spelt pancakes

[PLDiane]

I just tried this recipe with almond yogurt. It had a delicious flavor
and made a light and fluffy pancake without becoming doughy or flat.
For my husband I followed the recipe exactly. For myself I added more
almond milk. I like a more crêpe like pancake. See what you think.

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=2781

~Diane

[smith...@mac.com]

For gluten free brown rice pancakes
http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=1842

These also have an excellent flavor; they are different than the yogurt pancakes.

~Diane

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[lori stephanie sase bechok]

diane.. where do you get almond yogurt?  do you make your own?  i've been on the hunt for yogurt that is okay for us.  i've looked at coconut yogurt.. but the protein and nutritious value (at least the ones in the stores) do not seem that good.

[smith...@mac.com]

I have other pancake recipes on my website PKDrecipes.com. These particular pancake recipes are low in calories, low in fat and in my husband's opinion, taste great and cook up light and fluffy. He is the pancake man; he has to have them every Saturday and Sunday. I prefer crêpes, a mixture of spelt flour and water, allow it to sit overnight then pour on a hot griddle the next morning.

Amande Almond Milk Yogurt

I bought almond yogurt at our local health food store cooperative called Kokua Market. Here is a review of this yogurt.

http://www.livingonthevedge.net/2011/02/victorias-yogurt-amande-almondmilk.html

Amande cultured almond milk contains:

almond milk

fruit juice concentrate

rice starch

locust bean gum

pectin

tricalcium phosphate

citric acid

6 active cultures

Almond Yogurt or Almond Sour Cream  RECIPE found on the web
Ingredients:
1 cup whole, raw blanched almonds
1 Tbsp raw honey
2 1/2 cups Water
1/2 pack of Body Ecology Veggie Culture starter
Preparation:

Make an almond milk by blending nuts with water
Add honey and blend a little more.
Pour milk into a nut milk bag and squeeze to separate fiber from the liquid.
Check the temperature. The almond milk should be about body temperature. If it is not, put on the stove on LOW heat to heat to body temperature. No more than this.
Add 1/2 pack culture starter to the milk (one pack per 1 quart of liquid).
Stir well.
Place container in yogurt maker, with lid off.
Ferment for 8 hours.
After the almond milk ferments, take out of the yogurt maker and place in the fridge for 5 hours to slow the fermentation process.
After the yogurt has cooled, get a glass jar and cut a piece of cheese cloth.
Pour the yogurt in the cheesecloth so that the extra liquid can can drip off, put lid on jar to keep cheese cloth in place.
Let drip for about an hour, or longer if you’d like the yogurt thicker.

Easy Coconut Almond Yogurt Recipe  YouTube Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_wYfPy1zFY

I don't think it looks easy.

[lori stephanie sase bechok]

wow.. thank you diane.. you always go to such lengths to give us great info xo lori

[smith...@mac.com]

My pleasure.

You know I am really interested to see if this diet, the PLD Diet does scientifically work for PLD. I have written to a few researchers with some positive results. I would like to know, are there  any who have had a lessening of symptoms with certain foods or avoidance of chemicals?

~Diane

[Ng]

Hi Diane,

 

May I know what is the substitute for yeast ? Baking Soda ? Can I grind my own brown rice flour ? Wash the brown rice, put into the oven to dry it then grind it. Is that this simple ? or I miss out some steps. Apart from Almond yogurt, what is the substitute for milk ?

 

Please advise.

 

Thank you.

[Diane]

BROWN RICE FLOUR

You have stumbled upon a delightful recipe for bulgar.  If you wash the rice; soak the brown or red rice over night; then put it in the oven what you have is called a rice bulgar. Bulgar when ground into a flour,  is great for baking cakes, cookies and baked goods and requires no more soaking to diminish the  phytic acid. 

I happen to own a grain grinder. I remember in India, we could take our grain to a singer sewing machine grinding shop and this was hooked up to a bicycle. By turning the bicycle this pumped the singer sewing machine and ground the grain into flour. It was very inexpensive to do it this way. 

Here in Hawaii we get grain beetles. Little teeny tiny little bugs that eat the grain or grain products like cereal, chips, crackers, bread. I am very bug phobic. So I store all my grains in the freezer or refrigerator. I also store nuts in the refrigerator, all flours, and seeds. The bugs are diminished with bay leaves. So I sprinkle these freely outside the refrigerator just in case I forget sometime and leave some grain products out.

I take the frozen brown rice and put it in the flour grinder or in a high speed blender. Then I must soak the grain flour by adding water and air and letting it ferment on its own for about 3-4 days. Each day I add fresh water and vigorously mix the flour and water together. This is called capturing the wild yeast or making a deseem or a sour dough starter.

Masala Dosa can be made from Starter.

There is also a recipe for Irish Soda Bread.

Spelt Chapattis

If you will go to

http://www.PKDrecipes.com

and select the bread sliding door, this will reveal many different type of bread recipes.

Let me know if you try any and how it turns out for you.

In Indonesia I think coconut milk is a better substitute. It can be made fresh and locally found.  There is also a rice milk. Let me know if any of these are available in your area.

Warmly,
Diane

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[Diane]

I have written a small pamphlet  detailing the PKD DIET and PLD DIET available for the iPhone/iPad/iTouch.

Kindle has a publication:
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004QO9UXY
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B004QO9UW0

PDF free:
http://www.pkdiet.com/pdf/lists/PDFpkdiet.pdf
http://www.pkdiet.com/pdf/lists/PDFpldiet.pdf

~Diane

[Ng]

Hi Diane,

 

Thanks for the info. It took me so long to understand what is 'Almond Milk' :) , we can use the Almond Milk in powder form, right ?

Is Oat milk same as rice milk ? Have not heard of rice milk though :), will check it out at nearby organic shop soon. We can consume oat milk ?

 

The brown rice flour and rice can use to substitute the spelt flour ? In my opinion that the rice flour and wheat flour are in different texture.

 

Thanks.

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[Barb]

Ng, I don't know where you live, but every supermarket near my home (i live on New Jersey, UAA), sells containers of rice milk, coconut milk,  almond milk and oat milk. I have even seen hemp milk. There are both regular and organic versions. There are regular and flavored (vanilla, chocolate) versions. I have never seen powdered forms of these alternative "milks. "  whichever you prefer, be sure to buy the enriched form as you will not get enough calcium or vitamin D otherwise. 

Barb

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[Diane]

MILK

There is a recipe for almond milk here

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=65

One can take 1 cup of almonds 

Soak in 2-3 cups of water overnight.

Rinse well under running water.

In the morning add fresh 2 cups of water to the 1 cup of soaked almonds. Put in a high speed blender and blend. Then strain through a cheesecloth or unbleached muslin squeezing the edges together to get all the milk out. Keep in the cold refrigerator. This will last three days.

I have not heard of almond milk powder, though I found this on the web.

Yes oat milk is fine. It is cow milk, caribou milk, animal milk that contains hormones and these are harmful for liver cysts because of the hormones.

Almond milk contains 60% MORE calcium than cow milk. Coconut milk also contains more calcium than animal milks.

FLOUR

Yes what you say is true. Rice flour reacts differently than spelt flour. Rice flour is gluten free but works well for flat breads like chapattis, tortillas and such. I use rice flour to make pancakes. I have to adjust cooking times.

Rice flour pancakes:

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=1842

Experiment and see what you can come up with. Rice flour because it is gluten free does not hold together as well as flours with gluten. I have had some pretty delicious marsala dosas made with chickpea flour (bean flour).

Why no wheat? 

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=2917

It is too high in phytic acid and contributes greatly to bloating with PLD. In the USA it is also bleached. This process kills cells of the pancreas, liver and can contribute to increasing the instance of diabetes.

What about sunchoke flour or Jerusalem artichoke flour? Is that available where you live? I think it is best to use local foods, even better than imported organic. Lotus root is especially good for livers. In Japan where they grow lotus root, these areas have a lower incidence of liver disease.

http://www.pkdiet.com/recipes_lotusroot.php

Some make a flour from this.

~Diane

[Diane]

Here are 5 foods with more calcium than cow milk:

http://voices.yahoo.com/5-foods-more-calcium-than-milk-6537486.html

There are a few things on the list to be avoided with liver cysts:

spinach can increase joint pains

sesame seeds a phytoestrogen can increase PLD symptoms

rhubarb can decrease kidney functioning

tofu harmful for PLD

sardines harmful for PLD

salmon harmful for PLD

~Diane

On Sep 5, 2012, at 7:17 AM, Diane <smith...@mac.com> wrote:

MILK

There is a recipe for almond milk here

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=65

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One can take 1 cup of almonds 

Soak in 2-3 cups of water overnight.

Rinse well under running water.

In the morning add fresh 2 cups of water to the 1 cup of soaked almonds. Put in a high speed blender and blend. Then strain through a cheesecloth or unbleached muslin squeezing the edges together to get all the milk out. Keep in the cold refrigerator. This will last three days.

I have not heard of almond milk powder, though I found this on the web.

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[Diane]

I get a vitamin D lab test and increase or decrease depending on what my lab work shows. I have observed there is an increase in energy for me when I take Vitamin D.

Warmly,
Diane

[mde...@aol.com]

Many of us with ADPKD and PLD have to take alfacalcidol which is a specific type of vit D. In my experience I do not get an increase in energy. I would think it is good at stopping the symptoms of vit D deficiency but thats it.

 

Mark

[mde...@aol.com]

Goats milk is great for humans and animals. It is great for people and animals that have digestive and asthma problems. I used to have lots as we had upto 12 goats.

 

Mark

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[Diane]

I really envy you with the goat farm. I would have gone crazy for goat cheese. I love the stuff but for me, it too affects my liver.  I had to stay away from the farmer's market until I was sure they had sold out of goat milk cheese. I could eat an entire brick. They made a hard cheese with local herbs that was so yummy.

~Diane

[Diane]

Hmmm. . .

I get an in expensive natural one at a warehouse store.

~Diane

[Ng]

Hi Barb,

 

I live in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Cow milk and coconut milk are commonly found in any supermarket over  here but not rice milk or almond milk. So far I know almond milk and oat milk are in powder form here. Could you advise how to ensure it is the enrich form ? May I know the vitamin D is for ?

 

Ng

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[Diane]

Ng,

Have you tried coconut milk?

I have some and am about to bake a coconut cake with it. We have company coming from the mainland. I am trying to find alternatives to the sugar. I am using sugar derived from organic coconut.

Diane

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[Marianne Pope]

Hi Disne 

Is the recipe for the coconut cake on the site as as I would love to make it . Also got checked for clotting time and Vitamin k and all fine. Thank you though 

Marianne 

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[Diane]

No its not up yet. I just finished baking it. I will put it up shortly. I have not tried it yet. The sweetener I used is Xagave. Let's see if I can post it?  I am having visitors from the mainland. It is one of my longest standing friends. We met again on facebook and I am so excited to see her again, for the first time in about forty years. My friend is similar to me in that  even after all the years: dinner is something to get through so we can have dessert!

Now the trick is to make the dessert with sweeteners that will not hurt my liver. I think Xagave or tupelo honey will be fine. I am trying coconut oil to replace butter and eggs, well I admit, I am using two eggs for the entire cake.

I have to awaken at 4 am tomorrow to put the walnut bread starter into more flour to make a chef. Then the chef has to rise for not more than 10 hours when I will use it to bake the final non yeasted bread,  walnut bread. Walnut bread is a traditional French bread that is served with a cheese course in lieu of dessert. But we will have both courses:  almond cheese with the non yeasted walnut bread. And we will have coconut cake for dessert too!

I 'll let you know when it is up.

~Diane

[Ng]

Hi Diane,

 

Coconut milk is easily found here, but coconut milk will cause cholesterol level up. Am I right ?

 

Ng

[Diane]

Hello Ng,

No, coconut does not cause heart disease. It is animal proteins that cause this. Here is a 2004 article from Sumatra, Indonesia. I once visited Lake Toba in Sumatra.

intake of animal foods, total protein, dietary cholesterol and less plant derived carbohydrates were predictors of CHD [coronary heart disease].

I use coconut milk and young coconut water  in cakes, brown rice pudding and coconut oil in cookies.  PLD'rs tend to have lower cholesterols than the general population. It is something inherent to PLD.

I am sorry to say that I have also come to experience cheese, milk (cow or goat), eggs, butter do raise cholesterol, even when taken in small amounts. Sometimes I find it difficult to resist local farm made goat cheese and my cholesterol soars to 193.

 2004;13(4):377-84.

Dietary intake and the risk of coronary heart disease among the coconut-consuming Minangkabau in West Sumatra, Indonesia.

Lipoeto NI, Agus Z, Oenzil F, Wahlqvist M, Wattanapenpaiboon N.

Source

Faculty of Medicine, Andalas University, Padang,West Sumatra, Indonesia.

Abstract

Several nutrition and non-nutritional pathways are recognised in the development and occurrence of cardiovascular disease. In many populations, high intakes of saturated fat are associated with elevated serum cholesterol concentrations and increased coronary heart disease (CHD) mortality. However, several studies report that hyperlipidaemia and heart diseases are not common among populations who consume coconut, a source of saturated fat. A case-control study was conducted among the Minangkabau known to be high coconut consumers to examine the difference in food patterns and risk of coronary heart disease (CHD) between the coronary cases and their gender- and age-matched apparently healthy counterparts serving as controls. Eligible subjects with CHD were identified through the co-operation of five participating hospitals located in Padang and Bukittinggi in West Sumatra, Indonesia. A total of 93 eligible cases (62 men and 31 women) in the Case group and 189 subjects (113 men and 76 women) in the Control group were recruited. Information on the intakes of individual foods and dishes over the preceding 12 months was obtained using a semi-quantitative food frequency questionnaire. The Case groups had significantly higher intakes of meats, eggs, sugar, tea, coffee and fruits, but lower intakes of soy products, rice and cereals compared to the controls. Coconut consumption as flesh or milk was not different between cases and controls. The cases had significantly higher intakes of protein and cholesterol, but lower intake of carbohydrate. Similar intakes of saturated and unsaturated fatty acids between the cases and controls indicated that the consumption of total fat or saturated fat, including that from coconut, was not a predictor for CHD in this food culture. However, the intakes of animal foods, total protein, dietary cholesterol and less plant derived carbohydrates were predictors of CHD.

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[Diane]

It is diet of animal proteins that raises cholesterol

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12806724

Nutritional variation and cardiovascular risk factors in Tanzania-

Dietary determinants of serum TC Total Cholesterol were meat, fish and green vegetable consumption. Among women, TC (p < 0.05), age (p < 0.05), BMI (p < 0.001) and coconut milk consumption (p < 0.001) were important BP determinants

CONCLUSION:

Differences in dietary habits contributed significantly to the urban-rural-pastoral variations in Coronary Vascular Disease risk pattern in Tanzania.

Ng, Does coconut milk raise your blood pressure?

~Diane

[Diane]

Dear Marianne,

I am a great experimenter and I just tasted the coconut cake. It was way way too sweet for me. My husband loved it and asked for seconds. I will post the recipe here.

COCONUT CAKE

In a blender

⅓ cup coconut oil

2 large eggs

⅔ cup of coconut milk

1 vanilla bean or 1 tsp vanilla paste or extract

1 tsp almond extract (can omit)

1 cup Xagave

Blend together in blender. Add

2 ½ cups spelt flour

¾ tsp baking powder

¾ tsp baking soda

¾ tsp Himalayan salt

Blend until smooth

Preparation

Preheat oven 350º

Line two cakes pans with parchment paper. This prevents the cake from sticking to the pan. I cut out two circles. Place each at the bottom of the pan. Pour half into one cake pan and half into the other. Bake 40 minutes until wooden pick comes out clean. Try not to open the oven but be sure the cake rises fully. You may have to cook longer or shorter depending on your oven. Flip cake upside down in pan and cool on a wire rack. Once fully cool frost the cake.

The frosting is made with powdered sugar. Beet sugar is a little better than cane sugar. It does not give such a great headache. All local sugar in Michigan is made from beets.

FROSTING

1 package of powdered sugar

or

blend beet sugar with a tbsp of cornstarch

5 Tbsp coconut oil

⅛- ¼ C of coconut milk

6 ounces of unsweetened coconut

Blend together. Once cake is completely cooled frost and sprinkle non sweetened coconut flakes over all.

This was way too sweet for me. I could take only two bites and I was done. My husband and guests enjoyed it thoroughly. They even asked for seconds.

~Diane

On Sep 7, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Marianne Pope <marian...@gmail.com> wrote:

[Diane]

If  a high cholesterol is diet related, usually your LDL is high.

After eating a smidgen of butter, low fat swiss cheese my LDL rose to 108. Normal is 100.

So I have stopped animal proteins once again.

~Diane

[Barb]

Mark, I, too, have never heard of getting energy from vitamin D. It works with calcium for bone health. 

Barb

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[Barb]

Ng, it is a tropical oil and as such is a saturated fat. I am supposed to avoid them. 

Barb

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[Barb]

Coconut a d palm oils are saturated tropical oils. Whether or not you decide to include them in your diet is up to you. I orefer to follow my doctors' advice. 

A cholesterol reading of 193 is considered in the normal range. 200 is the norderline. 

Barb

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[Barb]

Diane, is Xagave a brand name for agave syrup? 

Barb

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[Diane]

Yes Xagave is a brand of agave that is considered organic, non GM, and raw because it has not been heated beyond ~ 130º. I tried it because samples of lemonade were given away at a warehouse store and  the taste was very nice. I made lemonade myself from freshly squeezed lemons.

I enjoy the taste.

Oh, and doesn't give me a headache or raise my cholesterol or give me mood swings.

~Diane

[Diane]

While coconut oil, coconut milk, and coconut is considered good for a liver, one member has reported increase in bloating when consuming raw coconut oil.  I am not sure how to get raw coconut oil. I used to make coconut oil and we had to heat grated coconut until it became oil.

Here are a few articles:

Virgin coconut oil is said to be good for a person. This differs from cottonseed oils which are to be avoided.

⚆ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22927879

Virgin coconut oil (VCO) was found to have antioxidant property

⚆ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21454992

Virgin coconut oil has antinociceptive and anti-inflammatory activities.

⚆ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21318140

[Liver Protective] Hepatoprotective activity of dried- and fermented-processed virgin coconut oil.

~Diane

[Diane]

Young teenage girls receive more muscle mass and they can run faster when they take vitamin D. 

Older adults have positive effects on muscle biology. 

I experience an increase in energy by taking vitamin D. I don't take it everyday. Admittedly  I am not very good at taking supplements. I have my vitamin D level checked. If I need it,  I take it and when I take it I notice an increase in my energy. Because I do not take many supplements, perhaps I am very sensitive to their effects? For instance I cannot take B12 after about 3pm in the afternoon or I have trouble sleeping at night. I have to take calcium citrate at night because it makes me sleepy during the day.

Here are a few articles on Vitamin D:

⚆ http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22684187

vitamin D may have beneficial effects on aging muscle biology.

⚆ http://www.phillyburbs.com/stroke_awareness/study-vitamin-d-might-be-beneficial-for-stroke-prevention/article_2770da96-a66d-11e1-9f95-001a4bcf6878.html

Vitamin D might be beneficial for stroke prevention

⚆ http://www.southasiamail.com/news.php?id=106664

Vitamin D In High Doses Accelerates Tuberculosis Recovery

~Diane

[Diane]

A few more facts about vitamin D:

⚆ http://www.medpagetoday.com/Endocrinology/GeneralEndocrinology/12761

Vitamin D tied to muscle power in adolescent girls

[Diane]

My doc tells me my cholesterol is fine at 193, but mine usually runs 162 and lower. For me this is a spike.

~Diane

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[Barb]

I was not aware that sugar raised cholesterol. I thought that it was the triglycerides that were raised. 

Barb 

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[Barb]

Diane, i was referring to the effects of saturated fats on my blood and heart. Do you know if there were studies on humans after the rat studies? Why is cottonseed oil bad for us? Personally, I do not think that I could take fermented oil. Ugh! 

Barb

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[Diane]

This is a  2011 study from Malyasia on human subjects using:

Palm oil

Coconut oil

Olive oil

CONCLUSION:

Diets that were rich in saturated fatty acids prepared with either Palm Oil or Coconut Oil, or Olive Oil, a diet high in oleic acid, did not alter postprandial or fasting plasma concentrations of tHcy and selected inflammatory markers. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT00941837.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22030224

Cotton is a plant used for material and not a food product. As a non-food plant it can be sprayed with tons of pesticides and herbicides not allowed for plants eaten as food. As Marie-Louise said the biggest culprit for her liver cyst growth and pain was soy. Soy is found in many herbal teas, baking mixes, infant formulas. What monsanto did to the soy bean is it genetically modified soy so it could withstand a ton of round up sprayed on the soy plant and it would remain standing amidst all that herbicide. 

Here in Hawaii individuals who drink soy milk and eat soy products like tofu, tempe, and go much more quickly toward dementia. It is thought to be from the aluminum pipes used to make soy milk here in Hawaii.  I think one of the best things we can do for our bodies in general and for our cystic bodies in particular is to maintain the integrity of our DNA.

The two hit mechanism is seen in both ADPKD with liver cysts and ADPLD without kidney cysts.

I am sorry, I have to refer to your doctor for effects on your heart and blood.  I think the fermented dried coconut oil was for the rat experiments. I too have not heard of fermented oils.

Warmly,
Diane

[Diane]

Table sugar, cane sugar sure raises my cholesterol. I get mood swings; I get really sleepy; I get grumpy; and I get headaches if the concentrated sugar is from cane. This is not so pronounced if the sugar is made from beets (like in Michigan). It is non-existent with Xagave and tupelo honey.For me, this really happens with fructose, corn syrup and maple syrup.

~Diane

[Diane]

Barb I think you are not alone with your question:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22564615

 2012 May;44(4):1021-5.

High glucose increases mesangial lipid accumulation via impaired cholesterol transporters.

Song KH, Park J, Ha H.

Source

Department of Bioinspired Science, Division of Life and Pharmaceutical Sciences, College of Pharmacy, Ewha Womans University, Seoul, Korea.

These results demonstrated that high glucose, in itself, can induce  lipid accumulation; this effect may be associated with an impaired balance between cholesterol.  

My personal opinion is that we cannot get our cholesterol below 150 with diet alone unless we avoid concentrated sugars though our doctors  have observed many with PLD have low cholesterol.

~Diane

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That depends on the brand. Many brands have several types of each kind of milk, and they have various combinations of enrichments.

Barb

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Vitamin D helps to build bone health. If it is enriched, it says so on the label, and when reading the nutrient list on the label, you should see that it has 25-30% of the daily requirement for vitamin D and 25% of calcium's daily requirement. Is it required for nutritional content to be on the food labels in Malaysia?

Barb

 

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Hi Barb,

 

I live in Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia. Cow milk and coconut milk are commonly found in any supermarket over  here but not rice milk or almond milk. So far I know almond milk and oat milk are in powder form here. Could you advise how to ensure it is the enrich form ? May I know the vitamin D is for ?

 

Ng

On Wednesday, 5 September 2012 21:44:18 UTC+8, Barb wrote:

Ng, I don't know where you live, but every supermarket near my home (i live on New Jersey, UAA), sells containers of rice milk, coconut milk,  almond milk and oat milk. I have even seen hemp milk. There are both regular and organic versions. There are regular and flavored (vanilla, chocolate) versions. I have never seen powdered forms of these alternative "milks. "  whichever you prefer, be sure to buy the enriched form as you will not get enough calcium or vitamin D otherwise. 

Barb

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On Sep 5, 2012, at 4:25 AM, Ng <yokef...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Diane,

 

Thanks for the info. It took me so long to understand what is 'Almond Milk' :) , we can use the Almond Milk in powder form, right ?

Is Oat milk same as rice milk ? Have not heard of rice milk though :), will check it out at nearby organic shop soon. We can consume oat milk ?

 

The brown rice flour and rice can use to substitute the spelt flour ? In my opinion that the rice flour and wheat flour are in different texture.

 

Thanks.

On Monday, 23 April 2012 02:38:25 UTC+8, PLDiane wrote:

I just tried this recipe with almond yogurt. It had a delicious flavor
and made a light and fluffy pancake without becoming doughy or flat.
For my husband I followed the recipe exactly. For myself I added more
almond milk. I like a more crêpe like pancake. See what you think.

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=2781

~Diane

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[Paola Viladoms]

Hello Dear Diane,

I saw the coconut cake and I love it!I will try to do it, you put in the recipe 2 eggs, can I eat eggs?

Also I've been drinking Perrier water and I don't really know why but it helps a little bit with my pain.

Thank you 

Paola

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[Diane]

Hello Paola,

EGGS

2 eggs is for the entire cake. I don't eat eggs often because for me, it raises my cholesterol value and eating causes me to spill protein in my urine and some chickens are given hormones, have their wings clipped, are raised in very crowded conditions dirty conditions,  and the lights are kept on so they must continually lay eggs. These practices impart hormones into the eggs and we can ingest these extra hormones. Our livers then utilize these hormones incorporating them into liver cyst growth.

When I use eggs, I try for local eggs that are free chickens. The taste is a bit different. Sometimes in a recipe that calls for eggs I will try egg replacer. There are several suggestions for egg replacers here:

http://www.pkdrecipes.com/?p=2892

I didn't mention this in the recipe because I had not tried baking it with egg replacer. I used 2 real eggs, but had perhaps one-sixteenth of the cake because for me it was way too sweet. Still once I ate this small amount of coconut cake I felt as if I was drunk. Funny eh? It was a feeling of being hung over complete with a headache. I am sure it was from the powdered sugar icing.

PERRIER

I too enjoy drinking perrier. I keep it around my house and have it with grape juice or cranberry juice or a squeeze of lime or lemon. I find it refreshing and it satisfies my thirst.  This could help with pain because of the bubbly diminishing bloating. I hadn't thought about it before but this is a great observation. I will have to see the next time I get liver pain. I encourage you to find foods, drinks, chemicals that seemingly increase or decrease symptoms and let us know about this. This sharing is how we come to know what foods might help. This is known as empirical knowledge. I call it our collective group experiences. This is not something found in books or from our doctors. It comes about only through shared experiences. Thank you Paola.

~Diane

[mde...@aol.com]

Wing clipping is only used on free range farms to make them stop flying out of their pens. I have had to do this with a few of our free range flock and it just means that the flight feathers only are trimmed on one side. There is no pain, nerves, blood or cruelty involved and is RSPCA approved.

 

British hens are not given any hormones whatsoever. Some poultry feed manufacturers put in natural colourants to make the yolk go yellower but these are getting fewer and of course it is a natural ingredient.

 

Mark

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[mde...@aol.com]

Hi

 

High levels of calcium can be bad for you, particularly if you are on dialysis as it can help block up blood vessels.

 

Mark

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[mde...@aol.com]

Coconut in any form is bad for you if you have kidney problems. It is high in protein, cholesterol and potassium so is rated poor by the Royal Devon and Exeter Hospital.

 

Mark

[mde...@aol.com]

Scientists have also proved that certain people have naturally high levels and no matter what is tried levels cannot be reduced but no harm comes to them.

[Diane]

Thanks for the information Mark. Eggs do still raise my cholesterol from 162 to 193. I was told by my holistic doctor that eating yolks would not do this, however  it does with me. It was explained that egg yolk contains a balanced cholesterol and will not stimulate the liver to make more. Eating them should fool the liver that the cholesterol in the body is high enough so it does not need to manufacture more. But it didn't work with me. My cholesterol value rises when I eat egg yolk.

There are some farms in Northern California, that do not clip the wings of their chickens. They do not put their chickens in pens or coop them up with lights on 24 hours. They feed them only seeds with omega3's and they generally allow their chickens to sleep where they want. These eggs are very valued costing upwards of $12/dozen and the person must belong to the farm coop.

There was a TV show that told the differences between the farms here in the USA and how they have chickens who lay eggs.

~Diane

[mde...@aol.com]

In UK more farmers are reducing the size of the battery hen flocks and converting to barn or free range egg systems. Under European law there are now stricter laws on how much space a battery hen has and other needs for life. The extra cost has also driven some out of business as they have had to change all of the cages and buildings. Barn hens are kept loose to run about inside a building in a large flock and not in cages. Free range hens have the opportunity to go outside in an area however in commercial systems they tend to feed and water inside so they do not venture out very often. British hens only get light for a few hours a day in autumn and winter months to replace daylight.

 

My own hens are true free range. They are free to wander across the garden with geese and a cockerel guarding them. They are fed and watered away from their house so they get lots of exercise and are low density unlike farmed free range birds. The problems arise when even despite having all of their space they decide to fly over into neighbours gardens and so get a wing clipping. The aim is to throw them off balance so they dont like it and stop it. The flight feathers do grow back at the next moult 6 months later. Luckily it is the smaller breeds only that need it. The only light they get is natural light and they get a varied diet.

 

Certain breeds of hens actually produce low cholestrol eggs. One breed of hen's egg you want to trace is an Aracauna from South America. This bird should always be free range and lays a blue or green egg depending on the particular colour of the hens feathers. Tests have established this hen lays a consistently lower cholestrol egg. I have had a few of these hens and they are delightful pets and dont take up much space or cause trouble.

[Diane]

Mark how delightful that you raise your own chickens and use their eggs. I can only imagine the taste must be far superior to the store bought variety. Does this translate to a different cholesterol value? Is yours low?

Warmly,
Diane

[mde...@aol.com]

The average store egg is three weeks old before it gets to the shelf. Mine are used between 4 hours to 7 days (for hard boiled eggs). We sold spare eggs to friends and neighbours, as european law prevents sale to the public on a commercial basis. To sell eggs commercially in europe they must be salmonella tested (irrespective of the breed - some breeds are bred to be salmonella free) and marked with country markings flock numbers and useby date which is ridiculous as the allowed date is shorter than the actual egg life. There is a small flock exemption which is how we get around these laws.

 

My eggs look a lot yellower have huge yolks and taste fantastic by comparison. My hens also live their entire natural lives unless for some reason it is unable to save them eg illness. They eat fruit, wheat, pellets, slugs insects, worms This means that they lay larger eggs as they go on but fewer of them. Sometimes they even have two or three yolks. I advise anyone to try a proper free range egg. The difference is like chalk and cheese.

 

My cholestrol level is still very good even with my liver cysts. It is slap bang in the middle of the normal range.

[mde...@aol.com]

survey even!!!

[Diane]

Sounds fantastic.And you are so lucky to have normal smack bang in the middle cholesterol. My PKD friend living in France also has free range chickens. He was so saddened when a Ferrier (a hawk like bird) swooped down and ate one of his chickens. His eggs were also a deep golden colored yolks almost orange.

~Diane

[Diane]

survey even!!!

hmm?

~Diane