Re: WTB: Rivendell road-style bike for 82 PBH. Rambouillet, Road, Homer, Roadeo, Bleriot, etc.

[Brian Campbell]

There is this on ebay.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/1996-Rivendell-Steel-Road-Bike-59-CM-Shimano-Classic-Mountain-Setup?item=400305229310&cmd=ViewItem&_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D123151093758667343#ht_3253wt_966

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:01:26 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

Frame sizes are all over the place for the different models, so I thought I'd just list my PBH.
If you have one you'd like to sell, please let me know.

I have wanted a Rivendell road-style drop bar bike for a while, but cannot afford new. So I am looking for used.

 

Again, something along the lines of Road, Rambouillet, Bleriot, Homer, Roadeo. Drop bars.

I am not concerned with toothcounts or anything like that. I can change things later if I need to.

 

I just commute and do recreational road riding.

Would love to have one and looks like used is the only way it will happen.

 

Please message me or email me at John1...@gmail.com

 

Thanks!

 

Michael

[Aaron Thomas]

That's a sweet looking Road Standard. But a 59cm is way too big for an 82 cm PBH. For 82, you're talking about a frame in the 53-55 cm range.

[Brian Campbell]

Mis-read. Sorry! Still a sweet bike. It is my size, that is why I keep thinking about it!

[Bruce Herbitter]

Perhaps this 54 might work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200779652699&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

[Aaron Thomas]

That's a really nice frame too. I wonder about the accuracy of the seller's description. A 57 cm top tube on a 54 frame doesn't compute to me. But I could be wrong.

I have a PBH similar to the original poster's and a 57 top tube would be way too long for me.

[Bill M.]

My '95 Road Standard is a 56 measured center to top (about 54 center to center), and has a 57 top tube.  This frame is maybe 2 cm smaller, the head lugs nearly touch and there's no room for a pump peg, so I'd say 54 center to top.   My head tube is 14 cm, but the one in the listing lacks the extension above the upper head lug, so an 11 cm head tube adds up.   It has enough headset spacers to make up for the missing extension.  If the top tube is really 57, it may have been a custom geometry.  Or it got changed when the frame was rebuilt.

I think it's unlikely that the replacement front end has the original 753 tubing.  Riv's 753 tubes were drawn to Grant's specifications with thicker walls and longer butts than a standard 753 set, and by 2003 even standard 753 was obsolete.  It could have 853 tubes, or True Temper.  Fork blades, probably whatever Waterford was using at the time, probably not 531.  At least it still has the pretty lugs and head badge.

Picky detail - note that in picture 21, the Simplex binder bolt is not installed correctly.  The flats should be vertical, so the nut sits fully inside the lug.  

Bill

[Bruce Herbitter]

And while not mentioned in the repairs, the BB shell appears incorrect. Still and all, it might build up nicely. 

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[michael leven]

Brian,

 

Thanks for the tip.

 

Michael

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[Addison Wilhite]

Fyi, I sent an email to the owner because to my eye that TT measurement didn't match the 57 cm listed.  He quickly responded that it was actually 55 c-c and apologized.  Still a 54 c-c seatube.

Slightly big for me but a decent deal for someone else depending on how high the price goes.

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[Lawnsbyt]

I'm also an 82 cm PBH and I ride a 56 Ram, the fit is spot on. I paid
1200 through Craigslist for the full bike 3 years ago, it had a
couple of good sized nicks and needed tires, it had about 3000 miles
on it when I bought it. The grease was pretty shot and i ended up
paying my lbs for an overhaul too, so the entry price has stacked up
some. Regarding the Romulus, it might be a tad high in this economy
but expect to pay more through an LBS than a private seller would ask
for.


On Jun 23, 6:27 pm, lungimsam <john11.2...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> First I would like to say thank you to everyone for the great tips and
> offers. I am sorting thru everything now. In the meantime:
>
> There is a "new" condition Romulus going for $1700 at an LBS near me.
> I am not crazy about the Romulus. I like those cream headtubes the other
> models have much better. But I can't be too picky.
> Is 1700 fair, or too much? It was 2200, but he came down to 1700.
> Is is a 105/Sugino triple, bar ends build. Tell me what'cha think.
> I think I would rather hold out for a Bleriot or Rambouillet, Saluki, Road,
> etc.
>
> Michael

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:01:26 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:
> > Frame sizes are all over the place for the different models, so I thought
> > I'd just list my PBH.
> > If you have one you'd like to sell, please let me know.
> > I have wanted a Rivendell road-style drop bar bike for a while, but cannot
> > afford new. So I am looking for used.
>
> > Again, something along the lines of Road, Rambouillet, Bleriot, Homer,
> > Roadeo. Drop bars.
> > I am not concerned with toothcounts or anything like that. I can change
> > things later if I need to.
>
> > I just commute and do recreational road riding.
> > Would love to have one and looks like used is the only way it will happen.
>

> > Please message me or email me at John11.2...@gmail.com
>
> > Thanks!
>
> > Michael

[Greg J]

I'm not sure that's correct.  The early Waterford Rivs (like the one I used to have) used an Everest bb shell.  Although I can't remember whether that's the exact model.  The "rivendell" branded shells came later.

As for the sizing, I had a 54 c-t, and this one looks about the same, or maybe a cm bigger.  The 54 had a 55 c-c top tube. 

Greg

On Sunday, June 24, 2012 2:06:27 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

And while not mentioned in the repairs, the BB shell appears incorrect. Still and all, it might build up nicely. 

Sent from my Kindle Fire

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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: WTB: Rivendell road-style bike for 82 PBH. Rambouillet, Road, Homer, Roadeo, Bleriot, etc.

My '95 Road Standard is a 56 measured center to top (about 54 center to center), and has a 57 top tube.  This frame is maybe 2 cm smaller, the head lugs nearly touch and there's no room for a pump peg, so I'd say 54 center to top.   My head tube is 14 cm, but the one in the listing lacks the extension above the upper head lug, so an 11 cm head tube adds up.   It has enough headset spacers to make up for the missing extension.  If the top tube is really 57, it may have been a custom geometry.  Or it got changed when the frame was rebuilt.

I think it's unlikely that the replacement front end has the original 753 tubing.  Riv's 753 tubes were drawn to Grant's specifications with thicker walls and longer butts than a standard 753 set, and by 2003 even standard 753 was obsolete.  It could have 853 tubes, or True Temper.  Fork blades, probably whatever Waterford was using at the time, probably not 531.  At least it still has the pretty lugs and head badge.

Picky detail - note that in picture 21, the Simplex binder bolt is not installed correctly.  The flats should be vertical, so the nut sits fully inside the lug.  

Bill

On Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:19:52 PM UTC-7, Aaron Thomas wrote:

That's a really nice frame too. I wonder about the accuracy of the seller's description. A 57 cm top tube on a 54 frame doesn't compute to me. But I could be wrong.

I have a PBH similar to the original poster's and a 57 top tube would be way too long for me.

On Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:07:37 PM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:

Perhaps this 54 might work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200779652699&ssPageName=ADME:X:AAQ:US:1123

On Sat, Jun 23, 2012 at 5:03 PM, Brian Campbell <bdcamp...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mis-read. Sorry! Still a sweet bike. It is my size, that is why I keep thinking about it!

On Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:02:03 PM UTC-4, Aaron Thomas wrote:

That's a sweet looking Road Standard. But a 59cm is way too big for an 82 cm PBH. For 82, you're talking about a frame in the 53-55 cm range.

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[Joe Bernard]

1700 is a tad high, IMO. I'd offer him 1500, but not in your case: That's a lot of money for a bike that doesn't have the features you're looking for.

 

Joe Bernard

Vallejo, CA.

On Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:27:53 PM UTC-7, lungimsam wrote:

Hello everyone,

 

First I would like to say thank you to everyone for the great tips and offers. I am sorting thru everything now. In the meantime:

 

There is a "new" condition Romulus going for $1700 at an LBS near me.

I am not crazy about the Romulus. I like those cream headtubes the other models have much better. But I can't be too picky.

Is 1700 fair, or too much? It was 2200, but he came down to 1700.

Is is a 105/Sugino triple, bar ends build. Tell me what'cha think.

I think I would rather hold out for a Bleriot or Rambouillet, Saluki, Road, etc.

 

Michael

On Thursday, June 21, 2012 1:01:26 AM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:

Frame sizes are all over the place for the different models, so I thought I'd just list my PBH.
If you have one you'd like to sell, please let me know.

I have wanted a Rivendell road-style drop bar bike for a while, but cannot afford new. So I am looking for used.

 

Again, something along the lines of Road, Rambouillet, Bleriot, Homer, Roadeo. Drop bars.

I am not concerned with toothcounts or anything like that. I can change things later if I need to.

 

I just commute and do recreational road riding.

Would love to have one and looks like used is the only way it will happen.

 

Please message me or email me at John1...@gmail.com

 

Thanks!

 

Michael

[Bruce Herbitter]

See, yet another reason why someone needs to do a compendium all all Rivendell trivia. There are little tidbits about so many RBW products that would make a useful reference for interested readers.

 The thing about the BB shell is it showed no Waterford serial # in the picture. According to Waterford, all bike made there followed the same serial number system no matter what, consisting of the year, month and sequential production # of the frame, and sometimes the the frame builder's initials. Mine is C95015EJ for example. (March 1995, 15th frame that month, built by E.J. - identity unknown to me)