Why do apologists like Alan Baker & nospam desperately try to shift the blame of Apple bugs to Google & Microsoft?

[Arlen Holder]

Adult observation on the psychology of Apple apologists on this ng...
The adult question is why are apologists so clearly desperate to shift
blame away from Apple for bugs which are _only_ on the Apple ecosystem?

Often, when Apple bugs are discussed, why do the Apple apologists (like
Alan Baker & nospam) _immediately_ and incessantly brazenly attempt to
shift the bug over to Google or Microsoft?

Alan Baker did it again just now today.
o New Character Bug in Messages Causing iOS Devices to Crash
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk/oYytjsnpBAAJ>

As you know, I have been observing Apple apologists for many years.
o Hence I ask a simple but important adult question based on what they do.

*Why are apologists so _desperate_ to shift bug blame away from Apple?*
--
Why do the apologists use the same MARKETING tactics that Apple uses?

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-04-29 12:48 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> Adult observation on the psychology of Apple apologists on this ng...
>  The adult question is why are apologists so clearly desperate to shift
>  blame away from Apple for bugs which are _only_ on the Apple ecosystem?

I have at no time attempted to shift blame for anything Apple has ever
done to anyone else.

>
> Often, when Apple bugs are discussed, why do the Apple apologists (like
> Alan Baker & nospam) _immediately_ and incessantly brazenly attempt to
> shift the bug over to Google or Microsoft?

That has literally never happened, liar.

What has happened is an examination of your motivations.

And the fact that you've made this post rather than actually post a
single time where you have every mentioned a bug that Android or Windows
has had, tells us all we need to know.

Why did you never mention this bug, Arlen:

'An exploit published by a developer is easy to use and has already been
used to build malicious apps that gain root access on Android devices.

Google has addressed a high-severity flaw in MediaTek’s Command Queue
driver that developers said affects millions of devices – and which has
an exploit already circulating in the wild.

Also in its March 2020 Android Security bulletin, issued this week,
Google disclosed and patched a critical security vulnerability in the
Android media framework, which could enable remote code execution within
the context of a privileged process.'

<https://threatpost.com/mediatek-bug-actively-exploited-android/153408/>

You castigate Apple for this, right?

So where is your "fact-based" post about this?

[Arlen Holder]

For factual reference, here is a cite to the original post:
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk>
(Note it's simply a sentence cut verbatim from MacRumors.)

And here is the Apple apologists _only_ response to that bug:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk/oYytjsnpBAAJ>

Here is a verbatim paste of the entirety of the apologist's response:
"*And where have you ever reported on similar bugs*
*in other companies' products?*"

These are facts anyone can replicate in the public record.
o Hence these facts can't be denied by any adult.

Hence, having studied apologists for years, the question is apropos:

*Why are apologists so _desperate_ to shift bug blame away from Apple?*

BTW, I think I know why; but most of you probably don't have a clue.
HINT: It has _everything_ to do with the psychology of apologists.
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Why do the apologists employ the same MARKETING tactics Apple uses?

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-04-29 1:10 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> For factual reference, here is a cite to the original post:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk>
>
> (Note it's simply a sentence cut verbatim from MacRumors.)
>
> And here is the Apple apologists _only_ response to that bug:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk/oYytjsnpBAAJ>
>
>
> Here is a verbatim paste of the entirety of the apologist's response:
> "*And where have you ever reported on similar bugs*  *in other
> companies' products?*"

And what you've posted shows your bias, Liar.

>
> These are facts anyone can replicate in the public record.
> o Hence these facts can't be denied by any adult.
>
> Hence, having studied apologists for years, the question is apropos:
> *Why are apologists so _desperate_ to shift bug blame away from Apple?*

It's a lie that anyone has even tried to do that, Liar.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-04-29 1:10 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

> For factual reference, here is a cite to the original post:
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk>
>
> (Note it's simply a sentence cut verbatim from MacRumors.)
>
> And here is the Apple apologists _only_ response to that bug:
> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/_Ga2l3XO0qk/oYytjsnpBAAJ>
>
>
> Here is a verbatim paste of the entirety of the apologist's response:
> "*And where have you ever reported on similar bugs*  *in other
> companies' products?*"
>
> These are facts anyone can replicate in the public record.
> o Hence these facts can't be denied by any adult.
>
> Hence, having studied apologists for years, the question is apropos:
> *Why are apologists so _desperate_ to shift bug blame away from Apple?*

Liar.

[Arlen Holder]

Yet again, just now, the apologists _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple...
o For Apple bugs.

It's their gut reaction to _any_ serious bugs found in Apple code.
o This deflection game is a key tenet of all MARKETING propaganda ploys.

Blame anyone but Apple...
o For Apple's poor decisions.

Case in point:
o Pervasive Mac bug causes HEIC files imported from iOS devices
and converted to JPG to contain more than 1.5MB of empty data
appended to the end of each file
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/setAWNgVaz8>

To which the _first_ response from "Geoff" is to blame Google & Microsoft!
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/setAWNgVaz8/tBw0Vg_5AAAJ>

Verbatim:
"There are far more and more serious bugs in all Windows, Microsoft,
and Android-based software and hardware."

Notice apologists _instantly_ blame Microsoft & Google for Apple bugs!
o The question is why?

After studying the apologists for a decade, I think I know why.

It took me a long time to figure out _why_ apologists always instantly
blame everyone but Apple for bugs that have nothing to do with Google or
Microsoft.

HINT: The apologists _hate_ that Apple never is what MARKETING said it was.
--
Apologists gravitate to protecting Apple because they bought into the
MARKETING spiel and they feel they must defend Apple's poor design choices.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-05-03 5:04 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> Yet again, just now, the apologists _instantly_ blame everyone but Apple...
> o For Apple bugs.

Nope.

You're simply lying, Liar.

[гость]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@any1example.com> wrote:
> Notice apologists _instantly_ blame Microsoft & Google for Apple bugs!

Why don’t you go fuck a bull up the ass?? Then maybe you’ll finally see the
bullshit. With a little luck he’ll kick your dumb ass into the
thermosphere.

--
Я гость в отеле

[Arlen Holder]

*IMPORTANT adult insight for the permanent Usenet record to preserve*


While Apple apologists have infested certain Usenet newsgroups
for decades, they're clearly not like normal adults, much as the lemon
juice bank robber Dunning & Kruger studied was not like a normal adult.

While Dunning & Kruger determined there was a little bit of the lemon juice
bank robber in everyone (i.e., they graphed personal skills assessment
against displayed skills and found four regions for all human beings)...

I chose to begin studying these strange Apple apologists years ago...
o Where only years later do I begin to understand their brains.

It's not just that they're fantastically stupid - which they are...
o Nor just that they're shockingly childish - which they are...

Lots of people (particularly on Usenet) are stupid & childish.
o But these apologists are _more_ than just childish & stupid.

Far more.
o The difference has to do with PT Barnum and Apple MARKETING.

They _believe_ so much in the MARKETING that they _hate_ the truth.
o That's why they call all facts about Apple "lies by Liars".

They believe in MARKETING so much that they _hate_ themselves...
o That's why they blame everyone but Apple for Apple flaws.

What they are telling us when they blame everyone but Apple...
o Is that they hate that Apple is the _same_ as everyone else.

Think about the wisdom in that observation...
--
Apologists are who they are because of their own hatred of themselves.

[Alan Baker]

When you tell us that people are "blaming everyone but Apple"...

...you're a liar.

[Arlen Holder]

> Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
> Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.

Hi Ant,

This is an important, adult, deep, & salient observation of Apple owners.

I think I know why Apple owners always blame everyone but Apple...
o Each and every time Apple turns out to be exactly what Apple is!

This shift-the-blame game doesn't happen on Android newsgroups...
o It doesn't happen on Linux newsgroups, nor on Windows newsgroups.

Only on Apple newsgroups do people incessantly blame everyone but Apple
o When they find out facts about what Apple themselves is

I've studied Apple owners for quite some time, where I ask, for example
while waiting in lines, _why_ people own their iPhone, and I almost always
ascertain from their answers that they're completely bamboozled, saying...
o "it just works"
o "it's stylish"
o "who wants viruses?"
etc.

Notice the facts show they are completely bamboozled, as shown when I ask
them even the _simplest_ of facts (just as I do here), they draw a blank.

All they know is the MARKETING...
o Nothing else.

MARKETING is _that_ powerful.

It's not just Apple owners, by the way, as I ask everyone at Costco buying
a case of Techron why, and those buying Octane Boosters in the auto parts
stores why, and those buying Premium Gasoline at the pump, why, etc.

Almost always, I ascertain that most people are bamboozled by MARKETING.
o They wouldn't know an iso octane from 2,2,4,tri-methyl pentane.
o They wouldn't know a Tier I polyetheramine from Chevron's Techron.

They're completely bamboozled by Marketing.
o Which is _why_ you Apple people always blame everyone else (IMHO).

Notice on the Windows newsgroup nobody is bamboozled by Microsoft!
o We all know what Microsoft is.

Notice on the Android newsgroup, nobody is bamboozled by Google!
o We all know what Google is.

Notice on the Linux newsgroup, nobody blames Apple for Linux flaws!
o We all know what Linux is.

It's only on the Apple newsgroups that people don't know what Apple is.
o So they blame everyone else whenever Apple turns out to be what it is.
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This is an important, adult, deep, & salient observation of Apple owners.

[Arlen Holder]

On 2020-06-03 11:03 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
>> Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
>> Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.
>
> Hi Ant,
>
> This is an important, adult, deep, & salient observation of Apple owners.

No... ...it's not.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 02 Jun 2020 20:11:55 -0500, Ant wrote:

> Does anyone even test sufficiently these days? :(

Hi Ant,

Since you're not an apologist, an adult conversation can ensue.

Notice you bring up "anyone", which is _always_ what Apple lovers do
whenever it's found out that Apple is just like everyone else.

Yet, you must be aware I'm on the other OS newsgroups, namely Windows,
Linux, and Android, who _never_ bring up Apple when I report OS issues.

It's _critical_ for you to notice this, since it's _key_ to how Apple
people are bamboozled, without even knowing that they're bamboozled.

It's a rather deep doublethink, which, you probably won't even recognize
since you're "inside" the cocoon by being an Apple lover, almost certainly
unduly swayed by marketing.

You can't have it both ways though, and that's why Apple lovers are
_different_ than Android, Linux, or Windows users.

Apple lovers want to have it both ways:
1. They want to believe the MARKETING that Apple is, somehow, different.
2. And yet, _every_ time they are forced, themselves, to realize they're
the same.

Literally you said it yourself.
o You just don't realize it.

It's classic doublethink by people who are bamboozled, unknowingly, by
MARKETING.

Bear in mind, NOBODY blames Apple when Microsoft, Linux, or Android has a
flaw (of which there are many indeed, no doubt about it).

But _those_ users aren't bamboozled to think they're different.
o Only the Apple users are bamboozled.

Rest assured I'm not chastising you since you're simply exhibiting what
_all_ the people on this newsgroup exhibit; I'm just asking you to think
about _why_ you bring up everyone else, when _nobody_ brings up Apple when
the flaws are shown on the other newsgroups.

As you know, I've studied Apple users ever since they cruelly sent me on
fruitless wild-goose chases, and they claimed, incessantly, that
functionality existed which simply didn't exist.

For years I've been trying to figure out the Apple user...
o And I think I finally have figured all of you out.

You're not malicious, Ant.
o But think about why you bring up the other OS's when they don't do it
about Apple.

What's different?
o Hint: You actually _believed_ Apple marketing (who bamboozled you).
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This is a deep and thoughtful discussion which I hope you think about, Ant.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 16:30:20 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> o *Yet again, Microsoft didn't test its Windows software*
>
> ftfy

Regarding this post moments ago by the Type I apologist, nospam:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.os.linux/PLzFxNis7jk/-FMVb83CCAAJ>

Regarding these new bugs Apple clearly never tested for in many years!
o *Yet again, Apple didn't test its Windows software*
*for longstanding common vulnerabilities*
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.comp.freeware/JVI-6A3ko38>
in...
o Is there any functionality the iTunes abomination does, for a dual-boot
Win/Ubuntu PC that can't be done, better, WITHOUT iTunes?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.os.linux/PLzFxNis7jk>

By now, we can predict every move by Apple apologists such as nospam
o Simply because they have only 7 responses to facts they don't like
(none of them adult)

For the permanent Usenet record, notice nospam pulled the classic Apple
apologists' move of blaming everyone but Apple for Apple's faults.

Doublespeak
1. On the one hand, they claim "Apple is better", and, yet,
2. When they see the truth, they respond "Apple is the same as Microsoft".

o Why do apologists desperately try to shift the blame of Apple bugs
to Google & Microsoft?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/LOQx1Ok-79c>

Basically, nobody on the Windows groups is bamboozled by Microsoft
o Hence, nobody blames Apple when Microsoft ships a vulnerability.

And yet, almost always, Apple users are completely bamboozled by Apple
o Such that they try to have it both ways
(a) Apple is better than Microsoft, and yet,
(b) When facts are told, they claim Apple is the same as Microsoft.

While nospam doesn't believe a word he says, this is the typical Apple
response to blame anyone but Apple for Apple's own faults.
o Nobody on Ubuntu blamed Apple for Canonical's faults
o Nobody on Android blames Apple for Google's faults
o Nobody on Windows blames Microsoft for Apple's faults.

It's _only_ the Apple Apologists who blame everyone but Apple
o For faults that are clearly Apple's faults.

To wit...

*Yet again, it's a death sentence for PC security to load Apple software*
o Simply because Apple has _never_ sufficiently tested their software

HINT: Apple users actually _believe_ the MARKETING hype.
o Whereas, for example, Windows users are smarter than that.
--
There's a good reason Apple MARKETING spend is the highest in all of high
tech, and yet, Apple R&D spend is the absolute _lowest_ in all high tech!

[Arlen Holder]

*nospam literally _blames_ Android for everything he _hates_ about Apple!*

Yet again, as nospam did with headphone jacks, nospam _blames_ Android for
everything that he _hates_ about Apple (i.e., Apple never is what Apple
says it is, and nospam _hates_ that fact so much, he blames Google for it!)

This is the thread where nospam blames Android for Apple's decision to
cheap out on putting the basic accessories in a "premium" phone box:
o [NEWS] Apple launches iPhone 12, by Your Name
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/1VINh4oE34k>

This is the simple test of nospam's constant blame of everyone but Apple
for Apple's own decisions (which go against what Apple says but which prove
what Apple is)...

o Which recent 2019 & 2020 Android phones do NOT come with a charger in the
box (that are in the price range of an iPhone)?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/-FSFIHYbs3o>
--
Normal people hear what Apple says, but they also _see_ what Apple does

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-10-18 10:19 a.m., Arlen Holder wrote:

Absolutely nothing worth reading.

:-)

[Arlen Holder]

Update:

Nospam did it again just moments ago.

These apologists _blame_ everyone but Apple for Apple's decisions
o (to deflect you from what Apple does)

FACTS:
1. Brazil says Apple will void your warranty if you don't buy a _new_
charger and if your old (Apple) charger damages your iPhone 12
(which doesn't come with a charger so that you have to buy it).

2. Nospam instantly _blames_ Samsung!
Yup. See the thread.
Even though _zero_ Android phones (including Samsung) do what Apple did.

3. Yet again, it's proof these apologists blame everyone but Apple
for Apple's own choice (which is always to _remove_ functionality
so that the consumer is _forced_ to buy it back (otherwise Apple
said to Brazil they will void the consumers' iPhone 12 warranty).

Proof here today, moments ago:
o Want a charger with your iPhone 12? Move to Brazil.
Want Earpods with your iPhone 12? Move to France.
by sms (Dec 6, 2020)
<https://groups.google.com/g/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/c/qu_RTwBgsf8>
--
This nospam will _always_ take on the position of Apple MARKETING to the death.

[Alan Baker]

On 2020-12-07 8:31 p.m., Arlen Holder wrote:
> Update:
>
> Nospam did it again just moments ago.

And this has what do do with me... ...how?

>
> These apologists _blame_ everyone but Apple for Apple's decisions
> o (to deflect you from what Apple does)
>
> FACTS:
> 1. Brazil says Apple will void your warranty if you don't buy a _new_
> charger and if your old (Apple) charger damages your iPhone 12
> (which doesn't come with a charger so that you have to buy it).

Cite, please!

[Carl Keehn]

Better still, why do you persist in trolling the group, since you
clearly have such a dislike of Apple products.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 06:11:32 -0500, Carl Keehn wrote:

> Better still, why do you persist in trolling the group, since you
> clearly have such a dislike of Apple products.

Hi "Carl Keehn",

You're "new", to me, so I'll simply give you the benefit of the doubt
o Even as it's child's play to prove you utterly sure of your ignorance.

Thank you for your strongly held yet clearly incorrect assessment of facts.
o I own and purchase _plenty_ of Apple products (mostly as gifts).

I, myself, own three iPads, which has been proven time & again on this ng.
o I use them to _test_ the incessant fabrications by apologists, in fact.

And, I admire Apple MARKETING more than any other on the planet, "Carl".
o Everyone who is anyone knows this to be a fact based on plenty of proof.

What's interesting is you think you're so smart, "Carl Keehn",
o And you think you're so sure of yourself, "Carl Keehn"...

Yet... any _adult_ should be able to comprehend the _SUBJECT_ line, Carl.
o Look at the _SUBJECT_ line, Carl...

Yes... That line.
o The SUBJECT line, Carl.

What does that _SUBJECT_ line say, Carl?
o Cmon... you can do it.

You can do it Carl... I know you can.
o What does that SUBJECT line say, Carl?
--
What shocks me is how ignorant this Carl character clearly proved to be.

[Alan Browne]

On 2020-12-08 06:11, Carl Keehn wrote:

> Better still, why do you persist in trolling the group, since you
> clearly have such a dislike of Apple products.

Some are only satisfied with self gratification. Often it's all they're
capable of.

Why many of us have simply decided to ignore it.

[Arlen Holder]

On Tue, 8 Dec 2020 20:17:28 -0500, Alan Browne wrote:

> Some are only satisfied with self gratification. Often it's all they're
> capable of.
>
> Why many of us have simply decided to ignore it.

Facts are clearly _dangerous_ to this Type II apologist, Alan Browne.
o Facts instantly DESTROY the entire imaginary belief system

Much like flat earthers, apologists like Alan simply ignore all facts.
o Remaining ignorant of facts is how they maintain their belief system.

The apologists are _desperate_ to shift the blame to anyone but Apple.
o Proof of that fact is the entire purpose of this thread.

Which, even if Alan Browne ignores the facts...
o The fact is, the facts _are_ facts, and hence, they remain facts.
--
Apologists like Alan Browne summarily ignore facts in order to maintain
their imaginary belief systems intact, much like flat earthers do.