Re: [MLO] Task with subtasks in the To-Do panel?

[Lisa Stroyan]

The reason they are not there is that parent tasks are not active until their children are complete, and you are using a view that shows active tasks only. Try switching to a different view or creating your own by taking your favorite view and switching the Action Filter to "Available" or "All". 

The help has a good explanation of "Active".

Lisa

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Patrick Piquette <ppiq...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a way to have tasks (regular, folder or project) with subtasks appear in the to-do panel (windows application)?

Why do task with subtasks cannot be seen in the to-do panel eventhough it has the context I filter in?

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[Patrick Piquette]

That's exactly what I need, thank you very much :-)

Can I do the same on the iPhone iPad applications?

Pat

On Sunday, August 5, 2012 9:15:49 PM UTC-4, Lisa S wrote:

The reason they are not there is that parent tasks are not active until their children are complete, and you are using a view that shows active tasks only. Try switching to a different view or creating your own by taking your favorite view and switching the Action Filter to "Available" or "All". 

The help has a good explanation of "Active".

Lisa

On Sun, Aug 5, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Patrick Piquette <ppiq...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a way to have tasks (regular, folder or project) with subtasks appear in the to-do panel (windows application)?

Why do task with subtasks cannot be seen in the to-do panel eventhough it has the context I filter in?

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[Lisa Stroyan]

Probably not. I should have been more clear...you *can* change your filter, but you might not want to, in the long run. My suggestion would be to rethink your task structure. The "Active" actions model of MLO is really powerful and well-thought out, in my opinion, and trying to circumvent it is going to lead to frustration. (And I'm not always a big fan of using applications as the developer intended :)

What I do is use the parent task as the reminder to complete/wrap up any loose ends after the children are done. So, look at it as the last task, rather than the first. It will become active as soon as the children are no longer active. If you want a "begin the project", make that the first task in the tree. 

Sometimes you'll only want to see the first task. You can mark "complete in order" on the parent if you only want to see the first task, but I find that frustrating when I want to see all of the children at once after the first task is complete. So to make all the rest of the children become active at the same time, use dependencies. You can select all of the children at once and add a dependency to the first task.  E.g:

Finish remodeling project

        Plan remodel details

        Call contractor

        Purchase materials

If I only wanted to see "Plan remodel details" then I could make the other two tasks dependent on it, and they wouldn't be active until it is complete.

Going back to your original question, as soon as all of these children are done, "Finish remodeling project" becomes active, and reminds you that you might not really be done yet...in which case you can add more children (finish remodel becomes inactive again, because it can't be marked off yet), or you can complete it.

Lisa

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[Richard Collings]

FWIW,  I would agree with Lisa and encourage you to adopt this approach.

 

However,  Lisa’s example does raise an issue which has irritated me from time to time.

 

If when you return to the top level task after you have completed all the sub-tasks and if all the sub-tasks are now hidden (because you have chosen the hide completed option) and you add another sub-task, MLO adds it as the first task in the list rather than the last (ie: if you add the new task and then change to show all Completed Tasks,  your new task will be the first in the list).

 

I cannot see a good reason for this – it would be better (IMV) if the new task was added at the end of the list.

 

Richard

 

Lisa

 

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[Mazey]

I was just at exactly that point today. Struggling with the to-do view and the concept of active tasks which was not obvious to me. Frankly, I still do not understand why parent tasks should not be active too. Working on a subtask to me means, this parent task is active, I am working on it.
And I still dont see why a parent is not finished when all parts are done. For example I have one task for MLO (folder) with the subtasks "Look into example files", "Read up user manual" and "ask remaining questions on mailing list" - MLO itself is just the folder, container. I do not see how else I could organize my tasks into categories. What I'd really like to change is the main folders (like "MLO") showing up in to-do view. But that is probably because they're seen as tasks, right?
To make things worse they are not topmost of the sub-tasks but at the bottom, even when I try to sort by/group by parent.

I must say today I am a bit frustrated and struggle with the whole concept. I still have not found the right concept for me taking into consideration my need to break things down into folders and categories.

Have a good evening everyone,

Brienne

[Richard Collings]

I don’t know whether this helps but if you make ‘MLO’  in your example a Project (tick the Project box in the Task Properties), then its name will appear at the beginning of each of the sub-tasks names. 

 

From my point of view (and I think virtually all the other users of MLO),  the parent task is not something that we want to see in our To Do list  as a task to work on - we have broken the parent task down into a series of sub-tasks and it is these that we are working on.  Once these are complete,  the parent task can then pop up in the To Do list for us to review and either say – ‘Yes the whole thing is done’ or ‘No – there are still some bits and pieces to do’ but until that time, we are quite happy for it not appear as a specific task.    Why do you want to see it in your ToDo list?

[Mazey]

On rethinking I guess I mixed too many things up here. No, I definitely do not want to see folders in the to-do view. I think I need to re-view my to-do view since a whole lot of those parent tasks did show up today, hence my confusion.
The sub-task parent-task problem has come from my test to nest tasks, I guess that way I mess things further up. But still, it makes little sense to me to have a parent task as the last to finish, dont know. Probably my thinking is too old style paper-and-pen to-do list in this point.

Have a good night,

Brienne

LG,
Marion

[Lisa Stroyan]

On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:51 AM, <over...@shaw.ca> wrote:

I'm just getting to know MLO and would like to have the option to have the parent task show up in the context filter view. 

Yes, I think in the new version 4 you can do this easily -- this is the type of thing that newly added outline filtering should be great at. Start with the view you want and then change "Show Hierarchy" to Yes and configure it the way you want.

 

On my blackberry, checking something as a 'project' does not provide the name of the parent task at the beginning of the sub-task, so on my blackberry I would have no context at all for what the sub-task is without going back to my list and finding the parent task to get that context.  

Does the Blackberry provide an Active by Project view? Android has one but it's newer.... Android does provide project name encoding.

Lisa

 

[robisme (Olivier R)]

You can also encode the task path in the text of hte task. Go to Options, Current MLO data file, To-Do list format, en check "encode additionnal informations"/ you can do this for projects and tasks.

I think it can help you, if I understand your problem.

[over...@shaw.ca]

Hi Lisa, thanks for your response - I just got back here and saw it.  Yes, it appears that Blackberry does have an Active Project View.  I'm slowly figuring out MLO on my Blackberry by hit and miss (is there a user guide?).  As I get to know it better (it helps now that I've read 'Getting Things Done), I can seeing greater and greater uses for it.  Thanks for all your work.  I hope you are planning a Blackberry 10 version.

John  

Lisa

 

[Lisa Stroyan]

Just so you know, I'm not part of the development team, so no idea of future plans. But if you find a Blackberry manual, I would like to know where it is. Have you looked to see whether there are templates? Android has a template with instructions embedded in the template.  I suppose that would require the support of different profiles since you already have data on the device. (Just brainstorming...)

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[over...@shaw.ca]

I had assumed you were a developer - thanks for clearing that up.  There are templates on the Blackberry.  I will look into them and see what I can find.  Thanks for the tip. 

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