iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro battery and RAM capacity revealed

[Arlen Holder]

iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro battery and RAM capacity revealed
o Apple iPhone 11 - 4GB RAM & 3,110 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro - 6GB RAM & 3,190 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max - 6GB RAM & 3,500 mAh battery
<https://mspoweruser.com/iphone-11-and-iphone-11-pro-battery-and-ram-capacity-revealed/>
"While premium Android flagships has started offering 12GB of RAM, Apple
has just started offering 6GB RAM in their flagships. Even though you can
claim that iOS does better RAM management, having half the capacity of RAM
when compared to Android flagships is really a bad thing."

"As Android flagships started including massive amounts of battery to
improve the overall battery life, battery life of iPhones looked really
bad. For example, the iPhone XS offered around iPhone 14 hours of 3G
talktime when compared to massive 21 hours on Samsung Galaxy S10."

"With the new generation of iPhones announced early this week, Apple has
included significantly large battery capacity to improve the battery life.
For example, the iPhone 11 now offers up to 17 hours of video playback. The
iPhone 11 Pro offers up to 18 hours of video playback and the iPhone 11 Pro
Max offers up to 20 hours of video playback."

--
NOTE: My Samsung Galaxy S3 was fitted with 7,100 mAh of battery capacity
(which only cost an additional twenty bucks with tax, at that time).

[nospam]

In article <qlh7jh$4tk$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> "While premium Android flagships has started offering 12GB of RAM, Apple
> has just started offering 6GB RAM in their flagships. Even though you can
> claim that iOS does better RAM management,

because it does.

> having half the capacity of RAM
> when compared to Android flagships is really a bad thing."

it isn't bad, since ios doesn't have the overhead of android's vm.

even last year's iphones, with even less memory, runs rings around
those 12 gig android phones.

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 19:15:21 -0400, nospam wrote:

> even last year's iphones, with even less memory, runs rings around
> those 12 gig android phones.

Hi nospam,

FACTS:

Nothing Apple says can ever be believed once you comprehend the fact nobody
on this planet has ever reliably reproduced Apple's bogus battery life
claims.

In addition, nothing Apple says about performance can ever again be
believed once you comprehend the fact Apple felt an intense need to
secretly throttle billions of iPhones (emphasis on secret) due to
instabilities based on the inherent sloppy design of the iPhone and its
battery as a system overall.

Hence, with Apple, one always needs a reliable FACTUAL starting point.
o That is, only a fool STARTS with Apple's bogus battery life claims.

What's a good reliable factual starting point outside Apple's bogus claims?

As a reliable STARTING point, we can look at Apple's initial battery
capacity & RAM claims (where, luckily, these initial claims are not
generally shown to be bogus claim from Apple based on their record to
date).

INITIAL BATTERY CAPACITY (new, before mandatory throttling):
o Apple iPhone 11: 3,110 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro: 3,190 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max: 3,500 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone XS: 2,658 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone XS Max: 3,174 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone XR: 2,942 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone X: 2,716 mAh battery (original)
o Apple iPhone 8: 1,821 mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 8 Plus: 2,675 mAh battery.
o Apple iPhone 7: 1,960mAh battery
o Apple iPhone 7 Plus: 2,900mAh battery.
<https://www.howtogeek.com/367237/why-the-iphone-xr-has-the-best-battery-life-of-the-new-iphone-x-series/>
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-xs-xs-max-xr-specs-battery-size-ram-details-revealed-in-new-filings/>

RAM SPECS: (where 12GB is normal for Android flagship phones)
o Apple iPhone 11: 4GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro: 6GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max: 6GB RAM
o Apple iPhone XS: 4GB RAM
o Apple iPhone XS Max: 4GB RAM
o Apple iPhone XR: 3GB RAM
o Apple iPhone X: 3GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 8: 2GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 8 Plus: 3GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 7: 2GB RAM
o Apple iPhone 7 Plus: 3GB RAM
<https://www.idropnews.com/news/iphone-x-specs-revealed-3gb-ram-large-2715mah-battery/50857/>
<https://www.zdnet.com/article/iphone-xs-xs-max-xr-specs-battery-size-ram-details-revealed-in-new-filings/>
<https://www.phonedog.com/2017/09/14/iphone-8-iphone-8-plus-ram-battery-size-revealed>

[nospam]

In article <qlhb5h$af4$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

>
> Nothing I say can ever be believed

ftfy

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 20:23:49 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ftfy

Hi nospam,

Adults have an adult response to facts - even facts they don't like.
o It's interesting how childish apologists are when confronted with facts.

Notice the FACTS in multiple reliable assessments that the "huge disparity"
between flagship iOS & Android devices vastly overwhelms and therefore
completely negates any theoretical advantage the iOs devices might have in
RAM management.

FACTS:
o Android vs iOS: how different is their RAM management?
<https://www.androidpit.com/android-vs-ios-ram-management>

"The first thing that [Gary Smith] found was, on restarting both
devices, the iPhone 7 used more RAM than the Nexus 5X. This effectively
disproves the myth that "Android uses more memory than iOS"."

"Basically, the RAM usage and management on both operational systems is
quite similar and efficient. The only major differences between these two
is how each platform decides to manage app behavior in the background."

"Both systems use different, but equally intelligent, ways of dealing
with the same limitations."

"A good operational system doesn't have free RAM, but available RAM. It
knows how to manage its RAM for things like cache storage when you reuse an
app, it will quickly open to the last screen that you were on. This doesn't
mean that it doesn't have free memory, which by itself is basically
meaningless, since the system will always use RAM to relocate data. This
efficiency is seen as much in iOS as in Android."

"Coming back to the comparison between the RAM usage on Android and
iOS, after restarting the devices the iPhone 7 had 730 MB of memory
available whereas the Nexus 5X still had 840 MB of its total 2 GB."

"Looking at the result, a difference of RAM usage by apps developed for
Android does exist, but it does not justify, for example, the huge
disparity between the amount of RAM on the iPhone 7 and the Zenfone 3
Deluxe, which can be up to 4 GB."

FACTS:
o Does Android use more memory than iOS? – Gary explains
<https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE>

[nospam]

In article <qlhdbp$dma$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

>
> Adults have an adult response to facts - even facts they don't like.

further proof you are not an adult

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 21:49:37 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Adults have an adult response to facts - even facts they don't like.
>
> further proof you are not an adult

What's always been interesting about you apologists, nospam
o Is that you apologists have absolutely no adult response to facts.

FACTS:

o The iOS device user MORE RAM than an Android device, when freshly booted:
<https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE?t=210>

Note that not only does iOS use MORE RAM - but it comes with far less!

FACTS.

[nospam]

In article <qlhk8k$p5r$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> o The iOS device user MORE RAM than an Android device, when freshly booted:

it doesn't, and freshly booted means nothing and only lasts for a few
seconds anyway, when the user launches apps. not only that, but devices
are very rarely rebooted.

> <https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE?t=210>

he's clueless about a lot of things, but regardless, he claims 840 mb
available on android (although his utility shows 848) and ios has 740
mb, but doesn't show how he determined that on ios, but a difference of
100 mb out of 2 gig is negligible anyway.

<https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE?t=185>

you obviously didn't watch the entire video, in particular where he
shows how much memory various apps use. all but one android app needs
more, with youtube on android needing *triple* the amount of memory as
on ios.
<https://youtu.be/lCFpgknkqRE?t=400>

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:06:12 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> o The iOS device user MORE RAM than an Android device, when freshly booted:
>
> it doesn't,

Hi nospam,

I can tell you apologists lack formal education in that you brazenly refute
known facts without a single reliable balanced cite to back up your claims.

o Android vs iOS: how different is their RAM management?
<https://www.androidpit.com/android-vs-ios-ram-management>

You wouldn't last a week in graduate school or in the Silicon Valley given
the fact that a coin toss is more reliably accurate than you are.

o Does Android use more memory than iOS? – Gary explains

<https://www.androidauthority.com/android-ios-ram-memory-usage-744848/>

While Apple marketing is (admittedly) brilliant at making bogus claims of
memory management (just like they are at bogus claims of security), we
already proved two things of import, nospam (with facts & cites).

1. The laughably paltry RAM in iOS devices is DWARFED by flagship Androids.
2. Apple's bogus memory management claims of Apple are marketing bullshit.

In the aggregate (just like with security), memory management is...
o About the same

Where what matters is the FACT that iOS devices have a laughably paltry
amount of RAM which is hugely DWARFED by flagship Android devices in the
final analysis - taking into account memory management differences (of
which Apple only cherry picks as they do with security & privacy).

> he's clueless about a lot of things,

Hehhehheh....

When you don't like facts - you simply deny them ... sans a shred of
evidence on your part.

The facts are clear that even the most horrifically expensive iOS device
has laughably paltry RAM compared to flagship Android devices where all
your bogus cherry-picked claims of better memory management are not only
false in the aggregate (just like Apple's bogus claims of security are),
but the fact remains.
o Laughably paltry RAM on any iOS device is dwarfed by flagship Androids.

You don't like facts, nospam...
o But the fact apologists hate facts doesn't make facts not facts, nospam.

[nospam]

In article <qlitkk$tsn$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> When I don't like facts - I simply deny them ...

ftfy

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 11:45:33 -0400, nospam wrote:

> ftfy

FACT:

Gary Sims proved:
o Memory management - despite Apple's bogus bullshit - is about the same.
o Android flagship memory astoundingly DWARFS laughably paltry iOS RAM.

Notice that some apps in iOS use more memory, some in Android use more
o With the difference averaging out to only about 6% according to tests

And yet, the most horrifically expensive iOS devices
o Have a laughably paltry amount of RAM compared to flagship Androids!

Google flagships have 100% more RAM than the most expensive iOS device!
o You don't like facts nospam - but fact are still facts.

What's amazing is you apologists always prove to act like children when
confronted with facts that you hate - since you hate all facts that don't
fit perfectly into the wholly imaginary belief system Apple feeds you.

In the aggregate (just like with security), iOS/Android memory management
o is...about the same (i.e., at best, six percent on average)

Despite the bogus bullshit Apple marketing (brilliantly) cherry picks.

Where what matters is the simple FACT that iOS devices have a laughably
paltry amount of RAM which is easily and hugely DWARFED by flagship Android
devices.

o Does Android use more memory than iOS? – Gary explains

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCFpgknkqRE>

FACT:
o Memory management - despite Apple bullshit - is about the same.
o Android flagship memory astoundingly DWARFS laughably paltry iOS RAM.

You don't like facts nospam - because facts aren't what Apple feeds you
o But the fact you don't like facts doesn't change the fact they're facts.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 17:19:46 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> Google flagships have 100% more RAM than the most expensive iOS device!
> o You don't like facts nospam - but fact are still facts.

Correction, since you Apologists play silly childish semantic games...

_Android_ flagships have 100% more RAM than the most expensive iOS device!

[nospam]

In article <qlj7fh$f9s$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> Gary Sims proved:

nothing, nor have you.

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 13:51:00 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> Gary Sims proved:
>
> nothing, nor have you.

It's interesting that Apologists have no adult defense to facts.

Why?
o I don't know why.

I suspect it's because you believe all the bogus marketing Apple feeds you.

The facts prove that iOS often uses MORE RAM than Android
o And, the fact prove Android often uses more RAM than iOS

Such that, at bootup, iOS uses a LOT more RAM than Android
o But on the average, all things considered, Android uses a puny bit more

Where Apple makes hugely bogus claims cherry picking their statistics
o Which you Apologists believe simply because you believe in bogus bullshit

Where the facts are simple and easily bolstered with cites:
a. Memory management is "about the same" on iOS & Android devices
b. Flagship Android devices ASTOUNDINGLY DWARF the laughably paltry iOS RAM

Admittedly, Apple Marketing (brilliantly) makes excuses for that paltry RAM
o The new horrifically expensive iOS devices have laughably paltry RAM.

And that's a fact you just don't like nospam.
o But the fact you hate facts doesn't change the fact they're facts.

HINT: What Apple creates ... is MARKETING of imaginary functionality!
(which works great on many people).

o Apple is playing catch-up. New iPhones won't help
<https://cnnphilippines.com/business/2019/9/11/Apple-iPhone.html>
"Apple has been largely a one-trick pony, although it's a darn good
trick that has garnered the company a valuation of about $1 trillion."

[nospam]

In article <qlj9nh$jal$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> o I don't know anything.

ftfy

[Arlen Holder]

On Sat, 14 Sep 2019 14:43:45 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> o I don't know anything.
>
> ftfy

Hi nospam,

You always act like a child when you're faced with facts.
o You hate the fact Apple begrudgingly gives you a paltry amount of RAM

And yet, the facts remain:
o Apple & Android use about the same amount of RAM overall
o Where, sometimes, Apple uses more & sometimes Android uses more
o With the average being at a puny 6% difference overall

Taking that puny 6% into account...
o Android flagships have 194% the RAM of Apple's super expensive flagship!

FACTS.

[nospam]

In article <qlu87g$doq$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@arlinghlder.edu> wrote:

> I always act like a child

ftfy

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 20 Sep 2019 08:48:56 -0400, nospam wrote:

> the first android phone, which came out *eleven* years ago, did not
> have an analog headphone jack,

Hi badgolferman,

Be careful of the bullshit that nospam consistently spews.
o His claim only applies to an infinitesimally puny percentage of devices

The fact is we proved, long ago, fewer than 1/2 of 1% of all Android phones
o Lacked this basic headphone jack functionality

o How many of the existing Android phones lack headphone jack basic hardware functionality?
o<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/ZjnD2kAf-mI/I3i2jT-mCAAJ>

Where nospam participated in that thread
o So either nospam doesn't remember facts or he conveniently forgets them.

Just like we recently proved nospam was full of shit on iOS RAM efficiency
o iPhone 11 and iPhone 11 Pro battery and RAM capacity revealed
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/BsFrAwd_jDo>

What nospam does is what Apple Marketing does - which is cherry pick
o He uses an infinitesimally puny set of examples (of 1/2 of 1 percent!)

And then brazenly makes his claims (based on that 1/2 of 1 percent)!

Which, you have to admit, is a common trait of the Apple apologists
o What are the common well-verified psychological traits of the Apple Apologists on this newsgroup?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/18ARDsEOPzM>

[Arlen Holder]

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 23:09:38 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:

> o Apple iPhone 11 Pro Max - 6GB RAM & 3,500 mAh battery

o iFixIt iPhone 11 Pro Max Teardown
<https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/ifixits-iphone-11-pro-max-teardown-finds-larger-battery-4gb-of-ram/>

"As has become an annual custom, iFixit tore down the latest iPhoneĄXin
this case, the iPhone 11 Pro MaxĄXto see what has changed inside Apple's
flagship device. The site found that the phone has 4GB of RAM, a 3969mAh
battery that adopts the L-shaped design for the first time in a Max phone,
and an improved thermal management system."

"Also intriguing: "We have a secondary battery connector for the first
time ever in an iPhone, plugging in directly adjacent to the wireless
charging coil. We're not sure what Apple was up to here.""