Re: [RBW] Do you friction or indexed?

[PATRICK MOORE]

Technically there will be no problem, but your conscience will bother
you and you will develop hemorrhoids.

Patrick "gave up indexing in 1994 without any scruple" Moore

On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 9:15 AM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there anything wrong with not even bothering to get the indexed
> adjusted properly if I am just gonna stick to friction?
>

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[Kelly]

I'm guilty.  On tour the index was slightly out of adjustment and I turned to friction.  Still there.. just doesn't seem like the effort to adjust and fix it is worth it.  

Not to mention I too enjoyed the quiet smooth feeling of friction.

Kelly

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 10:15:12 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote:

I have been using the indexed. But lately it hasn't been shifting too good.

So I have started using the frictionoption on my bar end lever.

It is smoot and quiet. I think I like it better.

[Jim Cloud]

I'm down to a measly two bikes at this point, which obviously makes me
an outlier in the bike forum communities. One of them is an indexed
shifting bike, the other is friction. I use both, and seem to have no
problems (at this point, anyway) with hemorrhoids...

Jim Cloud
Tucson, AZ

On Aug 10, 12:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Technically there will be no problem, but your conscience will bother
> you and you will develop hemorrhoids.
>
> Patrick "gave up indexing in 1994 without any scruple" Moore
>

[Lyle Bogart]

Like Jim, I am also at two bikes. One is friction shifting and the other is a fixed gear. My transition back into friction years ago involved the same scenario of indexing gone awry. I now much prefer friction though even that is not as quiet and smooth as fixed :)

Cheers!

lyle

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[Jim Mather]

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 12:13 PM, PATRICK MOORE <bert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Technically there will be no problem, but your conscience will bother
> you and you will develop hemorrhoids.
>

I thought that was the answer to the Brooks maintenance question.

jim m
wc ca

[velomann]

That thing that just happened to you? The Buddha calls it Enlightenment.

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:15:12 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

I have been using the indexed. But lately it hasn't been shifting too good.

So I have started using the frictionoption on my bar end lever.

It is smoot and quiet. I think I like it better.

[Matthew J]

Two bikes.  One friction all the time, the other friction when it is not single speed.  I know how to get the gear I want when I want.  No need for anything more.

[Mike]

On Aug 10, 12:13 pm, PATRICK MOORE <bertin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Technically there will be no problem, but your conscience will bother
> you and you will develop hemorrhoids.

BQ should do a test or survey about this.

I have 4 bikes, 3 with friction and 1 with BE indexed shifters. Silver
BE shifters are my favorite. My conscience is clear and I have not
developed hemoroids, yet...

--mike

[Michael Hechmer]

Apparently I have no conscience.  Friction shifting might cause hemorrhoids, but doesn't that belong on the Brooks thread?

Michael

[Ray Shine]

I'm strictly a friction guy. I tired of the minor mal-adjustment thingy so problematic with indexing. It's nice to have the ability to trim the shifting by fractional movements of the shifter. Plus, I'm never in a hurry…

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Subject: [RBW] Do you friction or indexed?

I have been using the indexed. But lately it hasn't been shifting too good.

So I have started using the frictionoption on my bar end lever.

It is smoot and quiet. I think I like it better.

Is there anything wrong with not even bothering to get the indexed adjusted properly if I am just gonna stick to friction?

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[Pondero]

Friction, because its fun, and it doesn't really need to be more complicated than that.

[Bruce Herbitter]

Friction, because in addition to the smooth and quiet fun mentioned already, you can mix and match components widely. 6 through 9 speed gear clusters, Campy & Shimano parts together, etc.

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 9:36 PM, Pondero <cj.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

Friction, because its fun, and it doesn't really need to be more complicated than that.

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[Michael Hechmer]

Friction, for just the opposite reason.... it's faster across Vt's rolling hills where it's often necessary to move across a wide range of gears quickly.

Michael

[clyde canter]

Yea.  I have index systems. I repeatedly futz with them until I get them as close to perfect as I can, then I flip them over to friction.  Occasionally I switch them back to index, just  to see if they still shift okay.  I have no valid reason for doing this other than the fact that sometimes when it's windy or there's a lot of traffic noise the index mode is slightly better.  Or perhaps I just like to futz with stuff.  That cute little ring is on there for a reason you know.  If I ever set up another geary bike it will not have the evil ,vile "clicks" option, just pure friction.

Clyde "too, or two many options" Canter

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[NickBull]

I tried friction but went back to SIS downtube shifters.  (I used to ride all-friction, of course, for many years before indexing was invented).  But with 7 or more cogs using modern chains, it's almost impossible to feel that it is just slightly out of alignment, the newer chains are too flexible and you have to hear the little bit of clink-clinking.  And for winter riding when you have on a headband plus a balaclava, you just can't hear the clinking.  So I would find that all was fine until I stood up on a hill, and then it would clunk to the next gear.  Not fun.  To really be able to _feel_ when things are just a hair out of alignment, you need old 5-speed freewheels and an old chain designed to run with those freewheels. 

FWIW, with downtube (or barend) shifters, you can shift through a bunch of cogs all at once, whether indexed or friction.

Nick

[SteveD]

Friction. My wife has indexed. I used to have indexed on my last bike, a Specialized Sirius, that I bought in '91 and gave away in '05 because, since I bought my Atlantis in '03, I was never using it. When I got the Specialized, I thought indexing was pretty nice, and I guess it still is. But when I built up my Atlantis, I went with indexing, and enjoy it a lot. Friction shifting reminds of shifting a manual transmission; it just adds to the overall feel of riding a bicycle like driving a sports car.

-Steve
Seattle

On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 8:15:12 AM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

I have been using the indexed. But lately it hasn't been shifting too good.

So I have started using the frictionoption on my bar end lever.

It is smoot and quiet. I think I like it better.

[Marc Schwartz]

Index, because it is easier while intoxicated. ...........JUST FOOLIN'!

Marc

"He swore at the Devil,
Then he went for a ride."

-Radney Foster-
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[PATRICK MOORE]

Not so much contradicting as expressing another experience, but I
found friction shifting 10 cogs with dt friction shifters (albeit
Retrofrictions, the best of the best) was absolutely delightful;
easier in fact by quite a bit than shifting the 5 and 6 speed
freewheels on the trike using the same shifter; but a long cage,
pre-indexed Shimano 600 rd instead of a 8-sp era Dura Ace as with the
10, so that may have made the difference; or the difference may have
been that the HG ramps just made shifting easier. Dunno.

My current Fargo shifts 7 cogs spaced like 9 sp cogs with Silver bar
end shifters; and it too is fine despite the non-sequential cogs
(since the cassettes are home made).

No problems when wearing hats or balaclavas, either.

Horses for courses.

That said, the absolutely most foolproof and thought-free shifting I
ever used was a 7 speed, Sante group indexed Uniglide cassette with dt
indexing. Click, click, click and it went perfectly every time.

[Bruce Herbitter]

What? You don't ride a fixie in the Green Mtns?  :)

[Garth]

Friction for me too ... as classic Sun Tour Thumbshifters are the best damm things .... ever !!!!!!!!!!