Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Hi everyone,

Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there
are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again.

So. I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike. I
have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt
road riding, etc. I love it. But I really want a bike for everything
else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and
there. The Terraferma's not made for loads. Someday I'll finish the
Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to
do it on.

The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/
w the two is, for me, significant. $500 will go a long way building
up a Hunqa. I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will
test both. But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have-
you now.

Thanks and best wishes,

Christian

[Joe Bernard]

In my size they're both 26-inch wheel bikes, and my favorite Rivs. I'd take the Hunqapillar simply because I love the color. The price drop is nice, too, but wouldn't be the decider.

 

Joe Bernard

Fairfield, CA.

[cyclotourist]

Hi Christian, arm-chair expert replying here, but if it's loaded touring you'll be doing, get the Hunq.   The Atlantis can of course do that, but I bet the extra beefiness of the Hunq would really shine through.  Also don't forget the Sam H.  Very capable and at the lower price point as well.

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[Leslie]

If Atlantis is really in the mix, I would suggest a Bombadil even;  the Atlantis really was/is Rivendell's original touring bike, but the Bombadil is even moreso. 

However, as the Sam is a more affordable Homer  (remember this page? http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/30/original_A.pdf  I always liked that, 100% of the function but saving $1000; of course, the Sam's gone up a bit now, but, the idea still holds)... anyway, along those lines of thinking, I'd think the Hunqapillar is what you would want to look at.   Rivendell bikes do have a good amount of overlap, any of the three would do the job very well, but why not the Hunq?  $500 is a good part of the way on the parts, so, I say, sure, go Hunq.    The only reason I would see why you might not want to is if you did have your heart set on 650B wheels... both the Hunq and the Atlantis are 26" on the smaller end, 700c on the larger sizes;  the biggest Bombadils are also 700c, but the smaller ones are 650B.  

You have perused this page, right? http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/429/original_currentbikesrr43.pdf   Sounds like, the Hunq is made for you......

[Joe Bernard]

My opinion is a shallow one: I think the paint job on the Hunqapillar is the most beautiful combo Rivendell has produced. Get the pretty one, save 500 bucks.

 

Joe Bernard

Fairfield, CA.

[charlie]

You have answered you own question so yes, get the 'Hunqua'.......I
think any sensible ride could be done on the 'Hunk' and will probably
last a lifetime or more.

[Scotty]

I find that a very tough choice myself. Why not both? :-) 

 

Really I dont think you can go wrong with either. That Hunq sure is pretty, stunningly so. The Atlantis is the bike that drew me to Rivendell in the first place. It was my original Riv dream bike. If I did not already have a capable Touring bike it is probably what I would have gotten, but since i did I went in a different direction and bought a Hilsen.

 

I recently saw a set of pictures on the Yves Gomez facebook page of a Hunqapillar that went on display at some bike related art thing, and it truly is a work of art. Possibly the most beautiful bike I have ever seen.

[Anne Paulson]

Here's a question maybe some of you Hunq owners can answer-- what is the Atlantis giving away in loaded touring? At what point would I be touring on my Atlantis and say to myself, wow, wish my bike wasn't doing that, I wish I had a Hunq instead?

Seriously. I can easily imagine a point where I thought to myself, I wish I was riding a bike with a front suspension instead of my Atlantis (and for me, that point would come on the Great Divide, but YMMV). But I'm trying to understand when I'd wish I had a Hunq and what the symptoms would be. (I ride a 56 cm. Things might be different if I were on a bigger frame.)

Christian, for you it sounds like the Hunq is the right choice.

-- Anne

On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, cyclotourist <cyclot...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Christian, arm-chair expert replying here, but if it's loaded touring you'll be doing, get the Hunq.   The Atlantis can of course do that, but I bet the extra beefiness of the Hunq would really shine through.  

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[Ray Shine]

I'll second Anne's question re the Atlantis. Where does it slide in comparison to the hunq? In other words, how much more capable is one model over the other, in real carrying capacity?

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Subject: Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Zack]

I made my decision between bomba, sam, atlantis, and hunk like this:

I have a 93.5" pbh.

They aren't making the 64 cm Atlantis any more.  So no Atlantis.

Bomba is nice, but is more expensive than the hunk, and there was a long backorder (like 6 months I think, but I could be off on that) when I was looking at them in May.

So to me it came down to the Hunk vs. the Sam.  

I rode, and loved, both.  The 62cm Hunk was nice.  It felt very stable, comfortable, and was a super-fun bike to ride.  It was really unlike any bike I had ever ridden.  Loading it up would be a blast.  Riding it around empty would also be fun, but it doesn't "feel" fast.

The 64cm Sam was also fantastic.  It felt lighter and more spry.  Much more like the bikes that I am used to riding.  The double-top tube helps make it more stable I think, and I can use that stability as I am a big guy.  I loved that I could set this up with noodles and jack browns and ride fast-ish, and that i could put duremes and albas on it and ride slower and loaded up (but not as loaded as I could get on the hunk).  

To me, the versatility of the Sam was the clincher. 

This is all clearly just my opinion/feel/etc., but I figured I'd share.  On a side note, I am probably going to get the Sam in the next few weeks, I am psyched.

[charlie]

I think it really depends on the riders weight/size and how much of a
load the bike will carry. The 'Hunk' has heavier gauge tubing which
would be a plus as would the added diagonal tube. Can't remember the
ground clearance dimension but the Atlantis seems more like a road
touring bicycle rather than a multi surface off roader if you get my
drift. An Atlantis seems like the perfect Rando bike for a heavy guy
and the Sam for more normal weight people. The 'Hunk' is just beefier
and so would be able to carry more weight and not feel like riding a
wet noodle. Not a problem for a 180 pounder with a load but it sure
would be for a 280 pound rider and a load. My own (similar to the
Atlantis) touring frame is kind of rated for a 275 pound load and I
tip the scales at 260 so I don't load it with much and use it as my
normal derailleur geared road bicycle. Hey... maybe I will get a
'Hunk' since my Simple One has been such a pleasure to ride. What ever
happened to the load limit chart for the Riv models anyway.

On Jul 5, 5:55 pm, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Here's a question maybe some of you Hunq owners can answer-- what is the
> Atlantis giving away in loaded touring? At what point would I be touring on
> my Atlantis and say to myself, wow, wish my bike wasn't doing that, I wish I
> had a Hunq instead?
>
> Seriously. I can easily imagine a point where I thought to myself, I wish I
> was riding a bike with a front suspension instead of my Atlantis (and for
> me, that point would come on the Great Divide, but YMMV). But I'm trying to
> understand when I'd wish I had a Hunq and what the symptoms would be. (I
> ride a 56 cm. Things might be different if I were on a bigger frame.)
>
> Christian, for you it sounds like the Hunq is the right choice.
>
> -- Anne
>

[Anne Paulson]

So, then, you're saying that if I'm a medium weight person carrying a normal amount that a loaded tourist might carry-- say, not much more than 65 pounds-- and I'm not riding on gnarly single track but on paved roads, fire roads and single track that is not gnarly, then the Hunq would offer no advantage to me over the Atlantis? Except, of course, the considerable advantage of being $500 cheaper?

In fact I do take my Atlantis, loaded up with 50 or 60 pounds, on fire roads, paved roads and non-gnarly single track, and it performs beautifully. YMMV.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, charlie <charle...@hotmail.com> wrote:

I think it really depends on the riders weight/size and how much of a
load the bike will carry. The 'Hunk' has heavier gauge tubing which
would be a plus as would the added diagonal tube. Can't remember the
ground clearance dimension but the Atlantis seems more like a road
touring bicycle rather than a multi surface off roader if you get my
drift.  

 

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[Christian]

Thanks everyone! Just what I wanted: some good old opinions. I love
the color too. By the way, I'd be looking at the 54 as I am 5'9" and
so the 26in wheels are out of the mix.

I think the Hunk is the one for me. The Sam looks nice too but the
stoutness of the Hunk really appeals to me. But I'll try a bunch when
I am out there.

Now I just have to go through the agonizing process of convincing
myself and my wife that I need it in addition to my Terraferma! That
said, it does seem to me like a great combo: a speedy 650B that's
comfortable all day and can handle dirt and stout touring do-
everything-else bike. I don't have other biking needs/interests.

Thanks again.

Christianc

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[Larry Powers]

Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a cream head tube.    I also like the paint on the Atlantis, it is good looking, it has been the only stock color of the bike since it went into production and when you see the color you know exactly what bike it is.  A true classic. 
 
The Atlantis is a very stout touring bike although it was not designed to be an off road touring bike.  Mine is a 61cm frame and I would not hesitate to loaded tour on dirt roads and single track with it.  I don't know how the bottom bracket height compares to the Hunqapillar but if one is higher then the other then it may be better for more technical terrain.   The other issue is if the bike will get rough use why not go with the lower cost bike since you will not feel quite as bad the first time it gets a good bash on the trail.  
 
You will be happy which ever way you go.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:31:50 -0700
From: joer...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

My opinion is a shallow one: I think the paint job on the Hunqapillar is the most beautiful combo Rivendell has produced. Get the pretty one, save 500 bucks.

 

Joe Bernard

Fairfield, CA.

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[Ginz]

All other differences aside, I think some folks would prefer the
single top-tubed Atlantis over the Hunq simply based on asthetics.
That is a perfectly resonable feeling. It took me a while, but I have
come to like the double-tube.

[William Pustow]

I agree. I was too late in drinking the cool aid and got the green Rambouillet, so when I ordered the Homer I had it painted the original Ram orange.

Bill

Louisville, Ky

[Eric Daume]

For some reason, I somewhat like the diagonal tube on the Hunq, while the parallel tubes on the Homer, etc, are a non starter for me. I don't really care for the full distance diagonals on the Bombadil, either... but lately, the Hunq is kind of preying on my mind.

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[Larry Powers]

Sweet.  I forgot about the Green Rambo that jade green was almost as good as the orange.

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[Ian Dickson]

Happy owner of a 54cm Hunqapillar, here. The only reason I did not get an Atlantis is that I needed larger tire clearances. Either bike is sturdy enough for any reasonable use, and I like the more classic looks of the Atlantis. My Hunq is a nice looking bike, but it's also a strange looking bike. With 29x2s on a 54cm frame, it kind of looks like it's all wheels. Also, you get more sizing choices with the Atlantis. It's a great, time-honored design. Nothing against the Hunqapillar, which is the nicest bike I've ever owned.

[charlie]

Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
Atlantis....The Hunqua is just made for harder, heavier use and I
guess it does take wider tires. The larger frames having the
additional tube would be stiffer also which would help on a heavily
loaded bicycle. I myself prefer the more traditional look of the
Atlantis but if I wanted/needed a beefier bike I'd definitely get the
Hunquapillar ....did I spell that right... the name reminds me of
Caterpillar tractors? I think for most people wanting a road/touring
bicycle the Atlantis is one fine frame and very versatile for what
most people are likely to use a bicycle for.

On Jul 5, 8:44 pm, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, then, you're saying that if I'm a medium weight person carrying a normal
> amount that a loaded tourist might carry-- say, not much more than 65
> pounds-- and I'm not riding on gnarly single track but on paved roads, fire
> roads and single track that is not gnarly, then the Hunq would offer no
> advantage to me over the Atlantis? Except, of course, the considerable
> advantage of being $500 cheaper?
>
> In fact I do take my Atlantis, loaded up with 50 or 60 pounds, on fire
> roads, paved roads and non-gnarly single track, and it performs beautifully.
> YMMV.
>

[Anne Paulson]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie <charle...@hotmail.com> wrote:

Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
Atlantis.... 

How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light riders with light loads? As a data point, I think of myself as a medium-weight rider, and I usually carry a pretty heavy load as touring loads go, yet my Atlantis has performed flawlessly in maybe ten thousand miles of touring.

I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.

[PATRICK MOORE]

This list has many riders in the "north of 250 lb" category, so
"light" and "heavy" take on a rather different meaning.

Patrick "and many of them can ride me into the dirt, too" Moore

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[erik jensen]

you could go on a loaded tour with a road bike and 25mm tires and be just fine. it's really overthinking at a certain point, and i think atlantis v hunq is that point.

pick either bike, they both are more than adequate for any use. match your tire setup to your purpose, they have the same clearance.

to me, owning both, i got a hunqapillar because i wanted a mtb that handled like my atlantis. i could flip parts and have just as good of a bike doing the other task as I do now.

i wouldn't get a bike with less clearance, because i want a bike i can ride home on 40mm tires with a broken spoke (or 2).

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
> How light a rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
> because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
> was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
> riders with light loads?

You're right, that's nonsense. The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
bike suitable only for "light touring" and light riders.

[Larry Powers]

Per Riv:
 
The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.

The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I would not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis. 
 
Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike for this use. 
 
Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any of the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis does not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be the Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no interest in riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am lucky enough to own several several bicycles and between them I can choose the one most suited to the ride of the day.
 
The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because it the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason so take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best and get out and ride.

Larry Powers
 
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> Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

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> Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:08:58 -0400

[William]

Christian

Have you made progress on your decision?  It seems that you are leaning to the 54cm Hunqa and that sounds to me like it would be an excellent choice.  The total list of all possible choices of Rivs seems like it would be:

1.  54cm Hunqa

2.  56cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter Con: 26" wheels (if you don't like 26" wheels) also maybe too small?  $$

3.  58cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter and 700C wheels Con: maybe too large?  $$

4.  56cm Hillborne.  Pro:  Much less expensive  Con:  Maybe forced to sidepull brakes in that size.  

5.  56cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, uses your existing 650B infrastructure  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe too big

6.  52cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, 650B.  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe too small

Since it's a 54cm Hunqa, there is no diagotube, so the frameset weight between that and the Atlantis will be essentially identical.  Seems like that's your bike.  Have you concluded that?

[Christian]

I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
love the color. I am sure it would do all I would want it to do. For
now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
the Atlantis. I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.

As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too. Who knows.

Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
conditions. I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
I'll try the Sam too. My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
terrain, etc. Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken. But it
seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil. My Terraferma can do most things but
it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.

Best wishes,

Christian

On Jul 7, 10:22 am, Larry Powers <lapower...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Per Riv:
>
> The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.
>
> The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I would not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis.  
>
> Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike for this use.  
>
> Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any of the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis does not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be the Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no interest in riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am lucky enough to own several several bicycles and between them I can choose the one most suited to the ride of the day.
>
> The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because it the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason so take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best and get out and ride.
>
> Larry Powers
>
> Rambouillet
> Atlantis
> Quickbeam
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

> > From: palin...@his.com

[SteveF]

On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:37:55 AM UTC-4, Larry Powers wrote:

Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a cream head tube...  

Well, yeah-my Orange'bouillet is my favorite bike aesthetically though I've come to prefer my 650b bikes' performance and proportions.  Though I'd call the trim on the Rambly more white than cream, and a pretty stark white at that.

Looks good no matter how you call it.

Steve

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Christian
<christian....@gmail.com> wrote:
> I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
> love the color.  I am sure it would do all I would want it to do.  For
> now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
> happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
> the Atlantis.  I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
> 54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.
>
> As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
> but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too.  Who knows.
>
> Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
> and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
> conditions.  I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
> I'll try the Sam too.  My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
> want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
> terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
> seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
> either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  My Terraferma can do most things but
> it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
> it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.
>

Have you considered a used atlantis? There have been a number on sale
from time to time on this list. I've debated selling mine occasionally
b/c I've come to the conclusion that I bought a size below where I
should have, but I've never quite pulled the trigger on selling it
b/c, despite being a bit small, it still rides well. :)

-sv

[SteveF]

On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:31:47 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

Hi everyone,

Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there
are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again.

So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I
have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt
road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything
else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and
there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the
Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to
do it on.

The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/
w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building
up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will
test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have-
you now.

Thanks and best wishes,

Christian

Well, I'd go by intended purpose.  If you want to do the divide trail, go with the Hunq for it's off-road leanings.  If you plan mainly paved touring, the Atlantis is worth considering.  The $500 price difference is worth considering, too, of course! 
(I'd want suspension for a Divide ride, myself--my Rivish leanings stop when the trail gets bumpy!)

Steve

Steve 

[Jim M.]

On Jul 6, 8:25 pm, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie <charles_v...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
> Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which
> is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
> Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
> suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or
> the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.

The Great Divide route is on my to-do list. I follow the Tour Divide
race, and the most popular tire among winners has been the WTB
Nanoraptor, which is about a 52, and will fit a Hunq. Deanna Adams did
the Divide on a fixed-gear road bike with Ritchey cyclocross tires:
http://www.xo-1.org/2009/06/deanna-adams-tackles-tour-divide.html

A few years ago, former Riv employee Daniel did the Divide route on,
IIRC, the proto-Hunq, or maybe proto-Bomba. I'm sure the Atlantis
would do fine on the route, but personally I'd want fatter tires and
would probably choose a Hunq (or my non-Riv 29er, which fits 65's.

jim m
wc ca

[Anne Paulson]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian <christian....@gmail.com> wrote:

   My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  

According to the Riv website, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway) put standard-sized mountain bike off-road tires on the Atlantis. They say it takes tires up to 52 mm. If you walk into your LBS and ask to buy a mountain bike tire, they'll show you tires that are 2.1 in (53.3 mm), 2.35 in (59.6 mm) or 2.5 in (63.5 mm). 26 x 1.5 tires are not as common; I know this because that's what I use on my Atlantis and I've from time to time gone to a bike shop to try to find a replacement, with little success.

The Hunqa and Bomba suggested tire sizes go up to 55 mm. So they'll accept the narrower 2.1 inch mountain bike tires, but not wider ones. 

[Christian]

Yeah, suspension might be nice. I rode the Montana section in 1998 and
had a suspension front fork--a Voodoo Erzulie. I do not know about
the rest of the route but the MT section was mostly dirt roads that I
*think* would be OK with fat tires at low pressure. In fact, I
remember my wife and I saying that our tires were TOO fat for most of
the conditions--we'd rather have had something with less rolling
resistance. Now I am veering way off topic.

Thanks

Christian

[Christian]

Great to know--thanks. I am reading and rereading all these details
on the website but don't yet have it all in my head.

Christian

On Jul 7, 1:42 pm, Anne Paulson <anne.paul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian

> <christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com>wrote: