[JOB] PHP/MongoDB Developer - Pants optional (Full-time remote position) -- Please read description, position includes nodejs

[Buzzedword]

Say no to the oppression of wearing pants and working in a cubicle! We are looking for a seasoned web developer to work remotely on a PHP5/MongoDB project running on Zend Server.

REQUIRED:

- Excellent PHP5 skills

- Strong MongoDB skills

- Strong Javascript skills, both client-side and node.js servers

- Experience with the Lithium framework a big plus

- Ability to work within a Scrum Agile framework environment

We don't care about your college degree, but we will want to see examples of recent work, and you'll have to run the gauntlet with our lead techs, so don't try to bullshit us.

Most job descriptions throw in "blah blah blah communication skills blah blah", but this is a full-time remote position, so your communication skills and ability to work independently are absolutely critical. Attention to detail and efficiency are key characteristics of our ideal candidate.

If you're interested, send your resume PDF or link to jo...@individualdigital.com. (Emails with MS Word attachments will be /dev/null'd.)

[Rodrigo Gregorio]

(Emails with MS Word attachments will be

/dev/null'd.) lol

> j...@individualdigital.com. (Emails with MS Word attachments will be
> /dev/null'd.)

[Tim Smart]

PHP on a Node.js mailing list. Wtf?

> /dev/null'd.)

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[Sotonin]

Please read description, position includes nodejs

[Stephen Belanger]

It doesn't actually say it includes nodejs, it just suggests experience with it as a requirement. It does say it includes PHP though. In fact; it rather heavily suggests the codebase is primarily PHP, which is largely disliked by the node.js community.

In my opinion, the hatred is somewhat justified. I'm so glad to be rid of PHP.

[Sotonin]

No... it says it....

Re-read the subject line.

[Stephen Belanger]

Oops, missed that. It still does sound quite heavily PHP-based though. I think that's what brought the hate. Anyway, we should probably stop derailing this.

[Dean Mao]

Cool, a loophole for posting a job here.  All it has to say is "programming might involve nodejs".

[Daniel Garcia]

Guys, I've been active in the lists for a while. I wouldn't spam you guys. The position is heavy PHP true, but also heavy node for supplimentary. Not a "maybe when" posting.

Wouldn't send it of I didn't vouch it.

Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any typos.

[alessio_alex]

This spam has got to stop.

If you want to make post a job, do it here: http://jobs.nodejs.org/a/jobs/find-jobs

Yes, it might cost some money but this way we'll know you're not
bullshitting us as well.

[Buzzedword]

I actually didn't know that existed. Will repost there. Thanks, sorry on the confusion.

On an aside, I've been following this group for a very long time, and transitioned myself from PHP. This is outside the scope of this posting, but you have to admit that established companies are not going to jump ship to node from a "mature" (re: flawed) product to a younger one-- so while I get the PHP hate, I really think that opportunities like this-- maybe not this one in particular, not trying to sell anyone else on it, really speak volumes about companies trying to transition to a new stack.

Personally, I'm of the opinion that the more some of the "traditional devs" step forward and take opportunities to introduce node.js, the more we can promote the community-- node is incredibly flexible, and great as a pair or a stand alone.

Either way. I meant no disrespect or spam with this, I apologize for my actions, and will go to the proper outlets to get this up. Thank you for showing me the right direction, and again, apologies all around.

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

Wait a sec,  

Buzzedword I think you got intimidated a bit,

You can post here, not really an issue, unless this group is someones private property, 

Why go to a company's blogspace? and pay for it?

Jacob

2011/6/24 Buzzedword <dga...@gmail.com>

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[friesnow]

I'm repeating myself, but I strongly recommend that jobs be included
right here on the mailing list where they'll receive the most
exposure.

Most companies are followers by nature. They need to see that Node is
a viable technology and the best way to increase adoption of the
framework is to show that other companies are using it.

Having Microsoft's name associated with the project helps but the next
question should be (much like the economy): "Where are the jobs?"

How about moving jobs off the list once there are more than, say, one
a day? Or even a few per week?

[Stephen Belanger]

It's my private party, and you aren't invited! :O

Really though, I don't think most of us are interested in seeing job offers on here all the time. They are getting more frequent of late and it's beginning to drown out the actual conversation.

[Karl Tiedt]

Not so much the job offers but the responses
correcting/chastising/ridiculing the post

Look back and most job posts get lots of responses (most
useless/unrelated really)

-Karl Tiedt

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

Buzzedword got intimated a bit I think,.., but this group is open space and I appreceate his post and I dont see how it is spam unless your some brainwashed lefto pinko who thinks corps are somehow immoral.

2011/6/24 Stephen Belanger <cyruz...@gmail.com>

[Buzzedword]

Not to seem the hypocrite, but I'm in agreement with you. The job postings have been getting a bit ridiculous lately, but all the same I feel that we need to make a delineation somewhere. In order for node to succeed, there has to be work with it. As part of the community, we have a responsibility to help it grow-- be it by asking intelligent questions, providing feedback, contributing software, and in certain cases, yes I do believe job postings should also be endorsed. The main difference is that I don't particularly care for cold calls with no background on node, just understanding it's the "next big thing". Full disclosure: for this posting, I receive no commission, no monetary gain, nothing. An associate came to me with this offer, explained what they were looking for, explained what they did NOT want to do (switch entirely to node) and explained what had to be achieved.

I felt that an opportunity like this, to be able to take node as not just a primary stack but as a supplementary technology was an enticing promise, and overall felt that it would be a great way to get more exposure to node in resistant markets with low risk. Does it go against everything I believe in to post a job on the list? Yes. Do I feel the benefits to our community outweighed the backlash? Absolutely. I will stand behind that 100 percent.

At the same time, I do feel that we need an appropriate outlet for this kind of outreach-- the jobs board is a little steep for raising awareness, which is really all I was attempting to do.

So, again, I apologize to all for the construed spam, but I assure you I had our best interest at heart.

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

Knowledge on economic activity with node.js is absoluutly crucial in having the use of node.js grow!

Post like this absoluutly belong in this group!

2011/6/24 Buzzedword <dga...@gmail.com>

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[Sotonin]

Agreed. this post was not spam in my opinion. It was a valid post. Don't pay to post a ad somewhere.

[Stephen Belanger]

I'm not complaining about you in particular. It's awesome that jobs are popping up, I just wish they were elsewhere. It'd be nice if we could split the mailing list up further, and add something like a business list where people can announce jobs, products and other stuff based on node.js.

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[Karl Tiedt]

It doesnt work, one of my projects has had a jobs ML for 5 years
now... nobody bothers reading the "community" page that describes
where to post stuff (same with forums) -- they just post and if its
wrong, repost after being corrected - causing more traffic (or just
post to every location!)

Its an impossible battle w/o creating massive work for
moderators/admins to clean up trash.

-Karl Tiedt

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

Indeed, Keep the job-post comming)).

The nagging is nothing other then the rot is US culture thinking something commercial is (quote) "crap" or "belongs somewhere else."

2011/6/24 Sotonin <sot...@gmail.com>

[Sotonin]

Indeed. It's hardly "out of control" seeing a job posting like one a week at most.... hell even 1 per day is fine in my book... Why force people to go elsewhere. preface with [JOB] as this guy did and nobody is forcing you to open the email. delete it.

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

LOL,  yeah , I just took a look at the link he was supposed to post the job,...$100 a pop... I bet he doesnt own stock)))

Socialist thinking always does a good job in killing innovation)

2011/6/24 Sotonin <sot...@gmail.com>

[Ted Young]

NodeJS!! Y u no like jobs?!?!

I'm happy to see these posts. Job postings take up a tiny percentage
of list traffic. Full node adoption is going to take a while. I've
been pushing node at my own company, and it's slow going even though
we're excited about it. Node is still very raw, and smart developers
are not going to replace their entire software stack on a lark. You
lose even reliable db driver support by switching to node at this
point. We're steadily finding more and more places where it solves
problems elegantly, but it's not a one-size-fits-all solution to
everything.

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[Matt]

I agree. I don't see why jobs.nodejs.org couldn't just be moderated instead of charging. It's often not a lack of incentive, but dealing with cost-centres and billing which is going to make that hard to use.

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[Tim Smart]

The only reason I got annoyed is because I did see node in the subject initially (it was after Google Mails "...")

If you posted something like:

Subject: [JOB] Node/PHP/MongoDB Remote Full-time Position

Body: "Hey I'm Joe Bloggs from AwesomeCompany,

We are based in xxx, and are looking for a Engineer with Node.js and PHP skills who are familiar with MongoDB.

Please reply directly to my email with your Github Profile and resume if interested.

Thanks,

The Hiring Guy."

You would be a lot more clear and get a lot less annoyed people.

Tim.

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[Chris Sanz]

+1

Sent from my iPhone

[Jacobus brogly.decap]

I read the node part in his solliciation  clearly,...,but you blame the poster because you were suffering from brainfog?

Mmmmm,..,wonder how you fix bugs if you read source code the same way

2011/6/25 Tim Smart <t...@fostle.com>

[Tim Smart]

I agree my initial post was mean spirited, and I apologize for that.

I disagree however that Node.js being a fundamental part of this particular position was made clearly, in the initial post that is. The poster made the company's interests a lot more clearer in the follow up posts. Putting "PHP/MongoDB Developer - Pants optional" at the start of a subject line on a Node.js mailing list is bound to get more negative attention than positive.

Tim.

PS - If you want to know how I fix bugs PM me.

[Eric Muyser]

+1 Not spam. Find this man a Node.js PHP'er.

"Required: Strong Javascript skills, both client-side and node.js servers."

[Dean Landolt]

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:54 AM, Tim Smart <t...@fostle.com> wrote:

I agree my initial post was mean spirited, and I apologize for that.

I disagree however that Node.js being a fundamental part of this particular position was made clearly, in the initial post that is. The poster made the company's interests a lot more clearer in the follow up posts. Putting "PHP/MongoDB Developer - Pants optional" at the start of a subject line on a Node.js mailing list is bound to get more negative attention than positive.

I saw the "pants optional" crack and mistook it to imply they didn't use semicolons. The horror! For the first time in a while I was relieved to see the words PHP :)

[shawn wilson]

On Jun 25, 2011 5:59 PM, "Dean Landolt" <de...@deanlandolt.com> wrote:
>
> I saw the "pants optional" crack and mistook it to imply they didn't use semicolons. The horror! For the first time in a while I was relieved to see the words PHP :)
>

php - isn't that some type of tempting language? Maybe like lego ask for the web?