new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

[Glenn Hampson]

Hi Folks,

 

As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

 

I’m not sure if this project would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if there’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new project. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olson’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related projects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources development” or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

 

How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, I’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If there’s enough interest in this, we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forward).

 

Thoughts?

 

Glenn

 

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[Anthony Watkinson]

May I suggest that whatever we do we take into account and bring in to our discussions Lars Bjornhauge of DOAJ who has worked hard to provide an excellent white list. Beall produced a black list

 

Anthony

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[Glenn Hampson]

Great suggestion---thanks Anthony. And Lars is coming to OSI2017. I’ll forward your note to him and see if he wants to weigh in on this.

 

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[Lars Bjørnshauge]

Thanks Anthony!

Yes, here comes the disclaimer:

I am the Managing Director for DOAJ (www.doaj.org), and I will be in Washington to the meeting in April.

With our 8 paid staff and 15 DOAJ Ambassadors on the ground in China, India, Middle East, Africa and Latin America and dozens of volunteers donating some hours a week enables us to do very detailed evaluation of the more than 300 new applications we handle every month.

We wish we could process the evaluations faster and do an even better curation of the more than 9.000 journal in the DOAJ, But this all depends on the funding from the community. Luckily hundreds of university libraries, more than a dozen library consortia supports us, and virtually all the important publishers and aggregators sponsor the work we do - there are empty seats in the bus: https://doaj.org/membership

I will be happy to fill you in one way or another, when we meet in Washington in 3 months time.

Best wishes

Lars

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[Mike Taylor]

Maybe a better plan would be this: take the disappearance of Beall's list as an opportunity to focus from being blacklist-focussed to instead prioritising the whitelisting approach of DOAJ. I don't see that Beall's List needs replacing.

-- Mike.

[Rick Anderson]

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, for what it’s worth: blacklisting and whitelisting aren’t mutually exclusive, and we don’t have to choose between them. Each kind of list serves a different purposes, both important. I hope we (or someone) will take this opportunity to do a blacklist the right way: with transparency, accountability, consistency, and fairness.

 

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[Glenn Hampson]

Interesting---thanks Mike, Lars. Well Mike, reading the email from Lars about how much work is involved, it may be completely impractical to think about creating a new blacklist anyway! Mike---how do you see a new whitelist differing from resources like SHERPA/RoMEO or Web of Science?

 

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From: Mike Taylor [mailto:mi...@indexdata.com]

Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 2:09 PM
To: Lars Bjørnshauge

Cc: Anthony Watkinson; Glenn Hampson; osi2016-25-googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

Maybe a better plan would be this: take the disappearance of Beall's list as an opportunity to focus from being blacklist-focussed to instead prioritising the whitelisting approach of DOAJ. I don't see that Beall's List needs replacing.

 

-- Mike.

 

On 23 January 2017 at 22:03, Lars Bjørnshauge <la...@doaj.org> wrote:

Thanks Anthony!

 

Yes, here comes the disclaimer:

 

I am the Managing Director for DOAJ (www.doaj.org), and I will be in Washington to the meeting in April.

 

With our 8 paid staff and 15 DOAJ Ambassadors on the ground in China, India, Middle East, Africa and Latin America and dozens of volunteers donating some hours a week enables us to do very detailed evaluation of the more than 300 new applications we handle every month.

 

We wish we could process the evaluations faster and do an even better curation of the more than 9.000 journal in the DOAJ, But this all depends on the funding from the community. Luckily hundreds of university libraries, more than a dozen library consortia supports us, and virtually all the important publishers and aggregators sponsor the work we do - there are empty seats in the bus: https://doaj.org/membership

 

I will be happy to fill you in one way or another, when we meet in Washington in 3 months time.

 

Best wishes

 

Lars

 

 

On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 10:40 PM, Anthony Watkinson <anthony....@btinternet.com> wrote:

May I suggest that whatever we do we take into account and bring in to our discussions Lars Bjornhauge of DOAJ who has worked hard to provide an excellent white list. Beall produced a black list

 

Anthony

 

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Subject: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

Hi Folks,

 

As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

 

I’m not sure if this project would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if there’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new project. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olson’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related projects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources development” or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

 

How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, I’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If there’s enough interest in this, we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forward).

 

Thoughts?

 

Glenn

 

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[Mike Taylor]

It is certainly true that blacklisting and whitelisting are not mutually exclusive. Of course we can do both -- and until a week ago, we did.

But there are plenty of people who feel that blacklisting is an inherently negative approach, and one that is bound to attract hostility -- such as the legal aggression that we assume was behind the takedown of Beall's List. Why would we not expect the same outcome for a new list? And why even try to play the blacklisting whack-a-mole game?

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[Barrett, Kim]

As always, happy to agree with Rick.  I see too many students and even junior faculty who are confused/flattered/taken advantage of by emails from predatory OA journals.

 

Kim E. Barrett, Ph.D.

Distinguished Professor of Medicine, UC San Diego

Editor-in-Chief, The Journal of Physiology

Ph: 858 534 2796

[Mike Taylor]

If only those students were educated!

Here, for anyone who has not seen it, is a very short tutorial for avoid predatory publishers:

https://svpow.com/2013/04/09/tutorial-23-how-to-avoid-giving-your-work-to-a-predatory-open-access-publisher/

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[Rick Anderson]

I don’t want to try everyone’s patience with repetition, so I’ll just link to the answers to those questions that I’ve offered before:

 

https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2015/08/17/deceptive-publishing-why-we-need-a-blacklist-and-some-suggestions-on-how-to-do-it-right/

 

 

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From: <osi20...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Mike Taylor <mi...@indexdata.com>
Date: Monday, January 23, 2017 at 3:54 PM
To: Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org>
Cc: Lars Bjørnshauge <la...@doaj.org>, Anthony Watkinson <anthony....@btinternet.com>, "osi2016-25-googlegroups.com" <osi20...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

It is certainly true that blacklisting and whitelisting are not mutually exclusive. Of course we can do both -- and until a week ago, we did.

 

But there are plenty of people who feel that blacklisting is an inherently negative approach, and one that is bound to attract hostility -- such as the legal aggression that we assume was behind the takedown of Beall's List. Why would we not expect the same outcome for a new list? And why even try to play the blacklisting whack-a-mole game?

 

-- Mike.

 

 

 

 

On 23 January 2017 at 22:42, Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Interesting---thanks Mike, Lars. Well Mike, reading the email from Lars about how much work is involved, it may be completely impractical to think about creating a new blacklist anyway! Mike---how do you see a new whitelist differing from resources like SHERPA/RoMEO or Web of Science?

 

Glenn Hampson

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[Margaret Winker Cook]

Hi Glenn and all,

This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit. 

The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

 

Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ). 

 

Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway. 

Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals. 

 

On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.org has a useful tool for authors.  

Best wishes,

Margaret

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[Barrett, Kim]

I clicked the link eagerly hoping for a resource I could share, but this is not helpful at all.  Indeed, with the snarky comment “So much talk that I can’t help wondering whether the phrase is being pushed by barrier-based publishers in another attempt to smear open access” it just continues to polarize rather than contribute to solving the problem.

 

These predatory journals go to great lengths to look and sound legitimate.  It’s no wonder that those who are new to the system can be taken in, especially if they are working in a setting where mentoring is hard to come by.  In fact, one of the saddest things is that those who can least afford to be taken in by these scams are the most likely to fall victim.

 

Kim E. Barrett, Ph.D.

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If only those students were educated!

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[Mike Taylor]

On 23 January 2017 at 23:10, Barrett, Kim <kbar...@ucsd.edu> wrote:

I clicked the link eagerly hoping for a resource I could share, but this is not helpful at all.

I beg to differ. It is literally all you need to know in order to avoid predatory journals.

This is not a complicated problem.

(By all means ignore the snarky opening paragraph. That is not really germane, and should probably have been left out -- although let the record show that in fact Beall WAS attempting to portray all open access in a bad light, as his own writings make plainly clear.)

-- Mike.

 

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[Barrett, Kim]

Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly is a useful resource.

 

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Hi Glenn and all,

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[Glenn Hampson]

One perspective that hasn’t been mentioned yet is the damage being done to science by fraudulent publishers. This NPR article about John Bohannon’s experiment from a few years ago (where he submitted a fake research article 305 times and had a 61% acceptance rate) has some good insight into this (I’m sure there’s been deeper analyses since then): http://n.pr/2frPyAO. From this article:

Two big questions arise out of all this: What damage is done by publish-anything journals? And what can be done about it?

The potential damage is both far-reaching and difficult to quantify. Bohannan points out that universities and government agencies, particularly in developing countries, may hire researchers based on resumes packed with sleazy citations. Determining which of those CV entries is high-quality and which aren't is no easy task.

Beall notes that lawyers often use scientific citations in briefs and trials. Government officials draw on published research to set policy. Drug companies have a strong incentive to manipulate research to bolster their claims. And researchers may be led down futile paths on the basis of poor research.

As to what can be done, Beall says poor-quality research can probably only be driven out by naming and shaming.

Bohannan thinks there might be a sort of Consumer Reports to survey the quality of online journals and call out those that fall short. And he thinks maybe such an enterprise might regularly carry out stings like his to keep everyone in the field on their toes.

Of course, Randy Schekman and others have argued that the name-brand dominated journal system is also damaging science because this system rewards producing papers that are eye-catching (and even increases the temptation to bury negative findings as Ben Goldacre has argued). So I guess there’s plenty of ire to go round. But the larger point is that irrespective of who’s to blame for participating in the system the way it’s constructed---on either end of the system---journals are a vital conduit between researchers and between research and the public, and until/unless that changes, protecting the integrity of the system is quite important.

 

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Glenn

 

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[Barrett, Kim]

Rick also does a good job of addressing these issues in his Scholarly Kitchen piece.

 

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[Bev.A...@f1000.com]

Thanks for the feedback Kim (and Margaret) - Speaking as one of the original founders of Think.Check.Submit (along with Lars) - if people can think of anything else we could be adding to the resource to make it even more useful, we'd be very happy to hear ideas from you. 

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[Angela Cochran]

When I give a talk on guidelines for choosing the right journal, I start with "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." When I talk to people all over the world, they sight predatory journals as the reason to not only avoid OA journals but also online only journals. This is why publishers are doing well with Hybrid OA. I can also tell you that libraries all over the place were linking to Beall's list to provide guidance for students and faculty. Journals pop up all the time and I don't know how a white list will stay current. 

We need to continue to push Think.Check.Submit with the caveat that many of the fraudulent journals and conferences are having a fairly easy time if faking all the markers. 

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[David Wojick]

Cabell's says they will launch their blacklist this spring, but of course that can change.

I am very concerned that any blacklist based on business practices will do much more harm than good. The journals on Beall's lists are publishing hundreds of thousands of articles a year, for very low APCs. Being blacklisted is seriously impeding the communication of this huge amount of research. It threatens the entire low cost publishing revolution.

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[David Wojick]

The central question, which no one seems to be asking, is what fraction of the 12,000+ journals on Beall's lists are actually fraudulent? I suspect very few because of the huge number of legitimate articles being published. Everywhere I look I see people assuming that all of these journals are fraudulent (whatever that even means). This is wildly false and very bad for science, because a huge literature is being blackballed in the process.

Questionable business practices do not render the published science illegitimate. This is especially true if these practices merely reflect the ultra-low budget of the journal, which appears to be the case in many instances.

David

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[Annie Johnson]

I have to say that my thinking has really changed on this issue. I
used to believe that it was fairly easy to avoid so-called "predatory
publishers." However, after managing our OA Publishing Fund, and
researching our faculty's OA publishing practices, I am convinced that
faculty and graduate students need a lot more education when it comes
to figuring out which journals to publish in or otherwise be involved
with.

I think the Library Loon's ideas for dealing with this problem are quite good:
http://gavialib.com/2017/01/roughing-out-a-new-system-for-identifying-useless-journals/

In particular, I agree with her that any "list" should focus on
individual journals, not publishers.

Best,

Annie

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[Rick Anderson]

I don’t think anyone believes that a deceptive or predatory journal can never publish legitimate science. The problem isn’t that they produce only garbage, and the problem isn’t the size of their APCs; the problem that concerns us is when a journal engages in deceptive practices. When a journal offers peer review or editorial vetting for a price, but then doesn’t provide it; when it lies about the nature or makeup of its editorial board; when it misrepresents an affiliation with a scholarly society; when it lies about its Impact Factor (or about having one at all), and so forth, these are practices that should be called out regardless of whether the submissions it attracts represent legitimate science.

 

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[Cochran, Angela]

Or, they disappear and the authors are left with nothing because no one bothered to check that the content is being archived properly.

 

Angela Cochran

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[David Wojick]

First of all, and again, what fraction of the journals on Beall's list actually engage in these specific deceptive practices? I suspect the fraction is quite low. Many of Beall's criteria simply target low cost journals.

Second, if those journals that in fact using false advertising still publish large numbers of legitimate articles, how do we provide access and discovery for these articles, when the journals are being blackballed by the indexers, etc., for being blacklisted?

There is a huge scientific communication problem here, which I think dwarfs the predation problem. Millions of articles and researchers, mostly from poorer countries, are being adversely affected because their journals are on Beall's lists.

David

Inside Public Access

[Danny Kingsley]

In response to Angela's comment "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." it might be worth noting that all is not shiny and clean on the non-OA side of the ledger. What exactly are we describing as predatory behaviour?

1. Publishing fake journals that are paid for by a commerical interest and dressed up to look like 'real' journals?
"Elsevier published 6 fake journals" - http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/

2. Using 'peer review rings' to give the impression of a robust peer review process?
"17 retractions from SAGE journals bring total fake peer review count to 250"http://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/19/17-retractions-from-sage-journals-bring-total-fake-peer-review-count-to-250/

3. Or not doing any peer review at all, just waving articles through?
"How Gobbledygook Ended Up in Respected Scientific Journals" (Springer and IEEE) http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/27/how_nonsense_papers_ended_up_in_respected_scientific_journals.html

The Bohannon sting only sent the articles to open access journals, it did not send any to subscription journals. That in itself is not a particularly robust study.

I'm not defending Beall's list nor predatory publishers, I am simply pointing out that there are problems in the system everywhere.

Danny

[Rick Anderson]

I think we all agree that Beall’s List was seriously flawed, and that a blacklist is only as good as the legitimacy of its criteria and only as effective as the fairness, transparency, and consistency of its implementation.

 

So let’s create a legitimate set of criteria and manage the list fairly, transparently, and consistently. (Or support such a list if someone else does it.)

[Angela Cochran]

Danny, I am really not interested in re-litigating what Elsevier did in 2009. The point is that authors in countries outside the US and Europe, who are under even more pressure to publish in journals, are being scammed by fly-by-night operations and larger operations that are purposefully misrepresenting themselves. They are getting spam emails every dang day about new journals. All that noise is shaping opinions about open access journals, online only journals, and new innovative models in general. If you want to tell them not to bother publishing in Elsevier, Springer, and IEEE and lump that all in with OMICS, that's really not fair.  

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Exactly right. 

I'm interested but a little afraid of this project because it could easily become overwhelming. How would it be organized? Wiki?

Its organizers need to look into indemnification. Most predatory journals will probably want to avoid exposure during a legal action but those that choose to fight back and the few that are inevitably misclassified will necessitate liability coverage.

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[Glenn Hampson]

I think Rick and Danny (“I'm not defending Beall's list nor predatory publishers, I am simply pointing out that there are problems in the system everywhere.”) are hitting the nail on the head here. This group probably agrees in principle with the need to ensure the legitimacy of the scholarly publishing enterprise. How we get there from here is a path that an OSI workgroup may be able to help chart (with continued input from all of you).

 

But in the meantime, just to extend this discussion a bit more into the “what next” realm, do you think this is an industry issue that calls out for self-regulation? We don’t want to render current efforts irrelevant, but is there a way to combine forces and bolster existing efforts so the industry itself can do a more complete job of getting a handle on this issue? For instance---and this is just a wacky what-if for starters---what if publishers and industry reps (maybe using an OSI workgroup to get started) set up a roundtable to decide what minimum standards research publishers must meet in order to get industry accreditation (or is there already something like this that can be built upon)? This accreditation (maybe an SSP badge?) would be the hallmark---the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval that signal it’s okay for funders to pay for publishing in this journal, okay for libraries to subscribe, and okay for authors to put articles published in this journal on their resumes. This wouldn’t be the blacklist that Mike hates and that would be forever battling the bad actors (as Tee notes), but it also wouldn’t be a complete whitelist. Rather, it would be a select list that signifies competency (much like the accreditation that happens everywhere else in academia)---that journals with this designation have gone through a fair, inclusive, defined, transparent, and accountable process of being recognized as legitimate. Obviously, this process would need to be scrupulously open and evenhanded to ensure that it doesn’t give the appearance of being against this or that type of publishing format per se---these are important issues that the roundtable should look at in order to ensure that these new guidelines are universally accepted as being the right way to protect and advance research (and indeed, Margaret’s group and maybe others as well have already come up with a starting point for discussion on this).

 

In the meantime and to help pave the way toward a system like this, it might help if current journal directories became significantly more inclusive and robust, with support for this additional work provided by publishers since it’s the entire publishing enterprise that is affected here. Indeed, maybe established directories (with publisher support) could eventually carry the bulk of the responsibility for this accreditation.

 

Does this approach make sense? Is it legal (is it collusion)? Practical? Desirable? Is there a better way?

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

 

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[Margaret Winker Cook]

Glenn,

I agree that would be a good approach from the standpoint of publishers attesting that the journals they publish adhere to the set of standards developed by multiple stakeholders (as long as one provided a method for authors who find otherwise --eg, lack of peer review-- to report them). However, a number of journals in LMICs have no publisher, so a publisher-centric approach would further widen the gap between journals with and without adequate resources, making it even less likely that such journals could survive. There would need to be an alternate path for such journals to be whitelisted. 

Margaret

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[Rebecca Kennison]

Agreed on problems with the system everywhere -- and also with Annie's point that education is critical.

That said, I'm more than a little worried that a system that relies on peer review can be so easily taken in by either fake or even less-than-stellar journals. The very same people who are publishing in these journals are also reviewing for other journals. Surely they can (or should!) be able to tell the quality of the journal from the content, right? If not, then our concern should be much larger than predatory journals; to my mind, the existence (and success) of those journals merely highlights the other (and potentially much more serious) problems with the system itself.

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[Rick Anderson]

I think it’s important to remember that the business model of a predatory journal don’t necessarily rely on deceiving potential authors (though some of them surely do). These journals also help unscrupulous authors deceive their colleagues, potential employers, etc., by providing what amounts to a “diploma mill” for articles. You pay for publication in a journal with a scholarly- or scientific-sounding name (despite knowing full well that it’s a sham journal), your article is published, and you get a publication entry you can add to your CV that looks just like a legitimate publication in that context. For authors working in systems that place a high premium on sheer number of peer-reviewed publications with high IFs, the temptation to make use of a service like this can be very great.

 

As one example of how this can work: recently I was invited to contribute to something called _Open Access Library Journal_, which is published by Scientific Research: An Academic Publisher. (You can see this journal’s website at http://www.scirp.org/journal/oalibj/). A quick glance at the most recent table of contents makes clear that this journal will publish anything, on any topic whatsoever – in fact, none of the articles seems to have any relationship to libraries at all. I don’t believe for a second that any of those authors were fooled into thinking they were submitting to a legitimate journal. But all of them now have entries on their CVs that look very much like legitimate publications – and would look even more legitimate if the publisher were just a little bit less clumsy in its self-presentation.

 

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Not necessarily. The overlap between authors and reviewers is not as high as one would expect. Further, most of the reviewers are US and Europe based. There are differences in some fields but I would not assume that people publishing in problematic journals are reviewers for other journals. 

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The other thing happening is that papers published in established journals are being copied verbatim with just the author names changed and republished in problematic journals. Whether the journal does this to appear to have content or there are authors scamming the system, I do not know yet. I have multiple cases under review. 

Angela 

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[David Wojick]

Angela: What evidence do you have that "being scammed by fly-by-night operations and larger operations that are purposefully misrepresenting themselves" is actually a significant problem? It might be only a few dozen publishers out of the thousand or so on Beall's list (including the host of standalone journal publishers).

Note too that email advertising of new journals is a legitimate form of direct mail advertising. I get most of my subscribers that way and have used direct mail to advertise my short courses for 40 years. First snail, then fax, now email. There is nothing predatory or scammy about email advertising per se. It certainly should not be the basis for blacklisting a journal or publisher, but I think it is one of Beall's many criteria.

It is actually things like Beall's out-of-control list that is creating the image of a massive integrity problem.

David
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At 12:49 PM 1/24/2017, you wrote:

Danny, I am really not interested in re-litigating what Elsevier did in 2009. The point is that authors in countries outside the US and Europe, who are under even more pressure to publish in journals, are being scammed by fly-by-night operations and larger operations that are purposefully misrepresenting themselves. They are getting spam emails every dang day about new journals. All that noise is shaping opinions about open access journals, online only journals, and new innovative models in general. If you want to tell them not to bother publishing in Elsevier, Springer, and IEEE and lump that all in with OMICS, that's really not fair. Â

Angela Cochran

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Danny Kingsley <da...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

In response to Angela's comment "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." it might be worth noting that all is not shiny and clean on the non-OA side of the ledger. What exactly are we describing as predatory behaviour?

1. Publishing fake journals that are paid for by a commerical interest and dressed up to look like 'real' journals?

"Elsevier published 6 fake journals" - http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/

2. Using 'peer review rings' to give the impression of a robust peer review process?

" 17 retractions from SAGE journals bring total fake peer review count to 250 " http://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/19/17-retractions-from-sage-journals-bring-total-fake-peer-review-count-to-250/

3. Or not doing any peer review at all, just waving articles through?

"How Gobbledygook Ended Up in Respected Scientific Journals" (Springer and IEEE) http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2014/02/27/how_nonsense_papers_ended_up_in_respected_scientific_journals.html

The Bohannon sting only sent the articles to open access journals, it did not send any to subscription journals. That in itself is not a particularly robust study.

I'm not defending Beall's list nor predatory publishers, I am simply pointing out that there are problems in the system everywhere.

Danny

On 24/01/2017 11:56, Angela Cochran wrote:

When I give a talk on guidelines for choosing the right journal, I start with "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." When I talk to people all over the world, they sight predatory journals as the reason to not only avoid OA journals but also online only journals. This is why publishers are doing well with Hybrid OA. I can also tell you that libraries all over the place were linking to Beall's list to provide guidance for students and faculty. Journals pop up all the time and I don't know how a white list will stay current.Â

We need to continue to push Think.Check.Submit with the caveat that many of the fraudulent journals and conferences are having a fairly easy time if faking all the markers.Â

Angela Cochran

Associate Publisher, ASCE

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Thanks for the feedback Kim (and Margaret) - Speaking as one of the original founders of Think.Check.Submit (along with Lars) - if people can think of anything else we could be adding to the resource to make it even more useful, we'd be very happy to hear ideas from you. 

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Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly is a useful resource.

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Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

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Hi Glenn and all,

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This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice  ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit.Â

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The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

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Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ).Â

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Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html  ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway.Â

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Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals.Â

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On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.org has a useful tool for authors. Â

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Best wishes,

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Margaret

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Former Deputy Web Editor, JAMA, and former Senior Research Editor, PLOS MedicineÂ

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Glenn Hampson < gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Hi Folks,

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As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

Â

I’m not sure if this project would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if there’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new project. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olson’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related projects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources development†or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

Â

How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, I’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If there’s enough interest in this, we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forward).

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Thoughts?

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Glenn

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[Anthony Watkinson]

Forgive me adding a point that may already have been made. In our current work on open access we have realised that there is a real danger of conflating publications from predatory publishers with new journals from (mainly) developing countries who may have editors and editorial boards not well known in developing countries but which may be doing perfectly respectable peer review for small APCs or no APCs at all.

 

Because they are new they are yet to be indexed and certainly will not have an impact factor. It is a problem that all new journals have. Is there a name for this sort of new publications taking advantage of the lower barriers to new publications in the digital world?

 

Anthony

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Hmm. Well, what if this accreditation was conferred on journals themselves and not publishers? This might make more sense anyway since there’s variation from journal-to-journal within publishing houses. For instance:

1.       Does this journal have an editorial board appropriate for its subject matter?

2.       Has the membership of this editorial board been verified (do these people actually exist and know they’re on this board)?

3.       Has this board signed a statement explaining their responsibilities as members of the board?

4.       Etc.

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[Rick Anderson]

For the record, Beall did not say that using email to solicit contributions per se is scammy or predatory. One of the criteria he watched for when deciding whether to include a publisher on his list was if it “engages in excessive use of spam email to solicit manuscripts or editorial board memberships.”

 

See https://web.archive.org/web/20170105195017/https://scholarlyoa.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/criteria-2015.pdf

 

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[Margaret Winker Cook]

Glenn,

Those criteria certainly make sense and can be met by any legitimate journal. However, I do think that a criterion like having a repository for access to published articles in the event that the journal is no longer available (because of loss of funding, most often) is essential to avoid penalizing the authors who publish with such journals, and to avoid undermining the scientific record. As long as the journal submits its content to PubMedCentral this bar is met, but now PubMedCentral requires an XML format that can be challenging to generate without expensive plugins. This group could help such journals by identifying the challenges underfunded journals face, in the hopes that perhaps some funders would take up the cause by creating tools for such journals.

As to what these journals are called, I'm not aware of a generally agreed-upon name. WAME has had a Small Journals Taskforce that addresses the needs of such journals; the name and composition of the task force were not limited to LMICs because some small journals in high income countries also face these challenges.  

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[Angela Cochran]

David: I don't believe I said it was a "significant" problem; only that it's actually happening.  

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[Glenn Hampson]

Hi David, Everyone,

 

Combining a few threads, here’s a small reading list of recent (the last few years anyway) articles that describe in a bit more detail what’s going on in the world of journal fraud:

 

·         http://www.economist.com/news/china/21586845-flawed-system-judging-research-leading-academic-fraud-looks-good-paper

·         https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/05/21/identity-theft-of-the-scholarly-kind

·         https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/for-sale-your-name-here-in-a-prestigious-science-journal/

·         https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/mass-produced-phds-lie-heart-russias-plague-doctoral-fraud

 

As far as coming up with a set of new criteria for judging journals one at a time for purposes of accreditation, how does this list sound Margaret (and others)? I’m sorry for jumping ahead on this---just trying to finish this thought while this thread is still active:

 

1.       Does this journal cover an actual field of research (not pseudo-science, not fabricated science, etc.)?

2.       Does this journal have an editorial board appropriate for its subject matter?

3.       Has the membership of this editorial board been verified (do these people actually exist and know they’re on this board)?

4.       Has this board signed a statement agreeing to their responsibilities as members of the board (and have a boilerplate statement that all boards need to sign that makes it clear board members have a professional responsibility here and can’t just add their name to a board and call it good)?

5.       Does this journal have a reliable process for archiving (PubMed or some other system; this is a requirement but we can offer a plate of alternatives, as well as tools to help with compliance---e.g., the Word to xml conversion is free but not simple---not rocket science either).

6.       Does the journal have truthful advertising (as far as the accrediting body can tell---no deliberate falsehoods on its website or in email approaches about impact factors, DOAJ listings, etc.)?

7.       Has the journal satisfactorily addressed valid complaints (if any) sent by or received through the accrediting body?

 

As far as making this happen is concerned:

1.       Some of this work can be automated and some will require a small fleet of caseworkers and/or volunteers (if volunteers, then maybe set up a system where the University of x’s exobiology department is in charge of accrediting exobiology journals for the time period x to y?).

2.       In order to prevent a paperwork logjam for major publishers, this group might consider granting automatic accreditation for all journals from established reputable publishers until there’s reason to consider otherwise or until the next accreditation period comes up.

3.       Accreditation can be for a multi-year time period with spot checks, random audits, and occasional renewals to help keep the system honest.

 

Again, just thinking out loud on this, FWIW.

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

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David: I don't believe I said it was a "significant" problem; only that it's actually happening.  

 

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[Hillary Corbett]

Hi, all -- 

I've been following the discussions on this list for a while now but thought this would be a good time to chime in.

What Rick describes below is a process that happens most frequently in developing countries, where junior academics need the prestige of publishing internationally in an English-language journal in order to advance in their careers, but their English skills are just not up to the standards of most legitimate journals (OA or otherwise). They are extremely susceptible to invitations to publish in illegitimate journals that have no real peer review or editing performed, as well as open to publishing for a fee in journals that they know full well are shams, as Rick says. (Some seemingly submit their articles to anything that looks scholarly - institutional repository managers will tell you that international scholars sometimes attempt to submit their articles for "publication" in another university's IR.) There was an article in the New York Times recently about bogus conferences (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/29/upshot/fake-academe-looking-much-like-the-real-thing.html) that focused rather oddly on Americans who succumb to this practice of CV-padding without much mention of the international community of scholars that are likely the real targets. This is not to say that this sort of thing doesn't happen in the U.S., but I think it is much harder to get away with.

As to Anthony's question below, is it too flip to say "open access"? As a member of the OJS community, I've met editors from around the world, many from Southeast Asia and the Indian subcontinent, who are running journals out of their apartments because they don't have dedicated office space at their universities; that they are able to do this successfully is a direct result of the open access movement, I think. I don't know what the new figure is since DOAJ rejiggered its inclusion criteria, but it used to be often cited that 70% of journals in DOAJ charged nothing for publication - the availability of low-barrier journal publishing software and a small amount of indirect institutional support is often all that's needed to reach that threshold.

I'll close by respectfully opining that, as a semi-outside observer, it seems that OSI has quite a bit on its plate already without taking on the task of creating and maintaining an alternative to Beall's list. I like the idea of a neutral group doing this, in the manner of DOAJ serving as a whitelist - is there anyone from SHERPA/RoMEO in this group? That might be a place where such a list could exist.

Cheers,

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On Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 1:46:47 PM UTC-5, Rick Anderson wrote:

I think it’s important to remember that the business model of a predatory journal don’t necessarily rely on deceiving potential authors (though some of them surely do). These journals also help unscrupulous authors deceive their colleagues, potential employers, etc., by providing what amounts to a “diploma mill” for articles. You pay for publication in a journal with a scholarly- or scientific-sounding name (despite knowing full well that it’s a sham journal), your article is published, and you get a publication entry you can add to your CV that looks just like a legitimate publication in that context. For authors working in systems that place a high premium on sheer number of peer-reviewed publications with high IFs, the temptation to make use of a service like this can be very great.

 

 

[Joyce Ogburn]

If I could step back a bit and ask the question, what infrastructural services should be provided and invested in, what would I say about managing a list of this type? What would you all say if we approached the question this way? Should we facilitate the emergence or recreation of these types of services or manage them directly? 

Joyce 

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[Glenn Hampson]

Hi Joyce,

 

In my opinion anyway, we should definitely “just” facilitate at this point. We don’t have the budget or internal structure/expertise to develop anything like this directly. This said, I hope that for this and other ideas that come up over the coming years we don’t just ask “what if?” and then let it drop. When we know that something is needed, and when as a group we can do a pretty darn good job of roughing out the solutions and connecting people who can help make things happen, then I think this group is in an ideal situation to breathe life into this and other undertakings. If we can become adept at incubating these solutions and not trying to think in terms of reinventing the wheel at every turn, we’ll be able to do more in less time and at the same time involve the global stakeholder community in making change happen.

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

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[Susan]

Hi All,

 

INASP and African Journals OnLine (AJOL) have been compiling a comprehensive and LMIC-appropriate framework of Journal Publishing Practices & Standards (JPP&S), and an associated assessment procedure, that is in line those of the DOAJ, but covers subscription-based and embargo publishing models as well as OA. In this framework, the top tier of 3 star journals will be independently verified as attaining internationally accepted standards of good quality publishing.

 

The majority of journals publishing from Africa, and probably from most developing country regions, do not work with a professional publisher, but are self-publishing Society or “Scholar Journals”, run by an Editorial Board, implementing peer-review and all the other tasks of a publisher in-house. Once independently assessed and verified by the rigorous process that has been developed as part of the JPP&S Framework, the practices and standards that each journal is already attaining will be shared on the Journal OnLine aggregator platforms, (as well as a report with a trajectory of improvements needed sent to each individual journal). The JPP&S framework is also intended as an educational tool for faculty in developing country institutions working together on these self-published journals about what standards and practices are expected.

 

The Framework is currently being trialled by INASP on its Sri Lanka JOL, BanglaJOL and NepJOL partner journal platforms, and the JPP&S criteria and assessment documents will be ready to share by the OSI 2017 conference in April.

 

Individual enquiries may be addressed to Sioux Cumming, INASP Programme Manager, Journals Online at scum...@inasp.info, or to me.

 

Kind regards,

Susan

 

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Glenn,

Those criteria certainly make sense and can be met by any legitimate journal. However, I do think that a criterion like having a repository for access to published articles in the event that the journal is no longer available (because of loss of funding, most often) is essential to avoid penalizing the authors who publish with such journals, and to avoid undermining the scientific record. As long as the journal submits its content to PubMedCentral this bar is met, but now PubMedCentral requires an XML format that can be challenging to generate without expensive plugins. This group could help such journals by identifying the challenges underfunded journals face, in the hopes that perhaps some funders would take up the cause by creating tools for such journals.

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[David Wojick]

Yes it is happening, but it may be on a relatively small scale. That is why I recommend what I call the Worst First heuristic. Instead of trying to whitelist or certify the constantly changing 40 or 50 thousand journals in the world, just try to identify and document the few dozen worst players, as a deterrent to others. A very doable effort.

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[Wagner, Caroline S.]

Dear Friends,

In case you have not seen, the American Journal Experts put out a report on the the 2016 Scholarly Publishing Process. It looks useful.

Caroline Wagner

 

State of Authorship Report: Time and Costs Involved in Publishing Research: https://www.researchgate.net/institution/American_Journal_Experts/post/57c587c048954c70002a9e21_Collaboration_in_Science_Annual_Report2?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=rgShare&utm_campaign=shareInstitutionPost

 

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[Glenn Hampson]

Thanks Susan,

 

After the listserv dust settled last night, I thought that maybe a better approach to this whole accreditation idea (if it’s even worth pursuing---and not necessarily in place of a whitelist or blacklist) would be to ask scholarly societies to be responsible for accrediting the journals in their fields based on a best practices template (maybe developed with the help of OSI but also endorsed by UNESCO and leading institutions from every stakeholder group)---a template that has minimum standards but is customizable. And that these accreditation bodies would themselves be networked and accredited so they follow common procedures and have access to a common set of resources. It sounds like this is the approach you’re already taking, starting with the hardest group first (the journals that aren’t affiliated with publishers) and I think we all look forward to hearing more about this at the meeting (maybe through the standards workgroup?; or please feel free to circulate reading materials in advance). If the OSI group chooses to do something along these lines, then maybe what you’ve started can be built upon and expanded (if you’re willing)?

 

Best regards,

 

Glenn

 

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[Glenn Hampson]

Hi David,

 

Can you describe in more detail how this naming and shaming campaign would work? I like the deterrent and PR potential for something like this, but talk about liability! A targeted campaign to put OMICS & Co. out of business would be like throwing a lit stick of dynamite into this conversation. Maybe if UNESCO was willing to take the lead on this---research, printing, promotion, etc., as a public service campaign for the global scholarly community, particularly the LMIC communities that are most vulnerable.  I’m copying Bhanu here in case he’s interested.

 

On the other hand, a blacklist that---as Rick has noted---is objective, transparent, accountable, appealable, etc., is not a libelous instrument (at least not in any US court of law). Circulating a list of a few hundred or few thousand such publishers/journals (if there are this many, as you have noted) that have been identified through such an evaluation and have been judged to be clearly scamming the system might be just as impactful and would certainly appear less targeted---i.e., if it was evident that of all the thousands of publishers/journals fairly evaluated, these 100 were clearly the worst offenders.

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

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[Rick Anderson]

More important than appearing less targeted, I think, would be the fact that a list like the one I’ve described would not in fact _be_ targeted at any particular publisher or set of publishers at all.

 

If you decide ahead of time what the criteria of deceptive publishing are, and then apply those criteria consistently across the board, no one would be able to make a credible argument that you’re targeting any publisher in particular. (That doesn’t mean no one will try to make such an argument, or even that no one will sue, but you’ll be on a much firmer footing than Beall was, given the lack of transparency in his processes and his aggressive and public antagonism towards OA.)

 

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From: <osi20...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org>
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Cc: "'Neupane, Bhanu'" <b.ne...@unesco.org>
Subject: blacklist vs. hit list

 

Hi David,

 

Can you describe in more detail how this naming and shaming campaign would work? I like the deterrent and PR potential for something like this, but talk about liability! A targeted campaign to put OMICS & Co. out of business would be like throwing a lit stick of dynamite into this conversation. Maybe if UNESCO was willing to take the lead on this---research, printing, promotion, etc., as a public service campaign for the global scholarly community, particularly the LMIC communities that are most vulnerable.  I’m copying Bhanu here in case he’s interested.

 

On the other hand, a blacklist that---as Rick has noted---is objective, transparent, accountable, appealable, etc., is not a libelous instrument (at least not in any US court of law). Circulating a list of a few hundred or few thousand such publishers/journals (if there are this many, as you have noted) that have been identified through such an evaluation and have been judged to be clearly scamming the system might be just as impactful and would certainly appear less targeted---i.e., if it was evident that of all the thousands of publishers/journals fairly evaluated, these 100 were clearly the worst offenders.

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

Glenn Hampson

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[Catherine Wojewodzki]

This has been an interesting conversation. While the idea of white lists, blacklists, and accreditation, or any list at all to replace Beall's list has enormous appeal for making our lives simpler, I think this is a good time to reconsider how we guide our faculty and students.  I like the idea of a best practices template and I currently recommend the ThinkCheckSubmit tool when it is appropriate.  Learning the literature of a discipline is part of becoming a scholar in that field.  Therefore, I would like us to consider a tool to help librarians guide the journal evaluation and decision making process, much as we now do with fair use checklists.  Such a process acknowledges 

1. that circumstances may be the best determinant of what is best for an author and 
2. the more knowledge about journals under consideration for one's publication, the better.

Cathy Wojewodzki

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[Susan Fitzpatrick]

Fascinating.  Times really have changed.    When I was a PhD student in the Biochemistry Dept of Cornell U Medical College – mentoring students to acquire an understanding where and when to publish something was a role faculty took quite seriously.   In fact, now that I think about it – the philosophy of the purposes of publication was taken quite seriously.    Sorry to always ride my academic/social norms hobby horse.    But sometimes I feel that we get can get wrapped up in “process” and lose sight of purpose.   

 

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[Danny Kingsley]

This was a question I directly asked my subjects during my PhD - the question of how people learnt about the publication and reward process and also what they were doing to make sure their own students were up on things.

The answers ranged from ‘there’s a specific course for this’ to ‘it’s not my job to do this’ to ‘It is easier if I just write the papers’.

My conclusion was the Master/Apprentice system is broken, supervisors do show their students how to research a particular subject, but there is no guarantee that they are teaching them about the broader research landscape. In addition, often supervisors are not necessarily in the best position to be doing this. As we have discussed before, the research community is often very ignorant of the bigger picture (they may have good understanding of pockets of it). 

I am constantly shocked by the questions we receive about peer review from people who should know.

Danny

On 25 Jan 2017, at 17:04, Susan Fitzpatrick <su...@jsmf.org> wrote:

Fascinating.  Times really have changed.    When I was a PhD student in the Biochemistry Dept of Cornell U Medical College – mentoring students to acquire an understanding where and when to publish something was a role faculty took quite seriously.   In fact, now that I think about it – the philosophy of the purposes of publication was taken quite seriously.    Sorry to always ride my academic/social norms hobby horse.    But sometimes I feel that we get can get wrapped up in “process” and lose sight of purpose.   

 

Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.

President, James S. McDonnell Foundation 

Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor

SMF blog  www.scientificphilanthropy.com   

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From: osi20...@googlegroups.com [mailto:osi20...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Catherine Wojewodzki
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 10:43 AM
To: Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org>
Cc: osi2016-25-googlegroups.com <osi20...@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: industry accreditation?

 

This has been an interesting conversation. While the idea of white lists, blacklists, and accreditation, or any list at all to replace Beall's list has enormous appeal for making our lives simpler, I think this is a good time to reconsider how we guide our faculty and students.  I like the idea of a best practices template and I currently recommend the ThinkCheckSubmit tool when it is appropriate.  Learning the literature of a discipline is part of becoming a scholar in that field.  Therefore, I would like us to consider a tool to help librarians guide the journal evaluation and decision making process, much as we now do with fair use checklists.  Such a process acknowledges 

1. that circumstances may be the best determinant of what is best for an author and 
2. the more knowledge about journals under consideration for one's publication, the better.

Cathy Wojewodzki

Librarian & Scholarly Communication Officer

University of Delaware Library

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On Wed, Jan 25, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Thanks Susan,

 

After the listserv dust settled last night, I thought that maybe a better approach to this whole accreditation idea (if it’s even worth pursuing---and not necessarily in place of a whitelist or blacklist) would be to ask scholarly societies to be responsible for accrediting the journals in their fields based on a best practices template (maybe developed with the help of OSI but also endorsed by UNESCO and leading institutions from every stakeholder group)---a template that has minimum standards but is customizable. And that these accreditation bodies would themselves be networked and accredited so they follow common procedures and have access to a common set of resources. It sounds like this is the approach you’re already taking, starting with the hardest group first (the journals that aren’t affiliated with publishers) and I think we all look forward to hearing more about this at the meeting (maybe through the standards workgroup?; or please feel free to circulate reading materials in advance). If the OSI group chooses to do something along these lines, then maybe what you’ve started can be built upon and expanded (if you’re willing)?

 

Best regards,

 

Glenn

 

Glenn Hampson

Executive Director

National Science Communication Institute (nSCI)

Program Director
Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI)

 

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On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.orghas a useful tool for authors.  

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[Glenn Hampson]

Your point, Danny, is affirmed by the paper that Caroline just circulated here (thanks for the heads-up Caroline). Although it looks helpful at first glance---the advertised title is “State of Authorship Report: Time and Costs Involved in Publishing Research”---the actual subtitle is “Maximizing Impact with the Time and Money You Spend.” I’m not sure how to feel about it---kind of queezy maybe. The focus here seems to be on making sure that you understand how important citations are and to pick the best journal based on keywords and not reputation---all geared toward maximizing the exposure of your work because exposure adds tenure and career advancement points. This advice isn’t wrong---it just doesn’t fit the romantic notion that researchers are working for the advancement of knowledge and betterment of humankind. Somewhere along the way the incentives of publishing have corrupted the purpose.

 

Glenn Hampson

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Program Director
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[Rick Anderson]

> This advice isn’t wrong---it just doesn’t fit the romantic notion
> that researchers are working for the advancement of knowledge
> and betterment of humankind. Somewhere along the way the
> incentives of publishing have corrupted the purpose.

Why do we need to believe that scholarly communication has only one purpose? It seems to me that most academics are genuinely interested both in advancing knowledge/bettering mankind AND in securing their own professional futures. Those aren’t mutually-exclusive goals, and I’m not even sure they have to be in very much tension with each other.

[Susan Fitzpatrick]

I certainly did not intend to create an artificial divide -- in fact if you review my email I said "purposes" -- the mentoring that I received was quite holistic -- publication was important to the advancement of cumulative human knowledge and it was important to your professional and personal advancement. My point was that your philosophical development as a researcher and a scholar (a member of the academy so to speak) together with your professional development was taken seriously - and was seen as a serious responsibility of the faculty. It was nothing that could be "outsourced" - and balancing the competing romantic and pragmatic aspects of being an academic were deeply considered. Sometimes this group reminds me of holidays with my Irish-American family. Every topic deserves a good argument! (kidding...)

Susan M. Fitzpatrick, Ph.D.
President, James S. McDonnell Foundation
Visit JSMF forum on academic issues: www.jsmf.org/clothing-the-emperor
SMF blog www.scientificphilanthropy.com

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[Glenn Hampson]

Agreed Rick. I should have said "it just doesn’t fit the romantic notion that researchers are working ONLY for the advancement of knowledge and betterment of humankind." I have many friends (my wife included) who have eschewed private sector paychecks so they can work at universities and research institutions. But career advancement is still important.

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[Rick Anderson]

Just to be clear, my message below was in response to Glenn, not to Susan.

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[Margaret Winker Cook]

Hi Glenn and all,

Several emails ago...your suggestion to use INASP's AJOL list and presumably others that are available to develop core minimum standards in addition to best practices sounds like an excellent approach to me. I think it would be very helpful to journal editors, particularly if supplemented with information about resources journals can use to achieve those standards. 

Regarding whitelists, India's University Grant Commission has released a whitelist for recruitment and academic standing:  https://journosdiary.com/2017/01/16/india-ugc-predatory-journals/ . Unfortunately, they do not provide their whitelist criteria but a review of the list suggests that it relies on indexing services, which as we've discussed underrepresent the global south. The list also doesn't address medical journals since medical schools are not covered by the organization, hence the Medical Council of India's criteria excluding online-only journals continue. 

Another problem that has not been raised yet (like we don't have enough to address already) relevant to the question of the veracity of the scientific record is the issue of identifying data fabrication and falsification, even more relevant in the face of alleged massive fraud (e.g., 80% of Chinese clinical trials are reportedly fabricated: http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinical-trial-is-fabricated ). Tools to help editors and peer reviewers detect fraud would be extremely helpful. Is anyone familiar with this project: http://www.chronicle.com/article/The-Fine-Art-of-Sniffing-Out/238907 ?

Margaret

Margaret Winker, MD

Secretary and Past President, World Association of Medical Editors (WAME)

Former Deputy Web Editor, JAMA, and former Senior Research Editor, PLOS Medicine 

-Views are my own and do not necessarily represent those of WAME.-

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[Glenn Hampson]

Susan's apology is more articulate though, so can she stay in the argument? :)

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Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 9:59 AM
To: Susan Fitzpatrick; 'osi2016-25-googlegroups.com'
Subject: Re: industry accreditation?

[David Wojick]

Glenn, I was merely pointing out a feasible approach to what you all seem to want to do, which is policing the journal industry. My interest is in promoting scientific communication so I have little to add, in fact we are at cross purposes. As I have said repeatedly, I think a lot of legitimate LMIC journals and authors are being defamed. Nothing in the discussion so far suggests that this will change. The criteria for blacklisting continue to be those of high priced rich country journals.

However, I do not think that naming 1000 publishers somehow protects one from libel, as compared to naming just 100. On the contrary the chances of getting sued are much higher, the more people you name.

David
http://insidepublicaccess.com/

At 12:30 PM 1/25/2017, Glenn Hampson wrote:

Hi David,
 
Can you describe in more detail how this naming and shaming campaign would work? I like the deterrent and PR potential for something like this, but talk about liability! A targeted campaign to put OMICS & Co. out of business would be like throwing a lit stick of dynamite into this conversation. Maybe if UNESCO was willing to take the lead on this---research, printing, promotion, etc., as a public service campaign for the global scholarly community, particularly the LMIC communities that are most vulnerable.  I’m copying Bhanu here in case he’s interested.

David

http://insidepublicaccess.com/

Danny, I am really not interested in re-litigating what Elsevier did in 2009. The point is that authors in countries outside the US and Europe, who are under even more pressure to publish in journals, are being scammed by fly-by-night operations and larger operations that are purposefully misrepresenting themselves. They are getting spam emails every dang day about new journals. All that noise is shaping opinions about open access journals, online only journals, and new innovative models in general. If you want to tell them not to bother publishing in Elsevier, Springer, and IEEE and lump that all in with OMICS, that's really not fair. Â

Angela Cochran

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Danny Kingsley <da...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

In response to Angela's comment "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." it might be worth noting that all is not shiny and clean on the non-OA side of the ledger. What exactly are we describing as predatory behaviour?

1. Publishing fake journals that are paid for by a commerical interest and dressed up to look like 'real' journals?

"Elsevier published 6 fake journals" - http://www.the-scientist.com/? articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/

2. Using 'peer review rings' to give the impression of a robust peer review process?

" 17 retractions from SAGE journals bring total fake peer review count to 250 " http://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/19/17-retractions-from-sage-journals-bring-total-fake-peer-review-count-to-250/

3. Or not doing any peer review at all, just waving articles through?

"How Gobbledygook Ended Up in Respected Scientific Journals" (Springer and IEEE) http://www.slate.com/blogs/ future_tense/2014/02/27/how_nonsense_papers_ended_up_in_respected_scientific_journals.html

The Bohannon sting only sent the articles to open access journals, it did not send any to subscription journals. That in itself is not a particularly robust study.

I'm not defending Beall's list nor predatory publishers, I am simply pointing out that there are problems in the system everywhere.

Danny

On 24/01/2017 11:56, Angela Cochran wrote:

When I give a talk on guidelines for choosing the right journal, I start with "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." When I talk to people all over the world, they sight predatory journals as the reason to not only avoid OA journals but also online only journals. This is why publishers are doing well with Hybrid OA. I can also tell you that libraries all over the place were linking to Beall's list to provide guidance for students and faculty. Journals pop up all the time and I don't know how a white list will stay current.Â

We need to continue to push Think.Check.Submit with the caveat that many of the fraudulent journals and conferences are having a fairly easy time if faking all the markers.Â

Angela Cochran

Associate Publisher, ASCE

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On Jan 24, 2017, at 5:34 AM, <Bev.A...@f1000.com> <Bev.A...@f1000.com> wrote:

Thanks for the feedback Kim (and Margaret) - Speaking as one of the original founders of Think.Check.Submit (along with Lars) - if people can think of anything else we could be adding to the resource to make it even more useful, we'd be very happy to hear ideas from you. 

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Sent: 23 January 2017 23:16

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Cc: osi2016-25-googlegroups.com

Subject: RE: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly iss a useful resource.

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Distinguished Professor of Medicine, UC San Diego

Editor-in-Chief, The Journal of Physiology

Ph: 858 534 2796

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Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 3:03 PM

To: Glenn Hampson < gham...@nationalscience.org>

Cc: osi2016-25-googlegroups.com < osi20...@googlegroups.com>

Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

Â

Hi Glenn and all,

Â

This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/ principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice  ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit.Â

Â

The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

Â

Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/ 2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ).Â

Â

Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html  ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway.Â

Â

Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals.Â

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Secretary and Past President, World Association of Medical Editors (WAME)

Former Deputy Web Editor, JAMA, and former Senior Research Editor, PLOS MedicineÂ

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Glenn Hampson < gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

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As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s„¢s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Ca Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few mo months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beallâ€â„„¢s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what weâ€Ã¢â‚¬™ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

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I’m not sure if this projeoject would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if thereere’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new proproject. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olsonââ’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related proojects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources developmentââ¢â‚¬ or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

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[David Wojick]

Regulatory design has been a field of mine for decades ( http://davidwojick.blogspot.com/2014/03/engineer-tackles-regulatory-confusion.html ).

I do not believe that the criteria you propose to implement actually exist. That is, something so objective and damaging  that it is not arguable. But in any case, the more people you target the greater the chances of making mistakes, just as Beall and his crew have done. If you pick a small number of really bad cases (assuming such exist) then you can do the exhaustive research and documentation needed to make your case.

David
http://insidepublicaccess.com/

At 12:38 PM 1/25/2017, Rick Anderson wrote:

More important than appearing less targeted, I think, would be the fact that a list like the one I’ve described would not in fact _be_ targeted at any particular publisher or set of publishers at all.
 
If you decide ahead of time what the criteria of deceptive publishing are, and then apply those criteria consistently across the board, no one would be able to make a credible argument that you’re targeting any publisher in particular. (That doesn’t mean no one will try to make such an argument, or even that no one will sue, but you’ll be on a much firmer footing than Beall was, given the lack of transparency in his processes and his aggressive and public antagonism towards OA.)

 
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From: <osi20...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org>
Organization: National Science Communication Institute
Date: Wednesday, January 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM
To: "osi20...@googlegroups.com" <osi20...@googlegroups.com>
Cc: "'Neupane, Bhanu'" <b.ne...@unesco.org>
Subject: blacklist vs. hit list
 

Hi David,

 

Can you describe in more detail how this naming and shaming campaign would work? I like the deterrent and PR potential for something like this, but talk about liability! A targeted campaign to put OMICS & Co. out of business would be like throwing a lit stick of dynamite into this conversation. Maybe if UNESCO was willing to take the lead on this---research, printing, promotion, etc., as a public service campaign for the global scholarly community, particularly the LMIC communities that are most vulnerable.  I’m copying Bhanu here in case he’s interested.

 

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

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Program Director

Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI)

 

 

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David

Inside Public Access

David

http://insidepublicaccess.com/

Danny, I am really not interested in re-litigating what Elsevier did in 2009. The point is that authors in countries outside the US and Europe, who are under even more pressure to publish in journals, are being scammed by fly-by-night operations and larger operations that are purposefully misrepresenting themselves. They are getting spam emails every dang day about new journals. All that noise is shaping opinions about open access journals, online only journals, and new innovative models in general. If you want to tell them not to bother publishing in Elsevier, Springer, and IEEE and lump that all in with OMICS, that's really not fair. Â

Angela Cochran

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 9:59 AM, Danny Kingsley <da...@cam.ac.uk> wrote:

In response to Angela's comment "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." it might be worth noting that all is not shiny and clean on the non-OA side of the ledger. What exactly are we describing as predatory behaviour?

1. Publishing fake journals that are paid for by a commerical interest and dressed up to look like 'real' journals?

"Elsevier published 6 fake journals" - http://www.the-scientist.com/? articles.view/articleNo/27383/title/Elsevier-published-6-fake-journals/

2. Using 'peer review rings' to give the impression of a robust peer review process?

" 17 retractions from SAGE journals bring total fake peer review count to 250 " http://retractionwatch.com/2015/08/19/17-retractions-from-sage-journals-bring-total-fake-peer-review-count-to-250/

3. Or not doing any peer review at all, just waving articles through?

"How Gobbledygook Ended Up in Respected Scientific Journals" (Springer and IEEE) http://www.slate.com/blogs/ future_tense/2014/02/27/how_nonsense_papers_ended_up_in_respected_scientific_journals.html

The Bohannon sting only sent the articles to open access journals, it did not send any to subscription journals. That in itself is not a particularly robust study.

I'm not defending Beall's list nor predatory publishers, I am simply pointing out that there are problems in the system everywhere.

Danny

On 24/01/2017 11:56, Angela Cochran wrote:

When I give a talk on guidelines for choosing the right journal, I start with "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." When I talk to people all over the world, they sight predatory journals as the reason to not only avoid OA journals but also online only journals. This is why publishers are doing well with Hybrid OA. I can also tell you that libraries all over the place were linking to Beall's list to provide guidance for students and faculty. Journals pop up all the time and I don't know how a white list will stay current.Â

We need to continue to push Think.Check.Submit with the caveat that many of the fraudulent journals and conferences are having a fairly easy time if faking all the markers.Â

Angela Cochran

Associate Publisher, ASCE

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On Jan 24, 2017, at 5:34 AM, <Bev.A...@f1000.com> <Bev.A...@f1000.com> wrote:

Thanks for the feedback Kim (and Margaret) - Speaking as one of the original founders of Think.Check.Submit (along with Lars) - if people can think of anything else we could be adding to the resource to make it even more useful, we'd be very happy to hear ideas from you. 

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Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly is a useful resouurce.

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Kim E. Barrett, Ph.D.

Distinguished Professor of Medicine, UC San Diego

Editor-in-Chief, The Journal of Physiology

Ph: 858 534 2796

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Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

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Hi Glenn and all,

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This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/ principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice  ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit.Â

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The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

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Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/ 2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/ pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ).Â

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Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/ dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html  ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway.Â

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Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals.Â

Â

On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.org has a useful tool for authors. Â

Â

Best wishes,

Â

Margaret

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Margaret Winker, MD

Secretary and Past President, World Association of Medical Editors (WAME)

Former Deputy Web Editor, JAMA, and former Senior Research Editor, PLOS MedicineÂ

-Views are my own and do not necessarily represent those of WAME.-

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Glenn Hampson < gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Hi Folks,

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As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all knownow by now, it’s gone, and Cabellâ€â„€™s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and nd where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work,rk, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on thithis list about micro and low-cost publishers.

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How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested ed in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, Iââ’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If thereÃ’s enough interest in this, , we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s es effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is s what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forwarward).

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Thoughts?

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Glenn

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Executive Director

National Science Communication Institute (nSCI)

Program Director

Open Scholarship Initiative (OSI)

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[Glenn Hampson]

To the contrary David, your concerns are spot on and dovetail precisely with this larger theme:

1.       Let’s forget about Beall’s list and consider coming up with something new that does a more open, transparent and accountable job of shining a spotlight on the bad actors in this system. (And I say this with respect for the heavy lifting that Jeffrey has done over the years to bring this issue to the fore. This would just be the next iteration of what he started.)

2.       Let’s clearly define what a “bad actor” is in a way that doesn’t discriminate against legitimate LMIC journals and authors or against new publishers, OA publishers, or any other group on the basis of anything other than their meeting a mutually-agreed upon set of standards.

3.       Let’s gradually figure out what to do next---whitelist, blacklist, hit list, accreditation, or whatever. We’re not going to decide all of this today, but it does help to air ideas and concerns to give our workgroups a running start. Your hit list approach is really fascinating, but it would probably need to be carried out by a government or IGO in order to have the appropriate gravitas---not that this couldn’t happen. The blacklist approach is simply a “best value” shopping list. And the whitelist approach is probably the gold standard but would take a long time to create. An accreditation regime would also probably take a few years to get off the ground. So we’re probably looking at short-term and long-term projects here if we’re interested in everything---something to fill the gap soon (like the info literacy project Catherine is suggesting), followed asap by a first-cut blacklist of the worst of the worst (that gets heavy promotion in universities), followed asap by accreditation and whitelist projects….all with a budget of $0, of course J

[Neil Jacobs]

Just for information, this initiative is proposing to do something very close to what Joyce suggests:

http://sparceurope.org/news_sustainingoaservicesoct2016/

It already has active engagement from stakeholders in the US, Europe, Australasia and elsewhere.

best wishes

Neil

 

 

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[Rick Anderson]

> I do not believe that the criteria you propose to implement
> actually exist. That is, something so objective and damaging 
> that it is not arguable.

Here are a few suggestions to start us out. Deceptive publishing practices include:

* Claiming that you have an Impact Factor when you don’t
* Claiming that you have a higher IF than you do
* Adding people to your editorial board without their permission
* Refusing to remove people from your editorial board when they object
* Claiming falsely to provide peer review
* Claiming falsely to be selective (but in fact publishing anything that comes with an APC)
* Failing to disclose your APC up front
* Claiming that your journal is affiliated with a society when it isn’t
* Claiming that your journal is indexed in [X] when it isn’t
* Taking previously published content from other journals and presenting it as new and original
* Publishing only research results that favor the interests of some group or organization

All of these are examples of objectively dishonest practices. Applying criteria like these wouldn’t involve “targeting” anyone from any region.

[Angela Cochran]

Coincidentally, we just received an email from an author with a fake acceptance letter attached--again. I wrote about the first incident in this piece Glenn sent around earlier this week (https://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/05/21/identity-theft-of-the-scholarly-kind/) and now it has happened again. 

Fraud of all kinds has infiltrated the system. 

Angela

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[Glenn Hampson]

Thanks Neil---looks like an interesting an ambitious plan. It would certainly be worth touching base with the group that put this report together to see they’re interested in joining OSI. I’ll reach out to the report’s authors (from Knowledge Exchange) today. Please let me know off-list if you know of anyone else from this group we should invite.

 

Best,

 

Glenn

 

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[Barrett, Kim]

I have encountered this republication issue too.  These journals have no incentive to check whether the content is original.

 

Kim E. Barrett, Ph.D.

Distinguished Professor of Medicine, UC San Diego

Editor-in-Chief, The Journal of Physiology

Ph: 858 534 2796

 

From: osi20...@googlegroups.com [mailto:osi20...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Angela Cochran
Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 10:56 AM
To: Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu>
Cc: Rebecca Kennison <rrken...@knconsultants.org>; David Wojick <dwo...@craigellachie.us>; osi20...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

The other thing happening is that papers published in established journals are being copied verbatim with just the author names changed and republished in problematic journals. Whether the journal does this to appear to have content or there are authors scamming the system, I do not know yet. I have multiple cases under review. 

 

Angela 

 

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu> wrote:

I think it’s important to remember that the business model of a predatory journal don’t necessarily rely on deceiving potential authors (though some of them surely do). These journals also help unscrupulous authors deceive their colleagues, potential employers, etc., by providing what amounts to a “diploma mill” for articles. You pay for publication in a journal with a scholarly- or scientific-sounding name (despite knowing full well that it’s a sham journal), your article is published, and you get a publication entry you can add to your CV that looks just like a legitimate publication in that context. For authors working in systems that place a high premium on sheer number of peer-reviewed publications with high IFs, the temptation to make use of a service like this can be very great.

 

As one example of how this can work: recently I was invited to contribute to something called _Open Access Library Journal_, which is published by Scientific Research: An Academic Publisher. (You can see this journal’s website at http://www.scirp.org/journal/oalibj/). A quick glance at the most recent table of contents makes clear that this journal will publish anything, on any topic whatsoever – in fact, none of the articles seems to have any relationship to libraries at all. I don’t believe for a second that any of those authors were fooled into thinking they were submitting to a legitimate journal. But all of them now have entries on their CVs that look very much like legitimate publications – and would look even more legitimate if the publisher were just a little bit less clumsy in its self-presentation.

 

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From: <osi20...@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Rebecca Kennison <rrken...@knconsultants.org>
Date: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 at 11:32 AM
To: Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu>
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Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

Agreed on problems with the system everywhere -- and also with Annie's point that education is critical.

 

That said, I'm more than a little worried that a system that relies on peer review can be so easily taken in by either fake or even less-than-stellar journals. The very same people who are publishing in these journals are also reviewing for other journals. Surely they can (or should!) be able to tell the quality of the journal from the content, right? If not, then our concern should be much larger than predatory journals; to my mind, the existence (and success) of those journals merely highlights the other (and potentially much more serious) problems with the system itself.

 

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu> wrote:

I think we all agree that Beall’s List was seriously flawed, and that a blacklist is only as good as the legitimacy of its criteria and only as effective as the fairness, transparency, and consistency of its implementation.

 

So let’s create a legitimate set of criteria and manage the list fairly, transparently, and consistently. (Or support such a list if someone else does it.)

 

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Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

First of all, and again, what fraction of the journals on Beall's list actually engage in these specific deceptive practices? I suspect the fraction is quite low. Many of Beall's criteria simply target low cost journals.

 

Second, if those journals that in fact using false advertising still publish large numbers of legitimate articles, how do we provide access and discovery for these articles, when the journals are being blackballed by the indexers, etc., for being blacklisted?

 

There is a huge scientific communication problem here, which I think dwarfs the predation problem. Millions of articles and researchers, mostly from poorer countries, are being adversely affected because their journals are on Beall's lists.

 

David

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On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu> wrote:

I don’t think anyone believes that a deceptive or predatory journal can never publish legitimate science. The problem isn’t that they produce only garbage, and the problem isn’t the size of their APCs; the problem that concerns us is when a journal engages in deceptive practices. When a journal offers peer review or editorial vetting for a price, but then doesn’t provide it; when it lies about the nature or makeup of its editorial board; when it misrepresents an affiliation with a scholarly society; when it lies about its Impact Factor (or about having one at all), and so forth, these are practices that should be called out regardless of whether the submissions it attracts represent legitimate science.

 

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The central question, which no one seems to be asking, is what fraction of the 12,000+ journals on Beall's lists are actually fraudulent? I suspect very few because of the huge number of legitimate articles being published. Everywhere I look I see people assuming that all of these journals are fraudulent (whatever that even means). This is wildly false and very bad for science, because a huge literature is being blackballed in the process.

 

Questionable business practices do not render the published science illegitimate. This is especially true if these practices merely reflect the ultra-low budget of the journal, which appears to be the case in many instances.

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On Jan 24, 2017, at 6:56 AM, Angela Cochran <acochr...@gmail.com> wrote:

When I give a talk on guidelines for choosing the right journal, I start with "not all OA journals are predatory; but most predatory journals are OA." When I talk to people all over the world, they sight predatory journals as the reason to not only avoid OA journals but also online only journals. This is why publishers are doing well with Hybrid OA. I can also tell you that libraries all over the place were linking to Beall's list to provide guidance for students and faculty. Journals pop up all the time and I don't know how a white list will stay current. 

 

We need to continue to push Think.Check.Submit with the caveat that many of the fraudulent journals and conferences are having a fairly easy time if faking all the markers. 

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Thanks for the feedback Kim (and Margaret) - Speaking as one of the original founders of Think.Check.Submit (along with Lars) - if people can think of anything else we could be adding to the resource to make it even more useful, we'd be very happy to hear ideas from you. 

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Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly is a useful resource.

 

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Hi Glenn and all,

 

This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit. 

 

The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

 

Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ). 

 

Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway. 

 

Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals. 

 

On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.org has a useful tool for authors.  

 

Best wishes,

 

Margaret

 

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

 

I’m not sure if this project would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if there’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new project. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olson’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related projects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources development” or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

 

How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, I’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If there’s enough interest in this, we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forward).

 

Thoughts?

 

Glenn

 

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Dear colleagues, i have been following the Beall's list discussions and appreciate all the inputs. Our dilemma is that we were in the process of drafting a Position Statement to be issued to all our Grant Holders with regards to the use of Predatory Journals. we had 30% of the 2017 applications having published in one or more predatory journals etc. Our Panels that assists with the review process are awaiting an answer on how we are going to handle this predatory issue! we have serious challenges in South Africa and i am looking forward to the group possibilities.

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[Kim Barrett]

These are really interesting and important data, and further underscore the prior comments that some scientists are using these journals to pad their CVs inappropriately.

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[Abel L. Packer]

Hi Daisy, et al

In Latin America, the problem of publishing in predatory journals has been minimized and I would say it is not a relevant issue  or  a risk for the advancement and evaluation of research. 

Brazil and most of the LA countries do have public systems that controls, accredit  and rank journals. These systems are maintained by public  research agencies with the support of research communities. The systems vary from country to country and they aim at supporting national research evaluation systems. 

Brazil,  for example, produces most of its research through graduate programs, which are ranked by federal government. A good ranking is essential for the development and sustainability of programs.  They are ranked independently in about 40 disciplines/subject fields. The ranking system covers several dimensions, with special emphasis on publications. For each of the 40 areas there is an advisory committee with senior researchers  which is responsible for the ranking of the journals where researchers publish,  following an well established algorithm: (a) 8 ranks: A1,  A2,  B1... B5, C (weight is zero for C journals); (b) (A1<A2) , (A1+A2<=25% of journals ranked) , (A1+A2+B1<=50%). The entire system identifies over 25 thousand journals which are ranked in about  90 thousand rankings (a journal may be ranking in different evaluation fields). About 32% of the ranked  journals are published in Brazil. In general, the criteria to rank the journals follow their presence and performance in the following multidisciplinary indexes: WoS,  Scopus and SciELO. When a journal is not in one of these indexes each area ranks them usually in ranks B3 to B5 according ad-hoc criteria.  If a journal in any ranking is identified as predatory it is excluded and the author and the Graduate program loose the credits. 

Regarding OA, Latin America is the Region that proportionality publishes more articles in open access. About 90% of nationally published journals present in international indexes are OA.  This is mainly due to the SciELO Program that pioneered OA of collections of nationally published journals, since 1988, i.e, SciELO was launched 4 years before the Budapest Declaration. A critical contribution of SciELO is quality control and followup of journals' performance in several indicators in addition to citations received. 

From my knowledge,  Beall's list never included a Latin American journal. At least from SciELO I am sure no journals or publisher were listed. But, he tried to disqualify SciELO in a polemic and US-centric post that at the end of the day contributed to strengthen SciELO as an important OA program and network and a seal of quality. From this experience, we followed his work with high suspicion. So, we do worry with blacklists - who wil be behind? On the contrary, we do think that whitelists are preferable. Not one, however, but many of them, so, thematic areas, geographic regions, multilingual environments, research priorities, idiosyncrasies, etc. are equally considered. A research published in Portuguese is by nature highly limited in global visibility, but it doesn't mean it is irrelevant or subject to no accreditation.  In fact, Brazil became a top agriculture producer driven by results of mainly applied but also pure research that were predominantly published in Portuguese in journals edited in Brazil. 

So, I would recommend that any initiative towards the development of a blacklist in today's increasingly segregationist developed world, it should be carefully evaluated and be avoided if any serious doubt is raised  about its overall integrity. 

In the case of SciELO, as our whitelists are of national or regional origin,  we have been adopted the indexing in DOAJ as a mandatory criteria for journal remaining in the collection. We hope to have all SciELO Networt journals in DOAJ in the coming two years. 

I know we are in a special situation,  but I thought also that it was important to share my views. Latin America publishes about only  5% of the articles indexed in WoS or Scopus. But, it is equally important as for developed countries. In special, for the research published in local edited quality journals. Our main problems rely on how to lessen the importance of impact factor in journal rankings, how to speed publication, how to make communication more transparent and open, how to balance multilinguism, how to provide state of the art publishing platforms in public domain,... 

Best. Abel 

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[Rick Anderson]

This is fascinating and very helpful information Abel, thanks very much. Can I ask a quick follow-up question, about this statement:

 

> About 90% of nationally published journals present in international

> indexes are OA. 

 

Do all of these journals define OA in the same way? If so, what definition do they use, and how did they all decide on it? (Or is it defined by policy somewhere?)

 

 

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[Abel L. Packer]

Dear Rick. 

We did a giant effort (advocacy, methodology, technology, and formalization of decision-making), in the last three years,  to come to a common policy on the formalization of OA. So, we adopted CC framework as mandatory, exception for one or two journals edited by commercial publishers that do not accept CC but agree to phrase the attribution of access in a compatible way with CC. 

So, journals are free to adopt any of the CC attribution (CC-BY, CC-BY qualified by NC or/and ND). The attribution of article component such as images, questionnaires, etc might have specific attributes which is needed when content come from third parties. 

SciELO strongly recommend the adoption of CC-BY in order to easy the interoperability with commercial and products and services. 

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Very helpful, thanks!

 

It’s perhaps worth noting that under the BOAI definition, any of these journals that allow CC-BY-NC are not actually open access. Trying to arrive at a more-or-less universally-accepted definition of OA is, I think, one of the major challenges facing the scholcomm community right now.

 

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[Keith Webster]

This may be a little off topic as it doesn’t relate to predatory journals - but it is an interesting example of journal rankings in general.

I worked in Australia during the early years of the ARC’s research excellence program.  For the first couple of iterations, there was a ranked journal list which placed all journals in which Australian academics/researchers might publish - and those were ranked A*/A/B/C.  There’s a good summary of the end of the exercise at http://theconversation.com/journal-rankings-ditched-the-experts-respond-1598 and at  http://www.theaustralian.com.au/higher-education/end-of-an-era-journal-rankings-dropped/news-story/923b52a699c02a659bad88c20157fc0d

The lists, with rankings, are no longer presented on the ARC website, but they can be found at http://lamp.infosys.deakin.edu.au/era/?page=jmain

There’s a lot to look at there, but I’d suggest those wishing to browse might start at the table headed ERA 2010 and select the option 2010 comprehensive final list by field of research.

I share this because the listing, although contentious and now somewhat dated, does represent a listing of journal titles with which those in the USA and UK will be familiar.

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[Glenn Hampson]

Thanks Keith---interesting. So, if I’m understanding the info in these links correctly, ERA no longer evaluates journals period (no ranked list or any kind of whitelist/blacklist. Correct? As you noted, it looks like the listing exercise had some unintended consequences such as research teams being encouraged to publish only in A*/A journals.

 

In your experience, was concern over publishing fraud driving the development of this list in the first place (and/or is this issue important now in Australia)? I’m copying Roxanne here in case she has any additional insight into recent feedback/developments.

 

Thanks,

 

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[Keith Webster]

Glenn

I’ll defer to Roxanne on current matters, as I left Australia six years ago.  I’ve also cc’d Danny as she will (quite possibly) have a view.  My thoughts on your questions, though:

a) the listing exercise was intended to give a perspective from the Australian academy of the relative standing of journals.  One of the downsides of a ranking such as the impact factor is that it tends to diminish local journals, especially in the humanities and social sciences, but there may be the absolutely core titles for the local “market”.

b)  I never heard any mention of concerns over publication frauds driving the ranking

c)  There were certainly strong incentive programs put in place in some universities to reward authors based on the tier ranking of the journals in which they published.

d)  As far as I am aware, the ranking of titles was discontinued after ERA 2010.

Keith

On Jan 27, 2017, at 3:42 PM, Glenn Hampson <gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Thanks Keith---interesting. So, if I’m understanding the info in these links correctly, ERA no longer evaluates journals period (no ranked list or any kind of whitelist/blacklist. Correct? As you noted, it looks like the listing exercise had some unintended consequences such as research teams being encouraged to publish only in A*/A journals.

 

In your experience, was concern over publishing fraud driving the development of this list in the first place (and/or is this issue important now in Australia)? I’m copying Roxanne here in case she has any additional insight into recent feedback/developments.

 

Thanks,

 

Glenn

 

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[Danny Kingsley]

Hi all,

Yes there was considerable emphasis in some Australian universities on the publication in only A* journals. The ARC recognised this was a problem and withdrew the lists, although they were used unofficially in many places for some time. It would not surprise me if they are still in use in some way in some places.

They were problematic in other ways too. Some publications require that supplementary material be published alongside the article. The supplementary material would be, under the ranking system, in a low ranking journal (say, C). This meant that when departments were being assessed, they had to weigh up whether to include the A* article which came with a low ranking C article, or to just ignore it. The whole thing was not particularly well thought through.

I had a call recently (in Cambridge) from a researcher who was cross disciplinary and was moving from one discipline to another and wanted to demonstrate to the new discipline that the journals she had published in previously were of a high standing. Researchers generally have little awareness of the quality of journals in fields other than their own, unsurprisingly. So she asked me about a journal ranking list for that field. I said I wasn’t aware of one, but asked around and that was confirmed. This researcher was adamant there had to be a secret list held by the Higher Education Funding Council for England (who run the Research Excellence Framework - which is the assessment of the quality of research that then determines how much institutions receive in their block grant funding). There isn’t. But there are unofficial lists around the place for some disciplines, and generally people ‘know’ the good journals. This is not an impact factor ranking, although there is probably some correlation.

So the issue with the ranking is not fraud or predatory behaviour by a publisher, it is the subsequent undesirable behaviour change amongst researchers and research administration (in attempts to ‘game’ the system) that comes with ranking journals into a list. Some of this is discussed in a paper I wrote a lifetime ago:

Steele, C., Butler, L. and Kingsley, D. “The Publishing Imperative: the pervasive influence of publication metrics” Learned Publishing, October 2006 Vol 19, Issue 4, pp. 277-290. Article - http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/alpsp/lp/2006/00000019/00000004/art00007

Hope this helps,

Danny

[Roxanne Missingham]

Hi Keith and Glen and Colleagues

 

Yes, the Australian Research Council, the major government funder for social science and humanities research and agency conducting national research performance assessment did produce a list which identified “best” journals for their first national evaluation.

 

They moved away from the list in subsequent evaluations.

 

Many academics however still believe there is a list of A or A* journals is used to differentiate “good” journals and that it is used by authorities.  It doesn’t matter how often they are advised it no longer applies, they still believe it is used.

 

The Deans of Business Schools have created a preferred journal list.

 

A preferred journal list was thought by the community generally  to be a very blunt instrument which couldn’t truly reflect quality – analysis of articles themselves was considered to be better – of course citations were the primary means, missed with peer assessment.

 

There is always a challenge in quality assessment from those who want a single simple indicator, and the genuine complexities of evaluation.

 

Regards

Roxanne

[David Wojick]

If the research the scientist publishes is legitimate, then I do not understand what is inappropriate, or how this is padding the CV.

David
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At 12:13 PM 1/27/2017, you wrote:

These are really interesting and important data, and further underscore the prior comments that some scientists are using these journals to pad their CVs inappropriately.

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UC San Diego
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On Jan 27, 2017, at 5:59 AM, Daisy Selematsela < daisy.sel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear colleagues, i have been following the Beall's list discussions and appreciate all the inputs. Our dilemma is that we were in the process of drafting a Position Statement to be issued to all our Grant Holders with regards to the use of Predatory Journals. we had 30% of the 2017 applications having published in one or more predatory journals etc. Our Panels that assists with the review process are awaiting an answer on how we are going to handle this predatory issue! we have serious challenges in South Africa and i am looking forward to the group possibilities.
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On 25 January 2017 at 23:58, Barrett, Kim <kbar...@ucsd.edu> wrote:

I have encountered this republication issue too.  These journals have no incentive to check whether the content is original.

 

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The other thing happening is that papers published in established journals are being copied verbatim with just the author names changed and republished in problematic journals. Whether the journal does this to appear to have content or there are authors scamming the system, I do not know yet. I have multiple cases under review.

 

Angela

 

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu > wrote:

I think it’s important to remember that the business model of a predatory journal don’t necessarily rely on deceiving potential authors (though some of them surely do). These journals also help unscrupulous authors deceive their colleagues, potential employers, etc., by providing what amounts to a “diploma mill†for articles. You pay for publication in a journal with a scholarly- or scientific-sounding name (despite knowing full well that it’s a sham journal), your article is published, and you get a publication entry you can add to your CV that looks just like a legitimate publication in that context. For authors working in systems that place a high premium on sheer number of peer-reviewed publications with high IFs, the temptation to make use of a service like this can be very great.

 

As one example of how this can work: recently I was invited to contribute to something called _Open Access Library Journal_, which is published by Scientific Research: An Academic Publisher. (You can see this journal’s website at http://www.scirp.org/journal/oalibj/). A quick glance at the most recent table of contents makes clear that this journal will publish anything, on any topic whatsoever – in fact, none of the articles seems to have any relationship to libraries at all. I don’t believe for a second that any of those authors were fooled into thinking they were submitting to a legitimate journal. But all of them now have entries on their CVs that look very much like legitimate publications – and would look even more legitimate if thhe publisher were just a little bit less clumsy in its self-presentation.

 

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Agreed on problems with the system everywhere -- and also with Annie's point that education is critical.

That said, I'm more than a little worried that a system that relies on peer review can be so easily taken in by either fake or even less-than-stellar journals. The very same people who are publishing in these journals are also reviewing for other journals. Surely they can (or should!) be able to tell the quality of the journal from the content, right? If not, then our concern should be much larger than predatory journals; to my mind, the existence (and success) of those journals merely highlights the other (and potentially much more serious) problems with the system itself.

On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu > wrote:

I think we all agree that Beall’s List was seriously flawed, and that a blacklist is only as good as the legitimacy of its criteria and only as effective as the fairness, transparency, and consistency of its implementation.

 

So let’s create a legitimate set of criteria and manage the list fairly, transparently, and consistently. (Or support such a list if someone else does it.)

 

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First of all, and again, what fraction of the journals on Beall's list actually engage in these specific deceptive practices? I suspect the fraction is quite low. Many of Beall's criteria simply target low cost journals.

Second, if those journals that in fact using false advertising still publish large numbers of legitimate articles, how do we provide access and discovery for these articles, when the journals are being blackballed by the indexers, etc., for being blacklisted?

There is a huge scientific communication problem here, which I think dwarfs the predation problem. Millions of articles and researchers, mostly from poorer countries, are being adversely affected because their journals are on Beall's lists.

 

David

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On Jan 24, 2017, at 9:37 AM, Rick Anderson <rick.a...@utah.edu > wrote:

I don’t think anyone believes that a deceptive or predatory journal can never publish legitimate science. The problem isn’t that they produce only garbage, and the problem isn’t the size of their APCs; the problem that concerns us is when a journal engages in deceptive practices. When a journal offers peer review or editorial vetting for a price, but then doesn’t provide it; when it lies about the nature or makeup of its editorial board; when it misrepresents an affiliation with a scholarly society; when it lies about its Impact Factor (or about having one at all), and so forth, these are practices that should be called out regardless of whether the submissions it attracts represent legitimate science.

 

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Thanks for the thinkchecksubmit link – that truly is a useful resource.

 

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Hi Glenn and all,

 

This is a very important project and your proposal sounds like a useful approach (assuming you have good liability insurance, although transparent, objective criteria, with a defined process for appeal, should help address any challenges). I would be interested in serving on the workgroup, which dovetailscwith the underserved populations workgroup I'm already a part of (explained below). I've been working on predatory journals definitions and I was part of the group that developed the Transparency Principles (COPE, DOAJ, and OASPA as well as WAME;  http://www.wame.org/about/principles-of-transparency-and-best-practice ) that were intended to help expose predatory journals by setting out positive attributes that journals could adhere to, to avoid being wrongly characterized as predatory. It is very important to come up with an objective definition but also very difficult; many of Beall's criteria were subjective. As objective criteria are listed, predatory journals may change their websites to meet the letter of the definition of a legitimate journal but not the spirit.

The most transparent approaches are also require considerable effort: journals could post the initial submitted manuscript, correspondence, and peer reviews (ideally with reviewer identities) along with the final published manuscript for anyone to view (with the inherent issues--and benefits--regarding open peer review); a certifying organization could require documentation of reviews and correspondence for randomly selected articles, or could ask authors to provide what they received from the journal. DOAJ certainly has more experience than anyone with the laborious process of differentiating good from bad. However, some journals in LMICs have a difficult time meeting DOAJ's requirements because of lack of resources, and they are less likely to appear in major indexes. Developing other criteria would be important for such journals. (Who cares about such journals, the skeptic asks? Such journals are important for LMICs because --among other reasons--they are in a position to publish regional and local approaches to care, to translate information for local clinicians, to improve the quality of country's research and evidence-based medicine, and to help develop a research community through editors, editorial boards, and peer reviewers.)

Another important issue that has come to light recently is that some authors, even some who are relatively senior, may be aware that the journal they're submitting to is not truly peer reviewed (see http://retractionwatch.com/2016/10/27/even-top-economists-publish-in-predatory-journals-study-finds/ ), likely because amassing large number of publications regardless of the journal can help boost some performance metrics. More careful attention by academic institutions to the quality of publications and the process could help. However, collateral damage needs to be avoided: in response to the predatory journals problem, the Medical Council of India declared that all e-journals were not acceptable for academic promotions, harming open access and under-resourced journals without funds for print publication (see https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4782415/ ).

Although some academics may be unaware they're listed as editors or on editorial boards of predatory journals, some academics may be willing accomplices. On a brief search of editors of Beall-listed journals I found one OMICs journal edited by a US professor at a mainstream institution who also spoke at an OMICs conference (another part of the predatory money making scheme; http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/dr-madhukar-pai/predatory-conferences-academia_b_12467834.html ). Presumably at some point the professor discovered that the organization and journal were not high quality, but the rewards of the roles made it worthwhile to him anyway.

Academic institutions have a major role to play: they need to ensure that the publishing and editorial activities of their faculty are conducted with legitimate journals (assuming one can identify them). As a simple start, institutions could find via Google which journals a faculty member's name is affiliated with, and determine whether the listings are correct and the legitimacy of the journals/publishers. Compiling information from faculty experience regarding peer review processes and journal editing could be very valuable in identifying (il)legitimate journals.

On a final note, ThinkCheckSubmit http://thinkchecksubmit.org has a useful tool for authors. 

 

Best wishes,

 

Margaret

 

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On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Glenn Hampson < gham...@nationalscience.org> wrote:

Hi Folks,

 

As you recall, there was some chatter is the scholcomm universe last week about the demise of Beall’s list. And as you all know by now, it’s gone, and Cabell’s may try to create something similar. A few months ago I corresponded with Jeffrey Beall about the possibility of making his list public---about having OSI help create a Beall’s List 2.0 with transparent methodology, and where librarians and other interested volunteers could contribute to its upkeep (maybe through a Yelp type of structure). Now that his list is no more, this approach is moot and we may want to consider starting from scratch to figure out what to the what/why/how of such an undertaking, learning from and building on Jeffrey’s work, and taking into account what we’ve discussed on this list about micro and low-cost publishers.

 

I’m not sure if this project would fit under a current workgroup (like standards or rogue solutions)---if it does, great, but if it doesn’t and if there’s enough interest we can stand this up as a new project. In fact---and I’m stealing Eric Olson’s thunder here (sorry Eric)---there may be other related projects that become apparent between now and the conference. Eric suggested today that it would help to post an index on our website of open-related definitions. And last year, Dee started work on a reference list that might also be helpful for this community. So maybe all of these projects fall under the category of “open resources development†or some such, which could grow to include open publishing resources, open access resources, open ed resources, scicomm resources, fraud lists, and more.

 

How about this?: Let me know if you’d be interested in serving on a workgroup like this as your first choice (and if you’ve already submitted your workgroup choices, I’ll just bump your other choices down one notch). If there’s enough interest in this, we can add this workgroup to OSI2017. If not, maybe the standards team (for now, Adrian H., Dee M., Bryan A., Susan F., David M., Cathy W., Emma W., and Abel P.) can talk over whether this is a good fit for their team. And as a last resort, we can talk about including this workgroup in OSI2018. The Cabell’s effort will take time to unfold---it may be best to wait and see how they approach this before investing time and effort into a duplicate resource. On the other hand, there is some merit to starting from scratch on this---in putting this enterprise on broad, strong footing by ensuring that everyone knows what goes into this process and can make a clear connection between this process and the judgments that are rendered from it (and I’m not sure if this is what Cabell’s has in mind when/if they do go forward).

 

Thoughts?

 

Glenn

 

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Hi Abel,

---one more follow-up question please, when you have time. You mentioned that “Brazil and most of the LA countries do have public systems that controls, accredit  and rank journals. These systems are maintained by public  research agencies with the support of research communities. The systems vary from country to country and they aim at supporting national research evaluation systems.”

Can you elaborate? This system might be relevant to what we were discussing on Wednesday about who should accredit journals. What is the hierarchy in Latin America (what agencies provide oversight, what agencies provide funding, and who does the actual work or ranking)? Your example of Brazil is helpful but I’m just guessing about who funds, aoversees this work and how. Maybe there’s a concise report somewhere on this system that you can share?

Sorry for my ignorance about this----so much to learn J

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Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?

 

Hi Daisy, et al

 

In Latin America, the problem of publishing in predatory journals has been minimized and I would say it is not a relevant issue  or  a risk for the advancement and evaluation of research. 

 

Brazil and most of the LA countries do have public systems that controls, accredit  and rank journals. These systems are maintained by public  research agencies with the support of research communities. The systems vary from country to country and they aim at supporting national research evaluation systems. 

 

Brazil,  for example, produces most of its research through graduate programs, which are ranked by federal government. A good ranking is essential for the development and sustainability of programs.  They are ranked independently in about 40 disciplines/subject fields. The ranking system covers several dimensions, with special emphasis on publications. For each of the 40 areas there is an advisory committee with senior researchers  which is responsible for the ranking of the journals where researchers publish,  following an well established algorithm: (a) 8 ranks: A1,  A2,  B1... B5, C (weight is zero for C journals); (b) (A1<A2) , (A1+A2<=25% of journals ranked) , (A1+A2+B1<=50%). The entire system identifies over 25 thousand journals which are ranked in about  90 thousand rankings (a journal may be ranking in different evaluation fields). About 32% of the ranked  journals are published in Brazil. In general, the criteria to rank the journals follow their presence and performance in the following multidisciplinary indexes: WoS,  Scopus and SciELO. When a journal is not in one of these indexes each area ranks them usually in ranks B3 to B5 according ad-hoc criteria.  If a journal in any ranking is identified as predatory it is excluded and the author and the Graduate program loose the credits. 

 

Regarding OA, Latin America is the Region that proportionality publishes more articles in open access. About 90% of nationally published journals present in international indexes are OA.  This is mainly due to the SciELO Program that pioneered OA of collections of nationally published journals, since 1988, i.e, SciELO was launched 4 years before the Budapest Declaration. A critical contribution of SciELO is quality control and followup of journals' performance in several indicators in addition to citations received. 

 

From my knowledge,  Beall's list never included a Latin American journal. At least from SciELO I am sure no journals or publisher were listed. But, he tried to disqualify SciELO in a polemic and US-centric post that at the end of the day contributed to strengthen SciELO as an important OA program and network and a seal of quality. From this experience, we followed his work with high suspicion. So, we do worry with blacklists - who wil be behind? On the contrary, we do think that whitelists are preferable. Not one, however, but many of them, so, thematic areas, geographic regions, multilingual environments, research priorities, idiosyncrasies, etc. are equally considered. A research published in Portuguese is by nature highly limited in global visibility, but it doesn't mean it is irrelevant or subject to no accreditation.  In fact, Brazil became a top agriculture producer driven by results of mainly applied but also pure research that were predominantly published in Portuguese in journals edited in Brazil. 

 

So, I would recommend that any initiative towards the development of a blacklist in today's increasingly segregationist developed world, it should be carefully evaluated and be avoided if any serious doubt is raised  about its overall integrity. 

 

In the case of SciELO, as our whitelists are of national or regional origin,  we have been adopted the indexing in DOAJ as a mandatory criteria for journal remaining in the collection. We hope to have all SciELO Networt journals in DOAJ in the coming two years. 

 

I know we are in a special situation,  but I thought also that it was important to share my views. Latin America publishes about only  5% of the articles indexed in WoS or Scopus. But, it is equally important as for developed countries. In special, for the research published in local edited quality journals. Our main problems rely on how to lessen the importance of impact factor in journal rankings, how to speed publication, how to make communication more transparent and open, how to balance multilinguism, how to provide state of the art publishing platforms in public domain,... 

 

Best. Abel 

 

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On Jan 27, 2017 10:59 AM, "Daisy Selematsela" <daisy.sel...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear colleagues, i have been following the Beall's list discussions and appreciate all the inputs. Our dilemma is that we were in the process of drafting a Position Statement to be issued to all our Grant Holders with regards to the use of Predatory Journals. we had 30% of the 2017 applications having published in one or more predatory journals etc. Our Panels that assists with the review process are awaiting an answer on how we are going to handle this predatory issue! we have serious challenges in South Africa and i am looking forward to the group possibilities.

kind regards
Daisy   

On 25 January 2017 at 23:58, Barrett, Kim <kbar...@ucsd.edu> wrote:

I have encountered this republication issue too.  These journals have no incentive to check whether the content is original.

 

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[Glenn Hampson]

Hi Abel,

 

Just to clarify, there are six different variants of the CC-BY license, correct? In order from the most to least “free” --- according to the Creative Commons website at https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/public-domain/freeworks/  --- these are CC-BY, CC-BY SA (share-alike), CC-BY-ND (no derivatives), CC-BY-NC (non-commercial), CC-BY-NC-SA, and CC-BY-NC-ND. Are all of these acceptable for SciELO works, or just the first three? And prying just a little more here, what license do most of your authors choose (and why, if you know)?

 

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I think it is wrong to use Beall's list in this way.

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Not quite. There is only one CC By licence, and it is CC By. But there are six Creative Commons licences, as you enumerate. (Plus the CC0 public domain waiver.)

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[Rick Anderson]

If the scientist claims that his publication was in a peer-reviewed journal, but it was actually in a journal that claims falsely to provide peer review, then the scientist is committing a deception (abetted by the journal in question).

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Just a little aside, we don't always know when peer review was added or for that matter discontinued by a journal or similar resource. There's no history associated with journals in this regard. 

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In response to Rick, in my part of the world, most often the scientist may not know that the journal is not peer - reviewed because all the necessary information about Editorial Board, processes of peer -reviews are indicated so it is the journal that is committing deception and the scientist becomes a victim

 

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Agreed. That’s why you need more than one criterion before you label a journal “deceptive” or “predatory” – sometimes it’s relatively easy to know whether one or more of a particular journal’s claims are truthful, and sometimes it isn’t. That’s also why you don’t add a journal to the list until you have solid evidence of its deceptive practices. One of the things you have to be willing to do if you’re going to set up and maintain an honest blacklist is say right up front why a particular journal is on the list and what it has to do in order to get off – and you have to be willing to acknowledge errors publicly and correct them publicly.

 

OASPA is a whitelist, but if you look at what happened between them and Dove Press, you see a good example of how this works when it’s done right. Dove Press got removed from OASPA because of some of its questionable practices; OASPA told them what they had remedy in order to get reinstated; Dove Press made the necessary changes, and they were reinstated (see http://oaspa.org/dove-medical-press-reinstated-as-oaspa-members/). OASPA explained the whole process publicly and fairly. There’s no reason why a blacklist can’t work the same way.

 

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Just a little aside, we don't always know when peer review was added or for that matter discontinued by a journal or similar resource. There's no history associated with journals in this regard. 

 

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[Rick Anderson]

Hi, Helena –

 

I agree that there are journals that work to deceive authors; there are also journals that help authors deceive their colleagues. Both of these are examples of deceptive or predatory practices.

 

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[Helena Asamoah-Hassan]

Yes, Rick, you are right , we have some journals that help authors deceive their colleagues including those floated by a group of people for a purpose, for a period, with questionable peer-review practices, and when the objective is achieved, it may even be for some years,  the journal is discontinued. So unethical ! and of course very deceptive !

 

Helena R.Asamoah-Hassan PhD, FGLA
Executive Director, African Library and Information Associations & Institutions

email: maadw...@yahoo.com, maadw...@gmail.com     
 

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To: Helena Asamoah-Hassan <maadw...@yahoo.com>; David Wojick <dwo...@craigellachie.us>
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Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2017 8:54 PM

[Anthony Watkinson]

I sent this to Glenn earlier. He has seen the whole e-mail. I have cut slightly because I do not want to reveal my source but let us say that the location is in an Asian country and the person who sent it to me is wholly reliable. I am sending it because it illustrates the sort of thing we are up against.

 

This is the predatory publisher I mentioned [URL deleted]

It publishes 2000+ journals and 500+ books. It called itself Open Access publisher, but it has no peer review system. I’ve visited their office once, you can not believe what I have see. 200 young people worked in a four floor nice building, processing submissions from all over the world. (mainly from the developing countries, Southeast Asia and Indian subcontinent just as you said).

 

Many of these companies are large like this. They are money making machines. The losers are from unsophisticated countries not from the US.

 

Anthony

[Glenn Hampson]

I’m going to jump between you and the slings and arrows Anthony because I know you’re using “unsophisticated” in the sense that these buyers may have far fewer options available to choose and compare. When I started working for the World Bank back in the early 90s, lower resource countries were called LDCs (less developed countries), then “emerging economies,” then LMICs  (lower-middle income countries). Then regional groupings became preferable (BRIC, etc.). I have no idea what’s proper protocol today---I’m sure Bhanu knows. But I don’t think “unsophisticated” ever entered the lexicon! J

 

Cheers,

 

Glenn

 

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[David Wojick]

Fascinating, Anthony,

According to Shen and Bjork there were just 20 or so publishers that published over 100 journals, out of the 1000+ publishers on Beall's then list. So this company sounds like an extreme outlier, making it a good candidate for a simple worst case list. (After they are carefully investigated. I suspect Beall would have listed them based just on this email.) we could do a pilot investigation. Can we have the publisher's name or URL?

But my concern is different. This publisher is apparently publishing a lot of science, which presumably is not being indexed by the big search engines. How do we make it discoverable, hence accessible? My interest is the science and access, not the publisher.

David 

Inside Public Access

[David Wojick]

Fascinating, Anthony,

According to Shen and Bjork there were just 20 or so publishers that published over 100 journals, out of the 1000+ publishers on Beall's then list. So this company sounds like an extreme outlier, making it a good candidate for a simple worst case list. (After they are carefully investigated, which is expensive. I suspect Beall would have listed them based just on this email.)

But my concern is different. This publisher is publishing a lot of science, which presumably is not being indexed by the big search engines. How do we make it discoverable, hence accessible? My interest is the science and access, not the publisher.

David 

Inside Public Access

On Jan 31, 2017, at 5:24 PM, "Anthony Watkinson" <anthony....@btinternet.com> wrote:

[Anthony Watkinson]

I shall have to ask my informant. There are some politics involved in China which I know a little about and I would not like to embarrass her in any way because I guess the information could be traced back to her.

[David Wojick]

Dear Anthony.

I assumed this was an Indian company but if the Chinese are moving in that is even more interesting, and just a little scary. Please do not jeopardize your source. India is one thing but China is quite another. Let's leave it at that.

I will ask Shen and Bjork about this.

David
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At 02:17 PM 2/3/2017, you wrote:

I shall have to ask my informant. There are some politics involved in China which I know a little about and I would not like to embarrass her in any way because I guess the information could be traced back to her.
 
From: osi20...@googlegroups.com [ mailto:osi20...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Wojick
Sent: 02 February 2017 13:50
To: osi20...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: new workgroup for Beall's List 2.0 / open resource development?
 
Fascinating, Anthony,
 
According to Shen and Bjork there were just 20 or so publishers that published over 100 journals, out of the 1000+ publishers on Beall's then list. So this company sounds like an extreme outlier, making it a good candidate for a simple worst case list. (After they are carefully investigated. I suspect Beall would have listed them based just on this email.) we could do a pilot investigation. Can we have the publisher's name or URL?
 
But my concern is different. This publisher is apparently publishing a lot of science, which presumably is not being indexed by the big search engines. How do we make it discoverable, hence accessible? My interest is the science and access, not the publisher.
 
David
Inside Public Access

On Jan 31, 2017, at 5:24 PM, "Anthony Watkinson" < anthony....@btinternet.com> wrote:

I sent this to Glenn earlier. He has seen the whole e-mail. I have cut slightly because I do not want to reveal my source but let us say that the location is in an Asian country and the person who sent it to me is wholly reliable. I am sending it because it illustrates the sort of thing we are up against.

This is the predatory publisher I mentioned [URL deleted]

It publishes 2000+ journals and 500+ books. It called itself Open Access publisher, but it has no peer review system. I’ve visited their office once, you can not believe what I have see. 200 young people worked in a four floor nice building, processing submissions from all over the world. (mainly from the developing countries, Southeast Asia and Indian subcontinent just as you said).

[Margaret Winker Cook]

David,

As noted earlier a great deal of submitted work appears to be fraudulent, at least from China: http://www.sciencealert.com/80-of-the-data-in-chinese-clinical-trial-is-fabricated . Assuming peer review has at least some filtering effect, predatory journals publish more bad science, so indexing them would enhance dissemination of bad, or at least unevaluated, science. 

Journals from the global south should be better indexed asap, but predatory journals (if we can identify them) should be not be without more caveats to the reader. 

Some science submitted to predatory journals may be legitimate, but there is no way to know whether and how the science was evaluated. A start would be journals posting peer reviews and the original submission to compare with the published version.

Margaret

Margaret Winker, MD

Secretary and Past President, WAME

Views are my own.

[Robert Kiley]

Isn't one of the reasons "predatory journals" continue to exist is because peer review is typically conducted in a non-transparent way?  So a reader (or author) doesn't really know what level of peer review (if any) is conducted by a particular journal. 

 

We could fix this by moving to a position where peer review was fully open (reviews open and signed) and conducted post publication - as per the model used by F1000 Research (and now copied by the Wellcome Open Research publishing platform). 

I guess reviews could be faked (like anything) but downstream a requirement for reviewers to have an ORCID would make this harder (or, at the very least make it more work for the fly-by-night publishers). 

Robert 

Robert Kiley

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Wellcome Library

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[Margaret Winker Cook]

Robert,

I agree in part, but I believe it is better for peer review to be conducted before publication. Several journals including BMJ Open and some BMC journals use open published signed peer review conducted before publication, and post earlier manuscript versions along with the final version (which undergoes post-publication peer review as well, of course). 

Editors of traditional blinded peer review journals worry about  difficulty finding peer reviewers, who may fear retribution for negative reviews. However, if academic credit were granted for open published peer review (with ORCID) and many journals adopted it, even skeptical reviewers might find it worthwhile.

Margaret

Margaret Winker, MD

Secretary and Past President, WAME

Views are my own.