Re: [RBW] What's a reasonable price for a used Sam Hillborne?
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Peter Morgano
Jul 17, 2012, 10:33:26 AM7/17/12
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Whole bike or frame only? If its whole bike that is a nice price if the components arent worn out. Remember a new SH frameset sold for around 1k, they have since gone up to 1,225.
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:54 AM, Ozonation <ekl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. Does this price sound reasonable? Too good to be true? Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot.
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RJM
Jul 17, 2012, 10:37:15 AM7/17/12
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Really depends on what components are on it, if it comes with racks/bags, what wheels are on it ect. I think all told, my Sam came in at like $2500, but I put phil Rivy wheels on it and some other fine items.
Thomas Lynn Skean
Jul 17, 2012, 11:33:55 AM7/17/12
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Well, in case you'd like to include original price in your valuation, bear in mind that the Hillborne's historical pricing is complicated. Early in 2011, framesets from Taiwan were $1,000, Waterford framesets were $1,400 (Waterford framesets may have been less expensive, say, $1,250, just as 2011 began). I suspect there's a serial-number/manufacturer relationship that RBW might be able to verify for you. My personal recollection is that canti-studded frames were all from Waterford and non-canti-studded frames were all from Taiwan. (I'd use the name of the manufacturer in Taiwan but I've never seen it.) I don't know that anyone has ever expressed the opinion that one's frames are somehow better than the other's.
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Thomas Lynn Skean
who chose Waterford to get canti-studs and two top tubes, which were available only from Waterford at one time
islaysteve
Jul 17, 2012, 12:10:06 PM7/17/12
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I assume you've read the information on the Rivendell site about fit, and in particular about the fit of the Sams. Different Riv models have different fit characteristics. Since you're going to see the bike you can check it out for yourself of course. As I recall, the Taiwan-make Sams were the middle sizes and the Waterford-made were the small and large frames. At the time I was wanting a Sam, I would have had to pay quit a premium (to me) to get a 48 (I'm short). Since Riv has the same price on the new blue Sams now regardless of size, I'm assuming they are made in Taiwan. Not that it should matter. Grant has said over and over again that the Taiwan-made frames are just as good (well-made) as the Waterford. I attest that the workmanship on my (Taiwan) Bleriot seems to be very good.
I agree with what others have said about price: seems in the ballpark, considering equipment. But another thing that I'd consider is availability in your size. There's not always going to be Riv frame on the used market to fit you, regardless of model. I bought my 51 Bleriot on eBay last year and since that time I've seen precious few Riv frames of any kind that would fit me. So I consider myself fortunate. If you're a middle size, situation will be a little better. Good luck with your looking. As you've probably seen here, most everyone loves their Sams.
Steve
I agree with what others have said about price: seems in the ballpark, considering equipment. But another thing that I'd consider is availability in your size. There's not always going to be Riv frame on the used market to fit you, regardless of model. I bought my 51 Bleriot on eBay last year and since that time I've seen precious few Riv frames of any kind that would fit me. So I consider myself fortunate. If you're a middle size, situation will be a little better. Good luck with your looking. As you've probably seen here, most everyone loves their Sams.
Steve
Peter Morgano
Jul 17, 2012, 12:23:32 PM7/17/12
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I also have to mention that while most used Riv's are well used there is no point getting one beat to hell when as mentioned earlier if you are an average size they pop up somewhat often.
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Thomas Lynn Skean
Jul 17, 2012, 3:39:53 PM7/17/12
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+1 on loving their Sams.
I loved the Hillborne from the very first time I sat atop one. It just felt right. I bought an orange 2010 DTT canti-studded Hillborne. Several thousand miles of riding did not change my opinion of it. So when time came to get a second bike, I got a green 2012 Hillborne just like it.
Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean
Eric Platt
Jul 18, 2012, 7:17:02 PM7/18/12
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With that set-up, I'd say it's a good, but not OMG how fantastic, price. That would probably be what I'd ask for my early Sam Hillborne with Nitto stem/bars, seatpost, V brakes, SON front hub, Phil freewheel rear hub, Nitto rear rack and mini front. Along with all the other parts I don't want to list now. And the bike has been ridden about 6000 miles since I got it and has corresponding wear.
So, if it's a really clean bike, and it's the right size, there would be nothing wrong with buying it.
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Ozonation <ekl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Here is the description of the bike: I thought I had posted it, but it doesn't seem to have appeared.
Nitto drop bar, Nitto seat post, black Brooks B-17, Riv bar-con shifters,Shimano aero brake levers, IRD canti brakes, Technomic stem, Synergy rims laced to Deore LX hubs, Schwalbe Marathon Extreme tires , Sugino triple crank, XT rear der and Campy Mirage front der.
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Ryan Ray
Jul 18, 2012, 7:21:40 PM7/18/12
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I'll take your old one :)
- Ryan
Peter Morgano
Jul 20, 2012, 11:34:42 AM7/20/12
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Not so used beautiful new blue one on the bay right now. Man that is a nice deal for spiffy paint and all.
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Ozonation <ekl...@gmail.com> wrote:
Hmmm... good suggestions for checking out the bike. Ah, I'm kind of torn. I can get a new one from a dealer spec'd exactly the way I want it - mustache bar, pedals, kevlar tires, dark green Brooks saddle, etc. but it would cost about $900 more than this used one. Sadly, I'm not sure about color - how vain! I prefer green overall, but the orange is very bold. One advantage of going to the dealer is the fitting: very helpful. I frankly don't know enough about modern bikes to know exactly what I should be looking for in a used bicycle. But it's $900 difference... ouch...
On Wednesday, July 18, 2012 8:34:08 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote:Take a look at the crankset teeth (from both sides) and the cassette cogs for wear. Drivetrains can be expensive to replace.Check that the derailer is not bent.Make sure seatpost and stem are movable in their respective tubes and not frozen. Though I doubt they would be on a year old bike.Ask if it has been crashed before, and get assurance that the frame is in alignment.
On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 2:54:57 AM UTC-4, Ozonation wrote:Hi... new here, but was advised over in Bike Forums to check this user group! I've been seriously considering a Rivendell, and have settled in a Sam Hillborne. I just came across a 2011 SH model going for about $1600 to $1700 - supposedly it has low mileage. Does this price sound reasonable? Too good to be true? Even better, the seller is not too far away. If I manage to check it out, any key things I should be looking for on a used Rivendell bike to see if its in good shape as claimed? Thanks a lot.
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Peter Morgano
Jul 21, 2012, 10:18:03 AM7/21/12
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Yup, they have for a while with the SH.
On Jul 21, 2012 10:16 AM, "Donald Lee" <m...@donaldlee.net> wrote:
Is the 56cm size correct - I didn't realize 56cm came with a double top tube.
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Philip Williamson
Jul 21, 2012, 12:27:29 PM7/21/12
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It's not hard to build up a bike with the fork attached. Derailleurs (if you're into such things) are the biggest hassle. Brakes, if they're cantis.
The issue will be making sure the pieces (stem to bars, bars to fork, seatpost to frame, rear axle spacing) all fit together. If you buy the build kit from Rivendell, you won't have that problem. If you're picking up pieces at random, then you will need to make sure you get a 27.2 seatpost, and a 1" threaded stem.
On Friday, July 20, 2012 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, Ozonation wrote:
Very very easy to swap handlebars on the other one. Wrapping the tape would be the hardest part, unless you needed longer cables for the m-bars.
You will be able to sell the bars, saddle and tires here easily, or possibly trade straight across for what you want.
"Do it..."
Philip
On Friday, July 20, 2012 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, Ozonation wrote:
Ah... that is sweet. I'm handy with tools - and I used to maintain my own cheap road bike when I was a kid - but it's been a long time, and I'm not particularly up on bicycle mechanics. How difficult would it be to assemble the bike by myself, or conversely, to alter the used Sam that I started this original thread on (e.g., new handle, etc.)?
On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:34:42 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
Not so used beautiful new blue one on the bay right now. Man that is a nice deal for spiffy paint and all.
James Warren
Jul 21, 2012, 2:37:24 PM7/21/12
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Side pull SH with mountain brake levers, thumb shifters, Ergon grips, and Bullmoose bar was by far the easiest build ever. That combo of controls takes away all the things that I consider time-consuming (canti brakes and their hangers, drop bar positioning, rubber grip slide-ons, bar wrapping around brake levers.) I don't dislike any of those labor-intensive jobs, just mentioning a real fast assembly combo.
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Joe Bernard
Jul 21, 2012, 5:39:52 PM7/21/12
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Search Rivendell Bicycle Works on YouTube..they have lots of how-to videos there. Good stuff at www.parktool.com, too.
On Friday, July 20, 2012 12:57:43 PM UTC-7, Ozonation wrote:
Ah... that is sweet. I'm handy with tools - and I used to maintain my own cheap road bike when I was a kid - but it's been a long time, and I'm not particularly up on bicycle mechanics. How difficult would it be to assemble the bike by myself, or conversely, to alter the used Sam that I started this original thread on (e.g., new handle, etc.)?
On Friday, July 20, 2012 11:34:42 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
Not so used beautiful new blue one on the bay right now. Man that is a nice deal for spiffy paint and all.
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