xkcd: 3D printers
tekniq
James McCracken
lol!
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The Ruttmeister
actual request very recently along those lines.
Not a design I'd upload to thingiverse!
Or want to model for that matter.
Ross Mosshart
I foresee a 3d scanner, purpose built, for the copying of such things. Made by someone other than me.
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The Ruttmeister
Ross Mosshart
And the limits of the Cupcake and TOM build area once again prove that its not the size of the tool that matters!
On Jul 15, 2011 1:19 PM, "The Ruttmeister" <type...@googlemail.com> wrote:
I foresee excessive use of the scale function in RepG.
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The Ruttmeister
On Jul 15, 11:30 am, Ross Mosshart <ross.mossh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> And the limits of the Cupcake and TOM build area once again prove that its
> not the size of the tool that matters!
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Ross Mosshart
And external cannister style frostruders?
On Jul 15, 2011 1:33 PM, "The Ruttmeister" <type...@googlemail.com> wrote:
And now I see a market for very very tall printers.
On Jul 15, 11:30 am, Ross Mosshart <ross.mossh...@gmail.com> wrote: > And the limits of the Cupcak...
> On Jul 15, 2011 1:19 PM, "The Ruttmeister" <typea...@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I foresee excessiv...
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James McCracken
And no, you can't upload to thingiverse. It's against their TOS.
We need something like sexythingiverse.com...
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The Ruttmeister
> We need something like sexythingiverse.com...
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Sigh.
Because it probably already exists.
wurp
Ross Mosshart
Never fear, we won't let him forget that he made it.
On Jul 15, 2011 3:59 PM, "wurp" <bobbym...@gmail.com> wrote:On Jul 15, 8:53 am, James McCracken <merlin...@gmail.com> wrote: > bring on the giant penii
There's a comment you don't want taken out of context...
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Brian Stott
Sigh.
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Andrew Plumb
Brian brings up a good point.
Pre-emptively putting on my moderator hat before any formal requests come in: Please keep the discussions on this particular (MakerBot Google Group) list PG-rated, for machine assembly and printing techniques and troubleshooting. Think "Would I see this [discussed] in a Pixar film".
For more mature/adult-rated content discussion, there was an "I've had enough of NSFW models on thingiverse" thread over in Thingiverse - http://groups.google.com/group/thingiverse/browse_thread/thread/6e78608da02f525a
At least with the Thingiverse group, the discussion of such topics is consistent with the expectations of the terms of service; see http://www.thingiverse.com/legal
Thanks!
Andrew.
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Z LeHericy
Normally this list is clean, im shocked to see a discussion like this here. There's a time and a place for perverse jokes, and this really isn't it. There are a good number of members of this community that would much prefer this kind of content to be left off.
Ross Mosshart
Mike Payson
It seems sad to me that a few moralists feel they have the right to censor what everyone else can read, regardless of the fact that nothing would cross the line of offensiveness to 98% of the world. Unfortunately the moralists have already driven away one member, and if they have their way I will probably be removed also. So be it, there are better things to do in the world than appease the moralists.
Attention moderators: If the "inappropriate" word in my comment is deemed too offensive for the list, please feel free to delete my membership. I am not willing to participate in a list that is willing to censor harmless humor and commentary to that level.
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Mike Payson
Andrew Plumb
It's a fair point; thanks for posting it. Bare in mind that (my non-legal interpretation of) that clause only applies to privacy protection, not content. My 7yo and 4yo know what their penis, testicles and vagina are and I wouldn't have it any other way because they also know that those are their private parts and are not for sharing with others. So no, I'm not about boot anyone for using the proper terminology in a Parentally Guided (PG) setting. We've only covered the waste elimination aspects to date; we haven't had to tackle their reproductive uses yet.
The gotcha is in that grey area between 13 and a given jurisdiction's age of consent. Think of content governed by NC-17 ratings, at least one US state's anti marital aid laws, and what could be misconstrued when your laptop's searched while crossing international borders. Thingiverse has the explicit NC-17 legal wording; the main MakerBot wiki, forums and mailing-list do not have this expectation.
Posting links to (currently hypothetical - I checked - but likely not for long now) adult entertainment themed sites was my main point of caution and concern.
That said, we do need more anatomically correct, parametric medical reference source material. Examples of tools that wouldn't have tweaked my moderator mode include Parametric Human (see http://www.parametrichuman.org/) and Make Human (see http://www.makehuman.org/).
...Of course my own assumption is that materials like National Geographic and Grey's Anatomy aren't censored from high school libraries (a PG-13 setting) these days; they weren't from mine back in the day. Caveat: I also had a subscription to Playboy via my dad (half-joke request by me on my 16th b-day) and supplied a few of said-magazine to friends for legitimate sociology and english class projects, but that was from 16yo me-then to 16yo friends-then, not me-now to potentially underage jail-bait.
My moderator request still stands, but hopefully this clarifies where and why I'm drawing this particular line in this specific group.
Thanks!
Andrew.
On 2011-07-15, at 8:40 PM, Mike Payson wrote:
> Can I just point out that nothing in this thread has been beyond "PG-13" level humor, and that that the Google Groups ToS explicitly forbid people under 13 from being members? It seems to me that Brian is OK with teaching his children that ignoring the rules is ok but the word penis is somehow inappropriate. Seems to be a pretty messed up view of the world to me.
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> It seems sad to me that a few moralists feel they have the right to censor what everyone else can read, regardless of the fact that nothing would cross the line of offensiveness to 98% of the world. Unfortunately the moralists have already driven away one member, and if they have their way I will probably be removed also. So be it, there are better things to do in the world than appease the moralists.
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> Attention moderators: If the "inappropriate" word in my comment is deemed too offensive for the list, please feel free to delete my membership. I am not willing to participate in a list that is willing to censor harmless humor and commentary to that level.
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> On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Z LeHericy <zen...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Normally this list is clean, im shocked to see a discussion like this here. There's a time and a place for perverse jokes, and this really isn't it. There are a good number of members of this community that would much prefer this kind of content to be left off.
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> On Jul 15, 2011 3:07 PM, "Brian Stott" <sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It is sad. My 12 year old is on this list. I thought how cool, playful and wholesome to think, create and build. Sigh. Now, I have to monitor this too...
> >
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The Ruttmeister
Nothing actually obscene was discussed, only alluded to,
And if anyone is worried about this group exposing their children to
anything inapropriate... just don't let them access the internet, as
another xkcd strip pointed out. :)
Brian Stott
Nice smokey prose - though worthless for maturity and appropriateness.
It is the behavior and response that tears the family and society down to a sad base.
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From: Andrew Plumb <and...@plumb.org>
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Subject: Clarification of my moderator request (Re: [MakerBot] Re: xkcd: 3D printers)
Hi Mike (and Ross; cc'd in case you've followed through on the unsub),
It's a fair point; thanks for posting it. Bare in mind that (my non-legal interpretation of) that clause only applies to privacy protection, not content. My 7yo and 4yo know what their penis, testicles and vagina are and I wouldn't have it any other way because they also know that those are their private parts and are not for sharing with others. So no, I'm not about boot anyone for using the proper terminology in a Parentally Guided (PG) setting. We've only covered the waste elimination aspects to date; we haven't had to tackle their reproductive uses yet.
The gotcha is in that grey area between 13 and a given jurisdiction's age of consent. Think of content governed by NC-17 ratings, at least one US state's anti marital aid laws, and what could be misconstrued when your laptop's searched while crossing international borders. Thingiverse has the explicit NC-17 legal wording; the main MakerBot wiki, forums and mailing-list do not have this expectation.
Posting links to (currently hypothetical - I checked - but likely not for long now) adult entertainment themed sites was my main point of caution and concern.
That said, we do need more anatomically correct, parametric medical reference source material. Examples of tools that wouldn't have tweaked my moderator mode include Parametric Human (see http://www.parametrichuman.org/) and Make Human (see http://www.makehuman.org/).
...Of course my own assumption is that materials like National Geographic and Grey's Anatomy aren't censored from high school libraries (a PG-13 setting) these days; they weren't from mine back in the day. Caveat: I also had a subscription to Playboy via my dad (half-joke request by me on my 16th b-day) and supplied a few of said-magazine to friends for legitimate sociology and english class projects, but that was from 16yo me-then to 16yo friends-then, not me-now to potentially underag
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Brian Stott
This forum of adults have been enjoying mature, responsible and value driven activity for years without this low moral person and family degrading matter. There is a time and place to stand for edifying and society lifting values. This is the time now.
The actions of ??? are threatening the many. Grow up who ever condones and promotes the disruptive beliefs and behavior or take your crudeness to another venue.
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Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 8:48 PM
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Z LeHericy:
Normally this list is clean, im shocked to see a discussion like this here. There's a time and a place for perverse jokes, and this really isn't it. There are a good number of members of this community that would much prefer this kind of content to be left off.
On Jul 15, 2011 3:07 PM, "Brian Stott" <sto...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It is sad. My 12 year old is on this list. I thought how cool, playful and wholesome to think, create and build. Sigh. Now, I have to monitor this too...
>
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> Sent: Friday, July 15, 2011 4:42 PM
> To: MakerBot Operators <make...@googlegroups.com>
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>> We need something like sexythingiverse.com...
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> No... no we don't.
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> Sigh.
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> Because it probably already exists.
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Brian Stott
They both are also welcomed as HAMs amongst the oldsters here. Mine had there licenses at 11 and 10.
They also have been graced to belay at several climbing gyms in: CA, OH, CO, and PA.
Also, graced to pack food for the needy, power wash the large diesal delivery trucks, mow lawns, reconditions steps for the elderly. And I've got years of actions denoting maturity, volunteering, contributions.
Getting any clarity on maturity and ability to be involved?
We do not need trash everywhere to be in the world. We make our world. And I hope most of the forum will support my sentiments here. I thankfully see some have.
For God to continue to Bless America we have to take care of it.
It seems sad to me that a few moralists feel they have the right to censor what everyone else can read, regardless of the fact that nothing would cross the line of offensiveness to 98% of the world. Unfortunately the moralists have already driven away one member, and if they have their way I will probably be removed also. So be it, there are better things to do in the world than appease the moralists.
Mike Payson
To Payson. No it isn't delete, move on, be happy. Trash breeds trash. Low standards condone the next level of degradation.
This forum of adults have been enjoying mature, responsible and value driven activity for years without this low moral person and family degrading matter. There is a time and place to stand for edifying and society lifting values. This is the time now.
The actions of ??? are threatening the many. Grow up who ever condones and promotes the disruptive beliefs and behavior or take your crudeness to another venue.
Joel Chia
-Joel
Joel Chia
-Joel
Whosawhatsis
(because the subject matter is off-topic, not because of some
puritanical objection to its existence) for this list (as opposed to,
say, the thingiverse list), I think bringing up religion in this list
is much more inappropriate. Any posts that make you think about sex or
mythology should probably be reconsidered or redirected only because
this list is intended for technical discussion.
That said, the denial of reality is unhealthy, and if you let your
children use email, they've probably gotten one of the advertisements
for anatomical enhancement that the comic was joking about. If we're
going to pretend to live in a world where genitals don't exist, we
might as well pretend to live in a world where Ohm's Law doesn't
exist. After all, the latter would not exist without the former.
James McCracken
ruckus (and/or the original comic - I'm not prideful enough to think
that my ability to shock comes anywhere near that of the xkcd folks)
I just want to thank the community for saying it so I didn't have to.
The one thing I can add to the excellent arguments by Joel and some of
the others is...
Telling a bad joke, no matter how poor the taste, does not become
worse just because you didn't get it.
I didn't use any terminology that's considered crude or offensive
(unless you follow the rules of true pluralization of 3rd descensions
- as another list member so kindly pointed out to me lol)
I certainly didn't refer to anything that wasn't in the original link.
And if your 13+ age child doesn't know what a penis is, I think
there's some more basic education than makerbotting you need to cover.
Nick Ames
> with some mature adults
Let's consider the implications of this fact. If, as you say, we are
mature adults, then we will sometimes make jokes about things that
adults consider funny. These jokes are normal; they are not "trash", as
you claim, but the result of adults having a laugh.
If, as you claim, your child is as "non-ignorant, non-foolish,
intelligent [and] respectful" as you claim, then he/she should be mature
enough to tolerate jokes about genitalia, without freaking out or being
emotionally scarred. If they are not mature enough, than you should not
allow them to participate.
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Bill Culverhouse
Joheinz
Could you please move the discussion to some other mailing group, such as american...@googlegroups.com? I loved the joke and thanks for sharing it, but the resulting discussion, legal counsel which ensued got a bit boring... Markus
Am 16.07.2011 20:53 schrieb "Bill Culverhouse" <bill.cul...@gmail.com>:Ditto here.Is the problem here that a 12 year old boy doesn't know what a penis isor doesn't know about spam?-b
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 3:21 AM, Joel Chia <j...@revivalstudios.com> wrote:
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> I seriously can't tell...
Matthew LaBerge
And if anyone was serriously offended by this and choses to
unsubscribe to this group I say bye bye!
Zip Zap
Sent: Fri, July 15, 2011 5:40:30 PM
Subject: Re: [MakerBot] Re: xkcd: 3D printers
Skyway Man
Kurt Wendt
died by now - that comic you pointed to was Hysterical and also Quite
poignant to the current discussion thread here!!!
Touche Mr. SkyWay!
-K-
On 7/18/2011 9:43 AM, Skyway Man wrote:
> http://xkcd.com/386/
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