Re: Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

[Leslie]

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 11:03:02 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.

I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.

I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever dropouts the Bleriot has?

Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.

 

As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their velosophy.

Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 choices in the back.

While I agree on the spirit of the thought...

I'm using 9-speed cassettes on my Rivs.  They work, well.  No, I don't need 9; my old Nishiki has 7, and it works fine still, too. But with cassettes that function, do we 'need' to make a cassette w/ fewer, just to do such?  

I mean, if you want a range of 11-32, and you've got an 11-32 9sp,  although you might be fine with a 5sp version of an 11-32, does it hurt to have those four extra cogs in there?   

If, every cassette out there was a 10-sp 11-28, and you wanted to create the first 32 or 34, but to do such, required you to go down to a 5sp, then by all means, it needs to be done.   But we have 11-32, and 11-34, there are some cassettes that go up to 36 too...   

As long as I can get the range I want, in a reasonable number, then I'm okay w/ using what Shimano or SRAM have on the market.  But if there's something new that can be offered, elsewhere, then I'm all for it. 


Hope that makes sense, and doesn't come across as argumentative.

-L

[pb]

Five??  Three cogs is plenty, and 640k of RAM ought to be enough as well.

 

Peter

(Really, really likes compact 2x10)  

 

 

 

[PATRICK MOORE]

I'm not down quite to 5 cogs, but I do run just 7 on each of my
Fargo's 8-9-10 sp wheelsets, with two extra spacers squooshed behind
the big one and the cassette body's lip. I could replace a couple from
the outer end with spacers and make them fives, I suppose but that
would give me highs of only 67" (BAs) and 69" (Kojaks).

Now 5 speed *freewheels* from old bike boom bikes are still relatively
plentiful and cheap, at least if you want 14-28s.

Patrick "16-18-20-22-24-28-34 and 15-17-18-19-21-24-29" Moore

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:03 PM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the
> silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
> I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the
> cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a
> good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever
> dropouts the Bleriot has?
> Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.
>
> As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving
> with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their
> velosophy.
> Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an
> unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 choices
> in the back.
>

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Three? We don't need no stinkin' multispeed freewheels; hell, we don't
even need any stinkin' freewheels. Single speed fixed is the answer.

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[Marc Schwartz]

I have a six speed freewheel on my Bleriot which, like all Bleriot, is spaced at 135mm across the rear dropouts. It is mounted on an old Phil Wood hub.
I re-dished the wheel to accomodate the 135 spacing and the narrower freewheel, and put a new axle and spacers (available from Phil) in the hub. This resulted in a rear wheel with very little dishing, if any...mucho strong!

You can also, for simplicity's sake, just use the necessary spacers like Mr. Moore did. Works fine. Also like Patrick points out, 5,6,&7 speed freewheels are still relatively easy to come by; try Ebay, or Loose Screws Bicycle Parts.

Regards,
Marc
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Subject: [RBW] Doesn't anyone make a 5 speed cassette anymore?

I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.
I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.
I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever dropouts the Bleriot has?
Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.

As a matter of fact, I think this is exactly where RBW should start moving with their bikes - 5-speed cassettes. I think it fits right in with their velosophy.
Who needs 8,9,or 10 cogs in the back when you friction shift and are an unracer? Maybe I am missing something. But I feel like I only need 5 choices in the back.

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[Joe Bernard]

For the record, there were never any 5-speed cassettes.

 

Joe Bernard

Vallejo CA.

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-08-08 at 20:03 -0700, lungimsam wrote:
> I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone
> makes a good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or
> whatever dropouts the Bleriot has? Just thinking ahead to my next
> drivetrain.

There never was a 5. There may have been 6's, but just try to find one
today. 7, on the other hand, is available, and as far as I can tell, in
every one of the original tooth combinations (although, sadly, not any
longer in all the fancy chrome plated versions).

And at least three of those 7 speed combinations should be of special
interest to Riv owners:

- 13-30 In either 700C or 650B, this makes one of the nicest gearing
sets for road use with a "compact triple" of 24 or 26/36/46 or 48

- 13-34 A superb heavy loaded touring combination

- 14-32 You would be shocked how nice this is with a 650B wheel and a
39/53 crank. The significance: there are so many 39/53 cranks available
on ebay they're dirt cheap. I got one with bottom bracket that I used
on my commuter for years, now on my shopping bike, for around $30. Low
of around 32, high around 100, nicely spaced throughout the range.

With 7 and a spacer, you can use all the sprockets while on the big ring
without excessive angularity or cross-chaining. Live on the 53, use the
39 like a granny!

[Matthew J]

> Five??  Three cogs is plenty, and 640k of RAM ought to be enough as well.

 

Not at all an apt comparison.  High data web content and software capability grow faster than computer speed.  On the other hand, riding terrain remains fairly the same.  The hills and dales our parents cycled with three speeds are still the same height and pitch for us.

 

I've toured Wisconsin, Minnesota, Iowa and Illinois happily (and easily) with a single 44 up front and 5 seed 14 - 34 Suntour freewheel.  10 and 11 speed cassettes may make a difference for racers.  For the rest of us they are bling.  If you like bling, that's cool.  I like things simple.

 

In fact, looking seriously at doing pretty much the same tour* with a single speed White freewheel, White eno hub wheel. 

 

*High speed rail is one modern convenience I wish we did have here in the U.S.  When the most you can get off work is a week, pokey Amtrak limits the tour launch options considerably.

[ted]

Back when bikes had freewheels, and freewheels had 5 cogs on em I
bought a bike with a 14-18 "straight block" and 44 52 chainrings.
I was skeptical about the gears, but the guy said something along the
lines of "sometimes its nice to be able to hit just exactly the gear
you want", and I decided to give it a try. I really enjoyed that bike
(it was fairly flat there). I still like small steps between gears.
With eight or nine or even 10 cogs I get closer to the fine steps that
old straight block provided while still getting the range I want (its
less flat here).

[PATRICK MOORE]

IIRC, Uniglide cogs will slip right on to HG bodies, so all you'd need
to do would be to shim as needed and adjust the rd travel stops.

Patrick "do less with more" Moore!


On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Nick Worthington
<mrnouv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> They made 5 speed cassettes for Uniglide hubs [I have one] but you'd have to
> do a lot of futzing to make it work on a Hyperglide one.
>
> Nick W.

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[dougP]

The answer to your question is "no".  I believe cassettes started at 6 speed somewhere in the early 80s.  7 speed cassettes are still readily available in a decent variety of combinations.  A favorite of mine is 13-28 and 13-34 is not hard to find either. 

 

While I agree with your general thought (GP says "you have too many gears"), it is nice to have at least one cog at each end that is seldom used but quite welcome when needed.  There's nothing like having a big ol' honkin' 30+ tooth cog for that unexpected hill on a hot day at the end of a ride when you got lost.  Since most of us toodle around on the same 4 or 5 cogs for 90% of our riding, something like a 7 or 8 gives sensible gearing, is reasonably priced and lets us use $20 chains. 

 

Since you're already set-up with an 8-9-10 freehub, a 7 speed with spacer or an 8 speed is a simple change and easily eliminates the 1 tooth cog differences. 

 

dougP

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:03:02 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

I have a 10 speed cassette. I use my shifter in friction mode for the silence, smoothness, and jumpin' cogability.

I often shift like 2,3,4 cogs at a time. I kinda ride the areas of the cassette, instead of shifting thru each cog to get where I need it.

I don't need all those small changes and I was wondering if anyone makes a good ol' 5-speed cassette, and is it possible to fit on 135 or whatever dropouts the Bleriot has?

Just thinking ahead to my next drivetrain.