How to use Windows to populate your Android phone with hundreds of apps without ever enabling Google Play (or F-Droid)

[Arlen Holder]

How to use Windows to populate your new Android phone with hundreds of free
apps without ever enabling Google Play (or F-Droid) on the new Android
phone.

Please test and improve so that everyone benefits from your efforts.

1. On any number of old phones, install a free automatic app backup app
<https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.usage.appbackup>

2. Plug any number of those old phones into Windows, where, if you have the
USB option enabled on the phone, Windows will "mount" the phone's file
system so that you can copy the hundreds of APKs onto Windows for
archival purposes.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk001.jpg>

3. When you're ready to install the hundreds of free apps on a new Android
phone, just plug in your new Android phone and slide the hundreds of
Android free app APKs over to that new Android phones' file system.

4. On the new Android phone, use the default file explorer (or any file
explorer that can work with APK compressed files) to install any of
the hundreds of free apps onto that new phone.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk002.jpg>

5. For this example, we chose the F-Droid open source New Pipe application,
which is sort of a free youtube-red clone that allows the user to
search, view, play, strip, rip, download, etc., youtube videos at will.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk003.jpg>

6. The first time you install from an APK copied over from Windows,
you will need to allow installation from "unknown sources" on the
new Android phone.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk004.jpg>

7. Since these APKs were culled from your own devices, they present
a very low risk to the user, and they help you gain privacy since
you have no need to be involved with anything on Google Play:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk005.jpg>

8. Here you see "Unknown sources" are enabled on the new phone.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk006.jpg>

9. This New Pipe application does not need any special permissions.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk007.jpg>

10. Either accept or decline the "Google Play Protect" scheme.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk008.jpg>

11. Then the install of the app will occur on the new Android phone.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk009.jpg>

12. Resulting in an "App installed" success message on the new phone.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk010.jpg>

13. In this case, those quick steps provide you with the capability
of replacing the youtube app with a much more powerful alternative
which will not only strip out the audio or video from a youtube
video, but it can search and play any youtube video where you'll
likely never need or use the original youtube app ever again.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk011.jpg>

In this way, you can quickly populate your new Android device with hundreds
of your favorite apps. Optionally, you can create a data repository on the
Android device, using the keyboard and mouse on Windows, so that each app
stores its data in your data hierarchy on the Android phone (and where you
can use free file redirectors for those apps that don't have a setting to
change their default data storage locations.)

In summary, this note shows how easy it is for Windows Android
users to automatically archive all their free apps from a variety
of Android phones, and then to combine those APKs into a software
repository that can be copied directly to a new Android phone,
and installed, without ever needing Google Play and all the privacy
leaks (e.g., Advertiser ID) that may come with the Google Account.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 12:10:34 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> 12. Resulting in an "App installed" success message on the new phone.
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk010.jpg>

By way of example, this method easily populates an Android phone from a
Windows-based local repository with hundreds of useful apps, some of which
morph and disappear over time.

Fleshing out the given example APK is the YouTube clone that provides
essentially YouTube Red services for free, where the following sequence
fleshes out the installation and test sequence that I document for each app
just as I do for each Windows and Linux app I install.

Here is the testing part of the readme file that accompanies the Windows
APK archive for the example APK shown prior.

1. We pick the first trending video in the New Pipe YouTube GUI.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks001.jpg
2. We could play the video but let's press the "Download" button.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks002.jpg
3. The first time we do that, NewPipe will ask for permission:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks003.jpg
4. Then we can download the entire video (with audio).
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks004.jpg
5. Where we get a selection of various video file resolutions:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks005.jpg
6. Or, we can just strip out the audio in various resolutions:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks006.jpg
7. We cam even disply the video on top of other apps if we like.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks007.jpg
8. The first time you select that option it will ask for permission.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks008.jpg
9. And then it will play the video on top of other apps just fine.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apks009.jpg
Voila!

The next steps are to set up the settings to the desired default audio and
video quality, format, and, as always, just as on Windows, to set the
default target download location to the "data" directory on the external
sdcard.

NOTE: Not all apps allow for setting the data directory to the external
sdcard, but for that we use the free automatic file redirectors such as:
Redirect-com.tobino.redirectsfree-35-v3.0.1.apk
which work well (but you have to find just the best ones as most are
crippleware - so - as always - caveat emptor on the file redirectors.)

[John McGaw]

On 7/9/2018 8:10 AM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> How to use Windows to populate your new Android phone with hundreds of free
> apps without ever enabling Google Play (or F-Droid) on the new Android
> phone.

snip...

Would any sane person want "hundreds of apps" on their phone,free or not?

[😉 Good Guy 😉]

No but Arlen Holder is not your typical sane person.  He is a known paedophile looking for young boys so he posts anything crap to impress these so called young boys if any, on these newsgroups.

He's a nym-shifter and he has changed his nym to Etal.  I fell for it and wasted time responding to it.  I avoid responding to paedophiles but if they nym-shift then we can't do anything.

He also used the name: "Erholt Rhein" previously and he replied to it using the name Etal.  As I said, I fell for it and that young boys abuser should be dealt with immediately by the authorities.

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[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 20:30:48 GMT, John McGaw wrote:

> Would any sane person want "hundreds of apps" on their phone,free or not?

This is a good question, where some people don't test software as much as I
do, so, they probably only have scores of apps on their phones.

Me? I test dozens of apps every day sometimes, where I always strive to
find the *best* free apps on the planet for the given tasks.

For example, I know that the open source New Pipe app is the best free
replacement for YouTube and YouTube Red, bar none.

And I know which is the best free file redirector (which comes in handy
when your philosophy is like mine, which is that *all* data on any device
is stored in your "data" repository - which - for Android - is best on the
external sd card for obvious reasons).

Most of the file redirectors are cruppleware, for example, last I tested,
so, you need to install them all before you can figure out which is the
best.

And I've tested almost all the free FTP servers on Android, finally
choosing the one I think works best overall with Windows & Linux over WiFi
connections for point-and-click access to the entire visible Android file
system on the desktop.

I've selected what I think is one of the best free text editors, and I know
of all the wifi and wardriving recording software. I have tested a bunch of
the ringtone makers, and played with all the common file browsers on
Android, choosing sometimes more than one since some do some things better
than others.

My archives contain all the items I've installed from a variety of phones,
so the hundreds of apps can be whittled down to just scores of the best
apps.

It takes a few tries before you find the best automatic phone call recorder
app, so that's why you'll see multiple ones in my archives.

In the case of offline topgraphic mapping and routing, no one app does all
the things you want and need, so that's why you'll have multiple apps, if
you do any serious off-road off-trail navigation.

That's one place where tight integration of Windows & Android is key!

For example, I load the USGS free PDFs on Windows, geocalibrate them on
Windows, and then I use the Windows mouse, keyboard, compute power, and
large display to draw desired backcountry routes on those geocalibrated
USGS topographic maps.

Then I simply slide the route gpx file over to Android, and import it into
a bunch of different Android topograhpic maps for full functionality, where
some give directions only in compass headings, while others can speak "turn
east 30 degrees for 40 feet" to get back on the original route.

(Bear in mind, there is no such thing as a "road" or "trail' in this
situation, where all you have are feet and degrees to guide you.)

So, to answer your question, you are correct that most people only need
scores of apps, where someone has to figure out which of those scores of
apps are the best in class - which is what I do every day.

[The Real Bev]

192. A few were not free, but paid for with a gift card from Best Buy
that came with a hard drive or something. I don't use all of them, but
I might...


--
Cheers, Bev
"I don't think they could put him in a mental hospital.
On the other hand, if he were already in, I don't think
they'd let him out." -- Greek Geek

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 23:14:03 GMT, The Real Bev wrote:

> 192. A few were not free, but paid for with a gift card from Best Buy
> that came with a hard drive or something. I don't use all of them, but
> I might...

That you have 200 apps makes sense since you "do" a lot of things, like I
do.

For those people who only use a phone to, um, well, make phone calls, then
they don't need much more than a score or two score of apps.

But I install software, on average, about once a month on an Android or iOS
phone, so having an app repository just makes sense.

My current Android app repository is only 300 APKs but that's because I
have the repositories scattered about, as I'm never as well organized as I
like (and I tend to brick Windows disks so there are hundreds of APKs on
those disks that I didn't copy over into the main repository yet).

Once really NICE advantage of an app repository on any system, Windows, or
Android, is that you can *organize* them into *folders*, and then just go
down teh folders, one by one.

That is, just like you have C:\software\archivers, and
C:\software\browsers, and C:\software\cleaners and C:\software\databases
and C:\software\editors and C:\software\finance and C:\software\games, and
C:\software\hardware, etc., on Windows, you have a similar task-based
folder setup on Android.

AndroidHomescreen/archivers, AndroidHomescreen/browsers,
AndroidHomescreen/calendars, AndroidHomescreen/editors,
AndroidHomescreen/games, AndroidHomescreen/hardware, etc.

The organization is slightly different because you do slightly different
things on Android than on Windows, where the browser task is the same but,
say, the wifi tasks are different as you have a lot more wifi debugging
tools on Android, as you also do with mapping tools, and todolist tools.

Someday I'm gonna be so organized that I will put all the APKs in their
respective location in the software archive on Windows, and then it will be
even easier to populate the next Android phone I set up, which will be, on
average, in about a month or so.

However, to the point of the person you're responding to, John McGraw, I'm
sure there are Android users who don't set up a dozen phones a year and who
are perfectly happy having a Google Play account on their phone, even
though they don't need it at all.

The fact is that, after a few years of using Android, you pretty much know
what apps you need, and those are the ones you archive and re-install on a
new phone. There's absolutely zero need for having a Google account just to
populate a phone with your favorite apps (plus most of the best ones don't
come from Google Play anyway).

An advantage of having no Google account on your phone is that you have
less spyware too. There are no disadvantages that I can think of that I
don't already know about and have decided that it's worth it not to have
them (e.g., Google scans your apps - who needs that? And Google has that
advertising ID - who needs that? And you get update notifications all the
time - who needs that?, etc.).

In summary, the PHILOSOPHY of maintaining a strategic design for your
Android APKs which uses the power of Windows and which makes use of your
APK decisions over the years, is up to the user.

[R.Wieser]

"?? Good Guy ??" <Hello...@Example.com> wrote in message
news:pi0hi2$e8m$1...@news.mixmin.net...

> No but Arlen Holder is not your typical sane person.

And neither are you.

While I could regard Arlen as a nuissance, you seem to be downright
malicious.

Why ? Because you accuse without providing anything even remotely
supporting, let alone prove it.

- even if you might "just" be trolling (which is in no way an excuse for
it).

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
>> /--- This email has been checked for viruses by Windows Defender
>> software.

And ? How many did it find ? (they always seem to forget to mention that
:-) )

[Arlen Holder]

On 10 Jul 2018 08:51:03 GMT, R.Wieser wrote:

> While I could regard Arlen as a nuissance, you seem to be downright
> malicious.

Hi Rudy Wieser,
"The Good Guy troll is in almost everyone's killfile.*
(If you don't believe me, ask who doesn't have him killfiled.)

As you noted, he's a truly dangerous person whose creepy thoughts always
revolve around his mental latching onto his constant accusasations of
pedophilia.

I have told him many times to stop stalking me and others, but that just
encourages him further. In fact, he went so far as to publicly state that
he reported us to his local authorities, which, if true, is a good thing
because then he's on public record for his mental illness.

He's so creepy that he's past the point of scary, where most trolls, as you
know, don't scare you - but with malicious mentally unhinged people like
Good Goy around, nobody has to question further the need for privacy.

> Why ? Because you accuse without providing anything even remotely
> supporting, let alone prove it.
>
> - even if you might "just" be trolling (which is in no way an excuse for
> it).

None of the trolls in this newsgroup ever offer any technical acumen, but
at least the "normal" chit-chat trolls, such as Char Jackson, Frank
Slootweg, Rene Lamantagne, Nil, Diesel, Sam Hill, and the infamous Wolf K,
are just worthless run-of-the-mill trolls who aren't dangerous in the sense
that the Good Guy troll truly reveals himself to be.

The less energy spent on him, the better as you're likely one of the very
few who reads his posts.

[Sam Hill]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 15:24:45 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:

> None of the trolls in this newsgroup ever offer any technical acumen,
> but at least the "normal" chit-chat trolls, such as Char Jackson, Frank
> Slootweg, Rene Lamantagne, Nil, Diesel, Sam Hill, and the infamous Wolf
> K, are just worthless run-of-the-mill trolls who aren't dangerous in the
> sense that the Good Guy troll truly reveals himself to be.

I resent being included in your list of "troll" posters. I posted *ONE*
post in a thread of yours, asking who you were. Then I acknowledged a
response to that question. You, on the other hand, have *OVER 300* posts
in just the last month. (here in a.c.o.w-10)

> The less energy spent on him, the better as you're likely one of the
> very few who reads his posts.

I'm sure very few read yours as well...

[Arlen Holder]

On 10 Jul 2018 16:23:39 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:

> I resent being included in your list of "troll" posters.

Hi Sam Hill,

Your post is reasonable - and I will remove you from the canonical list
of worthless trolsl, which includes Rene Lamontage, Char Jackson,
Frank Slootweg, Nil, Diesel, Snit, Good Guy, nospam, etc., and whose
premier example is Wolf K.

Bear in mind...
I've been on Usenet for decades, as have most of the others here.
I'm extremely well educated at the best schools in this country (USA).
I'm always courteous to those who are courteous to me.

But I use a different Usenet model than most of you.

Most of you are "chit chatters", where you constantly post worthless
drivel, as if you're in a coffee shop shooting the breeze with a thousand
of your best friends on the net.

I don't chit chat.
*I pose difficult questions and I summarize the technical solutions.*

Many of my questions are solved with the help of the intelligent few, but
many are not resolved (simply because they're too difficult for most of
us).

Since I care about a solution, and since trolls ruin the picnic the moment
they infest a technical thread, for strategic reasons, I tactically
frontally confront those worthless trolls listed above, whom I consider
cowardly bullies. (I only confront them in threads I care about though.)

For decades I have always strived to be reasonable - where - (this is
important) - where I always purposefully respond in kind to the perceived
intent and implied tone of the person I'm responding to.

So I'm responding to your post, with that same implied intent & tone.
Almost all the time, I believe I infer the implied intent correctly.
But sometimes, rarely, but it's possible - I err.

When I do err, the record shows I have no problem whatsoever apologizing,
as I am always, if nothing else, a reasonable person in all regards.

> I posted *ONE* post in a thread of yours, asking who you were.

You posted this, did you not?
"I see. Well, since he seems to *want* his posts recognized for
some sort of Nobel prizes, it would not make sense to keep changing
his name. Mind-boggling, eh?"
Where, I can't count the number of times I've explained that I don't hide
who I am and that I randomly obfuscate my headers for privacy reasons.

You and Mayayana (and it seems, J.P. Gilliver), all of whom are not trolls,
make the same racist-like mistake to paint individuals as being part of a
despised racial group if you see only a *single attribute* of that despised
racial group.

Everyone despises trolls.
But not every person who desires privacy is a troll.

Both you and Mayayana make the patently ridiculous claim that I just want a
high post count since I care about privacy and since I respond to most
people *in threads I author!*, where I care to come to a solution.

I have explained my strategy and tactics so many times here to ignorant
racist people that I'm tired of saying "not all Blacks are hoodlums, not
all women are sluts, not all Italians are in the mafia, not all Jews are
swindlers, not all Germans are supremecists, not all people wearing
baseball caps are robbing banks", etc.

You & Mayayana see 2 attributes of the troll racial group that you hate:
- I care about privacy so I randomly obfuscate my headers, and,
- I respond to most posts in threads that I personally author

You forget that I don't troll when you label me a troll.
When you did that, I confront you. Immediately.
And I said exactly WHY I confronted you.

Remember, I confront the cowardly trolls who post to threads I care about.

What you fail to understand is:
a. I care about my privacy so I randomly obfuscate headers
b. But ... I never hide who I am.

So those, like you, who say (or imply) I obfuscate headers to avoid
killfiles are making statements that show *their* ignorance since even
trolls like Frank Slootweg, Wolf K, Nil, Diesel, and nospam an *all* figure
out my posts in ten seconds flat (some of them, like Frank Slootweg,
veritably shout out in glee when they've figured out the obvious, in fact).

As an aside, I think it's hilarious that they're so low on the
Dunning-Kruger scale of skills self assessment that they actually do think
they're "geniuses" when they can figure out my posts (where, more to the
humor, they accuse many people of being me, even when they're not me - and
where I just silently laugh to myself since those are on threads that I
don't care about so I don't confront those Slootweg-like trolls - and they
wouldn't believe me anyway).

> Then I acknowledged a
> response to that question. You, on the other hand, have *OVER 300* posts
> in just the last month. (here in a.c.o.w-10)

Do you even comprehend what you just said?
(I doubt you do.)

You make the same ignorant mistake that Char Jackson did, when he
challenged me to show value, where I post *plenty* of very helpful
questions, answers, and tutorials - and where I've done so for *decades(,
which means I have many thousands to my credit.

My challenge back to the Rene Lamontagne-like trolls is "show me what value
you *added* to this newsgroups' overall tribal knowledge".

*You completely confuse the number of posts with the value added.*
Your thought process is a trait of very stupid people, is it not?

So, I can easily prove that you post things that only stupid people would
think, but that in and of itself doesn't make you a troll, I agree.

But to confuse number of posts with added value is really a stupid thing
you just did, Sam Hill. Very stupid.

Remember, I confront facts frontally.

How many tidbits of *added value* did *you* post in that same period that
you lambaste my numbers of posts?

Offhand, I've recently posted questions with *detailed solutions* (garnered
with advice by purposefully helpful people like Paul & Rudy, of course) on
- Removing RAID dung from disks so that we can dual boot
- Changing BIOS settings so that Grub accepts dual boots
- Interfacing seamlessly with iOS simultaneously with dual boots
- Adding superhidden filename extensions back into Windows
- Using Windows to populate Android APKs to eliminate
- Using Windows to create GPS routes on geocalibrated USGS maps
- Adding many methods of creating colored cmd-here-as-admin windows
- Explaining with tremendous detail how to replicate WinXP context menus
- Outlining with detail how to create useful curlit & pingit menus
- Explaining exactly how to set up click-to-slide shutdown
- Figuring out how to disable the gateway to protect from VPN errors
- Adding a powerful rolodex command to easily grep an address text file
- Adding a powerful encrypted password 'vipw' command for safe decryption
- How to clean up a windows installation of useless "core features"
- The three score documented steps on how to set up a new Windows desktop
- A customized tutorial for setting up gVIM on Windows (sans turd files)
- Solving why the cascade-menu tutorial didn't show up in tribal archives
- How to click-to-edit extensionless files (which very few people know)
- Solving (with Paul's help!) the mystery of the windows binary tile menu
- Debugging why tor & opera browser tile-menu icons are screwy (unsolved)
- Opening an arbitrary directory from the Start > Run box (unsolved)
- How to archive this newsgroup on Google Groups (unsolved)
- How to debug a legacy printer setup issue (unsolved)
- How to best network Windows/iOS/Android/Linux (unsolved)
- Turning off Cortana so that it doesn't spy on you (unsolved)
etc.

The fact is that I post a lot, that's true.
But the fact is that I add value.

How many of you reading this added that much value in the same time period?

If you or Mayayana or J.P. Gilliver (who are not trolls - you're all just
exhibiting ignorantly racist thought processes) or the common worthless
chat-spam trolls Rene Lamontagne, Wolf K, Frank Slootweg, Nil, Diesel, and
nospam or even the truly sick trolls like Snit or the truly dangerous
trolls like Good Guy ...

If you (or any of those trolls) make the sophomoric mistake of thinking the
way you apparently think - then I'm going to set you straight.

All I have to ask you is the same question I ask of all trolls:
Q: *Compare your value added to that of mine, before you label me a troll.*

In all cases, the trolls add zero value.
A. Hence, plonking those trolls, as Paul advises, loses zero value.
B. Howeever, plonking me (which you're welcome to do), loses you value.

Those are incontrovertible facts.

Plonk me if you don't want value.
But don't call me a troll.

>> The less energy spent on him, the better as you're likely one of the
>> very few who reads his posts.
>
> I'm sure very few read yours as well...

Hehhehheh ... look at that list above of the value I added (along with help
from intelligent folks here, rare as they are).

Then compare that with the list of value *you* added (which, upon a quick
search, seems to be "zero" value added by Sam Hill in that same time
frame).

Let's summarize this diatribe, since I do think you were being reasonable
in this last post of yours, which is the one I'm responding to directly:

1. I'll take you off the list of common trolls so you're no longer in the
canonical troll group which includes Frank Slootweg, Char Jackson,
Rene Lamantagne, nospam, Nil, Diesel, and the premier worthless troll,
Wolf K.

2. But please do consider whether you've ever posted even a single iota
of added technical value to this newsgroup, before you accuse others
of what even you, yourself, can't defend (because I frontally confront,
with facts, those cowardly bully trolls who post their trollish drivel
in threads that I care about coming to a technical solution).

[Rene Lamontagne]

On 07/10/2018 12:25 PM, Arlen Holder wrote:
> On 10 Jul 2018 16:23:39 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:
>
>> I resent being included in your list of "troll" posters.
>
> Hi Sam Hill,
>
> Your post is reasonable - and I will remove you from the canonical list
> of worthless trolsl, which includes Rene Lamontage, Char Jackson,
> Frank Slootweg, Nil, Diesel, Snit, Good Guy, nospam, etc., and whose
> premier example is Wolf K.
>

Still wasting oxygen, I see.

[Sam Hill]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:25:24 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:

> On 10 Jul 2018 16:23:39 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:
>> I resent being included in your list of "troll" posters.
>
> Hi Sam Hill,
>
> Your post is reasonable - and I will remove you from the canonical list
> of worthless trolsl, which includes Rene Lamontage, Char Jackson,
> Frank Slootweg, Nil, Diesel, Snit, Good Guy, nospam, etc., and whose
> premier example is Wolf K.

Thanks. That's really nice of you.

> [Two hundred lines of chit-chat bypassed]

[Arlen Holder]

On 10 Jul 2018 17:32:34 GMT, Rene Lamontagne wrote:

> Still wasting oxygen, I see.

Hehhehheh...

You prove, in every post, Rene Lamontagne, that all you _can_ do, is troll!

See this thread proving lack of value from Lamontagne-like chitchat trolls:
<http://www.pcbanter.net/showthread.php?t=1104415>
Q: *How many tutorials to HELP PEOPLE have the little troll shits written?*
A: *Zero*.

[Arlen Holder]

On 10 Jul 2018 17:42:14 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:

> Thanks. That's really nice of you.

Do you actually have *any* value to add to the thread topic, or not?

I responded faithfully to your question, where I have explained that I
respond to valid queries in any thread that I author. And I respond in
kind.

The implied tone of your response above, frankly, is that of sarcasm.

Worse - your sarcasm doesn't add any technical value to this thread.

I'll be frontally blunt with you, Sam Hill, since you seem to be trolling
again - and where the less you post - the less I need to point out your
mistakes.

Please do not post further to this thread unless you actually have
purposefully helpful on-topic technical value to add.

[nospam]

In article <pi2q63$3st$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>
> If you or Mayayana or J.P. Gilliver (who are not trolls

they used to be.


In article <phrijg$fba$3...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> The Windows 10 trolls have arrived.
>
> That means this thread is ruined once Nil, Char Jackson, JP Gilliver, and
> especially Wolf K, the premier Windows 10 troll who infests this newsgroup.
>
> Since the trolls above have taken over, I'm out of here.
> They can have the thread.


In article <phqa5u$h78$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> J.P. Gilliver,
>
> *Do not again prove yourself to be a lowly coward devoid of reason.*
>
> Do you deny the two capabilities are generally useful?
> a. The ability to easily "grep" a rolodex file, and,
> b. The ability to easily access a secure password file.
>
> If you deny, then what do you think is not useful about those capabilities?
> In fact, to the point what have *you* contributed to those capabilities?
>
> I know the answers to both those questions.
> So does everyone who is logical.
>
> Let's hear your defense of your cowardly post, completely devoid of reason.
>
> Unless, you're still a lowly coward, you will truthfully state the answers.




In article <pfe2qc$aks$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 09:16:12 -0400, Mayayana wrote:
> > Win7 was also not relevant. Nor is the general post.
> > This seems to be the same character who posts as
> > "Ragnusen Ultred" and various other aliases.
>
> C'mon Mayayana,
>
> Stop being a jerk just because your use model is different than mine.
> And stop claiming to be a genius for claiming to figure out what's not
> hidden.
> And start THINKING for once, to try to ADD VALUE for heaven's sake.
>
> We're wasting everyone's time by you being a jerk again, and by you not
> caring about a poster's privacy (and by your troll's intent being to
> declare that you're a genius for figuring out the obvious - when I even use
> custom paths that you *know* are mine since nobody else uses them - so your
> intention of posting was to claim you're an utter genius for figuring out
> the obvious that was never hidden).
>
> Everything you posted in your troll above, was a waste of our time.
>
> The worst waste is that I have to respond to your continued childish
> drivel, time after time after time, about you not liking that someone else
> has perfectly valid use model that happens to be different from yours. We
> already discussed your imbued racism in that regard, many times.

...

> That's because I'm a good Usenet citizen, and I have been doing this for
> decades, with thousands of helpful tutorials to my credit, if not to my
> name.

and you must mean names, the plural form, because these supposed
'tutorials' are not authored under a single identity, making them
impossible to find (not that anyone would want to).

[nospam]

In article <pi2s0n$70g$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder

<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

> On 10 Jul 2018 17:32:34 GMT, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
> > Still wasting oxygen, I see.
>
> Hehhehheh...
>
> You prove, in every post, Rene Lamontagne, that all you _can_ do, is troll!

except for the times he adds value, you mean.


In article <pcfeic$vuc$1...@gioia.aioe.org>, Bob J Jones
<bobj...@startMail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Rene Lamontagne for staying on topic and being technical by
> explaining what Windows 10 can do that Win7 and WinXP can't do, which is
> the Linux bash shell capability.
...
> Thank you for adding value to our knowledge and for staying on topic.

[Char Jackson]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 17:56:40 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 10 Jul 2018 17:32:34 GMT, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
>
>> Still wasting oxygen, I see.
>
>Hehhehheh...
>
>You prove, in every post, Rene Lamontagne, that all you _can_ do, is troll!

So much for the plonking claim. ;-)

[Frank Slootweg]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> aka The Lying Liar lied:

> the canonical list
> of worthless trolsl, which includes Rene Lamontage, Char Jackson,
> Frank Slootweg, Nil, Diesel, Snit, Good Guy, nospam, etc., and whose
> premier example is Wolf K.

What's so special about Wolf K.? Why can't we "worthless trolsl" [sic]
be treated equally? Why are you being a racist about it?

And why do you now have only one list of "worthless trolsl", while you
had several (at least two)>

For example Snit and Good Guy weren't on my/our list and now they are.
Ever so confusing? That excellent memory of yours isn't failing you, is
it!?

[...]

[Frank Slootweg]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> aka The Lying Liar lied:

[...]

> [sic:] an *all* figure

> out my posts in ten seconds flat (some of them, like Frank Slootweg,
> veritably shout out in glee when they've figured out the obvious, in fact).

Yet, you *cannot* show *proof* that I *actually* "veritably shouted
out in glee when I've figured out the obvious".

Why is that? It's because you continuously lie about stuff which never
happened (and about stuff which did happen). IOW, you're a liar and a
rather stupid one at that.

[...]

BTW, that ignoring me/us which you promised isn't quite working, is
it? No wonder with your total lack of self control.

Note to self: Look up if that's yet another symptom of AS.

[Frank Slootweg]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> iaka The Lying Liar lied:
[...]

> I'm extremely well educated at the best schools in this country (USA).

<barf>

Apparently that 'education' did not help one iota. Otherwise you
wouldn't come up with total bollocks like - for example - this:

> So those, like you, who say (or imply) I obfuscate headers to avoid
> killfiles are making statements that show *their* ignorance since even
> trolls like Frank Slootweg, Wolf K, Nil, Diesel, and nospam an *all* figure
> out my posts in ten seconds flat (some of them, like Frank Slootweg,
> veritably shout out in glee when they've figured out the obvious, in fact).

Yet another of your delusions/stupidities.

Earth to TLL: nymshifting != obfuscate headers

We don't say you "obfuscate headers to avoid killfiles". we say you
*nymshift* and *hence* you *cannot* be permanently killfiled.

We don't give a toss about your *'reason'* for nymshifting, we say what
you *do* (nymshift) and *are* (a nymshifter) and what the end result is
(EMAK).

[...]

[Char Jackson]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:02:51 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder
<arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:

>Please do not post further to this thread unless you actually have
>purposefully helpful on-topic technical value to add.

You must be new to Usenet. No one needs permission, from you or anyone
else, to post here.

[Sam Hill]

On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:02:51 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:

> On 10 Jul 2018 17:42:14 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:
>
>> Thanks. That's really nice of you.
>
> Do you actually have *any* value to add to the thread topic, or not?

The value I added was you removing my name from your "troll" list. If you
don't want comments/replies from people, don't use their names.

> [Twenty more lines of chit-chat bypassed]

[Frank Slootweg]

Sam Hill <s...@example.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 18:02:51 +0000, Arlen Holder wrote:
>
> > On 10 Jul 2018 17:42:14 GMT, Sam Hill wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks. That's really nice of you.
> >
> > Do you actually have *any* value to add to the thread topic, or not?
>
> The value I added was you removing my name from your "troll" list. If you
> don't want comments/replies from people, don't use their names.

I'm afraid that that's yet another concept which our "extremely well
educated" resident kook has not quite grasped 'yet'.

[J. P. Gilliver (John)]

In message <100720181423182833%nos...@nospam.invalid>, nospam

<nos...@nospam.invalid> writes:
>In article <pi2q63$3st$1...@news.mixmin.net>, Arlen Holder
><arlen...@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you or Mayayana or J.P. Gilliver (who are not trolls
>
>they used to be.
>

Interesting. I don't _think_ I've ever deliberately trolled, except very
occasionally in humour [and I _hope_ I've always included some (-: or
similar when I have]. I _do_ sometimes post about things I don't know
much about. And a _long_ time ago, I used to gilliver (AKA necropost)
somewhat, i. e. post in response to posts of some age; I haven't for
years, though.
[]
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Her [Valerie Singleton's] main job on /Blue Peter/ was to stop unpredictable
creatres running amok. And that was just John Noakes.
- Alison Pearson, RT 2014/9/6-12

[Arlen Holder]

SOLVED!

On the iOS newsgroups, sms asked if there was a way to transfer all the old
apps to a new phone, even if the phones have a huge disparity in OS
versions and even if there were no APKs already backed up (since he can't
find all the apps on the Google Play store anymore).
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/hryIbiJk-7k/WDM1ig8ZBAAJ>

I just proved moments ago, that, for free apps, this is trivial where I
used Windows as an intermediary because the old phone screen was unusable:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk020.jpg>

I just proved out the process on these two phones:
- Old phone = Android 5.x Moto-G (with unusable screen)
- New phone = Android 7.x LG Stylo 3 Plus

These are the steps I tested for sms:
I. Run the free "App Backup & Restore" on the old phone & connect to USB:
II. Slide all those newly created free app APKs over to the new phone.
III. Tap on each free app APK in turn, to install on the new phone!
Voila!

Note: Neither phone has a Google Play ID account.

Every free app on your old phone is now running on your new phone!
[Note that there is no need to bother with IDs of any sort.]

My old phone was cracked so badly you couldn't see the screen:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk020.jpg>

To simulate what sms needed to do, I deleted the 300 APKs that I had
already archived on the old phone (and on Windows) because the test is to
see how you can back up one phone's entire app structure to another phone
of a vastly different OS version.

After deleting the 300 APKs, I had to copy over the one APK for the App
Backup & Restore so that I could back up to an APK the 110 currently
installed apps on that old phone.

Since the screen was unusable on the old phone, I used the exact same app
and version on the new phone, so that I could guess where the buttons were
to run the backup sequence so that the 100 APKs were created anew.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk021.jpg>

Once you plug in the device, iOS & Android can share data files:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk000.jpg>

Here you see the two phones, the Moto-G & the LG Stylo 3 Plus:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk011729.jpg>

The entire visible file system is available read/write to Windows:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk012.jpg>

The 110 installed apps (not counting system apps) were extracted
to APKs (after the fact) and placed in this directory:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk013.jpg>

Here you see the 110 installed apps on the old Moto-G phone:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk014.jpg>

All you do is slide the APKs from the old phone to the new phone:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk015.jpg>

Now you see the 110 apps from the old phone on the new phone:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk016.jpg>

To install, just tap on any old APK now on the new phone!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk017.jpg>

In this case, we've just installed the NewPipe app from its APK:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk018.jpg>

Almost never does an APK not work from one phone to another!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk019.jpg>

Here are the 110 free apps that were installed on the old phone
(which are now installed on the new phone!)

* 920 Text Editor-com.jecelyin.editor-39-v12.11.23.apk
* AcDisplay-com.achep.acdisplay-76-v3.8.4.apk
* Activity Diary-de.rampro.activitydiary-118-v1.1.8.apk
* Amaze-com.amaze.filemanager-63-v3.2.1.apk
* AndrOBD-com.fr3ts0n.ecu.gui.androbd-10505-V1.5.5.apk
* Android System WebView-com.google.android.webview-332510900-v65.0.3325.109.apk
* Android version-com.github.mueller_ma.viewandroidversion-3-v1.3.apk
* AndSys ~ Apps-net.sourceforge.andsys-33-v0.4-rc3.apk
* App Backup & Restore-mobi.usage.appbackup-40-v1.3.8.apk
* App Ops-rikka.appops-586-v2.3.11.r586.6ef3932.apk
* Applications Info-com.majeur.applicationsinfo-7-v1.6.apk
* Audio Recorder-com.github.axet.audiorecorder-250-v3.1.19.apk
* BackCountry Navigator DEMO-com.crittermap.backcountrynavigator-346-v6.7.6.apk
* Barcode Scanner-com.google.zxing.client.android-107-v4.7.7.apk
* Browser-de.baumann.browser-72-v5.3.1.apk
* Budoist-budo.budoist-33-v1.3.2.apk
* Calendar-com.simplemobiletools.calendar-115-v3.3.2.apk
* Calendula-es.usc.citius.servando.calendula-33-v2.5.2.apk
* Call Recorder-com.github.axet.callrecorder-153-v1.5.32.apk
* Chrome-com.android.chrome-328213701-v64.0.3282.137.apk
* Clear List-douzifly.list-21-v1.5.6.apk
* Clock-com.google.android.deskclock-52001812-v5.2 (4471843).apk
* Cloud Print-com.google.android.apps.cloudprint-137-v1.37.apk
* Community compass-com.sgr_b2.compass-10405-v1.4.5.apk
* Compass-net.micode.compass-1-v0.1.apk
* Contacts-com.simplemobiletools.contacts-11-v3.3.0.apk
* crushr-com.tjm.crushr-3-v1.2.apk
* Delta Chat-com.b44t.messenger-512-v0.14.0.apk
* Did I-si.modrajagoda.didi-1-v1.0.apk
* Drive-com.google.android.apps.docs-180720234-v2.18.072.02.34.apk
* DuckDuckGo-com.duckduckgo.mobile.android-40300-v4.3.0.apk
* Easer-ryey.easer-58-v0.5.5.2.apk
* Easy Voice Recorder-com.coffeebeanventures.easyvoicerecorder-10921-v1.9.1.4.apk
* Editor-org.billthefarmer.editor-119-v1.19.apk
* F-Droid-org.fdroid.fdroid-1000013-v1.0.3.apk
* File Manager-com.simplemobiletools.filemanager-48-v3.3.2.apk
* Firefox-org.mozilla.firefox-2015539873-v58.0.2.apk
* Flashlight-com.simplemobiletools.flashlight-26-v3.1.0.apk
* FRITZ!App˙WLAN-de.avm.android.wlanapp-549-v1.2.1.apk
* FTP Server (Free)-be.ppareit.swiftp_free-21800-v2.18.apk
* Gallery-com.motorola.MotGallery2-530032-v530032.apk
* Gallery-com.simplemobiletools.gallery-164-v3.5.2.apk
* Gboard-com.google.android.inputmethod.latin-26690809-v6.9.8-armeabi-v7a.apk
* Gmail-com.google.android.gm-60126837-v8.2.11.186835846.release.apk
* Google-com.google.android.googlequicksearchbox-300761901-v7.21.23.21.arm.apk
* Google Play Books-com.google.android.apps.books-49970-v4.0.apk
* Google Play Games-com.google.android.play.games-54390036-v5.4.39.apk
* Google Play Movies & TV-com.google.android.videos-40106131-v4.1.6.13.apk
* Google Play Music-com.google.android.music-67731-v8.7.6773-1.A.apk
* Google Play Newsstand-com.google.android.apps.magazines-2017080130-v4.7.1.apk
* Google Play services-com.google.android.gms-12685008-v12.6.85.apk
* Google Play Store-com.android.vending-81060800-v10.6.08-all.apk
* Google Text-to-speech Engine-com.google.android.tts-210314091-v3.14.9.apk
* Google+-com.google.android.apps.plus-419623338-.apk
* GPSLogger-com.mendhak.gpslogger-91-v91.apk
* Hangouts-com.google.android.talk-247463333.apk
* Hangouts Dialer-com.google.android.apps.hangoutsdialer-1642.apk
* Haven-org.havenapp.main-102-v0.1.0-beta-3.apk
* Here GPS Location-com.borneq.heregpslocation-1-v1.0.apk
* Hourglass-com.alaskalinuxuser.hourglass-6-v1.6.apk
* HP Print Service Plugin-com.hp.android.printservice-383-.apk
* Jota Text Editor-jp.sblo.pandora.jota-85-v0.2.35.apk
* Just A Damn Compass-uk.co.jarofgreen.JustADamnCompass-2-v1.1.apk
* K-9 Mail-com.fsck.k9-23630-v5.403.apk
* Kik-kik.android-20000417-v12.8.0.7334.apk
* Locus Map-menion.android.locus-692-v3.29.2.apk
* Maniana-com.zapta.apps.maniana-26015-v1.26.apk
* Maps-com.github.axet.maps-1030-v8.1.0-2-Google.apk
* Maps-com.google.android.apps.maps-972200143-v9.72.2.apk
* Mirakel-de.azapps.mirakelandroid-82-v3.0.apk
* Motorola Migrate-com.motorola.migrate-17006-v1.7.0.06.apk
* Music Player-com.simplemobiletools.musicplayer-38-v3.2.1.apk
* MyTrails-com.frogsparks.mytrails-14384-v2.1.2.apk
* Navigator-com.mapfactor.navigator-31107-v3.1.107.apk
* Navmii USA-com.navfree.android.OSM.USA-100366-v3.6.15.apk
* NewPipe-org.schabi.newpipe-47-v0.11.6.apk
* NewPipe Beta-org.schabi.newpipe.beta-48-v0.12.0.apk
* Nova Launcher-com.teslacoilsw.launcher-56100-v5.5.3.apk
* Orbot-org.torproject.android-16000010-v16.0.0-RC-2-multi-SDK16.apk
* Orfox-info.guardianproject.orfox-10-vFennec-52.2.0esr TorBrowser-7.0-1 Orfox-1.4-RC-3.apk
* orWall-org.ethack.orwall-40-v1.2.0.apk
* Orweb-info.guardianproject.browser-7010-v0.7.1.apk
* OsmAnd Contour lines-net.osmand.srtmPlugin.paid-9-v1.0.apk
* OsmAnd~-net.osmand.plus-293-v2.9.3.apk
* OSMTracker for AndroidT-me.guillaumin.android.osmtracker-37-v0.6.11.apk
* Privacy Browser-com.stoutner.privacybrowser.standard-30-v2.8.apk
* QKSMS-com.moez.QKSMS-135-v2.7.3.apk
* Quickoffice-com.quickoffice.android-1503111803-v6.5.1.12.apk
* SatStat-com.vonglasow.michael.satstat-3020-v3.2.apk
* ScreenCam-com.orpheusdroid.screenrecorder-22-v1.8.5.apk
* Shopping List-com.woefe.shoppinglist-8-v0.8.0.apk
* Simple Stopwatch-toplab18.apps.simplestopwatch-8-v1.08.apk
* Simply Do-kdk.android.simplydo-3-v0.9.3.apk
* Solar Compass-com.agnibho.android.solarcompass-1-v1.0.apk
* Stopwatch-com.kodarkooperativet.notificationstopwatch-6-v1.4.apk
* Talkatone-com.talkatone.android-1804041547-v5.7.9.apk
* TalkBack-com.google.android.marvin.talkback-60100449-v6.1.0.186797687.apk
* TextNow-com.enflick.android.TextNow-11742-v5.50.0.apk
* Topo Maps-com.realgeography.topocache-14-v2.0.1.apk
* Trackbook-org.y20k.trackbook-20-v1.1.4.apk
* US Topo Maps-com.atlogis.northamerica.free-63-v4.5.16 free.apk
* ViewRanger-com.augmentra.viewranger.android-8030701-v8.3.70.apk
* VLC-org.videolan.vlc-12051204-v2.5.12.apk
* Voice-com.google.android.apps.googlevoice-107776-v5.9.191668881.apk
* Voice Notify-com.pilot51.voicenotify-22-v1.1.2.apk
* WebRadio-starcom.snd-2-v1.2.apk
* Wifi Analyser-com.keuwl.wifi-6-v1.10.apk
* Wifi Analyzer-com.farproc.wifi.analyzer-133-v3.10.6-L.apk
* WiFiAnalyzer-com.vrem.wifianalyzer-35-v1.8.9.apk
* X-plore-com.lonelycatgames.Xplore-40000-v4.00.00.apk

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 10.07.18 um 10:51 schrieb R.Wieser:

> "?? Good Guy ??" <Hello...@Example.com> wrote in message
> news:pi0hi2$e8m$1...@news.mixmin.net...
>
>> No but Arlen Holder is not your typical sane person.
>
> And neither are you.
>
> While I could regard Arlen as a nuissance, you seem to be downright
> malicious.

And you are proven Troll by self-declaration.

*ROTFLSTC*

[R.Wieser]

Joerg,

> And you are proven Troll by self-declaration.

And just because you say so - without any kind of explanation - makes it
true ? Really?

Kiddo, if anyone is (or rather tries-and-fails to) troll its you. :-)

Also, did you just use your real name ? That would be quite a slip-up ...
Did I make you mad or something ? If so, it sucks to be you. :-D

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 11.07.18 um 13:19 schrieb R.Wieser:

> Joerg,
>
>> And you are proven Troll by self-declaration.
>
> And just because you say so - without any kind of explanation - makes it
> true ? Really?

Newbie?

[Joerg Lorenz]

Am 11.07.18 um 13:19 schrieb R.Wieser:

> Joerg,
>
>> And you are proven Troll by self-declaration.
>
> And just because you say so - without any kind of explanation - makes it
> true ? Really?

Learn to set a correct FUP2.

And you are the same stupid Troll using an anonymous Troll-server:

Path: news.albasani.net!news.mixmin.net!aioe.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail
From: "R.Wieser" <add...@not.available>

[Frank Slootweg]

You should really give up your troll hunting, because you're very bad
at it. You misidentify people, state the bloody obvious, yell 'troll'
where there's none but you, etc..

FYI, Rudy is a long time and well-respected Netizen. That you
apparently don't know him, is nobody's problem but yours.

[R.Wieser]

Good Guy / Joerg,

>> And just because you say so - without any kind of explanation - makes it
>> true ? Really?
>

> Newbie?

Ofcourse! That must be it! That I did not think of that ... :-)

And don't let yourself be stopped by some easily discoverable fact.

> Learn to set a correct FUP2.

The one I used is coming from *your* post, which means that if its wrong its
*you* who made the mistake. :-D

And I suggest you read up to what FUP2 actually is, before you make an ass
outof yourself (more than you are currently already doing I mean). Hint:
its not (part of) what you quoted.

I could ofcourse give you the relevant RFC number, but I think I will let
you find it for yourself. :-)

> And you are the same stupid Troll using an anonymous Troll-server:

"same" ?

And again, "truths" without any kind explanation. You sound like a broken
record (most likely from before your time, a kind of physical MP3), and
exactly as usefull.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I wish I could say you where trolling, but instead you're just crude and
mean. And you suck at even that. :-)

[Arlen Holder]

On 11 Jul 2018 05:23:14 GMT, R.Wieser wrote:

> I could ofcourse give you the relevant RFC number, but I think I will let
> you find it for yourself. :-)

Hi Rudy,

Those half dozen worthless trolls can _never_ add on-topic technical value.
Hence, you're "conversing" with people with no technical knowledge at all.
- Frank Slootweg
- Char Jackson
- Joerg Lorenz
- nospam
- Rene Lamontagne
- Good Guy
None of them can ever add on-topic technical value
None of them has ever once added on-topic technical value (Frank did once.)

You're playing their troll game by trying to talk 'sense' into them.
Hehhehheh ... They post to Usenet purely for their own amusement.

I don't think Joerg Lorenz is as dangerous as Good Guy proves himself to
be, but Joerg Lorenz has proven to have the mindset of a fourth grader,
where he has never once added on-topic value to *any thread* in his entire
life.

So you provide Joerg Lorenz his amusement by trying to talk logical sense.

I doubt a single one of those half-dozen worthless chitchat trolls has a
formal education, which is why your conversation with Joerg Lorenz has
instantly devolved to classic grade-school behavior on his part.

There are only 3 posters in this thread who added any on-topic value.
- The Real Bev
- John McGaw
- And me

Moving forward, staying on topic, and *adding technical value*, the post
you should spend your energy wish is this I just provided, which contains a
lot of good useful technical value for the benefit of the overall group.
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general/jBZoAEYfDZw/x1FagH6cBQAJ>

That post was in response to this question over on the iOS newsgroup by
sms, who is an educated intelligent person (unlike the uneducated rabble
you're trying to talk sense to):
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/misc.phone.mobile.iphone/hryIbiJk-7k/V_GusEsVBAAJ>

Using the method I described in the OP for the tribal archives to benefit,
I was easily able to show him how to do what he didn't think was possible.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk015.jpg>

Since I was ahead of him, technically, I had to delete all my APK archives
on the old phone so that I could show him how to do it from scratch, so
that the APKs are built *after the fact* (which a lot of people do not
understand).
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk020.jpg>

Let me repeat that key point, lest the reader miss the huge value therein.

The APKs are all built well *after* the free apps were installed - that's
one of the beauties of this system. So even if, as in sms' case, the app no
longer exists on Google Play, as long as the app is installed on your
phone, *you _always_ can build the APK!*

This also works for old versions, for example, if you have the original
version of ES File Explorer installed (or archived) which allows you to use
it well after they've gone over to the dark side.

In my case, the screen was so badly shattered that it was leaking a black
opaque fluid under the glass, so it was unusable.
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk020.jpg>

In that second problem set, using Windows as the user interface to the
Android device was essential! I would have used Windows anyway, simply
because moving a hundred files is easier done with a mouse, keyboard, and
huge screen - but in this case, Windows was essential because the screen on
the old phone was essentially useless.

With these three steps, I accurately moved *just* the 110 non-system apps
(I turned off the system button) from an Android 5.x phone to an Android
7.x phone, and the apps will all install just fine.

1. Run an App Backup to create the APKs and then connect to Windows on USB
2. Copy the 110 newly generated APKs from the old phone to the new phone
3. Using a file explorer, tap the APKs, one by one, to install them

This easily reproduces the *exact* 110 installed apps on the new phone!
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk016.jpg>

There is zero need for a Google Play account (& all that entails).

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 12:30:48 GMT, John McGaw wrote:

> Would any sane person want "hundreds of apps" on their phone,free or not?

Hi John McGaw,

Thanks for bringing up the issue of the number of apps to archive.

I confirmed that my old phone only has 110 installed apps on it, where I
was remiss in not explaining the following caveats in the original post
with respect to the 299 apps that were originally copied over:
1. If you turn off "system app" archiving, the numbers are far less
2. If you turn off "version" archiving, the numbers are far less
3. I do a lot of testing so I have more apps than most people, most likely.

For those three reasons, the actual number of apps that most people have is
far less than 299, as you had correctly surmised.

How much less?
I don't know since I just turned off system archival and wiped out the old
APKs and then generated new APKs (meaning there were no other version but
the currently installed version) and that came up with 110 apps on a phone
that I have only had for a couple of months (so it's not fully populated).

I proved this by running a test for a poster who asked how to install an
old app that is no longer on Google Play over here:
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.ipad/z_vztaAbOfM/qWU5BBfkBAAJ>

It is easy for people to test, where I suspect the number of apps that most
people have installed to be around 50 or so, which is less than half of
what I have installed.

But I don't really know how many apps most people have on Android.
It takes only seconds to figure that out though, for each device.

Q: How many apps do most people install?
A: I do not know - I have 110 on a phone that was a secondary device.
Most people, I'd guess, have about half that number installed.

It would be useful for others to post their results, which is easy to do.
1. Back up all your installed apps to APKs on Windows
2. Count the APKs you backed up to Windows

[Arlen Holder]

On 11 Jul 2018 15:45:12 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> 1. If you turn off "system app" archiving, the numbers are far less
> 2. If you turn off "version" archiving, the numbers are far less
> 3. I do a lot of testing so I have more apps than most people, most likely.
>
> For those three reasons, the actual number of apps that most people have is
> far less than 299, as you had correctly surmised.

John McGaw and The Real Bev,

I just realized there is a fourth reason for my high app count, which is
that I test software, and I usually have the backup program set to
automatic, which means that even if I delete a program after it fails the
test, there is still the APK backed up automatically which remains.

It doesn't cause any problems, other than it raises the APK count.

So for these four reasons, most people have far less than 299 apps:
1. That count included system apps
2. That count included apps that were deleted after testing
3. That count included versions of apps that were installed at one time
4. That count includes apps that I'm currently testing for viability

You both bring up a good point though, which is the question of how many
apps does a typical Android user actually install that they need to
populate to a new phone?

I don't know.
I suspect the typical number of installed apps is closer to 50 than 100.

To add to the tribal knowledge, I posted that query just now over here:
How many and what apps do the typical Android users install anyway?
<https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.mobile.android/f7AZHmGIQxA>

[Arlen Holder]

In addition to using Windows to populate your Android phone with all your
apps, you can also use Windows to populate your iPods and Android phones
with any non-drm-restricted MP3 you have anywhere.

I documented this in many tutorials in the past, where I just dug up some
of the old screenshots to explain to Pete Cresswell how he could save his
MP3 files using Windows sans the Orwellian iTunes abomination over here:
How do I copy my smartphone photos to my computer?
<https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/KSnVG4RvjlA/btEBHCirAQAJ>

Here are those screenshots, for your edification, which show an example of
copying MP3 files from *any* iPod on the planet to any Windows computer on
the planet (where the old SharePod software stored on the iPod runs much
like a "portable app" does today).

1. This is the freeware SharePod 3.9.6 that I used on Windows 10:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod001.jpg>
2. The SharePod stored on the iPod is much like today's portable apps:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod002.jpg>
3. Here we batch copy (& rename) files from iPod to Windows 10:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod003.jpg>
4. Resulting in an organized archive of all files on any number of iPods:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod004.jpg>
5. Populate the iPod by syncing with any number of Windows MP3 files:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod005.jpg>
6. If desired, the ID3 tags can all be batch organized to your liking:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod006.jpg>
7. With the result that you have unrestricted access to your iPod:
<http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_ipod007.jpg>

As always, the goal is completely unrestricted access *simultaneously* to
all your file systems, where you can plug in as many different iOS and that
alone, sans installing any software on Windows, you immediately have full
and completely unrestricted read/write access to all the visible file
systems on all your devices.

[Arlen Holder]

On 11 Jul 2018 17:56:11 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> As always, the goal is completely unrestricted access *simultaneously* to
> all your file systems, where you can plug in as many different iOS and that
> alone, sans installing any software on Windows, you immediately have full
> and completely unrestricted read/write access to all the visible file
> systems on all your devices

typos crept in... corrected below...

As always, the goal is completely unrestricted access *simultaneously* to

all your device file systems, where you can plug in as many different iOS,
iPod, and Android devices - where that alone - sans installing any software
on Windows that isn't already there, you immediately have full and

[Frank Slootweg]

Arlen Holder <arlen...@nospam.net> aka The Lying Liar lied:

> On 11 Jul 2018 05:23:14 GMT, R.Wieser wrote:
>
> > I could ofcourse give you the relevant RFC number, but I think I will let
> > you find it for yourself. :-)
>
> Hi Rudy,
>
> Those half dozen worthless trolls can _never_ add on-topic technical value.
> Hence, you're "conversing" with people with no technical knowledge at all.
> - Frank Slootweg
> - Char Jackson
> - Joerg Lorenz
> - nospam
> - Rene Lamontagne
> - Good Guy

Earth to 'Arlen': Plonking someone does *not* mean you still mention
their name, let alone talk shit about them.

Ergo, you have *not* plonked anyone, because you clearly don't have
the needed self control.

You have so little self control that you even 'promoted' me to the top
of your pathetic list.

> None of them can ever add on-topic technical value
> None of them has ever once added on-topic technical value (Frank did once.)

Once != not ever

Why would someone with an "excellent education" be so bad in English/
logic.

But - your pathetic English/logic aside - neither 'not ever' nor
"once" is true. It's, as everybody - including you - knows, yet another
of your constantly repeated lies.

But that's what liars do, don't they, they lie.

[...]

[Arlen Holder]

On 11 Jul 2018 10:04:56 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> In this case, we've just installed the NewPipe app from its APK:
> <http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk018.jpg>

Regarding that one app that I first tested for users here:
>https://newpipe.schabi.org/>

With respect to sheer *power*, that one freeware open-source NewPipe
Android app gives you *tremendous* power & functionality, such that you'll
never use the YouTube app ever again.

1. That one free open-source app searches & plays all YouTube videos,
2. And it downloads (and/or strips) audio/video from that video,
2. At the same time it automatically eliminates all YouTube advertisements.

All that without logging into or creating any user account whatsoever
(e.g., you can subscribe to a channel, without creating any account.)

There are other goodies in this one free app, such as "soundcloud"
integration, history settings, search settings, quality settings, audio &
video player settings, picture in picture settings, replacement of special
characters by default, setting the default home page to kiosk, feed,
subscription, channel, etc., but the major advantages of this single
freeware app functionality are:

a. free youtube replacement
b. downloads and strips audio & video
c. never do you ever see an advertisement

You'll never use the YouTube app ever again once you load New Pipe:
<https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.schabi.newpipe/>

And you can use Windows to manage the download directories, such
that you use Windows to create the repositories of the downloaded
audio and video - so that you can manage and edit them on Windows
(e.g., to create ringtones from your favorite songs).

[Wolf K]

On 2018-07-10 14:02, Arlen Holder wrote:
[...]

> I
> respond to valid queries in any thread that I author.

[...]

There's your fundamental misconception about Usenet: You do not "author"
a thread. you start one. Where it goes cannot be controlled by you. Your
"calling out" participants whose comments you dislike wastes a lot of
bandwidth. If the are truly trolls, they will thrive on the attention.
If they are not trolls, they will will react with some combination of
boredom and irritation.

And while above comment does not "add technical value" to your question
(which interests me not at all), it does add technical value to your
concept of Usenet. If, that is, you are willing to learn.

Have a good day,

--
Wolf K
kirkwood40.blogspot.com
What you choose to do with your body will, inevitably, have
psychological consequences.

[Arlen Holder]

On 9 Jul 2018 12:10:34 GMT, Arlen Holder wrote:

> How to use Windows to populate your new Android phone

Here are more tips on using Windows to populate the Android file system
using a systematically defined method for all your Android devices, which
results not only in well organized menus, but also a well organized Android
file system.

Just as on Windows, the file system mirrors the menu system, and vice
versa, where there are only about a dozen general tasks we all do on all
machines.

So my philosophy is, by design, to have a single homescreen populated with
only about a dozen folders, which contain all hundred apps installed.

Here is the work-in-progress Android homescreen organized into tasks:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk022.jpg

Here are the filesystem folders for the appdata for those dozen tasks:
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_android_apk023.jpg

In keeping with the power of Windows' keyboard, mouse, and large screen, I
used Windows to populate the Android device with over a hundred apps, where
I also just now used Windows to create the dozen canonical locations for
information about those dozen types of apps.

On Linux & Windows, the only directory I store things in is
\data (linux)
C:\data (Windows)
But Android already has a "\sdcard0\data" hierarchy so I have to name it
\sdcard0\0data
Where I used Windows to populate the following folders with files:
.\0data\software\{dozen folders that are the same as on the homescreen)
<homescreen.jpg>

Those dozen folders containing the hundred apps are 0data\software\.
1. time (e.g., calendars, clocks, timers, tasks, stopwatches, etc.)
2. talk (e.g., phone, mail, voip, contacts, sms, etc.)
3. file (e.g., file editors, file browsers, folder shortcuts, etc.)
4. buy (e.g., barcode scanners, calculators, shopping lists, etc.)
5. map (e.g., roadmaps, topomaps, logers, compasses, starmaps, etc.)
6. dock (e.g., phone, sms, contact, mic, dashcam, & camera)
7. audio (e.g., recorders, call recorders, ringtone generators, etc.)
8. pic (e.g., gallery, camera)
9. vid (e.g., youtube clones, youtube, players, etc.)
10. network (e.g., wifi scanners, cell scanners, servers, vpn, etc.)
11. browse (e.g., tor browsers, firefox browsers, chromium browsers, etc.)
12. sys (e.g., app drawer, settings, backup ops, repositories, etc.}

Inside these dozen folders is a Windows created and maintained readme.log
file for each app which contains information about those Android apps, just
as on Windows the same organized philosophy is used.