It doesn't look bad without fenders, no?

[PATRICK MOORE]

After today's PO ride. Am waiting for custom small,
no-decaleur-required bag for front rack.

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[Lyle Bogart]

that's a really pretty bike, Patrick.

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[islaysteve]

Looks great.  (I am fender-averse).  Cheers, Steve

[EricP]

Looking good. And this coming from a person who has fenders on all my
bikes.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for the votes of confidence. I feel very reassured.

Of course, it's a Riv, so it must look good.

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[Joe Bernard]

I'll be honest, a fully loaded bike without fenders looks a little odd to me, but I'm not a big fan of fenders that prevent things that happen on rides I don't take (I already have a vehicle with fenders for cold, rainy days. It's called a Chevy HHR SS). Fenders mostly do things like screw up the "leaning the rear tire against the pole" thing, and making the bike too big to load in the back of said SS because the front fender takes up too much space even with the wheel off. But I like racks and bags, so I'm going to keep staring at your bike until I "adapt", then I'm going to get over the fact that my racked-and-bagged fenderless XO-3 "looks funny". You're doing God's work, man.

 

Joe "Yeah, my Amsterdam has fenders. Sue me" Bernard

Fairfield, CA.

 

 

 

[Johnny Alien]

I'm actually starting to like fenderless bikes.  I took the fenders off my Bleriot recently and really like the way it looks.  Your bike looks fantastic.

[Earl Grey]

I am glad so many people like your bike as is, Patrick, so I don't
have to feel so bad saying this: :)

I like it too, but since you have the front rack on P-clamps, why not
move them lower and bend the rack stays a bit so you can get the rack
level? I don't mind the look of bikes without fenders (see my Sam:
http://tinyurl.com/3epfv47; though it has been sporting fenders for
the last 16 months or so) but a largish frame with skinny 26" tires
would to my mind look better with fenders, just because it makes the
wheels look more in proportion with the frame. Of course I am not
advocating putting on fenders just for aesthetic reasons. If it don't
rain where you ride, and no one waters the road, neither, why bother?

Gernot

[Minh]

Man, after spending the last few hours wrestling with fender line
(still not done) after putting on a new campee front rack, i'm giving
second thoughts to the fender thing :)

[Steve Palincsar]

It can be difficult, especially if the bike wasn't built with proper
distances for the mounting points. The Atlantis is notoriously
difficult, requiring the full length of a wine cork as a spacer at the
chainstay bridge. What bike are you installing fenders on, and what
kind of fenders are you mounting?

[PATRICK MOORE]

The struts are welded to the top, and they are tubular stainless
steel: how can I bend them without either breaking them off or
crimping them?

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[charlie]

Nice looking Patrick........even without the fenders ! It rains in my
neck of the wood too much to leave them off and of course all that
nasty dry road junk stays off me and the bike too. But no fenders give
you more room for bigger tires and mud. ; )

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Thanks for all the reassurance. I dunno, the VO rack may be next to
go. I've got a nice custom front rack on the Herse, a Tubus front
lowrider rack on the Fargo, and I don't really need one on this Riv;
we'll see.

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[Ely Rodriguez]

I was thinking of using that rack on a road bike without braze ons.

Any issues with it? Using the p-clamps?

i would use a small/medium handlebar bag on 200k's with that set up.

My fork is 45mm rake with a 73 head tube angle, and 42 handlebars, 700x23 tires.

So road geometry.

The rack is on sale right now.

[PATRICK MOORE]

It should work fine. The problem with the angle of mine results from a
hack to remove the crown mounting tongue from between fender and crown
(for more tire clearance) and shortening and bending and drilling it
for the caliper mounting bolt. I got the tongue a bit too short.

As for fenders, once I did this I had no problem with rub on the
Kojaks; it was the rear that rubbed, and only on the sides.

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[Earl Grey]

It's called cold setting. :) Keep the bolt through the crown locked in
place, undo the P-clamps, and then massage the rack into the right
shape with your bare manly hands. If you are gentle, it should be
fine. They actually bend with surprisingly little force. I just did it
to my Nitto M-12 to fit on my new rSogn, which has ridiculous tire
clearance and thus more than the usual distance between canti-brake
brazeons and fork-crown hole.

Gernot

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[PATRICK MOORE]

Gernot: thanks for the tip. I'll give it a try -- nothing like blindly
bending expensive metal to give you that pit of stomach express
elevator drop feeling of thrlll! The legs won't have to bend far to
get the rack level.

In other news (y'all): I ordered some Civia flat aluminum fenders in
silver (they come in "many designer colors" but silver will complement
the racks and rims and bars, etc). These are 622X42, but I figure that
a fender without a curved cross section ought to bend nicely, without
lasting strains, and give me ample length. I daresay they won't
protect as well as the Berthouds, but I do want this bike to have some
sort of fenders.

Photos when all said and done.

Have been too busy to ride much, but I did do a couple of 16 milers
and the new Kojaks -- dare I say it? -- transform the bike. Perhaps
it's just the encouraging feeling you have with new stuff, but I would
swear that the bike is, at least, as fast as with the Turbos and, of
course, it is much smoother over bigger bumps. And even though the
gear is 72 instead of the 69 with the skinnies, climbing seems to be
just as easy.

If I have to guess, I would attribute the improvement to the flywheel
effect of the heavier tires: 400 versus 200 grams. The Riv now feels
more like the 700C fixies I ride, with their inevitably heavier wheels
-- and the weight extended further out on a "lever arm." The Kojaks
feel more like those.

Oh, and I cannot recommend highly enough the new old-style Maes
Parallels: long, flat ramp even with the ends of the hooks perfectly
level. An inch higher, about an inch longer in reach (115 versus 90),
and 15 mm shallower (125 versus 140). I get as aero but with higher
flats: the hooks and hoods are higher but further away. Wonderful.

Anyway, climbing 1 mile long Meadowlark between Corrales and Rio
Rancho, and standing for 2/3 of it, the bike felt just perfect.

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