Saddle bags hit backs of legs?

[Michael]

Specifically, I am looking at something like the the Sackville SaddleSack XSmall, Olive - 20130
$65.00

 

Or, the brand V on the rivsite.

 

Somehow, my eyes have missed these. Maybe my eyes were dazzled by all the tweed or something.

 

Was wondering if the backs of your legs hit these bags when on a Brooks B17, or anything else. Or is there usually enough clearance.

Or, is the leg hitting the bag par for the course with saddle bags.

 

Thanks for the info.

[Andy Smitty Schmidt]

Not sure about the XS but the small and medium most definitely touch the back of my legs. In my experience it's a non-issue. I notice it every once in a while but it's never an issue. 

--Andy

[PATRICK MOORE]

Par for the course, but it's not big deal, even with the larger Nelson/Camper types that, I think, contact your thighs more because they "tuck in" more.

My saddles are Flites; it has been too long since I used a Brooks of any sort to remember if the Brooks design causes saddlebags to have more or less contact back there. From the photo on the Riv site, I'd guess that one mounted on a Brooks, with more upright rails, and rails that you can't shove as far back, would make less contact.

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[Brian Hanson]

I have an XS, and a Small.  I don't notice on either, but they tend to form away from your legs after a couple of contacts.  In no way do I find it bothersome.  I also have an Acorn Lg saddlebag that has a leather spacer that keeps the bag back away from the post (and contact).  I don't find it any more "comfortable", so I'm not sure it's a useful feature to me...

Brian

Seattle, WA

[Ron Mc]

yes, and your heels will hit your panniers.  
... 

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 06:42 -0700, Ron Mc wrote:
> yes, and your heels will hit your panniers.

Heels hitting panniers is by no means a given. Depends a lot on the
specific case: panniers, frame, rack all contribute, not to mention
feet. My heels didn't hit my panniers on any of my touring bikes (and
now, of course, since I switched to carrying panniers on the front, it's
simply impossible).

> ...
> Was wondering if the backs of your legs hit these bags when on
> a Brooks B17, or anything else. Or is there usually enough
> clearance.
> Or, is the leg hitting the bag par for the course with saddle
> bags.

Your legs won't contact a Carradice bag when you use a Bagman support.

[Peter Morgano]

My huge butt hits my Carradice Pendle bag but i think it sits up high because of my sprung saddle setup.

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[Jim Cloud]

My experience is the same as yours, Steve. I've toured with some
quite large panniers on the rear (the old Eclipse Professional
panniers) and never had any problems with my heels clipping the bags.
Many rear panniers are tapered to prevent contact with heels.

Jim

[doc]

Midlands rack = $8.00

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[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2012-10-31 at 07:54 -0700, Jim Cloud wrote:
> My experience is the same as yours, Steve. I've toured with some
> quite large panniers on the rear (the old Eclipse Professional
> panniers) and never had any problems with my heels clipping the bags.
> Many rear panniers are tapered to prevent contact with heels.

I'm sure the size of the frame matters as well; mine are fairly large.
Also, a purpose-built touring bike like the Bruce Gordon Rock 'n Road
Tour (which was my touring bike for 10 years) is designed to have
clearance to avoid pannier heel-strikes. Some sport-touring frames were
closer to "sport" than to "touring" and had less clearance in back,
probably exacerbated on small size frames.

[Lynne Fitz]

Bagman.

[PATRICK MOORE]

I just rode 10 miles home with my Sackville med stuffed; I was surprised at how little contact it made compared to a Nelson or Camper.

I was disappointed in the several Bagmans -- Bagmen? -- that I used. They look nice but seemed too flimsy for much weight. Note that I've not used the newer model which, from the photo, is ugly and is complicated by struts running to the seat stays. If you are going to have struts, I say, make them rack struts.

I preferred the SQR, of which I also used several, but it also is limited to 22 lb and, for me anyway, holds the bag too high and back. Its clamp screw will dig into your seatpost unless you put something between it and the post. 

IMO, the Nitto Grip is best, if you have a Brooks saddle and for some reason don't want to use your Brooks's loops; add a minimal rack or sturdy fender if you lack clearance. IMO, the ideal, not-of-this-world setup would be a Flite with sturdy loops holding a large bag supported underneath by a custom platform integral with the fender. Just dreamin'. But with my 559 wheeled Riv, the Sackville M works fine sans bottom support.

FWIW, I was disappointed in the admittedly inexpensive seatpost clamped Velo Orange support -- flexed under a Nelson LF.

Lastly, a question: the Sackville Med has an interior flap attached at the bottom of the bag's mouth. Is this meant to cover the coroplast stiffener, or is it meant to flip over the load for additional security and protection before you close the lid? I use it both ways and both make sense, at least to my little mind. What's up wizzat?

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Lynne Fitz <fitz...@comcast.net> wrote:

Bagman.

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[Allingham II, Thomas J]

Patrick:

 

It’s designed to flip/flap over and thus cover whatever you load into the bag.  If you use it that way, in most cases you never need to snap the big covering flap shut – combo of the interior flap and the weight of the exterior flap is more than enough.  Which makes access a little easier and quicker.

 

Tom

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks -- I suspected that was it, but then the design is so careful with details that I thought perhaps this was to cosmetically improve the interior looks. The flip-over explanation makes more sense, though.

[Joe Bernard]

The Sackville XS and Brand V Keven's bags (I have the former) are basic not-very-large seatbags..not near big enough to hit with your legs.

 

Joe Bernard

Vallejo, CA

On Thursday, November 1, 2012 1:47:30 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

Thanks -- I suspected that was it, but then the design is so careful with details that I thought perhaps this was to cosmetically improve the interior looks. The flip-over explanation makes more sense, though.

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Allingham II, Thomas J <Thomas.A...@skadden.com> wrote:

Patrick:

 

It’s designed to flip/flap over and thus cover whatever you load into the bag.  If you use it that way, in most cases you never need to snap the big covering flap shut – combo of the interior flap and the weight of the exterior flap is more than enough.  Which makes access a little easier and quicker.

 

Tom

 

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I just rode 10 miles home with my Sackville med stuffed; I was surprised at how little contact it made compared to a Nelson or Camper.

 

I was disappointed in the several Bagmans -- Bagmen? -- that I used. They look nice but seemed too flimsy for much weight. Note that I've not used the newer model which, from the photo, is ugly and is complicated by struts running to the seat stays. If you are going to have struts, I say, make them rack struts.

 

I preferred the SQR, of which I also used several, but it also is limited to 22 lb and, for me anyway, holds the bag too high and back. Its clamp screw will dig into your seatpost unless you put something between it and the post. 

 

IMO, the Nitto Grip is best, if you have a Brooks saddle and for some reason don't want to use your Brooks's loops; add a minimal rack or sturdy fender if you lack clearance. IMO, the ideal, not-of-this-world setup would be a Flite with sturdy loops holding a large bag supported underneath by a custom platform integral with the fender. Just dreamin'. But with my 559 wheeled Riv, the Sackville M works fine sans bottom support.

 

FWIW, I was disappointed in the admittedly inexpensive seatpost clamped Velo Orange support -- flexed under a Nelson LF.

 

Lastly, a question: the Sackville Med has an interior flap attached at the bottom of the bag's mouth. Is this meant to cover the coroplast stiffener, or is it meant to flip over the load for additional security and protection before you close the lid? I use it both ways and both make sense, at least to my little mind. What's up wizzat?

On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 12:10 PM, Lynne Fitz <fitz...@comcast.net> wrote:

Bagman.

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