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Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max and iPhone XR
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Arlen _G_ Holder
Oct 14, 2019, 6:32:51 PM10/14/19
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Verbatim:
o Apple Warned iPhones Have A 'User Hostile' Battery Problem
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/09/apple-iphone-xs-max-xr-upgrade-battery-problem-cost-iphone-11-update/>
"Acclaimed repair and teardown specialist iFixit, has discovered that
Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max and
iPhone XR which sends users warnings and disables features if they try to
replace their batteries anywhere other than an Apple Store."
"But here's the kicker: users receive the same message even if a genuine
Apple battery was fitted."
"Apple has modified a commonly used Texas Instruments microcontroller
(which typically reports battery capacity, temperature and charge) to make
it work as an authentication device. The chip pairs the battery to the
iPhone's logic board with a unique authentication key and unless you have
it, even authentic batteries working perfectly will be flagged as a
problem."
"Quite correctly, iFixit labels the whole thing a "User-Hostile Choice"
and it isn't the first time Apple has taken such measures"
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Bringing truth & facts along with sensible logic to this Apple ng.
o Apple Warned iPhones Have A 'User Hostile' Battery Problem
<https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2019/08/09/apple-iphone-xs-max-xr-upgrade-battery-problem-cost-iphone-11-update/>
"Acclaimed repair and teardown specialist iFixit, has discovered that
Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max and
iPhone XR which sends users warnings and disables features if they try to
replace their batteries anywhere other than an Apple Store."
"But here's the kicker: users receive the same message even if a genuine
Apple battery was fitted."
"Apple has modified a commonly used Texas Instruments microcontroller
(which typically reports battery capacity, temperature and charge) to make
it work as an authentication device. The chip pairs the battery to the
iPhone's logic board with a unique authentication key and unless you have
it, even authentic batteries working perfectly will be flagged as a
problem."
"Quite correctly, iFixit labels the whole thing a "User-Hostile Choice"
and it isn't the first time Apple has taken such measures"
--
Bringing truth & facts along with sensible logic to this Apple ng.
JF Mezei
Oct 14, 2019, 7:33:34 PM10/14/19
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On 2019-10-14 18:32, Arlen _G_ Holder wrote:
> "Acclaimed repair and teardown specialist iFixit, has discovered that
> Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS,
It isn't secret. And not "activated". It came with a softwaere update
> "Acclaimed repair and teardown specialist iFixit, has discovered that
> Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS,
and immediatly active.
It basically pairs a battery secial number to the phone. Sop that is why
even if you replace battery with genuine Apple battery, it will complain.
This complaint happens onnce, and the only permanent side effect has
been the long standing policy of disabling the "battery health"
capabilities which have been in effect with 3rd party batteries since
late 2017.
The marketing reasoning: the battery health software looks at the
history of a battery to deterkine how much it has degraded. Change the
battery and all of a sudden, tthe old battery's history can't be used to
determine the new battery's health so the phone refuses to give you the
info.
Obviously, Apple repair shops have thye magic software tool that tells
the phone to accept the new battery, and that could have been made
automatic to allow anyone to replace the battery. However, in fairness
to Apple, authoried repair shops are able to get that tool and do
battery changes ( but I think TouchID changes are still Apple-only as it
touches the secure enclave).
nospam
Oct 14, 2019, 8:13:51 PM10/14/19
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In article <gB7pF.26565$1o3....@fx09.iad>, JF Mezei
is disabled because it could be a knockoff battery which is lying about
its health.
> The marketing reasoning: the battery health software looks at the
> history of a battery to deterkine how much it has degraded. Change the
> battery and all of a sudden, tthe old battery's history can't be used to
> determine the new battery's health so the phone refuses to give you the
> info.
nope. the reason is because there's no way for non-authorized techs to
guarantee that the battery is genuine and not a knockoff clone.
<jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
> This complaint happens onnce, and the only permanent side effect has
> been the long standing policy of disabling the "battery health"
> capabilities which have been in effect with 3rd party batteries since
> late 2017.
yep. the battery will work perfectly fine, however, the health status
>
> This complaint happens onnce, and the only permanent side effect has
> been the long standing policy of disabling the "battery health"
> capabilities which have been in effect with 3rd party batteries since
> late 2017.
is disabled because it could be a knockoff battery which is lying about
its health.
> The marketing reasoning: the battery health software looks at the
> history of a battery to deterkine how much it has degraded. Change the
> battery and all of a sudden, tthe old battery's history can't be used to
> determine the new battery's health so the phone refuses to give you the
> info.
guarantee that the battery is genuine and not a knockoff clone.
Arlen _G_ Holder
Oct 14, 2019, 8:33:01 PM10/14/19
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 19:33:32 -0400, JF Mezei wrote:
> It isn't secret.
Hi JF Mezei,
Can you let us know what fact you based your belief system upon?
Since you're not an apologist, an entirely adult conversation is possible.
As you're aware, the entire post you responded to, was verbatim, where the
word "secret" was used in the news article, and which you clearly object
to.
Bearing in mind even the German Enigma is no longer secret, simply because
the news reported, it, the question is whether Apple reported it to the
users before the news reported it.
For example, as I'm sure you're aware, Apple did NOT report the secret
throttling in the first place (where Apple's CEO was caught lying that they
did, but they secretly modified the release notes well after the fact, and
even then, it was so generic that only Jolly Roger, of all people on the
planet, knew EXACTLY what Apple was doing by what they wrote after the fact
in the release notes).
As another example, I'm sure you're aware the secret throttling of the PD
chargers which occurred AFTER the iPhone 11 shipped, is another case of
very many where Apple secretly degrades iPhone performance after the fact.
Since you are not generally considered to be an Apple apologist, I would
expect that your belief system is that of an adult, which means your belief
system is based on at least one fact that Apple, themselves, reported this,
before it made its way into the news.
Can you let us know what fact you based your belief system upon?
> It isn't secret.
Hi JF Mezei,
Can you let us know what fact you based your belief system upon?
Since you're not an apologist, an entirely adult conversation is possible.
As you're aware, the entire post you responded to, was verbatim, where the
word "secret" was used in the news article, and which you clearly object
to.
Bearing in mind even the German Enigma is no longer secret, simply because
the news reported, it, the question is whether Apple reported it to the
users before the news reported it.
For example, as I'm sure you're aware, Apple did NOT report the secret
throttling in the first place (where Apple's CEO was caught lying that they
did, but they secretly modified the release notes well after the fact, and
even then, it was so generic that only Jolly Roger, of all people on the
planet, knew EXACTLY what Apple was doing by what they wrote after the fact
in the release notes).
As another example, I'm sure you're aware the secret throttling of the PD
chargers which occurred AFTER the iPhone 11 shipped, is another case of
very many where Apple secretly degrades iPhone performance after the fact.
Since you are not generally considered to be an Apple apologist, I would
expect that your belief system is that of an adult, which means your belief
system is based on at least one fact that Apple, themselves, reported this,
before it made its way into the news.
Can you let us know what fact you based your belief system upon?
Arlen _G_ Holder
Oct 17, 2019, 12:13:19 AM10/17/19
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On Mon, 14 Oct 2019 20:13:54 -0400, nospam wrote:
> nope. the reason is because there's no way for non-authorized techs to
> guarantee that the battery is genuine and not a knockoff clone.
What's shocking, nospam, is that you always apologize for Apple decisions.
> nope. the reason is because there's no way for non-authorized techs to
> guarantee that the battery is genuine and not a knockoff clone.
Does _any_ Android manufacturer pull this registration stunt Apple pulls?
Arlen Holder
Nov 23, 2019, 6:56:29 AM11/23/19
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*It's clearly _not_ a safety issue if no Android manufacturer feels the
intense need to incessantly screw the customer like Apple is infamous for
doing to its (admittedly) loyal (but gullible) customer base*.
o Is there an Android manufacturer who employs the customer unfriendly repair practices that Apple foists upon its loyal customer base?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/vE9fFSUVBeU>
REFERENCES:
o Shame on Apple
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/RuNJppbZ_o8>
o Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max and iPhone XR
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/OqOM4rY-oNY/LgnoNuE9DQAJ>
o Even if a genuine Apple display is used by your repairer, you will receive the warning messages based on the price of the tools repairers used
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/5Ge0WpaDjjM/_tOmfOA9DQAJ>
o Finally Apple reverses policy ... allows repair of iPhone w 3rd-party battery
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_mmzNV73MuU/SItGkCFPAAAJ>
It's clearly NOT a safety issue if Android makers don't do it.
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Apologists lack logic & reason when they incessantly apologize for Apple.
intense need to incessantly screw the customer like Apple is infamous for
doing to its (admittedly) loyal (but gullible) customer base*.
o Is there an Android manufacturer who employs the customer unfriendly repair practices that Apple foists upon its loyal customer base?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/vE9fFSUVBeU>
REFERENCES:
o Shame on Apple
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/RuNJppbZ_o8>
o Apple is activating secret software inside the iPhone XS, iPhone XS Max and iPhone XR
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/OqOM4rY-oNY/LgnoNuE9DQAJ>
o Even if a genuine Apple display is used by your repairer, you will receive the warning messages based on the price of the tools repairers used
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/5Ge0WpaDjjM/_tOmfOA9DQAJ>
o Finally Apple reverses policy ... allows repair of iPhone w 3rd-party battery
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_mmzNV73MuU/SItGkCFPAAAJ>
It's clearly NOT a safety issue if Android makers don't do it.
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Apologists lack logic & reason when they incessantly apologize for Apple.
Arlen Holder
Feb 25, 2020, 9:12:28 AM2/25/20
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UPDATES:
See also larger thread on the same topic of Apple repair policies
o Independent repair shops disappointed with Apple's repair programs
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qIXtCvV2Wtc>
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You don't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent people.
See also larger thread on the same topic of Apple repair policies
o Independent repair shops disappointed with Apple's repair programs
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/qIXtCvV2Wtc>
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You don't make those ungodly profit margins off of intelligent people.
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