Lojban Uni in Second Life?

[la .lindar.]

Mr. Imami seems to think that having an interactive University on Second Life is a good idea and a decent expenditure of time and effort. I'm reaching out my black tendrils and grabbing for opinions. Would any of you play on Second Life in a virtual Lojbanistan? Could we feasibly have a community with a reasonable number of active participants? If we had our own little area and a decent number of people on at any one time, I think it might be fun and worth my time.

[Jonathan Jones]

I'll agree with you on the worth my time thing. I'll give a tentative yes.

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 6:43 PM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Imami seems to think that having an interactive University on Second Life is a good idea and a decent expenditure of time and effort. I'm reaching out my black tendrils and grabbing for opinions. Would any of you play on Second Life in a virtual Lojbanistan? Could we feasibly have a community with a reasonable number of active participants? If we had our own little area and a decent number of people on at any one time, I think it might be fun and worth my time.

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[Luke Bergen]

Make that a second tentative yes.

[MorphemeAddict]

Possibly maybe I would participate. 

stevo

On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 8:43 PM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

Mr. Imami seems to think that having an interactive University on Second Life is a good idea and a decent expenditure of time and effort. I'm reaching out my black tendrils and grabbing for opinions. Would any of you play on Second Life in a virtual Lojbanistan? Could we feasibly have a community with a reasonable number of active participants? If we had our own little area and a decent number of people on at any one time, I think it might be fun and worth my time.

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[Sebastian Fröjd]

Sounds fun, but I've never played Second Life. How does it works?

/jongausib

[Arnt Richard Johansen]

I would probably visit once or twice, then quickly lose interest. It's more difficult to hang out on SL than on IRC, and I can't think of any benefits that SL has over text-based chat wrt. Lojban.

But you should probably ask other language communities what they do with SL, such as Esperanto or Loglan.

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[Jonathan Jones]

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:51 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen <a...@nvg.org> wrote:

On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 05:43:12PM -0700, la .lindar. wrote:
> Mr. Imami seems to think that having an interactive University on Second
> Life is a good idea and a decent expenditure of time and effort. I'm
> reaching out my black tendrils and grabbing for opinions. Would any of you
> play on Second Life in a virtual Lojbanistan? Could we feasibly have a
> community with a reasonable number of active participants? If we had our
> own little area and a decent number of people on at any one time, I think
> it might be fun and worth my time.

I would probably visit once or twice, then quickly lose interest. It's more difficult to hang out on SL than on IRC, and I can't think of any benefits that SL has over text-based chat wrt. Lojban.

On that note, does SL only have text-based chat, or is there voice as well?
 

But you should probably ask other language communities what they do with SL, such as Esperanto or Loglan.

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[MorphemeAddict]

Second Life is not a game, it's an online virtual world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Life 

I have visited there, and was not sufficiently wowwed to keep going back. But Lojban might be a big enough draw for me. 

stevo

[Remo Dentato]

I'm not on SL much often but I used to be. There's a Lojban group (I'm
in there) but the only one that I was able to meet was Cyril (that is
more on the Loglan shores, these days).

Using the Phoenix Viewer (instead of the standard SL viewer from
Linden Lab) it was possible to connect to the IRC channel. This means
that people in SL can chat with people on the IRC channel which should
help the participation.

I took some picture of me and Cyril meeting on my land:
http://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/109957558181002488746/albums/5641583973471450289

Don't be fooled by the presence of other "people", we were just two :)

So, if there any Lojban activity on SL I can be there. I've only a
tiny fraction of the land left (no reason to pay for land I was not
using) but I can easily build a meeting place or a classroom.

[Remo Dentato]

Forgot to say: SL has voice chat along with texttual chat.

[vitci'i]

On 05/07/2012 03:51 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote:
> I would probably visit once or twice, then quickly lose interest.

I'd probably do the same thing.

> It's more difficult to hang out on SL than on IRC, and I can't think
> of any benefits that SL has over text-based chat wrt. Lojban.

Navigation signage written in lojban, so that you are forced to exercise
the language functionally in order to achieve concrete short-term goals,
but not necessarily as fast as is required for chatting and in smaller
chunks than reading an article.

[la .lindar.]

Navigation signage written in lojban, so that you are forced to exercise
the language functionally in order to achieve concrete short-term goals,
but not necessarily as fast as is required for chatting and in smaller
chunks than reading an article.

This is more like what we were planning. Interactive learning museums (musea?), signs and meta text in Lojban, ways to learn vocabulary and other such things. Maybe banseljaj can provide some input? 

[Cyril Slobin]

On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Remo Dentato <rden...@gmail.com> wrote:

> There's a Lojban group (I'm in there) but the only one that I was able to meet
> was Cyril (that is more on the Loglan shores, these days).

I am really more on Loglan shores these days, but please please don't
consider this as a betrayal, or language wars, or such. Lojban is
definitely the most successful implementation of the Loglan idea
nowadays, but I believe that TLI Loglan still may have it's place
under the Sun. :-)

Considering Lojban SL Learning center, or museum, or such: I have
always had a dream to build the (virtual) Loglan Institute and
(virtual) Embassy of Lojbanistan (or whatever will the title be) in
front of each other. Twin buildings, or even two entrances into the
same building, or such. And now I do own a small parcel of SL land
directly across the road from the (virtual) Loglan Institute
Headquarters. And of course, I am willing to supply it for (virtual)
Embassy of Lojbanistan. Of course, this does not exclude the Remo's
suggestion: we can have both (linked by teleport or such).

And, of course, Lojbanists are always welcome to use the Loglan
Institute HQ in SL for their meetings at any time!

Technical note: SL does have a voice chat built in, but many residents
typically have some problems to set it up right. Consider about a half
of participants may be not able to use it. Therefore, say, the
Esperanto learning courses in SL are using both voice-powered lessons,
and text-only lessons for people with voice disabled. Consider voice
as a nice additional feature, but not as the basic one.

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[la .lindar.]

Considering Lojban SL Learning center, or museum, or such: I have
always had a dream to build the (virtual) Loglan Institute and
(virtual) Embassy of Lojbanistan (or whatever will the title be) in
front of each other. Twin buildings, or even two entrances into the
same building, or such. And now I do own a small parcel of SL land
directly across the road from the (virtual) Loglan Institute
Headquarters. And of course, I am willing to supply it for (virtual)
Embassy of Lojbanistan. Of course, this does not exclude the Remo's
suggestion: we can have both (linked by teleport or such).

And, of course, Lojbanists are always welcome to use the Loglan
Institute HQ in SL for their meetings at any time!

I think this settles it. We'll have to set something up soon. 

[banseljaj]

Hello and welcome back.

This is great news. and as lindar said, we are planning a community/embassy and an institute.
Can you meet me in SL? I am Imami Nayar their. My SL experience is not that much bu I know the basics and I really want this to happen.
Also, How much land do you have?
Regards
banseljaj

[vruxir]

I could maybe be interested for a little while before I get sucked back into my other studies...

mu'o

[rden...@gmail.com]

I now have just the 512sqm that come with the Premium account. It's not much, but I offer it to the community for being used as part of Lojbanistan. If anyone else wants to to the same we can join land somewhare.

I'd love too to have the Lojban home close the Loglan one (and, who knows, maybe the Cenqli speakers might join us there too).

If I rememember correctly, Cyril, the Loglan institute is on a rentend land, I don't know how expensive is to rent land in that area, but, for how little it can be, I fear we will struggle to get a consistent stream of L$ to pay for a parcel there.



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[Jacob Errington]

And let's not forget about the (do they exist?) speakers of gua\spi !

[Cyril Slobin]

Just to report: an spontaneous jbopre meeting has just happened in SL.
If I haven't missed someone, six alive lojbanists was there. We start
at TLI HQ, then visited my humble home, then just walking around. I'll
write about planned Lojban-dedicated location a bit later (now I am
almost too late to my train, sorry), but anyway a gathering was
impressive. A good start!

[la .lindar.]

Hey, this is really cool! I'm not to familiar with how this works, so if you'd like to write out a pre-formatted post for me with links/instructions on where things happen and what time, I would gladly post this to g+/fb/twitter so we can drag along a few more folks.

[Cyril Slobin]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 6:36 AM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, this is really cool!

In the news: a group of Lojban monkeys attacks TLI HQ!

For those who wasn't there: some of jpopre was using monley avatars
during the meeting. It was fun, really! :-)

[Cyril Slobin]

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 10:33 PM, <rden...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I rememember correctly, Cyril, the Loglan institute is on a rentend land,

In short: yes, but I also have a parcel of my own nearby. The land
ownership in the Chilbo community is a bit complicated: there is a
community land, owned by a community staff (mostly parks, walking
paths, also a museum and a town hall), a land owned by big land
owners, who are leasing it to other people, and some land owned by
small land owners by them own. I have both my own parcels, and rent a
parcel with building for the Loglan Institute.

> I don't know how expensive is to rent land in that area, but, for how little it can be,
> I fear we will struggle to get a consistent stream of L$ to pay for a parcel there.

Therefore I suggest not to rent a land, but to build our own. If you
are willing to give your 512m tier to Lojban community, and I will
give my 512m parcel (already reserved for this purpose), then we have
1024m in total (plus 10% of group bonus), which is quite enough for
start. And we are not to pay more than we are already doing. (I myself
am not able to pay for my SL activity more than I already do, but, on
the other hand, I have no pressure to reduce my payments; so, these
512m are already there and paid; if you have the same situation with
your 512m tier, then the problem is solved. If you agree with this
plan (to join our tiers and create a 1024m parcel near the Loglan
Institute), I'll mail you the details (and/or send you a notecard
inworld).

[Jonathan Jones]

Where in the hell is this place? Searching in SL for Loglan only finds the group, and that does /not/ help me find the actual location.

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[Cyril Slobin]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Jonathan Jones <eye...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Where in the hell is this place? Searching in SL for Loglan only finds the
> group, and that does /not/ help me find the actual location.

If you will look into the group info, the coordinates of the place are
listed there. I will copy them here for you:

http://slurl.com/secondlife/Soyeonpyeongdo/116/116/62/

(slurls may seem a bit complicated at first, so just search the
Soyeonpyeongdo sim on the map, and teleport near it's center -- it is
there).

Alas the Institute location itself cannot be listed in place search
for some technical complications related to ownership. :-(

And I am now working on establishing the place for the Lojban group
near the this one (I still think to make them one near the other is a
good idea).

[gleki]

That was amazing!

SL is the most impressive way of learning any language.

Whereas in IRC or Mumble you can see the text only and the text is your world

in SL you can describe and discuss things around you like buildings,

flowers, the sky etc.

[rden...@gmail.com]

I'm definitely ok for this. At the moment I don't recall how to donate land to the group, I'll check as soon as I'll get back in SL.

I'll just need to give my parcel to my neighbour and I'll donate the tier to the group.

REmo


Il giorno , Cyril Slobin <cy...@slobin.pp.ru> ha scritto:

[Cyril Slobin]

On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 4:19 PM, <rden...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm definitely ok for this. At the moment I don't recall how to donate land
> to the group, I'll check as soon as I'll get back in SL.
>
> I'll just need to give my parcel to my neighbour and I'll donate the tier to
> the group.

OK. Just now I am logged in in SL, and writing a notecard to you with
exactly the same suggestion. :-) BTW, the group is already created,
and called "lei lojbo seltutra". I'll send you the invitation in a few
minutes. (The existing "Lojban Institute of SL" group will be left for
a general chat, the new one is just for land management).

[la .lindar.]

Yeah, I had kinda figured that. Like many of our projects, people jump with enthusiasm for the first few days and then give up on it. I'm not particularly interested in Second Life and there's not a lot of demand for or interest in it right now. If you want to pursue the project, you are more than welcome, and you can contact banseljaj (Ali Imami) if you need any kind of rights or permissions on the property. If you make something really cool or useful I imagine more people will show up.

[Cyril Slobin]

On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 9:07 PM, la .lindar. <lindar...@gmail.com> wrote:

> or interest in it right now. If you want to pursue the project, you are more
> than welcome, and you can contact banseljaj (Ali Imami) if you need any kind
> of rights or permissions on the property. If you make something really cool

If someone need any kind of rights or permissions, one should contact
me ("Cyril Svoboda" in SL) or Remo ("remod" in SL). The property
technically is belong to us. Honestly, we haven't made anything really
cool so far, but I am a slow type of person in general. At least we
have some "presence" in SL (including {le mo xagji sofbakny} and {le
spofu gusni balji}) Maybe something else will follow. Maybe something
else will follow not soon. Sorry for this.

[Jonathan Jones]

I've gotten on a few times, but I've only encountered other people on there once, and it was only one other person.

Also, I really don't like all the cows.

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[Mark E. Shoulson]

I am (or can be) active on SL; I also have a fair amount of experience in programming and building there and using the tools, etc.  Contact me (Ever Student) if you want to meet there.

~mark

[Jonathan Jones]

How?

to pu benji ti fo lo mi me la.android. samcku toi

mu'o mi'e.aionys.

On Jun 21, 2012 3:33 AM, <osiris_hade...@hotmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 20, 2012 5:13:02 PM UTC-4, aionys wrote:

I've gotten on a few times, but I've only encountered other people on there once, and it was only one other person.

Also, I really don't like all the cows.

Aww, I like the cows. :( They are an endearing homage to Lojban's history. 

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[Cyril Slobin]

On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 3:17 AM, Mark E. Shoulson <ma...@kli.org> wrote:

> I am (or can be) active on SL; I also have a fair amount of experience in
> programming and building there and using the tools, etc.  Contact me (Ever
> Student) if you want to meet there.

I've just sent a group invitation to you. There was some problems
although last time when the invitation recipient was offline. If the
problem occurs again, we'll try to repeat this while both of us will
be online. Sorry, I cannot promise that I will be online in any
definite time this week, but later we can make some schedule.

[Jonathan Jones]

I'm rescinding my earlier statement. Considering that I do not like SL, I never find anyone else at the Lojban site when I am on,  and the general low quality of the Lojban site, the Loglan Institute next door, and the rest of the neighborhood,  I've uninstalled the program and will not be reinstalling it in future.

[Efrain Caro]

This reminds me of Cantr and how it was quite lively at first, but
it's almost dead now. To my knowledge, my two characters and someone
else's is everything that survives. Cantr's "Lojbanistan" is now a
wasteland.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

[Michael Turniansky]

  It's true.   I do keep it alive, but have had very few encounters, with any language group.  Nonetheless, I am still growing the infrastructure (Actually, I never found the lojbanic community there very active)

 --gejyspa

[Efrain Caro]

I know it's against the rules; but I'd want to know where your
characters live. My characters are usually quiet people and I'm still
not very lojban-knowledgeable despite the years I have (intermitently)
learning the language, but it would be nice whether I could bring my
characters to a place where there is some infrastructure.

The last character I saw, and the one I refer to on my previous post,
is now dead. It was called nie rozumien, not a very Lojbanic name.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

[Michael Turniansky]

  Yeah, sorry, I can't do that, despite the fact that I don't think anyone in the players department would know or care about the CRB.  Actually, it's really too bad that my first character, marikaris, died after such a long time, of accidental starvation.  He did a lot to try to advance the knowledge of lojban among the other language groups (he had picked up large chunks of German, and a smattering of Polish and Swedish before he died).

      --gejyspa