A phrase with all the phonemes of Lojban?

[guskant]

coi

Is there a short phrase that contains all the phonemes of Lojban? Such a phrase would be useful in showing possible pronunciations of each phoneme by reading it aloud in various ways.

mi'e guskant mu'o

[Daniel Brockman]

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/sofybakni

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[guskant]

I mean a phoneme version of phrase like "a quick brown fox jumps over
the lazy dog." This English phrase is for testing keyboard, but I need
such a phrase in Lojban for testing pronunciation.

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[Craig Daniel]

Yes, {.o'u mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati lo purdi} has this property.

It doesn't have all the phonemes in all possible environments, which
would be a bit trickier.

- mi'e .kreig.daniyl.

[Daniel Brockman]

You need {le purdi}, not {lo purdi}—there’s no {e} anywhere else. :-)

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On Thursday, January 26, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Craig Daniel wrote:

> Yes, {.o'u mu xagji sofybakni cu zvati lo purdi} has this property.
>
> It doesn't have all the phonemes in all possible environments, which
> would be a bit trickier.
>
> - mi'e .kreig.daniyl.
>

[Robin Lee Powell]

The sofybakni phrase is rather more thorough in Lojban than the
quick brown fox is in English; there are MANY MANY English phonemes
not represented there, like the "s" in "pleasure".

-Robin

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.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i danfu lu na go'i li'u .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni li'u

[Craig Daniel]

On Wed, Jan 25, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Daniel Brockman <dbro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You need {le purdi}, not {lo purdi}—there’s no {e} anywhere else. :-)

Curse my post-xorlonian habits!

[guskant]

Thanks, but I would like to obtain a phrase that includes all the
diphthongs and all the consonant clusters.

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[Robin Lee Powell]

The example English phrase you gave doesn't even come close.

And no, I don't think we have one of those. It would be very large.

-Robin

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[guskant]

Sorry, not "all the consonant clusters" but all the permissible pairs
of consonants excluding syllabic consonants. Consonant pairs may be
pronounced at once, or separately with a consonant buffer. lo tavla
may select one of the possible pronunciations, but lo se tavla should
catch the words with any possible pronunciations. That is the reason
why I would like to obtain such a phrase with all the phonemes with
all the diphthongs and permissible consonant pairs. Or, consonant
pairs in the phrase may be limited to the permissible pairs of initial
consonants for the purpose of testing pronunciation. Such a phrase
will be quite long, but how about a poem that satisfies the conditions
above?

[MorphemeAddict]

Sounds like a good project. I look forward to seeing what you come up with. 

stevo

[djandus]

I believe guskant meant to use the English phrase as an analogy, not a direct comparison. That is, the English phrase exemplifies all characters in the alphabet (and is thus used when teaching typing) in the same way he wants a Lojban phrase that exemplifies all phonemes (and would thus be useful when teaching pronunciation).

A worthy project, indeed. I'd forsee anything too long to be very overwhelming for the new lojbanist, though. I've found it far more useful to just have a few stock words/phrases that show off as many morphemes as possible but in a concise way. (It certainly is very helpful to have {coi} and {co'o} already showing off {c} {oi} and {'} right in the first lesson. I remember teaching {coi .djandus.} and already having explained {c} vs. {tc}, {j} vs. {dj}, the {,} {.} {'} group, and be well on my way to explaining the vowels.)

djandus

[Sid]

Would {ia}, {ie}, {io}... and such be considered separate phonemes? Or
would you be ok with having one of them only, interpreting it as a
sequence of /j/ and a vowel? Same with /u/ ~ /w/.

mi'e cntr

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[Pierre Abbat]

On Friday, January 27, 2012 00:44:29 Sid wrote:
> Would {ia}, {ie}, {io}... and such be considered separate phonemes? Or
> would you be ok with having one of them only, interpreting it as a
> sequence of /j/ and a vowel? Same with /u/ ~ /w/.

If the phrase doesn't have all the diphthongs, it should have both
<ia/ie/ii/io/iu> and <ai/ei/oi>. Also it should have <r> in enough contexts to
show the different allophones.

Pierre
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[la .lindar.]

I tell you what. Give me a list of words which demonstrate each permissible consonant cluster. I will record everything and do three takes for ones with R's to show the different variations.