Features In MLO v3 I Prefer To Remain In MLO v4

[Doremi]

Please note that when you see a (?) beside a word, it means I'm not
sure if I used the correct terminology.

- Importance and Urgency Scales. I preferred to have the old markers
which I can click on the set specific value of 'less', 'min',
'normal', 'more' and 'max' then fine tune the value later if I really
needed a different value (which is seldom.)

- Task Notes and Properties. MLO v3 had separate tabs for Notes and
Properties. And a section for Notes within the Properties. The
problem with MLO v4 is that when I want to enter a one liner or two in
the Notes by clicking on the Notes pane(?), the Notes "pane' expands
and the Properties pane(?) contracts. I have to click on the
Properties to make it's sections visible again. I don't want to have
to do that. I think that if I really needed the task notes to expand
to full pane, I'll just click on the Properties Section Header(?) to
collapsed the Properties. Collapsing the Properties Pane should NOT
be automatic.

And for some weird reason, every time I start up MLO v4, the Task
Notes and Properties loses it's previous set up like the Notes
occupying 50% of the pane. Every time I start up MLO v4,the
Properties moves up causing Notes to occupy 20%(?) of the pane
contrary to what I previously set up as 50%.

- Darkened Properties Sections(?). With my aging eye sight, MLO v4
made it harder for me to see where the expanded sections(?) of the
Properties begins and ends. I have to sort of "search" for the item I
needed as compared to MLO v3 where I can easily jump to the section(?)
I need and set up my stuffs. Sure, MLO v4 have the sections separated
by a thin gray line but it's hardly visible in my screen. I think MLO
should be 'old people friendly' too, but don't enlarge the fonts. The
fonts are good for now.

- Start Date and Due Dates or any date related. MLO used to have to
ability to perform "mm/dd/yy + nt" where "n" could be any number and
"t" could be "d" for Days, "w" for weeks, "m" for months and "y" for
years, you get the point. I had found this feature REALLY useful and
wondered why it is no longer available. Also, when adding time, it
would be nice if I could enter '.' instead of ':' since it is quicker
and easier to enter 14.15 than 14:15.

- Not related to MLO v3. When I pin the Workspace tab, the tab
contracts to a very blank narrow tab without the tab names. Is this
what it is was designed to be or just an oversight?

Overall, the best improvements for me is the workspace tabs allowing
to let me have pre-defined views, plus the "Open in new window"
function. Simple as the changes maybe, I know it takes a lot of time
and hard work to achieve this.

Thanks.

[Joshua Cearley]

On Sunday, December 23, 2012 1:54:44 PM UTC-6, Doremi wrote:

Please note that when you see a (?) beside a word, it means I'm not
sure if I used the correct terminology.

- Importance and Urgency Scales.  I preferred to have the old markers
which I can click on the set specific value of 'less', 'min',
'normal', 'more' and 'max' then fine tune the value later if I really
needed a different value (which is seldom.)

 

I see those in the properties tab under General.

 

- Task Notes and Properties.  MLO v3 had separate tabs for Notes and
Properties.  And a section for Notes within the Properties.  The
problem with MLO v4 is that when I want to enter a one liner or two in
the Notes by clicking on the Notes pane(?), the Notes "pane' expands
and the Properties pane(?) contracts.  I have to click on the
Properties to make it's sections visible again.  I don't want to have
to do that.  I think that if I really needed the task notes to expand
to full pane,  I'll just click on the Properties Section Header(?) to
collapsed the Properties.  Collapsing the Properties Pane should NOT
be automatic.

Indeed; things should really keep their sizes, unless you have a Visual Studio-style thumbtack option to toggle its allowance to move windows for you. 

 

Tab pinning is probably intended to function like Chrome, only the ability to set an icon for the tab isn't in yet.  Or at least I hope that's planned, since otherwise its kinda pointless.

 

[m...@grantsmiths.org]

Joshua: regarding your issue with notes and properties, try this: right-click on the Properties header. Select “configure”. Find the checkbox for “edit notes in full pane” and turn it off. It that better? You can drag the properties header up and down to give more or less space for editing notes, and you can click on the properties header to drop it to the bottom if you ever need a full pane for notes.

-Dwight

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[Joshua Cearley]

On Monday, December 24, 2012 7:55:10 AM UTC-6, Dwight Arthur wrote:

Joshua: regarding your issue with notes and properties, try this: right-click on the Properties header. Select “configure”. Find the checkbox for “edit notes in full pane” and turn it off. It that better? You can drag the properties header up and down to give more or less space for editing notes, and you can click on the properties header to drop it to the bottom if you ever need a full pane for notes.

1) It was something Doremi brought up, I was just +1'ing it.

2) Yes, that does work; it was non-obvious though, and the CHM being out of date doesn't help.  Neither does the DPI scaling issue: http://imgur.com/fcLfj

[Doremi]

Yes, it's under General.  What I'm saying is that MLO v3 has thos little markers where you can just click on it to set them in the desired scale after which you can move the slider to fine tune the value if you want but not necessarily.

[Joshua Cearley]

On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 9:24 AM, Doremi <tit...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, it's under General. What I'm saying is that MLO v3 has thos little
> markers where you can just click on it to set them in the desired scale
> after which you can move the slider to fine tune the value if you want but
> not necessarily.

If its any consolation, right clicking on importance or urgency in the
outline itself still shows the "low" "med" "high" notches in the
context menu.

[FG]

And my top choice - Outdent, Indent, Move Up , Move Down - all back to being accesible directly on tool bar not bundled together in More, to be able to use quickly, repeatedly and efficiently

[G German]

Yes, I use them all the time, please bring them back.

Also, it is just me or the GUI feels cluttered and too bright?
Everything is now white!!
 I tend to use dark themes but now all the screens around the outline/todo are in this ugly white which causes eye strain.
Also, it makes it more difficult to pinpoint boxes in properties, etc. unless you waste time hovering your mouse over things.

I have both versions side to side and the elegance and simplicity of v3 is SO much better. It too feels slightty faster?

Also v3 it is so easy in the eyes, you can see where everything is in one go.

For the time being I will test v4 to see if the new features really are worth working in an clunky, cluttered workspace, but I can see myself sticking to the small brother of MLO. :-)

[m...@grantsmiths.org]

Chris: I’m happy to tell you that the settings option you want is actually already there. It’s just terribly hard to find, but I’ll tell you where it is.

 

Make certain that the properties pane is _not_ minimized. If it is, click on the word “properties” to bring it back up. Then, right-click on the word “properties” to bring up a context menu. It should say Expand All/Collapse All/Configure. Select Configure, and at the bottom you will find “Edit Notes in Full panel”. Turn it off.

-Dwight

 

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Subject: [MLO] Re: Features In MLO v3 I Prefer To Remain In MLO v4

 

Doremi, 

 

These are all great suggestions. I know exactly what you're talking about with those little markers underneath the slider scale. I don't understand why anyone would need that much precision on entering the importance or urgency of a task. I mean, it's like someone asking you to rate a movie on a scale of 1 to 100 stars -- wouldn't 10 stars or 5 stars be much easier? I'm not going to complain too much, but a lot of other task/to-do programs just have a dropdown with Lower, Low, Normal, High, Highest as their values for importance or urgency.

 

Also on the Task Notes panel -- I'd prefer there to be a setting on whether or not the task properties panel hides when you're entering notes. I personally think that the default space to edit the task title and type the task notes into (95 pixels tall, with about 240 characters of the notes visible) is a perfectly sufficient space to type notes into (of course if it's more text than that, it can scroll). There might only be a few tasks I would need to type more into the notes than a couple hundred characters. How about a setting in the preferences called "Automatically Hide Task Properties to Edit Note?" (Yes/No)

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[m...@grantsmiths.org]

Chris: you’re welcome. This configuration screen really belongs as a page in Settings.

Let me tell you why I need so many levels of urgency. Some of the views I use have multiple sorts, with completed tasks at the bottom, starred tasks at the top, and within each section tasks are in the order I want them done. I get the "order I want them done" by assigning decreasing urgency values. Usually I will decrease the urgency value by 4 for each new task, because this gives room to add tasks _between_ other tasks without laborious renumbering. I click the urgency bar to get into the right neighborhood, then use the left or right arrows to get to the correct value.

I wouldn't mind having the five easy selection buttons so long as I didn't loose the ability to manually set a precise value.
-Dwight

Chris <fugo...@gmail.com> wrote:

Wow, thank you Dwight! ... I never would have found that.

[Lisa Stroyan]

I agree, especially since if a user sets these only to the "preset" intervals, it is possible to group by urgency/importance.

On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 9:13 AM, Chris <fugo...@gmail.com> wrote:

However, it seems in order to make the program as easy and flexible as possible, there should still be a way to input task importance and urgency with a minimum of precision

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[David Rees]

I really am missing the Importance buttons from V3 as well. I switch importance a lot.

And really I would prefer a simpler numerical or letter scale like 1,2,3,4,5 or a,b,c,d,e optimally tied to hotkeys for quickly switching them. Switching priorities is something I do a lot of in other tools like Bonsai (which maps it to 1,2,3,4,5).

d

On Thursday, January 3, 2013 5:59:36 AM UTC-8, Simon Dodds wrote:

+1 for the retention of the Importance/Urgency buttons. The iOS app uses both the buttons and the scale and the v4 beta still shows the "low/min/Max/etc" levels if you show the Urgency column.

 

And for using other setups (e.g. Manage Your Now), the Urgency categories are an absolute must.

 

On Saturday, December 29, 2012 8:11:20 AM UTC+1, Sheng Liu wrote:

I'm with you Doremi and Lisa on the Importance & Urgency scales - I miss the missing buttons too, and much prefer them to sliding most of the time. I suspect the change was for cosmetic reasons, the benefits of which I think are far outweighed by the loss.

[Dwight Arthur]

If you have the Importance column showing in your display, Right-Click in the column to get a menu of seven levels of importance. Or, in the Details pane on the right, right-click right on the pointer in the importance slider.

-Dwight

 

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[David Rees]

Yes, and its a useful tip, but that requires a lot of steps - pointing - then right-click - then selecting - then clicking. And I think it really should be as easy as assigning a flag/context/goal  - so one click or one key stroke.

And really in my personally case I want the key stroke. Perhaps the five importances could have assignable hotkeys? Or at least a keystroke to popup the importance menu so it could be done in two keystrokes (one to open and then you choose the menu item's mnemonic key). Though I prefer the former so I could assign them to 1,2,3,4,5.

Thanks,

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[David Rees]

Another keyboard thought might be hotkey options for importance up and importance down which would cycle through the standard five. From a GUI perspective they could perhaps be handled left/right buttons near the slider (or on each side).

d