PM UTC-7, RJM wrote:
>
> >>> No kidding about the "t" subject being overdone. It sounds to me like a
> >>> marketing phrase that has caught on or something.
>
> >>> On Friday, April 13, 2012 3:11:38 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> >>>> Edited subject line in deference to GP's request. The "t" subject has
> >>>> been overworked.
>
> >>>> dougP
>
> >>>> On Apr 13, 11:31 am, Zack <zack...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> > I am not sure about high trail or rear load bias, but i am sure that:
> >>>> > a platrack with a wald basket zip tied to it and a shopville shopsack
> >>>> and a
> >>>> > top rack with a large saddlesack on it on my 64 Sam make it so that
> >>>> I can
> >>>> > easily carry a bunch of stuff. bike feels stable, rides smooth, and
> >>>> > doesn't get wonky.
>
> >>>> > trips to the co-op, overnight camping, jaunts to downtown meetings
> >>>> with my
> >>>> > laptop and other stuff, and riding around for errands are all totally
> >>>> > awesome with this setup.
>
> >>>> > On Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:24:23 PM UTC-4, Esteban wrote:
>
> >>>> > > Maybe it is the francophile in me, but I've toured and ridden with
> >>>> a
> >>>> > > load up front on my Protovelo. I've never ridden with bags in the
> >>>> > > back until yesterday:
>
> >>>> photostream/l.<http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/l.>..
Esteban
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stripe on the cliff marks sea level.
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On Apr 14, 7:00 pm, Esteban <Proto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You want LOW TRAIL!? I'll give you low trail.
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/4044886842/
>
> Death Valley. I loved that Romulus. Now my brother rides it.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, April 14, 2012 10:10:12 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > -trail <http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4320596499/>and a low<http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/3666895531/in/set-721576025...>
> > -trail
> > one or the other, don't hesitate to try both!
>
>
> >> Thank you! Now that is true high trail.
>
> >> Or it is to me, a midwesterner where nothing rises more than a couple of
> >> hundred feet.
>
> >> Eric Platt
> >> St. Paul, MN
>
> >> On Saturday, April 14, 2012 12:44:29 AM UTC-5, Esteban wrote:
>
> >>> I can't seem to edit the subject line myself. I was trying to poke fun,
> >>> apparently to no avail, of the trail discussions. But while we're on it,
> >>> here's Eric's high trail:
>
> >>>>> photostream/l.<http://www.flickr.com/photos/25671211@N02/7067953309/in/photostream/l.>..
>
> >>>>> weight
> >>>>> > > up there seems to anchor the steering and the bike feels like its
> >>>>> on
> >>>>> > > rails. The rear low-riders on this bike seem to take the weight
> >>>>> away
> >>>>> > > unless I'm climbing... or descending - when I can feel the
> >>>>> push-pull
> >>>>> > > of the weight back there. Otherwise, its really quite neutral.
>
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