Re: [RBW] fender clearance tektro r559 vs paul racer

[René Sterental]

I put Paul's Racer brakes on my Hilsen for that exact reason. I have no issues with the fender clearance on that bike, although mine is 700c. 

On my 650b Betty, I'm struggling with that same issue, and will be testing leaving the Silver brakes and going with 38mm Lierres vs the 42mm Hetres where the front tire rubs the bolt inside the fender and the clearance is soooo tight I'm concerned it would be very easy for a rock to get lodged between the tire and the fender. The other option will be to check how much additional clearance a front Racer brake will give me. 

On your Hilsen I'd definitely recommend switching to front and rear Racer brakes. Great modulation and looks as well. 

René "only metal fenders for me"

On Saturday, January 5, 2013, Mike B wrote:

     Hi y'all

 With the tektro brakes you need to leave a bit of space between the fender and the caliper arm for when the quick release is opened and the arm swings down.  I was curious if this is similar on the paul racer centerpull or can you get the fender up a little higher?  Even a few millimeters? I've been toying with the idea of getting some Hetres for the 650b Hilsen ( i have parimotos at the moment ) and want to maximize fender clearance.   Also I like the SKS fenders ( i have the longboards )... does anyone use P-50s or P-55s with their Hetres to minimize the chance of them rubbing width wise?  Are they better with Hetres than the P-45s?

Thanks!

Mike

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[Jay B]

Hi Mike,

I put the Paul Racers on my Bleriot to maximize tire/fender clearance.  With the Hetres I have gobs of room for fenders.  I was even able to install some fenders with the Schwalbe Fatties (45mm actual), but I wouldn't really recommend it. For the last 3 years I had SKS P50 (or P55?) fenders on there (w/ the Hetres).  No problems.  I recently installed SKS longboards.  I really prefer the length/coverage of the longboards, but they are borderline too narrow for the Hetres, IMO.  I get a fair amount of rubbing, but I'm going to ride and tweak them for a few months before making a final call.  Here's a pic showing clearance with the Schwalbe fatties.  Great brakes!

-Jay

[Michael]

I have P45 with 40mm Rumpkins under them and no rubbing with front fender at max height. Paul Racer brakes.
I am getting Hetres soon. Only 2mm diff. Hope they fit.
You could grind hole on p45 fender mounting bracket for to move fender higher a few mm. I am thinking of this if Hetres too tight.
Racers have lotsa space. I can measure if you want. My Racer arms snap open wide upon releasing the ball of the straddle cable. So they won't touch the fender.
I have to deflate 40mm Rumpkins tire to get tire thru brake pads though.

[William]

My experience with my 650B Hilsen and Silver sidepulls. 

- Hetres with no fenders is spectacular.  It looks awesome.
- Soma New Express with P45 fenders is great
- Hetres with P45 is super snug but I used it with no rubbing.  The two tightest spots are the two you have identified.  1.  headroom under the fork crown  2.  headroom under the rear brake bridge
- On a whim wanting to make my Hilsen more stylish I switched to Honjos.  The choices I made on how to attach them made the two tight spots even tighter.  So, as I have them set up now, I cannot run Hetres.  I have Pari Motos and a stock of Lierres for the Hilsen now. 
- As a winter project I'm going to return to SKS fenders on the Hilsen.  I am content that Lierres + fenders will be a splendid set up for the Hilsen for the long haul.  Jan Heine himself assures us all that the Lierre is just as good as the Hetre (at least really close).  If you have to have the red-tread, the Soma B-Line comes in red and is a great tire, in my opinion. 

In short, my 650B A Homer Hilsen is the finest bike I've ever owned, but I'm now convinced that the clearances it was designed to provide are spot on PERFECT for 38s with fenders.  42s with fenders is a tight squeeze.  I have 2 other bikes that I can run Hetres on.  If I was dead-set on running Hetres on my Hilsen, I'd either resign myself to it being really tight, or I'd think about getting it converted to a canti-Homer and get a repaint. 

[Michael Hechmer]

I use racers on my tandem, with very wide SKS fenders and Marathon racer tires (26x1.6); and racer m's on my Ram with Honjo' 45s.  In both cases the brakes clear the fenders with plenty to spare.  Racers and Racer M's both use the longer canti style pads which hit my front fork when fully open; so the limiting factor becomes how big a tire I can get off and on, and the fender size is irrelevant.  I use neo retros on my touring bike. Paul's brakes -  look good; work great; easy to set up and adjust; last a life time. What's not to like?   

Michael 

[Peter Morgano]

I know they are brakes-a non-gratta but the Dia Compe mod 750 have just as much room as the Pauls at a fraction of the cost. If you arent concerned with being all "matchy matchy" I would get pauls up front and Dia compe in back to save a hundred bucks.  I used just the Mod 750 brakes with VO Zeppelin fenders and Hetres on my 650b Hilsen, took a while to sort it all out, sheldon's fender nuts helped, but it is a nice look when you get it all set up right.

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