Re: WTT: Blue 52cm Rambouillet, 26" wheel for 58-60cm ???

[Michael]

What is the standover height, if you don;t mind me asking?

[Steven Frederick]

FWIW, early Herons (made by Waterford of Reynolds 531) are as much Rivendells as the Rambouillet.

Good luck with your search!

Steve

On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 4:46 AM, Christopher Kopp <koppchr...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello RBW Owners!

I bought a beautiful blue 52cm Rambouillet with 26" wheels for my lady, who was less excited than I was about it. Its been gathering dust and Ive been trying to sell it locally, but today I stole its crosstop levers for another project and realized this needs to get out before I start cannibalizing anything else.
I would really like to trade this for another Rivendell in my size, my PBH is 85.7 so I guess that puts me around a 58-60 Rivendell, I normally ride a 56.
I am not looking for a double top tube or mixte. Rivendell only please, no Bridgestone, Heron etc.
The Rambouillet is 52cm, and uses 26" (559) wheels. Parts rundown on request, mix of 105/Ultegra/Nitto/Sugino. It can be made ready to ride or go out as-is. "As-is" things being: brakes not hooked up (I stole the crosstop levers...), cables are frayed, "natural" cork bar tape wasn't shellacked so looks a little meh (but theres twine!), tires are functional but very worn (Paselas).  Frame is an 8.5 out of 10, just a couple small beausage scratches and chips, no chain suck damage or dents.
I'd prefer to trade straight across, but cash (yours or mine) plus trades would be considered for the right deal. Straight up cash considered, but I'm holding out for a little while unless you make me an offer I cant refuse. Bonus point all around if you are in the Seattle/Tacoma area.
Yours can be a frameset or a complete, or somewhere in between. No damage like crashes, bends and dents, but I'm OK with less than perfect paint. I would especially like an olive Saluki...

Cheers,
Chris

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[Leslie]

On Friday, January 18, 2013 1:26:52 PM UTC-5, stevef wrote:

FWIW, early Herons (made by Waterford of Reynolds 531) are as much Rivendells as the Rambouillet.

Is that really true?

I mean, I understand your point, that originally, the Atlantis and the Rambouillet were their 'own' 'brand' of a bike, was what Grant said his intent was.  At one point, he even said he used to cringe a little when people referred to them as 'a Rivendell'...  but I think that perspective mellowed a bit, that G said he's okay w/ that now.

Thing about the Heron: yeah, it was designed by Grant, but, for another company... I can see equating the Soma San Marcos with a Heron.  For that matter, I suppose it'd be accurate to say the same about the Bleriot. 

But the Atlantis, AHH, and Roadeo, the Foy and Hillborne, Bomba and the Hunq... those weren't 'for' another company... and while they're not 'customs', they are the 'models' at Rivendell....  

Maybe I'm off....    but that's my take on it anyway....

[Steven Frederick]

The Herons were Rivendell's first stock models.  They were "blue collar," frames "90-some percent" of the original Rivs (road standard, longlow, all'rounder) but without custom options and therefore available at a lower price. 

They weren't designed for another company--they were designed by Grant, built by Waterford and sold by Rivendell and Rivendell dealers like Harris cyclery..  After a couple of frame runs, Waterford wanted to raise the price of them to the point where Grant didn't think they were a value-priced alternative to the original Riv lineup so he discontinued them. (and replaced them with the Toyo built Rambouillet and Atlantis) They would've just disappeared, but Todd Kumza(sp?) struck a deal to use the name and design, and carried on with the Herons as their own brand name.

As best as I can recall.  But I'm sure of 99% of that.

Steve

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[Jim Mather]

Here's the Riv Reader page introducing the Heron (RR #11):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/20986098@N04/8392733385/in/photostream

[Michael]

That is such a pretty Rambouillet.

If I was a 52, I'd try to just buy it from the OP.

[Dan McNamara]

Via the internet wayback machine from the Heron site:

-What is the history of Heron Bicycles?

Heron Bicycles was started in 1997 as a joint venture between Waterford Precision Cycles, Rivendell Bicycle Works, and Rona Components. Waterford manufactured the frames in its Wisconsin factory while Rivendell sold them through its mail order operation.

Eventually Ted Durant, owner of Rona Components, bought out the other joint venture partners and became sole owner. Waterford continued to manufacture the frames for Ted on a contract basis while Rivendell became an official Heron dealer along with several bike shops.

In early 2001, Ted decided to halt production of the Heron frames to focus on other matters. Todd Kuzma, owner of Tullio’s Big Dog Cyclery – a Heron dealer, began discussions with Ted to purchase the company and resume production.

Heron Bicycles was sold to Todd Kuzma in January 2002, and production at the Waterford plant began soon thereafter.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM, Steven Frederick <stl...@gmail.com> wrote:

[PATRICK MOORE]

The first Rivendell models circa 1994 were the Road and the All Rounder.

On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 3:59 PM, Steven Frederick <stl...@gmail.com> wrote:

The Herons were Rivendell's first stock models. 

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[Steven Frederick]

Thanks, I guess my selective memory skipped right over the Rona Components angle.  How was he involved?  As an investor, designer, interested by-stander? 

At least I got the intent of the frame right--budget option to Riv's other options.  Sorry folks if my faulty memory or interpretation muddied the waters...

Steve

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[Michael]

Thanks Christopher for the SO height.

My pbh is 82cm, so I'm a little too big for it. Sigh...

I saw the medium-ish height looking head tube and thought maybe it was, by chance, actually a bigger frame than a 52.

I need a 54(a little small) or 56(perfect size) in a Rambouillet according to the sizing charts in the Rambouillet flyer.

Pretty bike. Drool, drool...