I also support the idea that PFS should be inclusive, and no player should feel
left out for any reason. That's part of its mission statement.
The resolution of those ideals is tricky, and this post is not about those
back-and-forth arguments.
But do I understand correctly that, as a community, we have resorted to
alienating members of our community (by making fun of them), because
their actions have led to a perceived alienation of GMs?
Pot, kettle, black?
Take a deep breath, everyone. Bigger problems exist, and the "ruling"
allows for both camps to exist. Let's let this lie.
Ankur
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the intention (at least at that time) was to approve everyone who
bothered to apply—to be as inclusive as possible to grow a community
in which everyone felt welcome to play Pathfinder Society games via
whatever platform worked for them.
You keep saying that yet your position has achieved exactly the opposite. Far from being inclusive, you've clearly said that certain GMs are not welcome here - that they can only be in private groups.So as a GM in a public forum, I can't restrict classes to those I understand or that give me a game I enjoy. I can't place a restriction on Tier and must prepare every tier in the adventure I offer (something that is much more work in a VTT than on paper).Let's also not forget that this policy also excludes PLAYERS who might want to play with some restrictions. If I'm a player that wants to play with some restriction, I can no longer find a game that runs that way.Lastly, let's not over look the clear double-standard at work here. If I'm a player, I can choose whatever restrictions I want. I can sit out a game with summoners, I can choose what tier to play at, I can choose who I want to play with. Your policy means a GM cannot make any of those choices while a player can.You're the coordinator. You get to make the rules and I'll live with them one way or another, but stop calling this an "inclusive" policy. It's nothing of the sort.
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letting this issue dominate the group in the form of disclaimers and such.
such a hotbed for elitism and exclusivity is disappointing,
whatever specific character choice you find offensive.
and those who want to play gnomes don't even need to know that there's a group
of players who despise
that single element that so offends their sensibilities
But don't sully the group
feel that they need to tread so carefully around others' preferences as to not
bother to join the campaign.
I simply ask that everyone really think about what makes Pathfinder Society and the Pathfinder Society
Online Collective great
before making a knee-jerk reaction to an
trust that everyone will make the right choice.
Making sweeping changes based on something like that would be extremely shortsighted.
Now can we please move on to something else?
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All this because I politely asked a GM not to be exclusive. all I got was a personal attack, so I privately emailed him to settle things down, All that resulted in was bringing other GM's into this, and Lies being told about me (I have the private email still).
I was alway polite, but others decided to make an issue out of the right to discriminate. What next - women, races?
Nope, just me. I hereby exclude myself from this group and any other crying.
Underground GMs ...you have my Skype and gmail info.
Respectfully, the only reason I'm on this list is because I was a "walk-by" newbie who lives in some remote rural area with no game store. I moved here for my wife's career, and I love her dearly still. But good god, I drive down the equivalent of 'Main street' and there are teenagers in cowboy hats literally practicing lassoing wooden sawhorses... with rope! For fun and 4-H, whatever that is.
Aint no PFS action happening here face to face.
The only reason I haven't been involved is that when I finally figured out how to work Maptools I started running APs for my friends back home.
But now I want to run PFS with y'all.
(shudders at y'all)
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> Oh...and Demoyn, show a little more respect please. These folks get paid
> peanuts to make a game they hope you will enjoy and have fun playing.
> Don't insult their choices on how to build it because you "knew better".
> Obviously, you didn't.
I absolutely will NOT show Mark any more respect. He hasn't earned
it. EVERY. SINGLE. STATEMENT. he's made since joining PFS as a
Paizo employee has lowered the standards of PFS.
Josh was a great PFS coordinator. He got fired. Hyrum was an
EXCELLENT PFS coordinator. He was let go. Mark was the absolute
worst, most oblivious person to ever be in charge of a living campaign
and he's still there making decisions for some reason.
Just for the record, I DO know better. If you don't believe me you
can search my posts on the Paizo forums where I predicted this exact
environment during the gunslinger beta. Everyone with a clue saw this
coming from day one. Mark, however (the one with the decision-making
ability) did not. I think history speaks for itself.
If Mark wants to make PFS a better game or earn our respect he'll
tender his resignation to Paizo (or at least get moved off of PFS).
Until then he'll be shown the respect he's earned. Zero.
I actually skipped the entire 3.5 movement, and got back into D&D in mid 2007, with Rise of the Runelords.
I ran RotRL face to face, and I was running it for a second group, and got through Chapter Two when we moved to Eastern Oregon (from Louisville KY).
I missed my friends and GM, so I made myself learn how to use MapTools. I finished that 2nd iteration of Runelords with MapTools.. and then I got to Chapter 3 of Serpent's Skull (and I got slammed to a halt by the complete lack of maps). Recently I ran Chapter One of Carrion Crown, but I plan to return to Serpent's Skull soon..
So I learned Pathfinder face to face, but I got really good at doing it online.
Except, I get stage fright like everybody else. I grapple with the fear that people I don't know will think I suck as a GM. There are some common rules I have to look up sometimes. Not unlike everybody else.
In fact, back in 2007 I wrote Todd about the GM's familiar because I wanted to use it in face to face games, but at that time the only laptop we had was an ancient beast with an old operating system.
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I absolutely will NOT show Mark any more respect. He hasn't earned
it. EVERY. SINGLE. STATEMENT. he's made since joining PFS as a
Paizo employee has lowered the standards of PFS.
<<snipped bile>>
Demoyn, im sorry to see you withdraw your character from my table on monday.
I was looking forward to seeing you at a table with me for the first time. I was hoping to actually game with someone of a differing opinion without bringing any personnal drama to a table and conducting ourselves in the name of fun as two capable, intelligent, mature adults.
If you change your mind, i'll keep a slot open for ya.
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As a PFS GM, I have often felt that modules generally allow you to choose two
of the following:
1) Have "interesting" combats, where that could be hard, fun, or different.
2) Have good roleplay with meaningful NPC encounters.
3) Give proper treatment to faction missions.
In my opinion, this is a problem.
Ankur
P.S. Oh, and by the way, just as a side note, access on chronicle sheets has
virtually no meaning. Please change this too. :)
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This then implies that your balance issues remain PFS legal.
What will you do about it? This is where the banning discussion came from.
Ankur
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> Well some paizo non CRB are equally disturbing...
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Sigh.
Ankur
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> In my homebrew I banned all archtypes right from word go and problem was
> instantly solved
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And there was no talk of "banning" anything. It was a few GMs that preferred to play without a class or two. There were plenty of GMs still available to run with those classes.
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Those Gms that don t support banning synthesists, I wonder how they d feel if 6 synthesists apply to a game of theirs...
Since this is organized play rules should stick to CRB and nothing else, because you can t have organized play without pretty well balanced rules.
Also NPCs having feats that PCs can t is not seen in any game I ve seen...There is nothing wrong with people creating their own things.
They should do that and maybe even make a database of some sort of auction house where ppl would buy things other PCs have created...
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for instance one can apply an arcane spell failure rule in item creation rules
Since this is organized play rules should stick to CRB and nothing else, because you can t have organized play without pretty well balanced rules.
Organized Play uses the CRB, it also uses the books & options, all from Paizo publications, listed on the Additional Resources page.
Yes and i don t support the "it also blablabla" am I allowed?
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"Yes and i don t support the "it also blablabla" am I allowed?" -ArisCorrect. If you do not wish to follow these guidelines for PFS play, then we are unable to accept any PC's that do not abide by the PFS rules at a PFS scenario run table for PFS credit. Thank you for your time and input on this. If you wish to see that change, please go to www.paizo.com and engage others in a civil discussion on the message boards.-Kyle Elliott
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I am following the guidelines ...where it says I must also like them??? can you direct me to that page mister Venture Lieutenant?
Aris- in organized play the mechanics of the game ARE the bible. You
absolutely do not have the option to ignore them. As annoying as it
can be at times RAW is the law of the land.
In a game run by an individual GM we would all agree that changes will
be made to fit the play style and preferences of the group. That is
not the case here. At this point I can't tell if you are confusing
the the game Pathfinder with the campaign Pathfinder Society. They are
not the same thing.
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Ναι το παιζο εχει πολλα λαθη και ανισορροπους κανονες οι οποιοι δε μ αρεσουν και τους ακολουθω απο αναγκη...αυτο δε σημαινει οτι συμφωνω με αυτους τους κανονες. Παρολα τα λαθη οι κανονες ειναι αρκετα καλυτεροι απο οτιδηποτε αλλο υπαρχει αυτη τη στιγμη... Τα CRB ειναι φανερα πιο προσεγμενα
Funny I know I m intimidating but I never scared a venture lieutenant before :D
Nobody ever suggested that we ban LEGIT classes. The only classes
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Allthough
> if I was gm I would ban 3rd party rules and not legit classes.
mentioned for banning were gunslingers and summoners.