Paypal issues

[Gunner Asch]

Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery". I was offered this
after 10 yrs of being a paypal member. Ive used it many times...in
fact..my account defaults to that. What this means is, you get sent
your purchase..and 14 days later, Paypal deducts the funds from your
account. This gives you time to make sure that the funds are there,
if you really need the item now. And Ive used it many times..as I
said...my account defaults to this.

However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.

So I just spent the last 45 minutes on the phone with Paypal Customer
Service.... a lady from India . Im now ......VERY pissed off. She
stated that the Pay after Delivery goes straight to the bank, and
bypasses the Paypal Balance one has. This is NOT indicated anywhere I
could find and on the paypal Payments page..it boldly states "Paypal
Balance will be used first, then any alternative sources"

Ive used this service for several years..and this is the first time
its bit me in the ass..and Im VERY pissed off. Nowhere does it state
that they are going to ignore my Paypal balance..nowhere. "Paypal
balance will be used first..."..says it twice on their Payments page.

She was about as helpful as a slug ..."we can ask them to drop the
overdraft fees, but Wellsfargo wont drop them"

So in effect..Paypal lies to the end user....one must dig deeply into
the UserAgreement to find out any of these details. After having been
a Paypal user since they first started..or close to that time...IM
FUCKING PISSED off.

If you use PAD...Payment after Delivery....be advised and watch your
ass..no matter how much of your money Paypal is sitting on..they will
go right to your bank. They wont even use your charge card...they pull
it right out of your bank account.
Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.


Gunner

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

They can't take it out of the bank account if the account isn't
registered - Patpal doesn't know where I bank. The only place they can
get money is from my paypal account or my credit card - and I'm never
close to my credit limit.

[Terry Coombs]

cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery". I was offered
>> this after 10 yrs of being a paypal member. Ive used it many
>> times...in fact..my account defaults to that. What this means is,
>> you get sent your purchase..and 14 days later, Paypal deducts the
>> funds from your account. This gives you time to make sure that the
>> funds are there, if you really need the item now. And Ive used it
>> many times..as I said...my account defaults to this.

el snipperoonie

>> If you use PAD...Payment after Delivery....be advised and watch your
>> ass..no matter how much of your money Paypal is sitting on..they will
>> go right to your bank. They wont even use your charge card...they
>> pull it right out of your bank account.
>> Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
>> they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
>> amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.
>>
>>
>> Gunner

> They can't take it out of the bank account if the account isn't
> registered - Patpal doesn't know where I bank. The only place they can
> get money is from my paypal account or my credit card - and I'm never
> close to my credit limit.

I don't have a credit limit ... if I ain't got the cash I can't afford it .

--
Snag

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Sun, 5 Jun 2016 21:18:36 -0500, "Terry Coombs" <snag...@msn.com>
wrote:

It's not about not having the cash. I NEVER carry a ballance on my
credit card(s) with a total credit card limit yhat could buy a REAL
nice car.

[Creeque Alley]

On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery".

>.......My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so

>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.

Original cost of merchandise: $38

Final cost to hand-to-mouth purchaser: $143

Comedy value of Usenet rant: priceless

You have zero dollars in the bank and you expect readers to believe
that you make $75 an hour? LOL Anyway, get your ass down to the bank.
Tell them one of your stories about attending black tie dinners, offer
them a few kittens or puppies, promise the teller 67 orgasms, and
Bob's your uncle.

[Tom Gardner]

On 6/5/2016 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
> they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
> amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.
>
>
> Gunner
>

Damn Gunner, have you EVER had just a bit of good luck?

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700
typed in misc.survivalism the following:
...

>
>So in effect..Paypal lies to the end user....one must dig deeply into
>the UserAgreement to find out any of these details. After having been
>a Paypal user since they first started..or close to that time...IM
>FUCKING PISSED off.
>
>If you use PAD...Payment after Delivery....be advised and watch your
>ass..no matter how much of your money Paypal is sitting on..they will
>go right to your bank. They wont even use your charge card...they pull
>it right out of your bank account.
>Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
>they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
>amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.

Possible to move money from Paypal to $YourBank?

I have been out of ebay/paypal for many years. I think Paypal
still owes me 54 cents. (Not that I'm keeping track...)

tschus
pyotr



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[Gunner Asch]

Tsk tsk tsk...and you work as a service tech in California
manufacturing, right?

We have 23% unemployment here. Yes..the real numbers, not the numbers
foisted off by the socialists in charge of numbers
http://www.shadowstats.com/alternate_data/unemployment-charts

http://wolfstreet.com/2016/01/08/the-sky-is-falling-on-california-manufacturing-worst-since-february-2009-may-drag-regional-economy-into-recession/

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm

http://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/17/editorial-businesses-flee-californias-high-taxes-a/

Its been feast or famine for the past 5 yrs. And its getting worse
again. You didnt know this? Of course you didnt. You spend your time
either drunk or under treatment for being a drunk. So its hardly
surprising you dont have a clue whats going on. Orders are down
again..and have been since Febuary. In fact...they are falling like a
fat lady off a cliff.

Since no one holds my hand..Im self employed....on the very pointy end
of the stick...its tough to make a go of it. But then.....you are on
the dole..despite your claims you "use your investments wisely". Good
on you boy...you may have made some money back when the economy was
good and put it to good use. If thats actually true...Snicker....good
job. The rest of us...arent doing as well. Yet we dont spend our
days with our brains fogged by boozing. We simply try harder.

http://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2013/02/06/department-of-awful-statistics-income-inequality-edition/jcr:content/body/inlineimage.img.800.png/45338469.cached.png

Oh..had another client go tits up 2 weeks ago. Seems as though its
becoming much like 2009 again.

https://www.cbinsights.com/blog/startup-failure-post-mortem/

Pick one...its your choice

http://www.politico.eu/article/could-the-economy-tank-in-2016/

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[Creeque Alley]

It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
would have been a non-event.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:04:25 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com> wrote:

Im starting to wonder why I even bother getting up every morning and
calling clients. Ive had to trim my client list continiously as they
fail or leave the state. It really..really sucks.
I should have taken the doctors orders and gone on disability 6 yrs
ago...Id be better off today if I had "quit working" than keep on
keeping on. Shrug. There are winners, there are losers, and then
there are the majority like me...treading water just as hard as we can
to keep out noses above water. It sucks...but its all we can do.

"I coulda/shoulda/woulda". No time machines around....gotta pay for
our mistakes/choices.

At my age...there is not a lot of things that I can do to make any
improvements, not where I live, and not what I do, and not with my
health (good as it is). No "good fairy" gonna tap me with her magic
want and make it all better, Im sure.

Gunner

[Lloyd E. Sponenburgh]

Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:

> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
> would have been a non-event.

Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.

I'm a 'successful person' having made 6-digit salaries in my career (now
retired). But even when I was earning fat 5-digit salaries, there were a
few (very few) times when my bank balance got dangerously low. <shrug>
It happens, even to the 'big guns', occasionally.

Now... I would agree that letting PP have ANY access to my bank account
was a _dumb_idea_... but that's another issue, entirely.

Lloyd

[Frank]

Never got into PayPal myself and only pay with a credit card. Ebay
never appealed to me.

Looked into PayPal once for clients to pay me from Europe but it was
just as expensive as a bank transfer.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 09:32:56 -0700, pyotr filipivich
<ph...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700
>typed in misc.survivalism the following:
>...
>>
>>So in effect..Paypal lies to the end user....one must dig deeply into
>>the UserAgreement to find out any of these details. After having been
>>a Paypal user since they first started..or close to that time...IM
>>FUCKING PISSED off.
>>
>>If you use PAD...Payment after Delivery....be advised and watch your
>>ass..no matter how much of your money Paypal is sitting on..they will
>>go right to your bank. They wont even use your charge card...they pull
>>it right out of your bank account.
>>Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
>>they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
>>amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.
>
> Possible to move money from Paypal to $YourBank?

Ayup. Which I did yesterday. Which means I only have $60 odd dollars
in INF charges now.

>
> I have been out of ebay/paypal for many years. I think Paypal
>still owes me 54 cents. (Not that I'm keeping track...)
>
>tschus
>pyotr
>

Its been very handy and very easy to buy/sell with. If they had
simply told the truth, Id have had no issues with them, but
frankly..they lied. And I have a real problem with that.

[Tom Gardner]

Everybody's life has to do with the amount of luck visited on them.
There is no way to attract or dodge luck. However it can change in a
heartbeat.

[Stormin Mormon]

On 6/6/2016 5:46 PM, Tom Gardner wrote:
> On 6/6/2016 2:54 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> Im starting to wonder why I even bother getting up every morning and
>> calling clients. Ive had to trim my client list continiously as they
>> fail or leave the state. It really..really sucks.
>> I should have taken the doctors orders and gone on disability 6 yrs
>> ago...Id be better off today if I had "quit working" than keep on
>> keeping on. Shrug. There are winners, there are losers, and then
>> there are the majority like me...treading water just as hard as we can
>> to keep out noses above water. It sucks...but its all we can do.
>>
>> "I coulda/shoulda/woulda". No time machines around....gotta pay for
>> our mistakes/choices.
>>
>> At my age...there is not a lot of things that I can do to make any
>> improvements, not where I live, and not what I do, and not with my
>> health (good as it is). No "good fairy" gonna tap me with her magic
>> want and make it all better, Im sure.
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>

> Everybody's life has to do with the amount of luck visited on them.
> There is no way to attract or dodge luck. However it can change in a
> heartbeat.

This should be in the "bad decision,
long term consequence" thread.

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.
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learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
<lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:

>Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>
>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>> would have been a non-event.
>
>Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.

First of all, once somebody tells me they're going to have me killed,
anything is fair. Regardless, normally successful people like me keep
a minimum balance in their checking account in order to have a zero
fees. Are there any banks that still have zero fees without a minimum
balance? Wieber lives hand to mouth, always has, always will. Talks
like a big earner but lets the fees pile up. Probably spends more on
cigarettes and junk food and overpriced cell service etc. than normal
people do on sensible purchases. Take a look at his liens for example.
Bills that were originally a hundred or two are now a thousand.
Apparently he NEVER had a good year, but refuse to change his income
or his spending. And he's still lying about owning property and still
claiming that tens or hundreds of thousands including me will soon be
dead.

>I'm a 'successful person' having made 6-digit salaries in my career (now
>retired). But even when I was earning fat 5-digit salaries, there were a
>few (very few) times when my bank balance got dangerously low. <shrug>
>It happens, even to the 'big guns', occasionally.
>
>Now... I would agree that letting PP have ANY access to my bank account
>was a _dumb_idea_... but that's another issue, entirely.

We have every account where the option is available, on auto pay. They
get paid by Visa, and we pay Visa every month. No fees, no interest.
We keep good track, never lost a nickel on any auto payment deal. Any
glitch would is easy to fix, there's no rush to fix it, and fixing it
would be less work than farting around with checks and stamps or
paying in person. We use PP all the time as well. If they offered me a
delayed payment option I'd just ignore it. Anybody who needs a couple
extra weeks to pay for small purchases should for damned sure not be
wasting a minute on Usenet.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:54:56 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 12:04:25 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com> wrote:
>
>>On 6/5/2016 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time
>>> they take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant
>>> amount of it will have been pissed right out on the ground.
>>>
>>>
>>> Gunner
>>>
>>
>>
>>Damn Gunner, have you EVER had just a bit of good luck?
>
>Im starting to wonder why I even bother getting up every morning and
>calling clients. Ive had to trim my client list continiously as they
>fail or leave the state. It really..really sucks.

Way smarter people than you told you years ago that your "business"
was a dead end. You called them idiots.

>I should have taken the doctors orders and gone on disability 6 yrs
>ago...Id be better off today if I had "quit working" than keep on
>keeping on. Shrug.

Your family has most likely already taken over a million in freebies,
so stop pretending you're self sufficient.

> There are winners, there are losers, and then
>there are the majority like me...treading water just as hard as we can
>to keep out noses above water. It sucks...but its all we can do.

You are one of a small minority, and the only dead-ender I know who
spends so much time bullshitting on Usenet. And it looks like you pay
for that even though free service is available.

>"I coulda/shoulda/woulda". No time machines around....gotta pay for
>our mistakes/choices.
>
>At my age...there is not a lot of things that I can do to make any
>improvements, not where I live, and not what I do, and not with my
>health (good as it is). No "good fairy" gonna tap me with her magic
>want and make it all better, Im sure.

You're wasting time whining. If I ever hear that you quit the smoking
and the soda then I might believe you finally started to wise up.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:18:43 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> but
>frankly..they lied. And I have a real problem with that.

Oh, the irony. LOL

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:27:11 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
><lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>
>>Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>>news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>>> would have been a non-event.
>>
>>Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>
>First of all, once somebody tells me they're going to have me killed,
>anything is fair. Regardless, normally successful people like me keep
>a minimum balance in their checking account in order to have a zero
>fees. Are there any banks that still have zero fees without a minimum
>balance?

Most banks do for seniors

Snipp

>
>We have every account where the option is available, on auto pay. They
>get paid by Visa, and we pay Visa every month. No fees, no interest.
>We keep good track, never lost a nickel on any auto payment deal. Any
>glitch would is easy to fix, there's no rush to fix it, and fixing it
>would be less work than farting around with checks and stamps or
>paying in person. We use PP all the time as well. If they offered me a
>delayed payment option I'd just ignore it. Anybody who needs a couple
>extra weeks to pay for small purchases should for damned sure not be
>wasting a minute on Usenet.

Likewise -

[Bret Cahill]

On 6/5/2016 3:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery". I was offered this
> after 10 yrs of being a paypal member. Ive used it many times...in
> fact..my account defaults to that. What this means is, you get sent
> your purchase..and 14 days later, Paypal deducts the funds from your
> account. This gives you time to make sure that the funds are there,
> if you really need the item now. And Ive used it many times..as I
> said...my account defaults to this.
>
> However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
> purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
> payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
> charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.

"Insufficient funds" - haw haw haw haw haw! How typical!

gummer, you stupid fuckwit, it says *RIGHT* on the Pay After Delivery
information page that the money comes out of your linked bank account,
*NOT* out of your PayPal account:

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay

Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:

Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
We’ll pay the seller immediately.

Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
money from your bank.


This was also in all kinds of other news about the program:

To a smaller extent, it’s about extending credit without interest
for 14 days. But here’s what’s strange about that. According to the
terms of service, the money doesn’t come out of your PayPal account,
it comes out of your linked checking account and that could lead to
trouble. If a buyer (Mark "Deadbeat" Wieber) gets caught up in a
flurry of holiday shopping, they could forget their limits and
overspend, bouncing checks when the charges pull two weeks later.


http://www.marketingpilgrim.com/2014/11/paypal-lets-customers-buy-now-and-pay-later-with-a-twist.html


You can just *always* count on Mr 166 IQ to fuck it up this way.

<VBG> Cites? indeed fascinating "I've not" buffoon "hold that thought"
backhoe "the list" cull 264mph "3/5/8 years street cop" swingers leftists

[Cy Ubinger]

gummer *makes* his own bad luck. It says right in the terms for the Pay
After Delivery program that the funds are taken from a linked account,
*not* from a PayPal account.

[Cy Ubinger]

On 6/6/2016 11:47 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:38:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery".
>>> .......My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>> charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.
>>
>> Original cost of merchandise: $38
>>
>> Final cost to hand-to-mouth purchaser: $143
>>
>> Comedy value of Usenet rant: priceless
>>
>> You have zero dollars in the bank and you expect readers to believe
>> that you make $75 an hour? LOL Anyway, get your ass down to the bank.
>> Tell them one of your stories about attending black tie dinners, offer
>> them a few kittens or puppies, promise the teller 67 orgasms, and
>> Bob's your uncle.
>
> Tsk tsk tsk...and you work as a service tech in California
> manufacturing, right?
>
> We have 23% unemployment here.

Bullshit.

[Bret Cahill]

On 6/6/2016 2:18 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:

They did, you inattentive jerk-off:

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 21:08:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:27:11 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
>><lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>>>news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>>>
>>>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>>>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>>>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>>>> would have been a non-event.
>>>
>>>Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>>
>>First of all, once somebody tells me they're going to have me killed,
>>anything is fair. Regardless, normally successful people like me keep
>>a minimum balance in their checking account in order to have a zero
>>fees. Are there any banks that still have zero fees without a minimum
>>balance?
>
>Most banks do for seniors

Cite.

>
>Snipp
>>
>>We have every account where the option is available, on auto pay. They
>>get paid by Visa, and we pay Visa every month. No fees, no interest.
>>We keep good track, never lost a nickel on any auto payment deal. Any
>>glitch would is easy to fix, there's no rush to fix it, and fixing it
>>would be less work than farting around with checks and stamps or
>>paying in person. We use PP all the time as well. If they offered me a
>>delayed payment option I'd just ignore it. Anybody who needs a couple
>>extra weeks to pay for small purchases should for damned sure not be
>>wasting a minute on Usenet.
> Likewise -

Are you saying that you need time to pay for small purchases? I'll
take your word for. I sure don't, and I never spent a second on Usenet
until after I was retired and financially secure. But feel free to
prove otherwise. You won't, because you're happy with people making
unsupported statements.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:49:51 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

Wieber screwed up? Well golly gee, you could have knocked me over with
a feather. :)

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>charges.
>

>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.

Do banks give a line of credit to deadbeats with records like
Wieber's?

[Rudy Canoza]

Did you see the recent Atlantic article by Neal Gabler ("How the Jews
Invented Hollywood" and other books) about a recent Federal Reserve
consumer survey that found 47% of Americans would have trouble paying
for an unexpected $400 bill? Gabler says he's one of them.

I honestly don't get that. I'm hardly rich (<very> low six figure
salary, wife also works), but when my tax preparer told me that we
hadn't been withholding correctly and I owed an additional $2700 in
taxes on April 15, I just wrote a fucking check for the fucking $2700.
I wasn't happy about it, and I probably couldn't do that a couple of
times a year, but $400? Come on...

[Kirk Harnack]

On 6/6/2016 7:06 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>> purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>> payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>> charges.
>
> Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
> very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
> fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.

Here are a couple of better suggestions:

1. Why doesn't he read the fucking PayPal information page?
https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay

2. Why didn't he just pay the $38 out of his $150 PayPal balance?

3. Why doesn't he have even $100 in his bank account if he really bills
$75 an hour for work?


He whines about bad luck, but this dummy makes his own bad luck by
working overtime at being stupid...and he claims to have a 166 IQ.

[Jeffrey VanRensselaer]

On 6/6/2016 6:53 PM, Cy Ubinger wrote:
> On 6/6/2016 11:47 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:38:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery".
>>>> .......My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>> charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.
>>>
>>> Original cost of merchandise: $38
>>>
>>> Final cost to hand-to-mouth purchaser: $143
>>>
>>> Comedy value of Usenet rant: priceless
>>>
>>> You have zero dollars in the bank and you expect readers to believe
>>> that you make $75 an hour? LOL Anyway, get your ass down to the bank.
>>> Tell them one of your stories about attending black tie dinners, offer
>>> them a few kittens or puppies, promise the teller 67 orgasms, and
>>> Bob's your uncle.
>>
>> Tsk tsk tsk...and you work as a service tech in California
>> manufacturing, right?
>>
>> We have 23% unemployment here.
>
> Bullshit.

gummer pulls those numbers out his ass. The four-quarter moving average
U6 estimate for California was 12% in the first quarter of 2016.
http://www.lao.ca.gov/LAOEconTax/Article/Detail/182

gummer can't give anything remotely resembling a "cite" for his 23%
figure. It's fake.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:49:51 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

>>

>> However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>> purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>> payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>> charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.
>
>"Insufficient funds" - haw haw haw haw haw! How typical!
>
>gummer, you stupid fuckwit, it says *RIGHT* on the Pay After Delivery
>information page that the money comes out of your linked bank account,
>*NOT* out of your PayPal account:
>
>https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>
> Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:
>
> Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
> We’ll pay the seller immediately.
>
> Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
> money from your bank.
>

>Don't be shy, show us that page where PayPal specifies "Paypal
>Balance will be used first, then any alternative sources".

https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/payments

"Paying online

Choose how you prefer to pay at other sites.

Choose a payment method at checkout

If you have a PayPal balance, we'll use it first.
Paying in stores

Choose how you prefer to pay in stores.

WELLS FARGO BANK NA Checking x-9447

Visa x-7595

Visa x-5634

If you have a PayPal balance, we'll use it first.
If there's a problem with your preferred payment method, we'll use one
of your other linked payment methods as a backup.

For more information please read our user agreement."

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:55:13 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

>> in INF charges now.
>>>
>>> I have been out of ebay/paypal for many years. I think Paypal
>>> still owes me 54 cents. (Not that I'm keeping track...)
>>>
>>> tschus
>>> pyotr
>>>
>> Its been very handy and very easy to buy/sell with. If they had
>> simply told the truth,
>
>They did, you inattentive jerk-off:
>
>https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>

https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/payments

"Paying online

Choose how you prefer to pay at other sites.

Choose a payment method at checkout

If you have a PayPal balance, we'll use it first.
Paying in stores

Choose how you prefer to pay in stores.

WELLS FARGO BANK NA Checking x-9447

Visa x-7595

Visa x-5634

If you have a PayPal balance, we'll use it first.
If there's a problem with your preferred payment method, we'll use one
of your other linked payment methods as a backup.

For more information please read our user agreement."

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:18:43 -0700

I can see how that might dampen one's enthusiasm.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:00 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 21:08:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:27:11 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
>>><lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>>>>news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>>>>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>>>>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>>>>> would have been a non-event.
>>>>
>>>>Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>>>
>>>First of all, once somebody tells me they're going to have me killed,
>>>anything is fair. Regardless, normally successful people like me keep
>>>a minimum balance in their checking account in order to have a zero
>>>fees. Are there any banks that still have zero fees without a minimum
>>>balance?
>>
>>Most banks do for seniors
>
>Cite.
>

don't need to give you cites. TD Canada trust stopped charging fees
when my wife turned 65 3 years ago I think every chartered bank in
Canada and most credit unions do the same.

Don't know about your unregulated "YANK BANKS"

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>charges.
>

>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.

Better yet have overdraft protection.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

With a high enough interest rate, sure. Might be 28% like on a credit
card. Might be higher

[Gunner Asch]

WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
they will do overdraft protection.

Thats pretty hard to do when one lives close to the wire.

[news16]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 18:53:31 -0700, Cy Ubinger wrote:


>>> You have zero dollars in the bank and you expect readers to believe
>>> that you make $75 an hour? LOL Anyway, get your ass down to the bank.
>>> Tell them one of your stories about attending black tie dinners, offer
>>> them a few kittens or puppies, promise the teller 67 orgasms, and
>>> Bob's your uncle.
>>
>> Tsk tsk tsk...and you work as a service tech in California
>> manufacturing, right?
>>
>> We have 23% unemployment here.
>
> Bullshit.

Gumbies knows all about it as it was his job description.
It was only a few years ago that he was telling me that my profhecy of
doom was just that.
Within 12 months he was posting how badly he was doing as there was no
work. He is flogging clapped out sailing boats now that he can shift any
of his collection of manufacturing junk.

[news16]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 12:04:25 -0400, Tom Gardner wrote:

> On 6/5/2016 6:15 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>> Ive got a check to deposit at WellsFargo tommorow..but by the time they
>> take their cut for the "insufficent funds"....a significant amount of
>> it will have been pissed right out on the ground.
>>
>>

>> Gunner
>>
>>
>
> Damn Gunner, have you EVER had just a bit of good luck?

Karma.

[news16]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:

> Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
> news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>
>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>> would have been a non-event.
>
> Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>

It is merely giving back to gummer that which he has given out in
truckloads over the years.

[Gunner Asch]

My credit card rate is 15.5% on my Platinum card.
https://www.wellsfargo.com/credit-cards/platinum-visa/

Dead beat? Snicker.....roflmao. Im living close to the wire yes,
but hardly a "deadbeat". Not like Whiney is.

[Gunner Asch]

I should mention..I hate..hate..hate credit cards and refuse to use
one. Very long story from long ago, but my wife just about busted me
about 30 yrs ago by using one for everything she could buy. Hence..I
never..never..never use the one Wellsfargo sent me.

[news16]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:14:13 -0700, Rudy Canoza wrote:

r an unexpected $400 bill? Gabler says he's one of them.
>
> I honestly don't get that. I'm hardly rich (<very> low six figure
> salary, wife also works), but when my tax preparer told me that we
> hadn't been withholding correctly and I owed an additional $2700 in
> taxes on April 15, I just wrote a fucking check for the fucking $2700.
> I wasn't happy about it, and I probably couldn't do that a couple of
> times a year, but $400? Come on...

Cash reserves in the bank or overdraw facility?

The problem is that moron(almost all population) use cradit cards as cash
advance facility, rather than exceptional payment facility.

It isn't the government debt that is the problem for this country, but
consumer debt. We badly need another financial crash to try and wake the
morons up again. Sadly unlikely to happen with record low interest rates.
>

[Bob La Londe]

"Creeque Alley" <c...@msn.com> wrote in message
news:uqaclbhgo528sa5pv...@4ax.com...

> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 21:08:25 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 17:27:11 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, "Lloyd E. Sponenburgh"
>>><lloydspinsidemindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>>>>news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>>>>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>>>>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>>>>> would have been a non-event.
>>>>
>>>>Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>>>
>>>First of all, once somebody tells me they're going to have me killed,
>>>anything is fair. Regardless, normally successful people like me keep
>>>a minimum balance in their checking account in order to have a zero
>>>fees. Are there any banks that still have zero fees without a minimum
>>>balance?
>>
>>Most banks do for seniors
>
> Cite.

No. Call a bank or two yourself. I have two no fees with no minimum
balance checking accounts for businesses. Two different banks. 1st Bank
Yuma and The Foothills Bank. Foothills no longer offers it, but has
grandfathered all the accounts so they don't lose the business. There is a
maximum number of transactions, but its never been an issue for me. Only
time I ever get charged a fee is if I make a mistake. They are business
accounts. Not seniors accounts. I can also get similar personal checking
accounts from both banks listed. I have a personal account with one of
them. Again. No minimum balance required.

[Bret Cahill]

On 6/6/2016 7:34 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:49:51 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>> purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>> payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>> charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.
>>
>> "Insufficient funds" - haw haw haw haw haw! How typical!
>>
>> gummer, you stupid fuckwit, it says *RIGHT* on the Pay After Delivery
>> information page that the money comes out of your linked bank account,
>> *NOT* out of your PayPal account:
>>
>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>>
>> Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:
>>
>> Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
>> We’ll pay the seller immediately.
>>
>> Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
>> money from your bank.
>>
>> Don't be shy, show us that page where PayPal specifies "Paypal
>> Balance will be used first, then any alternative sources".
>
> https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/payments
>
> "Paying online

Dumb fukkkkk: *read* the details on "Pay After Delivery". *THAT* is
what's applicable, Mr 166 IQ <chortle>

[Bret Cahill]

On 6/6/2016 7:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:55:13 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>

> wrote:
>
>>> in INF charges now.
>>>>
>>>> I have been out of ebay/paypal for many years. I think Paypal
>>>> still owes me 54 cents. (Not that I'm keeping track...)
>>>>
>>>> tschus
>>>> pyotr
>>>>
>>> Its been very handy and very easy to buy/sell with. If they had
>>> simply told the truth,
>>
>> They did, you inattentive jerk-off:
>>
>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/payments

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay


Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:

Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
We’ll pay the seller immediately.

Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
money from your bank.

You chump.

[Bret Cahill]

They did. Being stupid, you ignored it.

>> Id have had no issues with them, but
>> frankly..they lied.

Frankly and without any doubt, they informed you of how the service
works; and quite frankly and you being a colossal fuckwit, you ignored
it; and you being a dole scrounger and dumpster diver, you had no money
in the bank. <yawn>

>> And I have a real problem with that.
>
> I can see how that might dampen one's enthusiasm.

Stop enabling his loser tendencies. Shame on you.

[Rudy Canoza]

What the fuck do you think line of credit underwriting your account
*is*, ham hock?

[Patricia Indendi]

On 6/6/2016 8:38 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:33:52 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>> <inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>> However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>> purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>> payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>> Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>> additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>> charges.
>>>
>>> Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>> very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>> fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>> Better yet have overdraft protection.
>
> WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
> they will do overdraft protection.
>
> Thats pretty hard to do when one lives

...as a dole scrounger and dumpster diver.

You betcha.


--
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004506945195&fref=ts

[Patricia Indendi]

You don't pay a couple hundred dollars a year in property taxes on your
double-wide. You're a deadbeat (and dole-scrounger and dumpster-diver).


--
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004506945195&fref=ts

[Patricia Indendi]

Exactly right. Richly deserved.


--
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004506945195&fref=ts

[a midget, a whore and a Chinaman go into a bar, and...]

*What* a sophisto you are! <chortle>

[Jeffrey VanRensselaer]

In spades.

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:06:17 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>

So you didnt read the payments page eh? Sucks to be you.
Hummm...sucks to be a family member of yours..far far worse.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Gunner Asch]

Snicker...Ill mention to Patricia that there is a gay drunk using her
facebook page to cover himself from the bad ol Gunner

Snicker!!

Gunner

[Gunner Asch]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:08:13 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

>>>>

>>>> tschus
>>>> pyotr
>>>>
>>> Its been very handy and very easy to buy/sell with. If they had
>>> simply told the truth,
>
>They did. Being stupid, you ignored it.

I notice you keep clipping out the payments page, you piece of shit
(Grin)

>
>
>>> Id have had no issues with them, but
>>> frankly..they lied.
>
>Frankly and without any doubt, they informed you of how the service
>works; and quite frankly and you being a colossal fuckwit, you ignored
>it; and you being a dole scrounger and dumpster diver, you had no money
>in the bank. <yawn>
>

Yawn indeed.

>
>>> And I have a real problem with that.
>>
>> I can see how that might dampen one's enthusiasm.
>
>Stop enabling his loser tendencies. Shame on you.

<plink>

So who are you gonna be in another few minutes? The same drunken
loser that you are now...just using yet another persons name while
cowering in shame and fear from using your own.

Snicker

[Gunner Asch]

Say hi! to Shorty and the Chink, for me will you?

<plink>

ROFLMAO!!!

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 19:14:13 -0700, Rudy Canoza <c...@philhendrie.con>
wrote:


>Did you see the recent Atlantic article by Neal Gabler ("How the Jews
>Invented Hollywood" and other books) about a recent Federal Reserve
>consumer survey that found 47% of Americans would have trouble paying
>for an unexpected $400 bill? Gabler says he's one of them.

>
>I honestly don't get that. I'm hardly rich (<very> low six figure
>salary, wife also works), but when my tax preparer told me that we
>hadn't been withholding correctly and I owed an additional $2700 in
>taxes on April 15, I just wrote a fucking check for the fucking $2700.
>I wasn't happy about it, and I probably couldn't do that a couple of
>times a year, but $400? Come on...

I read something like that, not sure it was the same article. I wasn't
surprised. The combination of lower real wages, easy credit, and gotta
have the latest crap was bound to cause trouble. I recently bought a 3
month old crazy expensive cell phone, used, for about 2/3 the net cost
of purchasing it from my provider. When I told the story to a friend,
he was mystified, and claimed he'd been given a high end phone from
his provider for "free." He's nowhere near as broke as Wieber, but
considering his expertise at getting expensive things for "free," he
ought to wonder why he isn't better off.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:06:17 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>

Wieber has surely admitted his error by now, and apologized for
accusing PP of lying to him. And offered to kick himself in the ass
for posting a stupid rant that only served to prove his incompetence,
incontinence, and impotence when it comes to personal finance.
Unfortunately the dems hacked Usenet and made that post invisible to
me. :)

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:30:57 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:42:34 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>but hardly a "deadbeat". Not like Whiney is.
>

>Which one of your many assholes did you dig that idea out of?
>
>Give us some cites.
>
>I'll put my net wealth, credit score, credit limit, monthly income or
>any other financial indicator against yours any day of the week. Hell,
>so will my cat and he's down to eating mice. I'm better looking and a
>better judge of fine whisky.
>
>I owe nothing to anyone, make 90% of my purchases cash,

Yuck! I hate cash. Still, I carry enough in case a yard sale or
whatever pops up. Usually about 300, which I don't think of as much
except when I read subsistence sob stories like Wieber's.

> and have
>healthy account balances that I despair I won't live long enough to
>spend foolishly. Too much wine gives you a headache, more than woman
>is asking to die, and how many times can you play the jukebox.
>
>I have credit cards with limits of $10K and $15K. I charge on them to
>keep them active but the balance is paid in full by return mail when I
>get the bill. That has been my practice for several decades. My credit
>reports are all accounts perfect as far back as they go.
>
>I live simply, call me cheapskate if you want, but I'm not living by
>floating one account transfer date against another. If I were, I sure
>wouldn't fuck up the timing and mis-read the agreement. How about you?
>
>I haven't had an overdraft in 30 years. How about you?
>
>Deadbeat? How do you define that?

He doesn't. He simply accuses any critics of whatever he's guilty of.
Maybe after he does it another gazillion times he'll realize how
stupid it is. Just kidding, he's incapable of learning.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:48:25 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:35:07 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:12:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>>charges.
>>>>
>>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>>>
>>>Do banks give a line of credit to deadbeats with records like
>>>Wieber's?
>> With a high enough interest rate, sure. Might be 28% like on a credit
>>card. Might be higher
>
>I should mention..I hate..hate..hate credit cards and refuse to use
>one.

You don't have any credit cards. You probably have a debit card.

> Very long story from long ago, but my wife just about busted me
>about 30 yrs ago by using one for everything she could buy. Hence..I
>never..never..never use the one Wellsfargo sent me.

Similar to the excuse used by every other deadbeat. Nobody will
believe it. Try to be more original. For example, you could claim that
your body chemistry emits an energy field that corrupts the magnetic
stripes on credit cards. Of course if you admit to having a debit card
that would contradict your story. But then, contradictions have never
bothered you before so no sense worrying about them now.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:38:05 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:33:52 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>charges.
>>>
>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>> Better yet have overdraft protection.
>
>WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
>they will do overdraft protection.

Oh, the humanity!

>Thats pretty hard to do when one lives close to the wire.

No it isn't. Stop the incontinent spending and see how fast you can
save 500 bucks. And have a normal person take you to a produce store
so you can learn that not all food comes in cardboard containers. Then
gather up a dozen soda bottles and fill them with water. Refill them
as needed. Liquidate all your silly hoarded crap, including the guns.
Quit breeding dogs. Pay your taxes when due to stop the lien fees. Get
a real job by daring to walk into a job interview without a sidearm.
Stop lying. I could go on, but you're too stupid to accept an iota of
sensible advice.

I'll predict your excuses: only buy necessities, hate vegetables,
allergic to water, puppies are accidents, can't afford taxes, use the
crap for "business," need the guns for the zombie apocalypse, can't
risk going without sidearm, too old to be hired anyway, would never
lie. LOL

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:35:07 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:12:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>charges.
>>>
>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>>

>>Do banks give a line of credit to deadbeats with records like
>>Wieber's?
> With a high enough interest rate, sure. Might be 28% like on a credit
>card. Might be higher

That sounds tailor made for him. He's always looking for ways to
maximize costs in order to ensure endless subsistence living.

[Creeque Alley]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 03:46:47 -0000 (UTC), news16 <new...@woa.com.au>
wrote:

When Wieber is cornered, his habit is to "win" the debate by doling
out death sentences. But when the undead come back to haunt him, he
calls it "terrorism" at the same time he says he likes reading it.
Gotta love how he alternately brags about his mountains of crap, and
invites pity for being dead broke. Even his proclamations are in
overdraft.

[Creeque Alley]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:42:34 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dead beat? Snicker.....roflmao. Im living close to the wire yes,
>but hardly a "deadbeat".

Oh really? You call refusing to pay peanuts in taxes on your mobile
for decades "living close to the wire?"
http://www.kcttc.co.kern.ca.us/Payment/ATNDetails.aspx?NUMBER=03930320008&NUM_TYPE=AT&YR=H
You chose to work little, lie on Usenet a lot, and hoard crap instead
of paying your bills. You are a deadbeat, plain and simple.

[Tom Gardner]

On 6/6/2016 10:26 PM, Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>


Responding to your own posts is a sign of insanity...so is using
multiple spoofed nyms.

[Tom Gardner]

On 6/6/2016 9:52 PM, Cy Ubinger wrote:

why use stolen names, ashamed of yourself?

[Tom Gardner]

On 6/7/2016 1:15 AM, Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:

stolen name

[Monday, Monday]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:47:45 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 07:38:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Paypal has a "feature" called "Pay after delivery".
>>>.......My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so

>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds

>>>charges. WTF? They never touched the $150 in my Paypal account.
>>

>>Original cost of merchandise: $38
>>
>>Final cost to hand-to-mouth purchaser: $143
>>
>>Comedy value of Usenet rant: priceless
>>
>>You have zero dollars in the bank and you expect readers to believe
>>that you make $75 an hour? LOL Anyway, get your ass down to the bank.
>>Tell them one of your stories about attending black tie dinners, offer
>>them a few kittens or puppies, promise the teller 67 orgasms, and
>>Bob's your uncle.
>
>Tsk tsk tsk...and you work as a service tech in California
>manufacturing, right?

You aren't a "service tech." You're a scrounger who gets paid little
and works part time.

>We have 23% unemployment here.

No, you don't. But no amount of unemployment should matter to someone
who claims he's only been out of work for less than a week for the
last 40 years.

"In the past 40 yrs..I think Ive been unemployed for a total of
hummm...6 days."
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.survivalism/msg/d9eb24039fa0acfd


>Its been feast or famine for the past 5 yrs.

When was the feast? It's been more than 3 years since you last paid
taxes on that crummy mobile.
http://www.kcttc.co.kern.ca.us/Payment/ATNDetails.aspx?NUMBER=03930320008&NUM_TYPE=AT&YR=H

> And its getting worse
>again.

No, it's always been bad for you because you're an idiot.

> You didnt know this? Of course you didnt. You spend your time
>either drunk or under treatment for being a drunk.

Cite! LOL

> So its hardly
>surprising you dont have a clue whats going on. Orders are down
>again..and have been since Febuary. In fact...they are falling like a
>fat lady off a cliff.

Oh stop for god's sake. Your problems have nothing to do with the
economy, and everything to do with being a self destructive bone head.

>Since no one holds my hand..Im self employed....on the very pointy end
>of the stick...its tough to make a go of it.

Whose plan was it to be "self employed?" I first told you to get a
fucking job about ten years ago. But that would cut into the story
telling time, wouldn't it? Now you claim to have and audience and the
energy to "swing" but are too old to get a proper job. The solution is
obvious: hire yourself out as male prostitute. Be sure to write long
descriptions of your adventures and massive income.

> But then.....you are on
>the dole..

Cite!

>despite your claims you "use your investments wisely". Good
>on you boy...you may have made some money back when the economy was
>good and put it to good use.

So am I on the dole, in my mommy's basement, or drunk, or living off
my investments? Be sure to post the evidence for your conclusion.

> If thats actually true...Snicker....good
>job. The rest of us...arent doing as well.

Who are "the rest of us?" Post the names of all the other posters here
who are as bad off as you are.

> Yet we dont spend our
>days with our brains fogged by boozing. We simply try harder.

Bwahahaha! HOW are you trying harder? By yapping about buying
ammunition for every gun for which you have less than 1000 rounds? By
starting a thread to reveal that you didn't read, and now refuse to
accept the plain as day terms of service for that dopey pay later PP
deal?

"If buyer selects PAD as the payment method:

- The entire transaction amount will be funded from the buyer's
primary bank account linked to buyer's PayPal account, even if the
buyer has a balance in their PayPal account, except where there are
insufficient available funds in the primary bank account. Buyer
authorizes PayPal to submit the debit to buyer's primary bank account
for the amount of the transaction, and resubmit it again if the
initial debit is rejected or insufficient. In the event there are
insufficient available funds in buyer's primary bank account, buyer
authorizes PayPal to fund the remaining amount of the transaction from
any of the following sources: buyer's PayPal account"

You are a damned moron who has endless time for making useless
excuses, and none for making sensible decisions.

[Monday, Monday]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 05:01:55 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com> wrote:

>On 6/7/2016 1:15 AM, Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>
>stolen name

He "stole" it? Did the owner file a police report? Since you seem to
be up on this stuff, what are the penalties for using "stolen" names?

[Monday, Monday]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 03:31:04 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:38:05 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>>WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
>>they will do overdraft protection.
>

>$500 ?? As the contingency fund of a business venture ?? That's been
>operating for years ?? Good God, Bush screwed us worse than I
>thought.
>
>Clearly we should elect Gunner's brand of whacked out NeoCons to run
>the government because, like Gunner, they understand basic finance and
>are fiscally responsible people. They can put the country on the same
>solid economic footing Gunner has in his own life by applying his
>simple political and fiscal principles to the national economy.

>
>>Thats pretty hard to do when one lives close to the wire.
>

>They play the victim well when their schemes go wrong too.

Wieber has his own plan for success.

1. Ignore reality no matter how much it bites. See PP PAD terms of
service and Wieber's rant about them "lying."
2. Elect Trump.
3. Kill all the Dems.
4. Wait for magic checks to come in the mail.

What could go wrong?

[pyotr filipivich]

Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com> on Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:38:05 -0700

typed in misc.survivalism the following:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:33:52 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the

>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so

>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>charges.
>>>

>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.

>> Better yet have overdraft protection.
>

>WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
>they will do overdraft protection.

But will they refuse to honor an overdraft? No, that would cost
them all those fees.
--
pyotr filipivich
The fears of one class of men are not the measure of the rights of another.
-- George Bancroft

[Monday, Monday]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 03:41:48 -0700, Winston_Smith
<inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:

>On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 00:04:23 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:

>>On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:06:17 -0700, Bret Cahill wrote:
>
>>> Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:
>>> Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
>>> We’ll pay the seller immediately.
>>> Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
>>> money from your bank.
>>>
>>>You chump.
>>
>>So you didnt read the payments page eh? Sucks to be you.
>>Hummm...sucks to be a family member of yours..far far worse.
>>
>>ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>

>Bret Cahill didn't get scammed by PayPal. YOU did. Who is smarter?
>ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Wieber scammed himself. PayPal's terms are clear, and they did exactly
what they promised to do. But 167 IQ Wieber didn't think to read the
terms, and ended up with a bunch of NSF charges that were triple the
cost of his purchase. That's a classic deadbeat move and merely
another day in the life of the Amazing Wieber, which he topped off by
trying to start a pity party that quickly went awry.

In case anyone missed it, here's the applicable part of the PAD terms:

"If buyer selects PAD as the payment method:

- The entire transaction amount will be funded from the buyer's
primary bank account linked to buyer's PayPal account, even if the
buyer has a balance in their PayPal account, except where there are
insufficient available funds in the primary bank account. Buyer
authorizes PayPal to submit the debit to buyer's primary bank account
for the amount of the transaction, and resubmit it again if the
initial debit is rejected or insufficient. In the event there are
insufficient available funds in buyer's primary bank account, buyer
authorizes PayPal to fund the remaining amount of the transaction from
any of the following sources: buyer's PayPal account"

https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay (click on "see terms")

Note that gutless Wieber can't bring himself to admit his mistake, or
apologize for blaming it on PP.

[Monday, Monday]

Huh? They refuse to pay the overdraft AND profit off the fees. Of
course a bunch of the time the account owner won't have the money for
the fees either, but the banks keep the fees high enough that they can
still profit while absorbing the losses. Why should anyone feel sorry
for Wieber? It's easy to imagine him complaining to the teller that he
can't afford the NSF charges, while standing there with a jug of Dew
in one hand and a pack of cigarettes in his pocket.

[Tom Gardner]

Notice what "Organization:"

So, some asshole lifted a list of my contacts from Facebook or such.
You seem to be that asshole...COWARD!

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[Patricia Indendi]

On 6/6/2016 11:30 PM, Winston_Smith wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:42:34 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>
>> but hardly a "deadbeat". Not like Whiney is.
>
> Which one of your many assholes did you dig that idea out of?
>
> Give us some cites.
>
> I'll put my net wealth, credit score, credit limit, monthly income or
> any other financial indicator against yours any day of the week. Hell,
> so will my cat and he's down to eating mice. I'm better looking and a
> better judge of fine whisky.

Look: you could just put up the spare change that's rolled out of your
pockets under the car seat, and you'd *still* beat gummer!


--
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004506945195&fref=ts

[Bret Cahill]

On 6/7/2016 12:04 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:06:17 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2016 7:36 PM, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:55:13 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> in INF charges now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been out of ebay/paypal for many years. I think Paypal
>>>>>> still owes me 54 cents. (Not that I'm keeping track...)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tschus
>>>>>> pyotr
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its been very handy and very easy to buy/sell with. If they had
>>>>> simply told the truth,
>>>>
>>>> They did, you inattentive jerk-off:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.paypal.com/myaccount/settings/payments
>>
>> https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/pad-get-pay
>>
>>
>> Here’s how Pay After Delivery works:
>>
>> Select Pay After Delivery as your payment method when you shop.
>> We’ll pay the seller immediately.
>>
>> Pay 14 days later. We’ll send you an alert before we deduct the
>> money from your bank.
>>
>>
>>
>> You chump.
>
> So you didnt read the payments page eh?

I read the "how it works" page. I also read several third party
financial news stories about how it works. It's right there in plain
English, for anyone who wants to know. Some people enjoy their
ignorance. You seem to be one of them.

[Patricia Indendi]

On 6/7/2016 12:06 AM, Gunner Asch wrote:
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2016 22:13:39 -0700, Patricia Indendi
> <i.hate.w...@we.all.do> wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2016 8:46 PM, news16 wrote:
>>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 14:15:52 -0500, Lloyd E. Sponenburgh wrote:
>>>
>>>> Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> fired this volley in
>>>> news:k6hblb90qdd0miobo...@4ax.com:
>>>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with luck. Normally successful people don't let
>>>>> their bank balance go to zero, and they don't need a delayed payment
>>>>> plan for minor purchases. If Wieber had a mere $105 in the bank, this
>>>>> would have been a non-event.
>>>>
>>>> Eh... that's not fair, regardless of what you think of him.
>>>>
>>> It is merely giving back to gummer that which he has given out in
>>> truckloads over the years.
>>
>> Exactly right. Richly deserved.
>
> Snicker...Ill mention to Patricia that there is a gay drunk using her

> facebook page to cover himself from the bad ol Gummer

How do you mean "covering" from you? What the fuck does that even mean?

You fuck up your life yourself, time after time after time. It would be
a little sad, except that it's so fucking funny.


--
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004506945195&fref=ts

[Gary Chamberlain]

> ROFLMAO!!!

Loser.

[Gary Chamberlain]

On 6/7/2016 3:47 AM, Winston_Smith wrote:

> Whack-A-Mole does his ostrich head in the sand act. If you can't beat
> them, if they don't swallow BS, if death threats don't work, try
> pretending they don't exist.
>
> Good, Gunner, real good.

Here's what's really funny about it. He makes a big show of killfiling
me, but when I come back with a new nym - which he usually identifies as
me in very short order - he keeps responding to the new nym(s) at length
before finally killfiling them, too. I don't know why he bothers. It's
less work for me to come up with new ones than it is for him to killfile
them.

[pyotr filipivich]

"Monday, Monday" <m...@gmail.com> on Tue, 07 Jun 2016 08:10:23 -0700

Eat a bug.
--
pyotr
Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
does it take to change a lightbulb.

[Gary Chamberlain]

LOL!

[Gary Chamberlain]

That's just staggering. There are over $14,401 of unpaid taxes for
which liens have been filed against that rat-infested crackerbox. They
extend back nearly two decades - April 1997. gummer is damned lucky he
*doesn't* own the land underneath the rat colony, because it would have
been seized and sold long ago. As it is, the county knows the rat box
has no value. It's a shame that the county can only attempt to collect
the unpaid taxes by seizing the property on which the taxes are owed; it
it were something else, they'd be able to seize and sell Hotel Econoline.

[Monday, Monday]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 12:31:34 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com> wrote:

>On 6/7/2016 5:33 AM, Monday, Monday wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 05:01:55 -0400, Tom Gardner <Ma...@tacks.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/7/2016 1:15 AM, Jeffrey VanRensselaer wrote:
>>>
>>> stolen name
>>
>> He "stole" it? Did the owner file a police report? Since you seem to
>> be up on this stuff, what are the penalties for using "stolen" names?
>>
>
>Notice what "Organization:"

Oh my, how devastating for you. What is it with you idiots imagining
some grave importance of headers?

>
>So, some asshole lifted a list of my contacts from Facebook or such.

That's why they tell kids not to post personal stuff on the Internet.
But you knew better than to take that advice, right?

>You seem to be that asshole...COWARD!

Nope. And that would easy for you to check in the headers! But it's
fun watching him make fun of you and get your goat doing it.

BTW, since you didn't answer my question, I'll tell you the answer.
Nothing was stolen and no harm has been done except in your mind which
was already fucked up anyway.

[Monday, Monday]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:23:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich

Whoa! Another devastating retort from the peanut gallery. At least you
remember *something* from eighth grade.

>pyotr
>Go not to the Net for answers, for it will tell you Yes and no. And
>you are a bloody fool, only an ignorant cretin would even ask the
>question, forty two, 47, the second door, and how many blonde lawyers
>does it take to change a lightbulb.

You should take your own advice and search for "adult level retorts"
or some such.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:38:05 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>

wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:33:52 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>
>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>charges.
>>>
>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>> Better yet have overdraft protection.
>
>WellsFargo requires me to have over $500 in a savings account before
>they will do overdraft protection.
>

>Thats pretty hard to do when one lives close to the wire.
>
>

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My dad always told me it doesn't cost any more to fill the top
quarter of the tank than the bottom quarter. And sometimes you need
to fire your bank.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 20:48:25 -0700, Gunner Asch <gunne...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 23:35:07 -0400, cl...@snyder.on.ca wrote:

>
>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:12:41 -0700, Creeque Alley <c...@msn.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 06 Jun 2016 19:06:17 -0700, Winston_Smith
>>><inv...@butterfly.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 05 Jun 2016 15:15:07 -0700, Gunner Asch wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>However...I had money in my account..$150 in fact...and I made (3)
>>>>>purchases totaling $38. Paypal waited the 14 days..then sent the
>>>>>payment to my bank. My bank account was EMPTY..zero dollars...so
>>>>>Wellsfargo paid the (3) payments totalling $38..and charged me an
>>>>>additional $35 PER Purchase..for a total of $105..insufficeint funds
>>>>>charges.
>>>>
>>>>Why don't you have a line of credit underwriting your account? Even a
>>>>very small one would do. Then you would just get hit with the $10ish
>>>>fee the bank makes for making the transfer for you.
>>>

>>>Do banks give a line of credit to deadbeats with records like
>>>Wieber's?
>> With a high enough interest rate, sure. Might be 28% like on a credit
>>card. Might be higher
>
>I should mention..I hate..hate..hate credit cards and refuse to use
>one. Very long story from long ago, but my wife just about busted me
>about 30 yrs ago by using one for everything she could buy. Hence..I
>never..never..never use the one Wellsfargo sent me.
>
>

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I buy virtually everything on my credit cards - but never carry a
balance My one card is saving me $0.10 a liter on fuel this month -and
the other cardbuys groceries for free. Anywhere from 1 to 3% of
everything I spend comes back as a "bonus" - and the cards cost me
NOTHING - and it's been over 10 years since I last paid a penny of
interest. Those 2 credit cards have put a lot more than $500 into my
bank account in a year. I buy ALL of my wholesale purchaces "on the
card" - sometimes over $10,000 in one shot - and my customers USUALLY
pay me before I have to pay off the credit card. For me the credit
card is definitely a win-win situation - and I'm carefull no to "piss
off" the wife. (actually one of those credit cards is in HER name as
the primary card holder)

[Gary Chamberlain]

You need to explain to gummer what a liter is. He's an extremely
provincial American, and he doesn't know.


> -and the other card buys groceries for free. Anywhere from 1 to 3% of

[Monday, Monday]

He's lucky the bank doesn't fire him. I'm surprised he even has a bank
account. Deadbeats tend to shy away from banks to prevent account
garnishment by lien holders. That may be one of the reasons for the
zero balance.

[Monday, Monday]

Wow, that's almost exactly my situation. Minor differences, my recent
big payback is from buying so many building materials for a new house
on the card. And it's more like 35 years since I paid any interest.

But don't be fooled. Wieber's inability to reap the benefits of a
credit card isn't voluntary. There are ways for low end types to take
advantage of credit cards, but Wieber couldn't maintain even the most
minimum level of discipline required.

[Bret Cahill]

With the financial problems he has had, he might find it difficult if
not impossible to open a new account at another bank. Banks do credit
checks on new customers now, and a prospective customer with a history
of bounced checks and other banking problems can find his account
application rejected.

[Go Where You Wanna Go]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:46:29 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

Yeah, he doesn't have much choice. Same with PayPal. He pretends his
own stupidity is somehow their fault, but he just can't quit them. And
yes, that's a pointed Brokeback Mountain reference. :)

Hey Wieber, I don't see any of your buddies yammering in support of
your PP rant. Apparently they're too busy shaking their heads at all
your mistake that you're too chickenshit to own up to making. Man, you
know you've jumped the shark when you can't even get that rabble
roused.

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

Bigger than a yankee quart - smaller than a "real" quart

[cl...@snyder.on.ca]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 15:46:29 -0700, Bret Cahill <bretcahill@aöl.con>
wrote:

Could well be. Up here they can't refuse to give you an account -
but might not give you a chequing account with a bad record. Without a
savings account you are at the mercy of the "payday loan" guys nto
cash your cheques, and they take a sizeable fee, I hear.

Mabee Wells Fargo fills that space in the USA???

[Jim Wilkins]

<cl...@snyder.on.ca> wrote in message
news:cvtelb96j6o0lvhgd...@4ax.com...

> On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 14:38:02 -0700, Gary Chamberlain
> <abc...@terrell.shitbags.con> wrote:
>
>>
>>You need to explain to gummer what a liter is. He's an extremely
>>provincial American, and he doesn't know.
>
> Bigger than a yankee quart - smaller than a "real" quart

A litre is supposed to be the volume of a kilogramme of water, as
measured to the accuracy possible in 1799. It's off by 25
milligrammes, about the weight of a grain of rice.

--jsw

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 7 Jun 2016 10:33:24 -0700, Gary Chamberlain
<abc...@terrell.shitbags.con> wrote:

>>
>> When was the feast? It's been more than 3 years since you last paid
>> taxes on that crummy mobile.
>> http://www.kcttc.co.kern.ca.us/Payment/ATNDetails.aspx?NUMBER=03930320008&NUM_TYPE=AT&YR=H
>
>That's just staggering. There are over $14,401 of unpaid taxes for
>which liens have been filed against that rat-infested crackerbox. They
>extend back nearly two decades - April 1997. gummer is damned lucky he
>*doesn't* own the land underneath the rat colony, because it would have
>been seized and sold long ago. As it is, the county knows the rat box
>has no value. It's a shame that the county can only attempt to collect
>the unpaid taxes by seizing the property on which the taxes are owed; it
>it were something else, they'd be able to seize and sell Hotel Econoline.

Why not pay the taxes and then put me out on the street?

Hummmm?


Oh...rat infested? Rats? In the desert?

Snicker.....(VBG)

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 10:23:06 -0700, pyotr filipivich

I went to Wells Fargo today and bitched. Showed em what had happened,
and noted that I had transfered the balance from Paypal to my WF
account.
They dropped all the overdraft fees (whew!) and then asked my
permission and when it was given, put my name on the list of the
upcoming plaintifs for the next suit against Paypal.

Seems something similar also happened a couple years ago..which
apparently was one of the reasons Ebay dumped Paypal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/05/19/pay-pal-cfpb-penalties/27579087/

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 11:29:17 -0700, "Monday, Monday" <m...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Why? You are obviously incapable of understanding "adult level
retorts" so folks tend to put things at your level of comprehension.

[Gunner Asch]

On Tue, 07 Jun 2016 15:29:11 -0700, "Monday, Monday" <m...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Thats what your first wife taught you wasnt it? Or was it the second
one?

[UVevz⚛← Ｍｉｇｈｔｙ ╬ Ｗａｎｎａｂｅ →⚛fyaZO]

Yes, rats like you in the desert. What do you think the rattle snakes
eat, you lying scumbag?

[Stormin Mormon]

On 6/7/2016 11:09 PM, Jim Wilkins wrote:
>>> You need to explain to gummer what a liter is. He's an extremely
>>> provincial American, and he doesn't know.
>>
>> Bigger than a yankee quart - smaller than a "real" quart
>
> A litre is supposed to be the volume of a kilogramme of water, as
> measured to the accuracy possible in 1799. It's off by 25
> milligrammes, about the weight of a grain of rice.
>
> --jsw
>

That explains why I'm thirsty an hour later.

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